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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Capture One Q&A => Topic started by: SrMi on October 28, 2019, 05:49:35 am

Title: Capture One 20?
Post by: SrMi on October 28, 2019, 05:49:35 am
Capture One 20 has been kind of announced (as a free upgrade if purchasing C1 now).
Does anyone know what will be added to C1 20 and when it will be available?
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: DP on October 28, 2019, 06:17:42 am
Capture One 20 has been kind of announced (as a free upgrade if purchasing C1 now).
Does anyone know what will be added to C1 20 and when it will be available?

you can freely sign as a beta tester and check yourself ... 20 clearly points to 2020
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: jeremyrh on October 28, 2019, 06:24:30 am
Will we have to pay for the upgrades to 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19 ??

My biggest question is around MacOS Catalina compatibility.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: DP on October 28, 2019, 06:28:54 am
Will we have to pay for the upgrades to 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19 ??

v20 will be the next version after v12, unless of course P1 will change the mind about the naming
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: jeremyrh on October 28, 2019, 06:51:20 am
v20 will be the next version after v12, unless of course P1 will change the mind about the naming
.. and the upgrade pricing policy :-)
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: fdisilvestro on October 28, 2019, 01:54:16 pm
My wild guess is that they were reluctant to name it version 13 due to the fact that many people have a superstition about it. Since next year is 2020, version 20 sounded good.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Dinarius on October 28, 2019, 02:57:49 pm
So, any idea whatís new about it?

Any must-have upgrades?

Thanks.

D.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: snowrs on October 28, 2019, 03:37:16 pm
Here are a couple of items on it which should answer some questions:

https://www.fujirumors.com/

https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/

bob snow
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: DP on October 28, 2019, 11:22:01 pm
So, any idea whatís new about it?

Any must-have upgrades?

Thanks.

D.

there is some NDA to agree - so why don't you read yourself by enrolling in beta - it is free to enroll for anybody with an account on their website, couple of clicks away
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: SrMi on October 29, 2019, 03:09:41 am
New in Capture One Pro 20:

removed by moderator as possible breach of NDA
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: SrMi on October 29, 2019, 04:51:10 am
there is some NDA to agree - so why don't you read yourself by enrolling in beta - it is free to enroll for anybody with an account on their website, couple of clicks away

The list of new features has been published by several websites.
No need for NDA.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on October 29, 2019, 04:56:54 am
The list of new features has been published by several websites.
No need for NDA.

I'm happy to accept that assurance. Feel free to re-post (I thought I could, but I was wrong).

Jeremy
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: SrMi on October 29, 2019, 05:02:00 am
New in Capture One Pro 20:

removed by moderator as possible breach of NDA

I got my information from:
https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/here-are-the-new-capture-one-pro-20-fatures-and-improvements/

I am not using C1 yet, nor have I signed any NDA.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: zobelaudio on October 29, 2019, 06:14:02 am
no info on all those links...
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: SrMi on October 29, 2019, 09:10:26 am
no info on all those links...

The post title is still there but the content has been truncated. It seems that it was a leak. Glad that the content of my post here was removed.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Remko on October 29, 2019, 01:40:08 pm
I'm happy to accept that assurance. Feel free to re-post (I thought I could, but I was wrong).

Jeremy

Hi Jeremy,

Even if some websites posted about the new features on CO V20, it still remains a severe breach of the NDA. I would re-consider accepting posts about new features of V20 as long as it is not officialy released by Phase One.  ;)

cheers,
Remko
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Rhossydd on October 29, 2019, 03:50:40 pm
Worth noting anyone upgrading right now will get the free upgrade to Co 20.
The link above gives a promo code of "OCT-AF-QUW" which gets you a further 10% off. Thanks to SrMi for the link :-)

Nice to get a discount on the upgrade and have it available easily.

Adobe could learn some lessons in keeping customers from Phase One.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: IanSeward on October 29, 2019, 03:54:24 pm
you can freely sign as a beta tester and check yourself ... 20 clearly points to 2020

If you have C1Pro V12 then you can get V20 for 20% off and there are coupon codes for a further 10%, making it around a 28% reduction. Offer lasts till Oct 31st.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: D Fuller on October 29, 2019, 04:59:43 pm
Y'know, it really bugs me that I own a Phase One back, and I own a Sony camera, but because I want to use the software with my Nikon cameras as well, I have to pay 25% more for a Capture One upgrade than a Sony or Fuji camera owner.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: kers on October 29, 2019, 06:55:11 pm
Y'know, it really bugs me that I own a Phase One back, and I own a Sony camera, but because I want to use the software with my Nikon cameras as well, I have to pay 25% more for a Capture One upgrade than a Sony or Fuji camera owner.
I would say that Phase-one back owners have spend enough to receive a lifetime free C1 at least till v100 ( comes probably after v20)
Phase is punishing you for buying a Nikon...
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: D Fuller on October 29, 2019, 09:15:35 pm
I would say that Phase-one back owners have spend enough to receive a lifetime free C1 at least till v100 ( comes probably after v20)
Phase is punishing you for buying a Nikon...
Well, if I only used it for my Phase back, it would be free, so thereís that. But the fact that it costs me more to use it with my Nikon than if my FF choice were Sony Still irks me.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: jeremyrh on October 30, 2019, 04:23:54 am
Worth noting anyone upgrading right now will get the free upgrade to Co 20.
The link above gives a promo code of "OCT-AF-QUW" which gets you a further 10% off. Thanks to SrMi for the link :-)

Nice to get a discount on the upgrade and have it available easily.

Yes, thanks from me too - just pre-ordered the upgrade :-)
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 30, 2019, 08:39:36 am
Having not long upgraded to v.12 (but outside of the date for a free upgrade to v20), I'm wondering what I'd be getting for my money.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on October 30, 2019, 10:19:55 am
Having not long upgraded to v.12 (but outside of the date for a free upgrade to v20), I'm wondering what I'd be getting for my money.

Same with me, although the pre-order Promo discount of 20% + an additional 10% is helpful. I might (reluctantly) fall for the temptation.

But it's still quite a bit of money for features (that I briefly saw mentioned) that are more of a cosmetic kind of improvement (not unimportant, but not crucial either).
Only 2 features that were (briefly) mentioned, HDR and Noise reduction, could be really new additions that triggered my attention, assuming they are more than an incremental tweak.

Cheers,
Bart

Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: myotis on October 30, 2019, 11:30:01 am
But the fact that it costs me more to use it with my Nikon than if my FF choice were Sony Still irks me.

I guess that, unlike Sony and Fuji,  Nikon don't feel the need to do a deal with Phase One. They are presumbly already paying a licence fee to DXO for the control point technology in the Nikon processing software.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: D Fuller on October 30, 2019, 01:59:04 pm
I'm sure that's the case. And I'll buy the upgrade. But I still think that owning a Phase One back outght to, at a minimum, get me the full pro version of the software for the price of the sweetheart deals.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: myotis on October 30, 2019, 04:58:40 pm
I'm sure that's the case. And I'll buy the upgrade. But I still think that owning a Phase One back outght to, at a minimum, get me the full pro version of the software for the price of the sweetheart deals.

Actually, given the price of Phase One backs,  I can't really see why they don't just come with a full pro version of c1.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: gazwas on October 30, 2019, 06:52:09 pm
How are existing users upgrading?

I log into my account and it says none of my licences can be upgraded. I get the option to get 20% discount buying new C1 V12 licence and free upgrade to V20 but not to upgrade my current V12 licence?
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: kimballistic on October 30, 2019, 08:12:39 pm
For what it's worth, the list of new features and improvements are still in Google's search cache of that URL as of 5pm PST 10/30/2019.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: DP on October 30, 2019, 10:15:03 pm
it still remains a severe breach of the NDA.
please... given the ease how absolutely anybody can enroll in their "beta" it is not "severe", but rather pathetic
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: jeremyrh on October 31, 2019, 02:22:57 am
How are existing users upgrading?

I log into my account and it says none of my licences can be upgraded. I get the option to get 20% discount buying new C1 V12 licence and free upgrade to V20 but not to upgrade my current V12 licence?

I got a link to the upgrade offer in my email.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: gazwas on October 31, 2019, 06:05:29 am
I got a link to the upgrade offer in my email.
Many thanks, I will contact P1 as not had any email from them.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Remko on October 31, 2019, 08:52:57 am
Many thanks, I will contact P1 as not had any email from them.

I did the same and received an e-mail from them with the proper link.

You might want to do that today as you then can still get a extra 10% off. I used this promo code: OCT-AF-5OE. The one listed in this thread here on LuLa was not recognized anymore. Do not know why.

I ran into an issue yesterday when providing my credit card details. Fast Spring, the intermediair taking care of the payment, refused my card. I contacted my bank today and they informed me all was fine with my card and that it happened more often that Fast Spring refuses a payment when they think the selling company is suspect.

My bank contacted Fast Spring for me and all was cleared. After half an hour I could place my order. Fast Spring did not want to inform my bank what the reason for the refusal of my card was, but it had nothing to do with me or my card.

I informed PO about this.

cheers,
Remko
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: gazwas on October 31, 2019, 04:40:46 pm
I did the same and received an e-mail from them with the proper link.

You might want to do that today as you then can still get a extra 10% off. I used this promo code: OCT-AF-5OE. The one listed in this thread here on LuLa was not recognized anymore. Do not know why.

I ran into an issue yesterday when providing my credit card details. Fast Spring, the intermediair taking care of the payment, refused my card. I contacted my bank today and they informed me all was fine with my card and that it happened more often that Fast Spring refuses a payment when they think the selling company is suspect.

My bank contacted Fast Spring for me and all was cleared. After half an hour I could place my order. Fast Spring did not want to inform my bank what the reason for the refusal of my card was, but it had nothing to do with me or my card.

I informed PO about this.

cheers,
Remko

Hi Remko

Many thanks for the heads up and working code. Contacted P1 and I too was given the correct link and have just placed my pre-order.

Itís all a bit strange pre-ordering like this - are P1 in need if the money to finish the coding?  ;)  ;D

But like many long term users, I fell for it and just hope there are a few more features coming over those in the latest Beta.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on October 31, 2019, 11:41:21 pm
Itís nice that they offer a discount for a preorder but it would make a little more sense if they said what features you could expect for your money. Not much point getting a 20% discount for something you donít care for and as it stands how would you know?
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Rhossydd on November 01, 2019, 02:52:52 am
It's certainly a new policy.
Great for those of us that used to skip the annual upgrade and wait a year to get a two version skip for the price of one, an option that changed last year. This year will be a three version jump for the price of two for me, but without having to gamble on when to buy the upgrade.

However even at three steps up it's not looking the most compelling upgrade from the leaks so far.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: TomRobbins on November 01, 2019, 05:51:09 am
It's certainly a new policy.
Great for those of us that used to skip the annual upgrade and wait a year to get a two version skip for the price of one, an option that changed last year. This year will be a three version jump for the price of two for me, but without having to gamble on when to buy the upgrade.

However even at three steps up it's not looking the most compelling upgrade from the leaks so far.

Plenty of useful points of view presented in this post, but Rhossydd just wrapped up the situation for me.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on November 01, 2019, 06:19:39 am
It's certainly a new policy.
Great for those of us that used to skip the annual upgrade and wait a year to get a two version skip for the price of one, an option that changed last year. This year will be a three version jump for the price of two for me, but without having to gamble on when to buy the upgrade.

However even at three steps up it's not looking the most compelling upgrade from the leaks so far.

I agree. However, the lack of info on what new features are being purchased suggests that there are not many. Hence the compensation with a 20% discount for those who take a leap of (long term) faith.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: gazwas on November 01, 2019, 08:04:15 am
The features added at version 12 were well worth the upgrade over earlier versions so if youíve not upgraded say since version 10, youíll be getting a much better piece of software and no leap of faith needed. :)
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on November 01, 2019, 08:07:13 am
The features added at version 12 were well worth the upgrade over earlier versions so if youíve not upgrades since version 10 youíll be getting a much better piece of software and no leap of faith needed.

indeed, but that was already the case for V12. Skipping versions to V20 becomes much easier with the given discount. Almost a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Remko on November 02, 2019, 05:56:33 am
Hi Remko

Many thanks for the heads up and working code. Contacted P1 and I too was given the correct link and have just placed my pre-order.

Itís all a bit strange pre-ordering like this - are P1 in need if the money to finish the coding?  ;)  ;D

But like many long term users, I fell for it and just hope there are a few more features coming over those in the latest Beta.

Glad it worked out for you!

cheers,
Remko
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: BernardLanguillier on November 02, 2019, 06:58:56 pm
indeed, but that was already the case for V12. Skipping versions to V20 becomes much easier with the given discount. Almost a no-brainer.

How is v20 not a v12.5 or v13 with a new name?

C1 Pro is by far my preferred raw converter, but I donít see any reason to upgrade without a clear list of improved features.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on November 02, 2019, 08:29:57 pm
How is v20 not a v12.5 or v13 with a new name?

As I see it, it is.

As I said earlier, there do not seem to be many groundbreaking new features. However, for those who skipped versions, even the V12 upgrade would have justified upgrading, so V20 will be even (a bit) better.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: jeremyrh on November 03, 2019, 04:13:26 am
How is v20 not a v12.5 or v13 with a new name?

C1 Pro is by far my preferred raw converter, but I donít see any reason to upgrade without a clear list of improved features.

I agree with that - it's a strange "offer" to make - to buy an upgrade "blind".  Of course a beta tester is not blind, but surely there aren't so many that they are worth targeting in a discount programme?
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Rhossydd on November 03, 2019, 04:15:25 am
How is v20 not a v12.5 or v13 with a new name?
Well it is, but don't get hung up on pedantic numbering. Just accept that some folk find 13 an unlucky number and choose to avoid it. Petty ? probably, but it really doesn't matter at all.

Quote
I donít see any reason to upgrade without a clear list of improved features.
If you've bought previous upgrades take the discount and trust/expect a similar upgrade experience to past ones.  In this case the rumoured HDR support might be considered a 'must have' addition and worth the upgrade alone.

It's rare that the mature programs like CO, PS, LR etc have ground breaking upgrades now, just minor enhancements and support for new cameras and OS changes.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on November 03, 2019, 04:32:27 am
Well it is, but don't get hung up on pedantic numbering. Just accept that some folk find 13 an unlucky number and choose to avoid it. Petty ? probably, but it really doesn't matter at all.
If you've bought previous upgrades take the discount and trust/expect a similar upgrade experience to past ones.  In this case the rumoured HDR support might be considered a 'must have' addition and worth the upgrade alone.

It's rare that the mature programs like CO, PS, LR etc have ground breaking upgrades now, just minor enhancements and support for new cameras and OS changes.

Yes, HDR was briefly mentioned, and caught my eye. Don't know if it's HDRI (merging multiple exposures to improve SNR and postprocessing robustness) or 'just' Tonemapping. We'll find out before long.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: D Fuller on November 03, 2019, 01:11:42 pm
I agree with that - it's a strange "offer" to make - to buy an upgrade "blind".  Of course a beta tester is not blind, but surely there aren't so many that they are worth targeting in a discount programme?

I agree with you here. My rationale for upgrading is tht all the incremental upgrades are included for the year. It kind of works like the Adobe subscription, but it's less expensive, and it doesn't dissappear if I want to stop paying.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on November 03, 2019, 01:25:48 pm
I will most likely buy when itís released. I admire the product. I find it almost therapeutic to work with.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: D Fuller on November 04, 2019, 09:55:04 am
I will most likely buy when itís released. I admire the product. I find it almost therapeutic to work with.

LOL! Well, as therapy, it's dirt cheap!
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: earlybird on November 04, 2019, 10:41:58 am
Hi,
 Without any awareness of an imminent upgrade, I just installed a v12 demo.

 With all the talk of v20 discounts etc. I am wondering what the most cost effective way to start as a new Capture One user is.

 Thank you.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: UnfamiliarLight on November 04, 2019, 10:58:38 am
As a new user, getting v12 now with the discount is probably the best way to get in. Once V20 is released new users will likely be back to full price.
I think :-) I have no special knowledge of what Phase One might do - the above is just based on their past release activity.
In the past customers who purchased the current version about a month before a new release got upgraded at no extra charge. This lead to some frustration because no one knew when the new release would be and therefore did not know if they would qualify for the free upgrade. This new offer seems to be designed to address that - there is now clarity for those that purchase v12 as to who will get the free upgrade to v20 when it comes out.
I do not think that this has any bearing on current v12 (or earlier) users - I see no reason why there will not be an upgrade price offered to us when that happens as has been done in the past.
Again no special knowledge just guessing what they are up to.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on November 04, 2019, 01:46:17 pm
Hi,
 Without any awareness of an imminent upgrade, I just installed a v12 demo.

 With all the talk of v20 discounts etc. I am wondering what the most cost effective way to start as a new Capture One user is.

The initial purchase price is quite an investment but upgrades are more manageable. There is usually a 10% coupon rebate available from "C1 Ambassadors". Don't know if that will happen this time around, but do search for 'Coupons'.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: gazwas on November 04, 2019, 01:59:16 pm
Yes, HDR was briefly mentioned, and caught my eye. Don't know if it's HDRI (merging multiple exposures to improve SNR and postprocessing robustness) or 'just' Tonemapping. We'll find out before long.

Negative sharpness and multiple image merging HDR are the killer features seriously missing from C1 and no idea why it is taking Phase One so long to implement considering LR has had these options for a good few years.

I just know if Phase implemented these features theyíd do an amazing job. Was really hoping this would be the year - will have to see.....
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Doug Peterson on November 04, 2019, 05:34:10 pm
Hi,
 Without any awareness of an imminent upgrade, I just installed a v12 demo.

 With all the talk of v20 discounts etc. I am wondering what the most cost effective way to start as a new Capture One user is.

 Thank you.

https://www.dtcommercialphoto.com/25-off-capture-one-free-upgrade-and-a-25-gift-card/
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: earlybird on November 04, 2019, 07:31:04 pm
Thank you!
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: budjames on November 05, 2019, 05:22:54 am
I've been running beta versions of Capture One Pro as they became available since v11.

If you are curious, enroll in the C1P 20 beta and check it out. You will be pleasantly surprised.

Regards,
Bud James

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto.
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: IanSeward on November 06, 2019, 09:14:34 am
Negative sharpness and multiple image merging HDR are the killer features seriously missing from C1 and no idea why it is taking Phase One so long to implement considering LR has had these options for a good few years.

I just know if Phase implemented these features theyíd do an amazing job. Was really hoping this would be the year - will have to see.....

If you have Photomatix they are now developing a plugin for C1Pro.  You can download Beta 2 if you want to have a look.

https://www.hdrsoft.com/download/beta/c1-plugin.php

Ian
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: indusphoto on November 08, 2019, 01:59:34 am
I am trying to buy an upgrade but the coupons so far mentioned in this post, along with the ambassador coupons from image alchemist and others, dont work.

Anyone know of a currently active code?
Title: Re: Capture One 20?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on November 08, 2019, 04:12:44 am
I am trying to buy an upgrade but the coupons so far mentioned in this post, along with the ambassador coupons from image alchemist and others, dont work.

Anyone know of a currently active code?

It looks like (most/all?) Coupon codes that I knew of for the current version of Capture One have expired by now.
AFAIK, the pre-release discount was only valid until October 31st.

Maybe new coupons will appear at the time of the official release of version 20?
Release will probably be some time towards the end of this month, looking at the release dates of earlier versions.

If anybody comes across new discounts, it would be appreciated if that info is shared here.

Cheers,
Bart