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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Vieri Bottazzini on August 04, 2019, 12:00:18 pm
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Ladies and gentlemen,
for a little Sunday read, I just posted my first impression review of the Hasselblad X1D II. Without revealing too much, I think the camera is improved on pretty much all counts :) Read on to find out all about the changes and improvements brought by this new iteration of the great little X1D:
https://www.vieribottazzini.com/2019/08/a-first-impression-hasselblad-x1d-ii-review.html (https://www.vieribottazzini.com/2019/08/a-first-impression-hasselblad-x1d-ii-review.html)
Looking forward to your thoughts and comments, best regards
Vieri
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Ladies and gentlemen,
for a little Sunday read, I just posted my first impression review of the Hasselblad X1D II. Without revealing too much, I think the camera is improved on pretty much all counts :) Read on to find out all about the changes and improvements brought by this new iteration of the great little X1D:
https://www.vieribottazzini.com/2019/08/a-first-impression-hasselblad-x1d-ii-review.html (https://www.vieribottazzini.com/2019/08/a-first-impression-hasselblad-x1d-ii-review.html)
Looking forward to your thoughts and comments, best regards
Vieri
How long is the shutter lag now, from shutter press to exposure?
Edmund
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How long is the shutter lag now, from shutter press to exposure?
Edmund
Shutter lag is OK with X1D mark I, not much different from GFX 50S, it seems, and quite a bit worse than Z 7 and similar mirrorless cameras. It is quite hard to measure.
Are you rather asking about blackout (which is much longer with mark I and hopefully shortened with mark II)?
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Shutter lag is OK with X1D mark I, not much different from GFX 50S, it seems, and quite a bit worse than Z 7 and similar mirrorless cameras. It is quite hard to measure.
Are you rather asking about blackout (which is much longer with mark I and hopefully shortened with mark II)?
I am asking about the time from shutter button press to exposure. On the X1D that is the time to the *second* lens click. I know what this lag is like -ok but not great- on the X1D and was hoping it had got shortened on the X1D Mark II.
Edmund
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I am asking about the time from shutter button press to exposure. On the X1D that is the time to the *second* lens click. I know what this lag is like -ok but not great- on the X1D and was hoping it had got shortened on the X1D Mark II.
Edmund
Sorry for thinking that you confused the blackout with shutter lag, as the former is quite noticeable, while the later is, IMO, fine for an MF camera.
The lag on X1D mark I appears to be 160ms when prefocused (source: Jared Wilson, DPR forum).
For comparison (source: imaging-resource.com), all number when prefocused:
- GFX 50S: 108ms
- Sony A9: 165ms EFCS off, 20ms with EFCS on.
- Z 7: 65ms EFCS off, 59ms with EFCS on.
- D5: 39ms
Obviously, if short shutter lag is required, I would not rely on my MF gear.
Would also like to see if X1DII has improved on the shutter lag, but doubt they will trump GFX cameras.
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I haven't found shutter lag to be an issue on the Mk1 either. Especially if you are doing work on a camera stand and use the MQ mode then it is negligible.
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About shutter lag, as I mention in all my reviews I am always writing under the point of view of a fine art landscape photographer, and as such, working on a tripod and with no "action" to catch, a shutter lag around 150 ms is perfectly fine. Even if it was slightly longer, that would be of absolutely no consequence to me. More, I don't have the instruments to measure it properly and reliably, and therefore don't want to add unreliable data to a conversation. I am sure there will be more "technical" reviewers than me offering that information when they'll get the camera in their hands. Finally, leaf shutter lenses always "take longer" to take a shot than focal plane shutter cameras, that's just the nature of the beast.
Hope this helps, best regards
Vieri
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About shutter lag, as I mention in all my reviews I am always writing under the point of view of a fine art landscape photographer, and as such, working on a tripod and with no "action" to catch, a shutter lag around 150 ms is perfectly fine. Even if it was slightly longer, that would be of absolutely no consequence to me. More, I don't have the instruments to measure it properly and reliably, and therefore don't want to add unreliable data to a conversation. I am sure there will be more "technical" reviewers than me offering that information when they'll get the camera in their hands. Finally, leaf shutter lenses always "take longer" to take a shot than focal plane shutter cameras, that's just the nature of the beast.
Hope this helps, best regards
Vieri
Maybe someone else knows how the shutter lag has evolved on the Mark II. I tried a Mark I, and found it pretty sluggish (the second click is the exposure).
The Hasselblad H system has for many years been used with great success by many fashion,wedding and social event photographers and demonstrates that a leaf shutter system can have perfectly acceptable shutter lag for general use, outside sports. It is to be expected that fashion and event users who shoot groups now enquire whether Hassy's new product can be used in the same way. Leaf shutters can be very helpful when using flash.
Edmund
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Maybe someone else knows how the shutter lag has evolved on the Mark II. I tried a Mark I, and found it pretty sluggish (the second click is the exposure).
The Hasselblad H system has for many years been used with great success by many fashion,wedding and social event photographers and demonstrates that a leaf shutter system can have perfectly acceptable shutter lag for general use, outside sports. It is to be expected that fashion and event users who shoot groups now enquire whether Hassy's new product can be used in the same way. Leaf shutters can be very helpful when using flash.
Edmund
Edmund,
I never said that leaf shutter system can't "have perfectly acceptable shutter lag for general use", I just said that they are always less responsive that focal plane shutters, which is undeniable. I also never said that it's not "expected that fashion and event users who shoot groups now enquire whether Hassy's new product can be used in the same way", so I really don't understand why you are getting all confrontational about this.
I hope you'll find someone able to answer your questions. Best regards,
Vieri
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Maybe someone else knows how the shutter lag has evolved on the Mark II. I tried a Mark I, and found it pretty sluggish (the second click is the exposure).
The Hasselblad H system has for many years been used with great success by many fashion,wedding and social event photographers and demonstrates that a leaf shutter system can have perfectly acceptable shutter lag for general use, outside sports. It is to be expected that fashion and event users who shoot groups now enquire whether Hassy's new product can be used in the same way. Leaf shutters can be very helpful when using flash.
Edmund
Note that with the Hasseblad H system, users often add a delay of 150 to 250ms in order to mitigate mirror slap.
I have been using X1D for a while and never found the shutter lag an issue.
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UPDATE AUG 20, 2019. There is a workaround for the disappearing of the long exposure counter, which was the only serious thing I didn't like in the update and a thing I really stressed in my review, so to be fair to Hasselblad I though it correct to share it.
During a long exposure, when the screen goes off, to wake it up again just wave your hand in front of the EVF’s proximity sensor, and the counter will pop up again (for three more seconds only, alas) without having to touch either the shutter release button, or the camera in general.
Not only this is a viable workaround for now, but it is a solution that might make sense as an alternative to having the counter always visible as a battery saving option, and I most definitely would welcome to have it as a menu option if and when Hasselblad will bring the counters visibility back.
I updated my review with this and other news: https://www.vieribottazzini.com/2019/08/a-first-impression-hasselblad-x1d-ii-review.html (https://www.vieribottazzini.com/2019/08/a-first-impression-hasselblad-x1d-ii-review.html)
Best regards,
Vieri