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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: rastas on May 24, 2019, 01:30:19 pm
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Just doing my once per 6 month check in to see if anyone knows anything about fuji tilt shift lenses coming for the gfx? Supposedly they are building three of them....
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Just doing my once per 6 month check in to see if anyone knows anything about fuji tilt shift lenses coming for the gfx? Supposedly they are building three of them....
There are rumors to the effect that we're going to get a new lens roadmap in the next week or so...
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roadmap in next week or so? wow, haven't heard that. thanks!
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There are rumors to the effect that we're going to get a new lens roadmap in the next week or so...
It would indeed make sense for Fuji to let people first digest the GFX100 before dropping another major announcement about lenses.
Cheers,
Bernard
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It would indeed make sense for Fuji to let people first digest the GFX100 before dropping another major announcement about lenses.
The offical announcement was yesterday, but specs and photos have been around for months. It's actually old news. New tilt/shift lenses would be an exciting announcement.
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It would indeed make sense for Fuji to let people first digest the GFX100 before dropping another major announcement about lenses.
Cheers,
Bernard
Tilt/Shift lenses were a prominent request from the audience and the panel on their reveal video a few months back.
It's kind of surprising the paucity of tilt/shift lenses in general in our industry. I suppose they must be more expensive to design and manufacture and for a smaller market, but when your cameras cost $5k and $10k, perhaps you have some more leeway to price these lenses where they need to be to make them worth your while to create. I hope Fuji will indeed have these as options.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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The offical announcement was yesterday, but specs and photos have been around for months. It's actually old news. New tilt/shift lenses would be an exciting announcement.
Are you considering purchasing a GFX100?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Are you considering purchasing a GFX100?
No, I am considering purchasing a GFX50. I don't need 100MP. However, I want to see what Sony announces later in the year. I am in no hurry.
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I found this informative and filled with gems.
https://youtu.be/9XVbt-eKwmU
My read of the response is that the T/S is being taken seriously but a number of other lenses have higher priority. But this is just my opinion. :).
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Tilt shift lenses would make the Fuji very appealing to architectural photographers, perhaps a 21-23mm, 32 mm and maybe a 45mm. I also think they should offer the ability to shoot at half and quarter resolution. Most photographers who require 100MP for some projects would also have requirements for a lot less on many occasions.
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For me an other photographers who are searching for possibilities to adapt something around 35mm or 30 mm shift lenses (i was thinking and also testing about any combo 3rd party lens/gfx) or any solution better the canon 24 mm tse lens would be a gamechanger.
I have an gfx but i do use de sony A7r... exactly because it is easier to work with the tse Canon lenses.
I would like shift to fuji gfx with all my workflow because I like the Fuji cam. If only there would be more possibilities with shift lenses in the quality of other gf lenses... I really would pay the price. I would like to hear any news about this since i have to decide between A7RIV and some new lenses for this bodyor keeping the Fuji GFX System what I do like more but still missing better shift wide angle possibilities.
It is just to much money fixed in new equipment now, since i bought two systems: Fuji GFX and Sony A7RIII a few months ago.
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For me an other photographers who are searching for possibilities to adapt something around 35mm or 30 mm shift lenses (i was thinking and also testing about any combo 3rd party lens/gfx) or any solution better the canon 24 mm tse lens would be a gamechanger.
I have an gfx but i do use de sony A7r... exactly because it is easier to work with the tse Canon lenses.
I would like shift to fuji gfx with all my workflow because I like the Fuji cam. If only there would be more possibilities with shift lenses in the quality of other gf lenses... I really would pay the price. I would like to hear any news about this since i have to decide between A7RIV and some new lenses for this bodyor keeping the Fuji GFX System what I do like more but still missing better shift wide angle possibilities.
It is just to much money fixed in new equipment now, since i bought two systems: Fuji GFX and Sony A7RIII a few months ago.
There is the PC-Distagon 35mm shift lens (10mm shift, no tilt). It was the best 35mm format shift lens. And still is, because no company makes one any more.
It is very very good in the extreme corners when shifted. Definitely better than the TS-E 24mm L II. The inner parts of the image circle are good, but not as good as the TS-E 24mm L II. It works on the GFX cameras, of course with reduced shift capabilities. I have mine on sale in case some one is interested. Samples can be found in this thread: https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=93273.msg759804#msg759804
But the lens is not on the level of the Fuji GF lenses. Nor is the TS-E 24mm L II.
So yes: Fuji, we really need a shift lens in the 30 to 35mm range.
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Has anyone tried the new-ish Canon 50 TS-E 2.8 on the Fuji GFX? It would have a 40mm equivalent focal length to FF. The published MTF suggests excellent performance and there should be a large image circle for good movements.
This is a good length for vignette style interiors where a good bit of shift is needed and would be a good length for general and landscape use.
With this one available, and the TS-E 24mm II, all I would need from Fuji would be a shift lens in the 30-35 range, preferably around 32/24mm equivalent and that would cover most landscape , interiors and architecture for me.
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Has anyone tried the new-ish Canon 50 TS-E 2.8 on the Fuji GFX? It would have a 40mm equivalent focal length to FF. The published MTF suggests excellent performance and there should be a large image circle for good movements.
This is a good length for vignette style interiors where a good bit of shift is needed and would be a good length for general and landscape use.
With this one available, and the TS-E 24mm II, all I would need from Fuji would be a shift lens in the 30-35 range, preferably around 32/24mm equivalent and that would cover most landscape , interiors and architecture for me.
The TS-E 50mm L and TS-E 90mm L are both excellent on the GFX 50 and the GFX 100. They beat the TS-E 24mm L II in every aspect. They have such large image circles with such an excellent quality - as if they would have been made for the GFX sensor. Even at full shift, both in landscape and portrait orientation they are tack sharp across the frame, with minor vignetting that can be corrected without problems. Only with full diagonal shift there is hard vignetting because you hit the edge of the image circle of those lenses and / or from the adapter.
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The TS-E 50mm L and TS-E 90mm L are both excellent on the GFX 50 and the GFX 100. They beat the TS-E 24mm L II in every aspect. They have such large image circles with such an excellent quality - as if they would have been made for the GFX sensor. Even at full shift, both in landscape and portrait orientation they are tack sharp across the frame, with minor vignetting that can be corrected without problems. Only with full diagonal shift there is hard vignetting because you hit the edge of the image circle of those lenses and / or from the adapter.
Great to hear that these are good even to 100Mp.
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What adapter for the Canon TS-E to GFX 50 is working well for you?
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Ive been using the kipon adapter with the canon TSE 24 and 50. the 32-64, while not a tilt shift is working great when large amounts of shift isn't needed.
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Ive been using the kipon adapter with the canon TSE 24 and 50. the 32-64, while not a tilt shift is working great when large amounts of shift isn't needed.
This is exactly the kit I'm thinking of purchasing.
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Which Kipon GFX-EOS Adapter are you using? The original adapter was around $350 and required that the aperture be adjusted with a separate control and is difficult to use in the field because it is difficult to see the aperture number. The newer adapter is more expensive and allows the camera to control the aperture and is much easier to use in the field. I was not successful in using the newer adapter with the 50mm TSE Lens but it worked well with the 24mm-II TSE Lens. I switched to the Techart Adapter for the 50mm Lens.
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The TS-E 50mm L and TS-E 90mm L are both excellent on the GFX 50 and the GFX 100. They beat the TS-E 24mm L II in every aspect. They have such large image circles with such an excellent quality - as if they would have been made for the GFX sensor. Even at full shift, both in landscape and portrait orientation they are tack sharp across the frame, with minor vignetting that can be corrected without problems. Only with full diagonal shift there is hard vignetting because you hit the edge of the image circle of those lenses and / or from the adapter.
Marc, with the TS-E 50, is it possible to place the tilt in any plane, ie: not have to use click stops at 90degree points?
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Marc, with the TS-E 50, is it possible to place the tilt in any plane, ie: not have to use click stops at 90degree points?
All modern Canon TS-Es can be rotated to place the tilt in any plane you like. But they additionally have click stops every 30°. The mechanics is the same with all of them (17mm L, 24mm L II, 50mm L, 90mm L).
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All modern Canon TS-Es can be rotated to place the tilt in any plane you like. But they additionally have click stops every 30°. The mechanics is the same with all of them (17mm L, 24mm L II, 50mm L, 90mm L).
Thanks, I've been having some mental fog recently so while I might have figured that out myself in better times I needed a bit of a nudge.
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Which Kipon GFX-EOS Adapter are you using? The original adapter was around $350 and required that the aperture be adjusted with a separate control and is difficult to use in the field because it is difficult to see the aperture number. The newer adapter is more expensive and allows the camera to control the aperture and is much easier to use in the field. I was not successful in using the newer adapter with the 50mm TSE Lens but it worked well with the 24mm-II TSE Lens. I switched to the Techart Adapter for the 50mm Lens.
What made the 50 incompatible with the Kipon? Does it work ok with shifting? I ordered the Kipon earlier but now wonder if I should get the Techart instead.
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The new style Kipon GFX-EOS Adapter uses the GFX Aperture control for adjustment of the aperture and does not require a separate battery as did the original Kipon Adapter. The first Kipon Adapter would control the aperture on all three Canon TS-E Lenses but the new adapter could not control the aperture of the 50mm TSE Lens. It was fine with the 17mm and 24mm-II Lenses. Kipon said it was a firmware issue that would be solved later. The Techart works fine with all three lenses and imagine Kipon will update his firmware shortly.
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The new style Kipon GFX-EOS Adapter uses the GFX Aperture control for adjustment of the aperture and does not require a separate battery as did the original Kipon Adapter. The first Kipon Adapter would control the aperture on all three Canon TS-E Lenses but the new adapter could not control the aperture of the 50mm TSE Lens. It was fine with the 17mm and 24mm-II Lenses. Kipon said it was a firmware issue that would be solved later. The Techart works fine with all three lenses and imagine Kipon will update his firmware shortly.
Ah thanks, it sounds like that will all work out in the near future.
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Since the Canon 50mmn TS-E Lens offers great coverage on the GFX Cameras I wonder if Fuji would consider filling the gap between 24mm and 50mm with a new Fuji 35mm T/S Lens. As a landscape photographer, I find the 50mm to be very useful. What is the experience of the 90mm TS-E on the GFX? Was the 90mm TS-E Lens ever upgraded to Ver. II?
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The 90mm L T/S-E has been released in 2018.
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It is my understanding that the Nikon PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED lens still does NOT have a "working" adapter.
Is that still valid, thus leaving us with Canon as the only point, shift, Tilt and shoot?
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It is my understanding that the Nikon PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED lens still does NOT have a "working" adapter.
Is that still valid, thus leaving us with Canon as the only point, shift, Tilt and shoot?
If you're willing to carry along a Nikon FF DSLR to set the aperture, you can use the 19 T/S f/4E on a dumb adapter.
Jim
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If you're willing to carry along a Nikon FF DSLR to set the aperture, you can use the 19 T/S f/4E on a dumb adapter.
Jim
My Sherpa is 5' 1" tall and weight is about 105, Chinese - I don't want to drive her away!!
I'm happy that she'll carry a small lens pouch for me and my water bottle!
LOL!
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It is my understanding that the Nikon PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED lens still does NOT have a "working" adapter.
Is that still valid, thus leaving us with Canon as the only point, shift, Tilt and shoot?
The upcoming Steelsring smart adapter Nikon F to Fuji GFX hopefully will change the game !
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Any release date or prototypes you have seen?
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Any release date or prototypes you have seen?
No, unfortunately not. It reads "internal testing..available August or September"
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It is my understanding that the Nikon PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED lens still does NOT have a "working" adapter.
Is that still valid, thus leaving us with Canon as the only point, shift, Tilt and shoot?
If you can keep the aperture wide open on the 19 you can use the Fotodiox dumb adapter I believe as it has its own aperture ring. I’m getting mine today but I think it’s the same as the other Fotodiox adapter I have with the same feature for e-mount. I used it with Nikon lenses on my Sony until an AF adapter became available.
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It is my understanding that the Nikon PC NIKKOR 19mm f/4E ED lens still does NOT have a "working" adapter.
Is that still valid, thus leaving us with Canon as the only point, shift, Tilt and shoot?
I can confirm that the Fotodiox adapter for GFX->Nikon works well with Nikon lenses so long as you don't care about not receiving exif data. The internal aperture control works with a lens that cannot stop down.
Here's a short video with my G series 58 f1.4 lens. That is just for showing how the adapter works as this lens really needs AF (ideally eye-AF) to be useful and it vignettes on the GFX. I currently use it on Sony with the Commlite adapter but I hope Steelsring eventually get the Nikon AF adapter released.
I will rent the Nikon 19 PC-E when I find some time and try it out.
https://vimeo.com/foliobook/review/358325226/2f8aa8d176
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I can confirm that the Fotodiox adapter for GFX->Nikon works well with Nikon lenses so long as you don't care about not receiving exif data. The internal aperture control works with a lens that cannot stop down.
Here's a short video with my G series 58 f1.4 lens. That is just for showing how the adapter works as this lens really needs AF (ideally eye-AF) to be useful and it vignettes on the GFX. I currently use it on Sony with the Commlite adapter but I hope Steelsring eventually get the Nikon AF adapter released.
I will rent the Nikon 19 PC-E when I find some time and try it out.
https://vimeo.com/foliobook/review/358325226/2f8aa8d176
LINK IS DEAD - HAVE ONE THAT WORKS?? I'D LIKE TO SEE.
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Try this Vimeo link (https://vimeo.com/358325226?ref=em-share)
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Try this Vimeo link (https://vimeo.com/358325226?ref=em-share)
Got it! Thanks
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Hey Guys,
I am using a Pentax D FA 35/3,5 or any old Pentax 645 Lens with the Fotodiox PT645-GFX T/S adaptor.
Works a charm on both GFX50 and GFX100 and is not too dear.
Needs a lens with manual Fstops though.
cheers
Stephan
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Hi,
i've read this post : "The newer adapter is more expensive and allows the camera to control the aperture and is much easier to use in the field. I was not successful in using the newer adapter with the 50mm TSE Lens but it worked well with the 24mm-II TSE Lens. "
then i tried to contact Kipon about it... no answer... that's 2019...
Do you know if they fix it via firmware ?
They post a new firmware... but no information at all...
https://www.kipon.com/en/articledetail.asp?id=142 (https://www.kipon.com/en/articledetail.asp?id=142)
Best regards from France !
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Hi,
i've read this post : "The newer adapter is more expensive and allows the camera to control the aperture and is much easier to use in the field. I was not successful in using the newer adapter with the 50mm TSE Lens but it worked well with the 24mm-II TSE Lens. "
then i tried to contact Kipon about it... no answer... that's 2019...
Do you know if they fix it via firmware ?
They post a new firmware... but no information at all...
https://www.kipon.com/en/articledetail.asp?id=142 (https://www.kipon.com/en/articledetail.asp?id=142)
Best regards from France !
The Kipon works with the TS-E 50mm. A friend of mine works with this combination and I have seens the results which are fine.
I use the Fotodiox myself. Advantage of the Fotodiox: it is flocked inside to prevent internal reflections (the Kipon is not). That is relevant when you use TS-Es (I tested that).
But the Fotodiox has a small firmware problem: it embeds some lens profile that results in (very minor) chromatic aberrations in the image corners when raws are developed with Lightroom or ACR. Can not be switched of. Capture one seems to be able to switch off embedded profiles (at least I heard that, did not try that myself).
There are workarounds for that problem if you want to use LR / ACR: convert to dng via Iridient X-Transformer or use DNG Cleaner.
Fotodiox did not react to my request for a firmware update to solve this problem yet (for several months). It seems that all those companys are not good at caring for customers.
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It seems that all those companys are not good at caring for customers.
stellrings seems awfull
no answer from kipon ( and the worst website on earth )
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thanks for your answer !
flocking is really important, i used to have a tilt and shift adapter that was really well built, but so much flare due to bad internal reflexion...
i don't trust Fotodiox... really bad QC !
and i just use Apple computers till 1995... "AT This time only PC will work with this firmware, we are actively working to try to fix this for MAC OS ".
Maybe i will go with the kipon and ad flocking myself !
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stellrings seems awfull
no answer from kipon ( and the worst website on earth )
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thanks for your answer !
flocking is really important, i used to have a tilt and shift adapter that was really well built, but so much flare due to bad internal reflexion...
i don't trust Fotodiox... really bad QC !
and i just use Apple computers till 1995... "AT This time only PC will work with this firmware, we are actively working to try to fix this for MAC OS ".
Maybe i will go with the kipon and ad flocking myself !
I had some flare issues with both the Kipon GFX->Contax (returned) and GFX ->Hassleblad V shift adapters, this I resolved by adding a Lee compendium hood, but additional flocking would definitely be a good idea.