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Equipment & Techniques => Mirrorless Cameras => Topic started by: Michael Erlewine on May 05, 2019, 03:57:48 am

Title: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on May 05, 2019, 03:57:48 am
Although I have a lot of lenses, the little Nikkor “O,” known as the “CRT Nikkor” seems to be a gift that keeps on giving. I have used it for years to create photos that accent my particular style of photography, not sure how to describe it. I like stacked images that have a small but very sharp (and in focus) part of the photo and then the rest is kind of all bokeh and out of focus. When I ask myself why I like this style, it must be something like it captures the precision of this world we live in surrounded by the backdrop that this life we are living is kind of a dream we are having, a magical illusion. Whatever. We each have our own style.

Regardless of the reason, creating such an illusion takes care and sometimes equipment. I very much feel like (with the advent of usable mirrorless cameras), we have opened the floodgates of the next level of photography for everyone, certainly as regards lenses and their adapters.

Of course, like many of us, I am trying to see if I can extract my particular photo-style from these new mirrorless cameras, their lenses, and various adapters. I believe I can. Here are two tries at using adapters

In fact, I have never had so many usable lenses hitting the market. I can’t afford to buy them all. Here is a shot with the Z7 and the Z 50mm f/1.8 lens with the new Fotodiox 15mm extension. It allows me to get just that much closer with not too much loss of IQ. I see a rich photography future for those of us interested.

The second shot is with Novoflex adapter set for Visoflex II/III Leica (M39) adapter for the Nikon Z7. used with a couple of 10mm extensions and the Nikkor “O” CRT lens mentioned above. The M39 adapter allows me greater range for the Nikkor CRT and seems to produce good results. I have included a shot of the components to put this adapter together for clarity as to what I am doing.

P.S. The second shot is mislabeled as the CV-125, but it is the Nikkor "o." Also, it is a K5 not a K1 Ring used as a hood.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: kers on May 05, 2019, 06:10:53 am
Both look gorgeous!
But the nikkor-O is really something special indeed.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on May 05, 2019, 05:48:14 pm
Hi Michael,

How to you find the 50mm f1.8 S in absolute terms and in terms of price performance?

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on May 05, 2019, 05:50:18 pm
Hi Michael,

How to you find the 50mm f1.8 S in absolute terms and in terms of price performance?

Cheers,
Bernard

 I like it. There is a revolution in better lenses. More and more do what I need done. The 50mm f/1.8 is OK. It is inexpensive from my point of view.

For me, the times they are a'changing as the Bard says. I have a lot of lenses, but am realizing that these new lenses like the Nkkor Z (and of course the Otus series) and what is coming via adapters is changing the world of lenses as I see it. The Nikkor "O" CRT lens with some extension and an adapter is incredibly wonderful. This is just the tip of the iceberg, IMO.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Rob C on May 11, 2019, 04:04:00 am
Those are two beautiful flower pix, Michael. I don't think I'd put that down to lenses...

Rob
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: kers on May 11, 2019, 04:42:18 am
...
In fact, I have never had so many usable lenses hitting the market. I can’t afford to buy them all. ...

It is a good thing that Zeiss, Sony and foremost Sigma has made the quality lens competition more intense for Nikon and Canon.
Large steps are made in the right direction.
I very much would like to have a TS adapter for the Z cameras, so i can use every F-lens with it. Would be great.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on May 14, 2019, 04:56:41 am
I very much would like to have a TS adapter for the Z cameras, so i can use every F-lens with it. Would be great.

If you are talking about using F-mount Nikon lenses with tilt, there are at least two budget adapters that work work pretty well. I have one of them.  Here is another:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-Nikon-Macro-Tilt-Adapter-for-Nikon-F-AI-Lens-to-Nikon-D90-D810-D5300-D7000/272464977491?hash=item3f702d9e53:g:x2AAAOSw241YUmkq&frcectupt=true

No, nothing fancy, but you are able to tilt with them. For close-up and macro only.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: kers on May 14, 2019, 05:13:21 am
If you are talking about using F-mount Nikon lenses with tilt, there are at least two budget adapters that work work pretty well. I have one of them.  Here is another:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-Nikon-Macro-Tilt-Adapter-for-Nikon-F-AI-Lens-to-Nikon-D90-D810-D5300-D7000/272464977491?hash=item3f702d9e53:g:x2AAAOSw241YUmkq&frcectupt=true
No, nothing fancy, but you are able to tilt with them. For close-up and macro only.

Thanks, but as i understand this is a Fmount-to-Fmount tilt adapter.. You loose the possiblility to focus at infinity...
What i am suggesting is that the Z-camera will be connected through a Zmount-to-Fmount TS adapter, making TS possible at every focus distance with a Z-camera and F-lens.
Since sensors are having 50MP+ pixels and lenses are getting better; The old plate camera tricks are necessary to get the most out of them.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on May 14, 2019, 05:24:38 am
Thanks, but as i understand this is a Fmount-to-Fmount tilt adapter.. You loose the possiblility to focus at infinity...
What i am suggesting is that the Z-camera will be connected through a Zmount-to-Fmount TS adapter, making TS possible at every focus distance with a Z-camera and F-lens.
Since sensors are having 50MP+ pixels and lenses are getting better; The old plate camera tricks are necessary to get the most out of them.

I understand, which is why I pointed out these type of adapters are for close-up and macro only. Still, they work. I find it easier to simply mount the Nikon Z7 on a bellows and use that, which I do.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on May 28, 2019, 01:55:06 am
The techart F to Z adapter seems to be about to be released.

http://techartpro.com/product/techart-sony-e-nikon-z-autofocus-adapter-tze-01/

We'll have to see how well the AF performs, but at least it will open the door to all the MF lenses available in Sony FE mount (Zeiss, Voigtlander,...).

The significance of these 2 mm will be huge. ;)

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on June 06, 2019, 03:57:19 am
The techart F to Z adapter seems to be about to be released.

http://techartpro.com/product/techart-sony-e-nikon-z-autofocus-adapter-tze-01/

We'll have to see how well the AF performs, but at least it will open the door to all the MF lenses available in Sony FE mount (Zeiss, Voigtlander,...).

The significance of these 2 mm will be huge. ;)

Cheers,
Bernard

I ordered  the Techart Sony E to Nikon 7 as soon as it was posted. Have no idea when it will ship. Let me know if any of you get one. I want to use it with the Voigtlander 65mm Macro (in E mount) on the Z 7. I have had the 65mm Macro since it was first issued, but no camera to put it on. LOL. It looks to be as good or perhaps better than the Voigtlander 125mm Lanthar, of which I have several copies.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on June 20, 2019, 05:06:48 pm
https://m.dpreview.com/news/2358400875/techart-pro-s-new-tze-01-is-the-world-s-first-sony-e-to-nikon-z-af-lens-adapter

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on June 21, 2019, 02:54:04 am
https://m.dpreview.com/news/2358400875/techart-pro-s-new-tze-01-is-the-world-s-first-sony-e-to-nikon-z-af-lens-adapter

Cheers,
Bernard

I have two of these on order, each from a different vendor. One is Tech-Art itself. From what early testing of the actual adapter seem to show is that this adapter works well. There is some question if the adapter "locks" into place with a click. That will drive me crazy, but we will just have to see. Since I don't care about auto-focus, it should work fine for my work. I have the two Voigtlander Macros in Sony mounts (65mm and 110mm) sitting here on the shelf waiting.

Meanwhile, I continue to test the Leica-m39 to Z adapter and it works perfectly. Here is a shot with that adapter and the Nikon "O" CRT lens.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: KLaban on June 21, 2019, 04:00:09 am
Has anyone tried the 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 with the Novoflex M to Z or any other adapter?
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on June 25, 2019, 08:38:42 am
Looks like mine just shipped.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on June 25, 2019, 08:40:29 am
Looks like mine just shipped.

Cheers,
Bernard

Yep. Both of mind also "just shipped," but I have no way of knowing how long the shipping will take. LOL.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on June 25, 2019, 08:57:02 am
Yep. Both of mind also "just shipped," but I have no way of knowing how long the shipping will take. LOL.

I am a bit closer from the source. 😀

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on June 30, 2019, 07:10:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=628&v=9_Y6BbdI3CY

The teacart adapter seem to work pretty well. It looks like the whole portfolio of FE lenses has become usable on the Nikon Z6 and Z7. Of special interest for me are the Zeiss Batis lenses and they seem ok.

What a difference one month can make... from no eye-AF and Nikon lenses only to eye-AF on hundreds of lenses. :D

The next move is probably going to be an adapter for Canon R lenses to Nikon Z.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: SrMi on July 01, 2019, 01:33:04 am
I've got the Techart TZE-01 adapter and tried it with Sony's 100-400 (one lens that I find very much missing in Nikon's arsenal).
First, I ran the updater just in case and used Google to translate status messages from Chinese to English.

The adapter works OK-ish. The AF occasionally gets stuck, must focus manually first before AF starts working again. Lens VR does not seem to work.

But otherwise, it is a much smaller adapter than FTZ and gives access to many lenses missing in the Z mount.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 01, 2019, 12:56:59 pm
I received the TechArt adapter and I have the Voigtlander 110mm APO Macro Sony E-Mount and the Voitlander 65mm APO Macro in Sony E-Mount. However, the problem that appears, using either of these lenses and the adapter on the Z7, is that the image I see in the Live View or EVF seems the right lighting, but when I click the shutter, the resulting image is VERY much over exposed. So, in order to get a properly exposed image I have to try and see in the EVF or Live View and focus a VERY dark image to get a resulting properly exposed image. Any ideas or similar experiences. And this is a major PITA.

Unless there is a work-around, this is a major disappointment.  I have hoped to have a what-you-see-is-what-you-get experience with this adapter and these Voigtlander Son--E-Mount lenses.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: faberryman on July 01, 2019, 01:15:50 pm
You could always hold out a couple of years until Nikon fleshes out the lens line. What's the rush to ditch your current camera?
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 01, 2019, 01:22:31 pm
You could always hold out a couple of years until Nikon fleshes out the lens line. What's the rush to ditch your current camera?


I don't have a Sony, but bought these lenses for use on the Z7. These are APO Voigtlander lenses, the 110mm said to be an improved copy of the Voigtlander APO 125mm Lanthar. Those are my reasons. Nikon has not brought out a new (and fantastic) macro, much less APO, for.... ever.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on July 01, 2019, 01:29:59 pm


I don't have a Sony, but bought these lenses for use on the Z7. These are APO Voigtlander lenses, the 110mm said to be an improved copy of the Vigtlander APO 125mm Lanthar. Those are my reasons. Nikon has not brought out a new (and fantastic) macro, much less APO, for.... ever.

So you bought the two lenses, Sony mount, and a Nikon Z7 and then waited for an adapter to be invented? Is that correct? Now the adapter has been made, after a wait of several months, but by several accounts it’s not working out all that well quite yet. Is there a reason you didn’t just buy the Sony the lenses were meant for?
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 01, 2019, 01:33:49 pm
So you bought the two lenses, Sony mount, and a Nikon Z7 and then waited for an adapter to be invented? Is that correct? Now the adapter has been made, after a wait of several months, but by several accounts it’s not working out all that well quite yet. Is there a reason you didn’t just buy the Sony the lenses were meant for?

I have had three different Sony mirrorless cameras and found that for my work that Nikon worked better, so I have the experience. The focus here, why I posted, was to get LIGHT on the problem I described not to discuss Sony. Thanks.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on July 01, 2019, 01:37:26 pm
I didn’t want to discuss Sony. I wanted to understand the thought process that lead to what looks like a convoluted and ultimately failed plan. I guess some people just like to tinker 
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 01, 2019, 01:43:08 pm
I didn’t want to discuss Sony. I wanted to understand the thought process that lead to what looks like a convoluted and ultimately failed plan. I guess some people just like to tinker

The plan is not "not working" now; there may be a solution now or in firmware; I don't know. It's not about "tinkering," but about mounting decent APO macro lenses on the Z-7.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 01, 2019, 03:42:31 pm
On closer examination, the adapter (for some reason) is not allowing the lens to stop down to take the actual shot after focusing wider open. Any ideas how to fix that?
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 01, 2019, 04:19:56 pm
It looks like we have to set the aperture in the camera like a lot of other cameras. No big deal.

I understand. It was a momentary misunderstanding on my part. It looks OK. This with the Sony 65mm APO Macro  A rose, finishing up.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 02, 2019, 01:13:21 pm
The Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO Macros on the Nikon Z7 Camera

I’m a big fan of the Voigtlander APO lenses and have been for years. I was sad that Zeiss forbid them to keep making the Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar when they moved to Japan. It looks like that stricture is breaking up or at least bending with the advent of the Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO Macros in Sony E-Mount.

With my first look at the TZE-01 adapter from TechArt, I find the TZE-01 adapter easy to take on and off, so no “frozen-on” that some adapters show, where I have to take a pair of wide-pliers to gently get the adapter off.

I tested the TZE-01 with both the Voigtlander 65mm APO Macro and the Voigtlander 110mm APO Macro. The reviews I have read on these lenses praise the 110mm more than the 65mm, but I’m funny in what I like. First, I like a slightly wider macro lens and 65mm suits me fine.

They say the focus throw for both lenses is comparable, but I am only (or mostly) interested in the close-up and near macro range. For that, the 65mm macro has a focus throw of about 325 degrees, taking perhaps the last 50 degrees for the 2-meter distance and out.

As for the 110mm lens, it has about 250 degrees for the distance from 1:1 to 1:2, so for my purposes it has a more limited focus throw and it shows. I am used to a long focus through like the Voigtlander 125mm APO-Lanthar (630-degrees) and the Leical 100mm Elmarit-R (720 degrees) lenses. Compared to these classic lenses, the focus throw of new Voigtlander 110mm and 65mm APO lenses are a bit shorter than I like. Of the two new ones, the 65mm focus-throw does not bother me, but the 110mm is just enough shorter to make life more difficult than they would have had to. For close-up work I need a longer focus throw, although I try to make do.

Both lenses have 10-blades, not the best, but for me not a real problem. The 110mm lens goes 1:1, while the 65mm lens goes 1:2. I seldom work 1:1, so the wider range of the 65mm is just fine with me.

Neither of these lenses is up to what if find as the best for my work, lenses like:

APO EL Nikkor 105mm f/5.6
Schneider Macro-Varon 85mm f/4.5
Printing Nikkors (95mm, 105mm, and 150mm)
Nikkor “O” CRT lens 55mm f/1.2
Hartblei Superrotator Macro 120mm f/4 T/S
and others.

These new Voigtlanders are in the category of the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 125mm f/2.5, but I prefer the 9-blades of the CV-125 to the new 65mm and 110mm with their 10-blades. The CV-125 APO Lanthar is a magic lens, IMO. These three Voigtlanders (like the CV-125) produce more artifacts when stacked than I like, but they clean up pretty well. I see the two new Voigtlanders (110mm and 65mm) as a good bet for non-studio work, shooting outside in the field, etc.

Right now, I am being a little hard on the 110mm and the 65mm APOs, to see if I will really use them. I probably will. The TZE-01 is so small that it’s almost like they were made for the Nikon Z7. I have a TZE-01 for each of them, so I won’t be doing a lot of taking the adapters on and off.

I may find I want to use these two lenses on a focus rail to get a smoother result when stacking focus, as I do.
I hate to do that  because the focus rail is not the best for the stacking software, but will check it out anyway.

Here are a few quick images taken with the CV-65 APO Macro. Still not happy with the 100mm... yet.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 03, 2019, 10:22:17 am
The Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 110mm f/2.5 for Sony E-Mount

I have checked out the second Macro APO-Lanthar, this time the 110mm f/2.5 Lens for the Sony-E Mount, but on the TZE-01 adapter for the Nikon Z7. In the previous blog, I worked with the 65mm f/2 lens and found it very useful for my work, which is close-up stacking of images.

I am not as happy with the 110mm, for a couple of reasons, which may not affect most readers here, especially if you don’t stack focus.

Both the 65mm and the 110mm Voigtlander APO-Lanthars are about the same size, and they are external focus, so they hang way out there on the Nikon Z7 and the TZE-01 adapter. This is not SO bad if you are taking a single shot photo. Yet, for stacking, where I may have to take 150-250 images (or less or more), that overhanging lens is very hard to keep stationary. And the 110mm weighs 771 grams (1.78 lb.), while the 65mm weights 625 grams (1.4 lbs.). that 146 grams difference actually makes a difference in this case and for my work.

I usually use as a tripod head the geared Arca-Swiss C1 Cube. However, the C1 Cube is a little spongy because of the manual knob that allows the whole head to swing open 90-degrees. That knob has a little give to it. And so, given the long extension of the 110mm and the extra weight (146 grams), plus the helicoid on the 110mm is “stiffer” than the helicoid on the 65mm, the effort to turn the helicoid moves the lens more than it otherwise should, IMO. It’s no fun if you are doing many layers of images.

So, I went to the most steady tripod head I know of which is the Burzynski “Protec,” which as lens-master Bjørn Rørslett says “It simply defines what “dead solid” is all about.” Using the Burzynski helped a lot, but I still have to say that for complex focus stacking, the Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 110mm lens may not be for me. I can make it work, but my guess is that I may call on other lenses more often than choose it. 

So, there you have it. I like and can use the Voigtlander Macro APO-Lanthar 65mm lens, but have my doubts (and gave reasons) why the 110mm is probably a bridge too far as for stability in stacking images. It is just not steady enough because of weight, overhang-stress on the adapter, and stiffness of the helicoid, plus the focus throw is not (IMO) as long as I like them.

That aside, it is my best judgment, after examining the 110 APO-Lanthar that this lens is a step above in quality of the image from the legendary CV-125 (Voigtlander APO-Lanthar 125mm) lens. And so, I will be keeping it, but using it a little sparingly perhaps. This is an exquisite lens and I would recommend it.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: degrub on July 03, 2019, 11:39:43 am
The images with the 110 seem to have a "cooler" rendering than the 65 ?
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 04, 2019, 12:08:22 am
The images with the 110 seem to have a "cooler" rendering than the 65 ?

Hard to say. Different day, different light.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: D Fuller on July 08, 2019, 06:25:06 pm
I received the TechArt adapter and I have the Voigtlander 110mm APO Macro Sony E-Mount and the Voitlander 65mm APO Macro in Sony E-Mount. However, the problem that appears, using either of these lenses and the adapter on the Z7, is that the image I see in the Live View or EVF seems the right lighting, but when I click the shutter, the resulting image is VERY much over exposed. So, in order to get a properly exposed image I have to try and see in the EVF or Live View and focus a VERY dark image to get a resulting properly exposed image. Any ideas or similar experiences. And this is a major PITA.

Unless there is a work-around, this is a major disappointment.  I have hoped to have a what-you-see-is-what-you-get experience with this adapter and these Voigtlander Son--E-Mount lenses.

That seems odd. I have a Novoflex Leica-M to Z adapter, and the camera performs as you would expect with both a 50mm Sumicron and the Voightlander f1.2 35mm. For exposure, it does not seem to matter whether I've properly set the Non-CPU lens data.

The Novoflex is a dumb adapter; there has to be something going on between the electronics of the Techart adapter and the camera. Does it work properly with an electronic aperture E lens?
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 08, 2019, 06:28:08 pm
That seems odd. I have a Novoflex Leica-M to Z adapter, and the camera performs as you would expect with both a 50mm Sumicron and the Voightlander f1.2 35mm. For exposure, it does not seem to matter whether I've properly set the Non-CPU lens data.

The Novoflex is a dumb adapter; there has to be something going on between the electronics of the Techart adapter and the camera. Does it work properly with an electronic aperture E lens?

That was back when I first got the adapter. Everything seems fine at this point.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: D Fuller on July 08, 2019, 06:29:26 pm
That was back when I first got the adapter. Everything seems fine at this point.

Good to know. Do you know what made it better?
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 08, 2019, 06:31:51 pm
Good to know. Do you know what made it better?

I was expecting too much from it. I just had to coordinate the settings on the lens and the camera. Nothing is automatic, but works fine.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: D Fuller on July 08, 2019, 06:36:44 pm
I was expecting too much from it. I just had to coordinate the settings on the lens and the camera. Nothing is automatic, but works fine.

So is it that the lens doesn't report its aperture to the camera or tht the Techart doesn't pass that info along to the camera? I ask because I'm interested in the Zeiss Loxia lenses for the Zs (for video). They're manual focus, but not haveing iris control from the camera would be a concern.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 08, 2019, 06:52:23 pm
So is it that the lens doesn't report its aperture to the camera or tht the Techart doesn't pass that info along to the camera? I ask because I'm interested in the Zeiss Loxia lenses for the Zs (for video). They're manual focus, but not haveing iris control from the camera would be a concern.

I suggest you check with Zeiss Loxia users. It may vary. I have not tried it on Zeiss, but on Voigtlander. I can change the aperture on the lens itself. If I try to change the aperture on the Nikon Z7 with the adapter, something happens, but I am not clear just what. It does not seem to change, but around f/5.6 onward it does.

Check with someone who has the lens you are asking about. Thanks.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: D Fuller on July 08, 2019, 09:03:48 pm
I suggest you check with Zeiss Loxia users. It may vary. I have not tried it on Zeiss, but on Voigtlander. I can change the aperture on the lens itself. If I try to change the aperture on the Nikon Z7 with the adapter, something happens, but I am not clear just what. It does not seem to change, but around f/5.6 onward it does.

Check with someone who has the lens you are asking about. Thanks.

Great suggestion. Thanks.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: John R on July 11, 2019, 02:06:40 am
Thought I would add link to this video that shows the host trying the new Techart adapter from Nikon Z to Sony lens. Very short. He also says the FTZ Nikon adapter does not work as well as advertised. And that is another video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfjtT17FflY

JR
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Michael Erlewine on July 11, 2019, 05:07:52 am
Thought I would add link to this video that shows the host trying the new Techart adapter from Nikon Z to Sony lens. Very short. He also says the FTZ Nikon adapter does not work as well as advertised. And that is another video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfjtT17FflY

JR

Well, I'm not concerned with auto-focus, but only with manual. For that the TechArt TZE-01 adapter works perfectly for my work and is practically invisible.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: SrMi on July 11, 2019, 02:20:02 pm
Thought I would add link to this video that shows the host trying the new Techart adapter from Nikon Z to Sony lens. Very short. He also says the FTZ Nikon adapter does not work as well as advertised. And that is another video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfjtT17FflY

JR

Rick Vestuto does not say what he dislikes with FTZ, but all detailed feedback that I read (including my experience) is that FTZ works exceptionally well, except for some third-party lenses.  Rick observes correctly that Techart adapter occasionally gets stuck when auto-focusing. It needs a little bit of help (approximate focus manually), and then you can use AF for critical focus. Focus shift shooting seems to work well with Techart and Sony 90mm macro.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: John R on July 11, 2019, 07:10:58 pm
Rick Vestuto does not say what he dislikes with FTZ, but all detailed feedback that I read (including my experience) is that FTZ works exceptionally well, except for some third-party lenses.  Rick observes correctly that Techart adapter occasionally gets stuck when auto-focusing. It needs a little bit of help (approximate focus manually), and then you can use AF for critical focus. Focus shift shooting seems to work well with Techart and Sony 90mm macro.
You are probably right. I only linked to it so you can actually see what people are talking about. Quite frankly, I was impressed by what I saw despite the hiccups. As to his complaints about the FTZ adapter, it is in another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQq_So3tvhs

He is really picky and complains about issues I can't see or hear. But he states there is hunting and noise using the FTZ on older Nikon lenses. He concludes, don't bother adapting unless you need to; and go native if you want and expect flawless performance. Like Michael I will be happy if the FTZ can help me in any way to mount my older Nikon manual lenses. I am going to rent the Z6 and see how it goes.

JR
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: SrMi on July 11, 2019, 11:08:30 pm
You are probably right. I only linked to it so you can actually see what people are talking about. Quite frankly, I was impressed by what I saw despite the hiccups. As to his complaints about the FTZ adapter, it is in another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQq_So3tvhs

He is really picky and complains about issues I can't see or hear. But he states there is hunting and noise using the FTZ on older Nikon lenses. He concludes, don't bother adapting unless you need to; and go native if you want and expect flawless performance. Like Michael I will be happy if the FTZ can help me in any way to mount my older Nikon manual lenses. I am going to rent the Z6 and see how it goes.

JR

Tons of people are reporting that F mount AF-P 70-300 works really well on Z camera, some say even better than on the DSLRs. One difference is that VR is always active with a Z camera, not only when half-pressing the shutter. An active lens VR may produce noise.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on August 16, 2019, 05:14:54 am
First test of Sigma 35mm f1.2 on Z7 through tech art is more or less encouraging.

Eye AF works fine at f1.2 but not very consistently. There is currently no newer firmware than the one the adapter came installed with.

The lens AF is not super fast, but I have not noticed any particular hunting so far in good light. In poor light and moving subject, it really hit and miss. I got some decent results with a subject moving as a slow and consistent pace.

The lens itself is very sharp even at f1.2. Very impressive! Light fall off in the corners is very high as expected.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: KLaban on August 19, 2019, 12:45:14 pm
Experimenting with my 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM as a 'character' lens using Novoflex adapter on Nikon Z7 @ f/1.5 .

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Snail.jpg)
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Manoli on August 19, 2019, 02:08:31 pm
Experimenting with my 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM as a 'character' lens using Novoflex adapter on Nikon Z7 @ f/1.5 .

Keith,

Given the nature of the 'character' lens, I find it hard to draw any conclusions from the shot you've posted. What's your opinion ?.

The last cam I tried an M mount on was the Sony A7rII with a Summilux-M 50 & 75. From your shot I'm guesiing some smearing in the corners with central focus spot on. Much the same as my tests. In the end I found that, to my deep and great regret, the 50 did not surpass the SonyZeiss 55. Looks as though that may be the case with the Nikon S series 50 and the ZM.

Best,
M
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: Peter McLennan on August 19, 2019, 02:20:39 pm
Michael, have you experimented with Nikon's automatic focus stacking function?
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: KLaban on August 19, 2019, 03:33:43 pm
Keith,

Given the nature of the 'character' lens, I find it hard to draw any conclusions from the shot you've posted. What's your opinion ?.

The last cam I tried an M mount on was the Sony A7rII with a Summilux-M 50 & 75. From your shot I'm guesiing some smearing in the corners with central focus spot on. Much the same as my tests. In the end I found that, to my deep and great regret, the 50 did not surpass the SonyZeiss 55. Looks as though that may be the case with the Nikon S series 50 and the ZM.

Best,
M

Hi M

The Zeiss 50 ZM on the Z7 will never be *a pin sharp general purpose lens and it was never my intention to use it as such. My hope was that it would prove to be a special purpose characterful alternative when used wide open at f/1.5 or at F/2 which is how I used it on the Leica M series bodies. Used in this way it seems to be every bit as characterful as it was on the Leica M, possibly more so. It’s also a darn sight easier to focus!


*The Nikon Z 50 f1.8 S is proving to be the best ‘standard’ I’ve used.

Best
Keith
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on August 20, 2019, 01:04:25 am
(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Snail.jpg)

Nice image! How long did you have to wait for it to reach the center? ;)

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: KLaban on August 20, 2019, 04:08:25 am
Nice image! How long did you have to wait for it to reach the center? ;)

Bernard, I'm still waiting!

Further to Manoli's question, the lens when used on the M rangefinders is indeed sharp centrally but this falls off towards the edges. On the Nikon Z this 'quality' is far more extreme. Keeping these limitations in mind I'll certainly be using the lens on the Z.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on August 24, 2019, 08:26:00 pm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48614520672_cc810b8078_h.jpg)
Nikon Z7 + Sigma 35mm f1.2 Art @ f1.2 on Techart

Probably the best bokeh I have seen on a wide lens with the Nikon 28mm f1.4.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: RobertJ on September 09, 2019, 08:24:23 pm
I received the TechArt adapter and I have the Voigtlander 110mm APO Macro Sony E-Mount and the Voitlander 65mm APO Macro in Sony E-Mount. However, the problem that appears, using either of these lenses and the adapter on the Z7, is that the image I see in the Live View or EVF seems the right lighting, but when I click the shutter, the resulting image is VERY much over exposed. So, in order to get a properly exposed image I have to try and see in the EVF or Live View and focus a VERY dark image to get a resulting properly exposed image. Any ideas or similar experiences. And this is a major PITA.

Unless there is a work-around, this is a major disappointment.  I have hoped to have a what-you-see-is-what-you-get experience with this adapter and these Voigtlander Son--E-Mount lenses.

Michael, I would ditch the TechArt adapters and wait for the non-electronic Voigtlander E to Z adapters.  They were announced in February 2019, and should be coming out soon (They are still not out yet, which is unfortunate, I know).  I think they will officially be called the "EZ Adapter".  I asked a Voigtlander distributor when they will arrive, and he had no estimated time of arrival.

I will be buying several Voigtlander EZ adapters when they come out, to be used with manual aperture, manual focus lenses that I already own on a future Z body.  I plan on using the Loxia 21, Voigt 21 1.4, Voigt 65 APO, Loxia 85, and Voigt 110 APO.  Even if I sold my Sony system, I will be holding on to these manual lenses, especially the Voigt APO lenses.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: kers on September 10, 2019, 04:56:10 am
First test of Sigma 35mm f1.2 on Z7 through tech art is more or less encouraging.

Eye AF works fine at f1.2 but not very consistently. There is currently no newer firmware than the one the adapter came installed with.

The lens AF is not super fast, but I have not noticed any particular hunting so far in good light. In poor light and moving subject, it really hit and miss. I got some decent results with a subject moving as a slow and consistent pace.

The lens itself is very sharp even at f1.2. Very impressive! Light fall off in the corners is very high as expected.

Cheers,
Bernard

Very nice lensrental test here:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/09/mtf-tests-of-the-sigma-35mm-f1-2-dg-art/
better MTF than the leica 75mm $$
Also the tamron 35 f1.4 seems to be a perfect lens.
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: BernardLanguillier on September 10, 2019, 05:14:24 am
Very nice lensrental test here:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/09/mtf-tests-of-the-sigma-35mm-f1-2-dg-art/
better MTF than the leica 75mm $$
Also the tamron 35 f1.4 seems to be a perfect lens.

My copy of the Sigma is good but quite a few people have been unhappy about theirs.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Non-Native Lenses and Adapters for Nikon Z Mirrorless
Post by: kers on September 10, 2019, 05:44:02 am
My copy of the Sigma is good but quite a few people have been unhappy about theirs.

Cheers,
Bernard

I read that too: You always have to check what you bought. I have a Sigma 85 with some skew. Found out too late.
Not a problem with portraits, but at infinity lenscapes. My most perfect lens is the bulky Sigma 40mm, love it.