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Title: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Rand47 on May 02, 2019, 01:26:04 pm
Remember the defunct thread a bit a ago on Adobe "supposedly" raising pricing?
My sources tell me it may not be so defunct.

Rand
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Zen8 on May 02, 2019, 01:42:05 pm
In Canada and Mexico it still shows the Photo Plan at $9.99. At the US site it shows the plan at $19.99 for 1TB only but you can get LR only for $9.99.

However

Don’t despair, though: there are still a trick that you can use to get the old pricing. Simply contact Adobe Sales through phone (866-493-4989) or the online chat (the chat bubble in the bottom right corner of the page) and they can still sell you the $10/month plan (for now).

https://petapixel.com/2019/05/02/adobes-10-photography-plan-gone-from-site-cheapest-is-20-month/

We'll see if the old price is grandfathered in.   
       
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Zen8 on May 02, 2019, 01:45:32 pm
Just to add Adobe does split testing once in a while to test the market. This is not the first time may not be permanent.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Rand47 on May 02, 2019, 02:16:12 pm
In Canada and Mexico it still shows the Photo Plan at $9.99. At the US site it shows the plan at $19.99 for 1TB only but you can get LR only for $9.99.

However

Don’t despair, though: there are still a trick that you can use to get the old pricing. Simply contact Adobe Sales through phone (866-493-4989) or the online chat (the chat bubble in the bottom right corner of the page) and they can still sell you the $10/month plan (for now).

https://petapixel.com/2019/05/02/adobes-10-photography-plan-gone-from-site-cheapest-is-20-month/

We'll see if the old price is grandfathered in.   
     

What you suggest above is exactly what my friend did this morning.  And was told (supposedly at least) that as of today the real pricing is $19.95 for LR/PS and if you only want LR you can have that for the $9.95 rate.

I'm sincerely hoping to prove to be another "the sky is falling" poster here this morning, and DEAD wrong.  But ultimately... while I'd rather pay less than more, it is still the cheapest of my workflow expenses.

Rand
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: digitaldog on May 02, 2019, 02:54:34 pm
Moments ago on Amazon:

Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: RikkFlohr on May 02, 2019, 02:59:47 pm
From time to time, we run tests on Adobe.com which cover a range of items, including plan options that may or may not be presented to all visitors to Adobe.com. We are currently running a number of tests on Adobe.com. The plan can be purchased at http://www.adobe.com/go/photo18sptst, via phone at 1-800-585-0774 or via major retailers.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 02, 2019, 03:45:29 pm
From time to time, we run tests on Adobe.com which cover a range of items, including plan options that may or may not be presented to all visitors to Adobe.com.

So, will those who buy the "test" get a refund?

Just wondering, since price discrimination is illegal in the European Community.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: hubell on May 02, 2019, 03:48:54 pm
From time to time, we run tests on Adobe.com which cover a range of items, including plan options that may or may not be presented to all visitors to Adobe.com. We are currently running a number of tests on Adobe.com. The plan can be purchased at http://www.adobe.com/go/photo18sptst, via phone at 1-800-585-0774 or via major retailers.

Rick, I went to the Adobe site and I did not see ANYWHERE a similar plan available to the Photography Plan that I now have for $10 per month. However, you are saying that one can still get the same $10 per month plan if you call Adobe or you go to some "secret" location on the Adobe site? Seriously? I suggest you run that by your lawyers. If true, that's a pretty classic case of a false and deceptive business practice. 
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 02, 2019, 03:55:00 pm
Just wondering, since price discrimination is illegal since the European Economic Community was established.

Different prices for new and existing customers isn't. You see it all the time with subscriptions for TV / internet / power etc. This mess is no different.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 02, 2019, 04:48:42 pm
Different prices for new and existing customers isn't. You see it all the time with subscriptions for TV / internet / power etc. This mess is no different.

Those are action prices, that's something different than 2 customers having to pay different prices for the same product/service with the same vendor. Companies that try to get away with that face a fine up to 10 % of their worldwide sales.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 02, 2019, 04:58:42 pm
It's perfectly standard to offer different prices to new and existing customers, and to confuse the marketplace with little variations of their product bundles. One can't pretend that Adobe is doing anything unusual - no matter how ham-fistedly they're doing it.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: StuartOnline on May 02, 2019, 05:03:14 pm
On this site https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/subscription-price-increase.html
found this posted about existing membership:
Looks like everyones price is going up. 

I have an existing membership. When is my monthly fee going up?
If you have a month-to-month plan, you'll see the price increase on your statement at the next billing date that occurs on or after April 16, 2018.

If you have an annual plan and you:

Pay monthly — the new price goes into effect at the end of your annual term that ends on or after April 16, 2018.
Pre-pay annually — your price will not increase.

Cheers!

Stu
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 02, 2019, 05:15:31 pm
The price increase is old news - April last year.

What is causing today's fuss is that some people are seeing only the Photography Plan (PS + real LR) with 1TB cloud space for $20. You could actually buy this combo before at the same price. But by Adobe failing to display the previous default PP with 20Gb at $10, people are naturally fearing the worst. Who would have thunk it?
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: ButchM on May 02, 2019, 11:10:13 pm

But by Adobe failing to display the previous default PP with 20Gb at $10, people are naturally fearing the worst. Who would have thunk it?

Exactly the problem ... that crack marketing department has no one but themselves to blame for any confusion, misunderstanding and loss of good will they have intentionally created ... apparently with the blessing of the executives and managers that oversee such matters.

Too bad they have so little respect for their customers that they are willing to gamble away client loyalty on the chance to enhance the bottom line by obfuscating some offerings.

It's one thing for the local bank to offer a free toaster to new account holders ... it's quite another to make such offerings in a manner that would make long time depositors question if their savings are at risk.

This thread will end like the others on this topic ... locked while the Adobe marketing department continues to collect a check for their efforts. No matter how much they may muddy the waters in the process.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 03, 2019, 03:15:37 am
A few minutes ago, I visited the Adobe UK site. Two clicks led me to a page where I could buy the photographic bundle I now use - LR, PS, 20GB - for the price I now pay - £9.99/month.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 03, 2019, 04:05:22 am
That's not surprising, Jeremy, since this and a previous similar test appear to be restricted to the US.

I've seen comments that Adobe are doing A/B or Split Testing, offering this $20 1tb bundle and hiding the $10 20gb to see how different sets of customers respond. In the age of social media this only seems to confuse and frighten their customers, rather like a drugs company testing new headache pills by leaving them on the counter next to the cough sweets and laxatives. I can only assume Adobe know what they are doing ::)
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 03, 2019, 05:02:19 am
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This thread will end like the others on this topic ... locked while the Adobe marketing department continues to collect a check for their efforts. No matter how much they may muddy the waters in the process.

It's more likely to end with a price increase for everybody (after a while). Just think of it, doubling your revenue without any serious effort to improve the service offered by that amount. Who could resist that when shareholders are the only ones who count?

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Zen8 on May 03, 2019, 05:38:38 am
On this site https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/subscription-price-increase.html
found this posted about existing membership:
Looks like everyones price is going up. 

I have an existing membership. When is my monthly fee going up?
If you have a month-to-month plan, you'll see the price increase on your statement at the next billing date that occurs on or after April 16, 2018.

If you have an annual plan and you:

Pay monthly — the new price goes into effect at the end of your annual term that ends on or after April 16, 2018.
Pre-pay annually — your price will not increase.

Cheers!


Stu

That was from last year and Adobe was already raked over the coals for it in various sites. Old news and here is what was effected. There was no doubling of anything.

   
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: DP on May 03, 2019, 06:24:56 am
Who could resist that when shareholders are the only ones who count?
you are wrong (too idealistic) - the only ones who count are CEO's...
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: myotis on May 03, 2019, 06:45:53 am
A few minutes ago, I visited the Adobe UK site. Two clicks led me to a page where I could buy the photographic bundle I now use - LR, PS, 20GB - for the price I now pay - £9.99/month.

Jeremy

Not everyone in the UK is seeing this. I am, but on a UK based forum, users are providing screen shots of the UK site that omit the 9.99 20gb option when clicking on the same link that I posted in the forum that is showing me the 9.99 20gb option.

I am guessing that Adobe are randomly showing different options based on ISP, or browser or something else.

Cheers,
Graham
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: peterwgallagher on May 03, 2019, 09:47:13 am
Adobe is not testing "if". They're testing "when".

When our choice is forced (as it will be), I hope it's "which" not "whether". 

Just at present, there's not a lot of "which" to choose from for e.g a variety of solid "profiles" or, printing from virtual previews, or a wide range of high-quality plug-ins.

PWG

Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: kers on May 03, 2019, 10:00:31 am
Too bad they are not testing discounts like 5 $ a month... ;)
Would not have any problem with that...
Maybe they forgot to test it...
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: mdijb on May 03, 2019, 10:24:04 am
Adobe has me completely confused!

I want to keep the Photography Plan 20gb and not double the monthly fee.  It looks like I can do so according the thread above but it is not clear how to do so.  Do I have to sign up again and can i do nothing?

MDIJB
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: ButchM on May 03, 2019, 10:40:37 am
Adobe has me completely confused!

I want to keep the Photography Plan 20gb and not double the monthly fee.  It looks like I can do so according the thread above but it is not clear how to do so.  Do I have to sign up again and can i do nothing?

MDIJB

No, you don't have to do anything. If and when there would be any change to your subscription, you will receive official notification from Adobe.

Unfortunately you have fallen victim to the confusion Adobe has created. Unnecessarily so.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on May 03, 2019, 11:19:43 am
Almost every on-line service I pay for is raising their price.  We got a notice last week that Netflix subscription is going up 20% going forward.  Amazon Prime raised their yearly charge several months ago but of course that bundles in special shipping in addition to streaming video.  For my own perspective, I don't see any alternatives to LR right now (in terms of a single app that allows photo editing, cataloguing, and printing) whereas there are PS alternatives.  I already have cloud storage via Amazon Web Services and am not interested in Adobe storage.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: hogloff on May 03, 2019, 11:43:04 am
Almost every on-line service I pay for is raising their price.  We got a notice last week that Netflix subscription is going up 20% going forward.  Amazon Prime raised their yearly charge several months ago but of course that bundles in special shipping in addition to streaming video.  For my own perspective, I don't see any alternatives to LR right now (in terms of a single app that allows photo editing, cataloguing, and printing) whereas there are PS alternatives.  I already have cloud storage via Amazon Web Services and am not interested in Adobe storage.

Yeh, costs for insurance, health care, food, rent...you name it, are going up...why would one think the Adobe subscription cost will stay the same forever?
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: faberryman on May 03, 2019, 11:55:21 am
For me, it is how much am I willing to pay not to have to learn a new program. I am happy with LR and the few things I do in PS and learning a new program just seems like wasted time. But I may choke at $20/month, especially since I do not want to need the cloud storage. On the other hand Capture One is $299, and they upgrade regularly at twelve month intervals at $109, so in absolute terms the savings may not add up to that much.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 03, 2019, 12:04:03 pm
Yeh, costs for insurance, health care, food, rent...you name it, are going up...why would one think the Adobe subscription cost will stay the same forever?

That's exactly the issue with subscriptions. Ask the frog in boiling water ...

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: hogloff on May 03, 2019, 01:08:30 pm
That's exactly the issue with subscriptions. Ask the frog in boiling water ...

Cheers,
Bart

Didn't capture one pro bump their Sony version from something like $69 to $200. See what that frog says about that!!

Subscription to LR / PS is a great deal for new people getting into processing. The old days they would have to shell out nearly $1,000 for this bundle...now $10/month which is more palatable for most.

Sort of like rather than saving up $500,000 for 20 years for you house and paying cash money...you can walk into the bank today, get a mortgage and have monthly payments...but enjoy your house over the next 20 years.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 03, 2019, 01:52:02 pm
Didn't capture one pro bump their Sony version from something like $69 to $200. See what that frog says about that!!

I'm not a Sony user, but doesn't C1 come free with the camera?

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Subscription to LR / PS is a great deal for new people getting into processing. The old days they would have to shell out nearly $1,000 for this bundle...now $10/month which is more palatable for most.

I never paid that much, and certainly not for upgrades every 1.5 years. The money I have saved by not jumping on the subscription bandwagon, is significantly more than the software upgrades would have cost, even at the current rates. The 'alternatives' as far as functionalities overlap, like Affinity Photo, even cost a smal fraction of a subscription and are often at least as functional.

I use LR and PS less and less compared to the alternatives, and I'm still not paying a single cent for LR and PS since the last upgrade to perpetual licenses, and they work fine.

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Sort of like rather than saving up $500,000 for 20 years for you house and paying cash money...you can walk into the bank today, get a mortgage and have monthly payments...but enjoy your house over the next 20 years.

Totally different, a house is an asset that represents (re-)sales value. A software license is an access to something that is a digital copy of something that can be multiplied/duplicated at virtually zero cost.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Zen8 on May 03, 2019, 06:24:48 pm
The 20GB photo plan for 9.99 is still there.

https://www.outdoorphotographer.com/blog/adobe-clarifies-new-pricing-structure-for-cc-photography-plan/

Does Adobe do any planning before throwing something out and stirring up chit on all the forums. The KeyStone Cops were more organized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jphxpi1ro (external link)
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: FranciscoDisilvestro on May 03, 2019, 10:13:29 pm
As the different options for photo plans in the adobe website are contained in a drop-down list, is it possible that for some reason the object is not loading for those people that are having issues?
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: hogloff on May 03, 2019, 10:58:03 pm
I'm not a Sony user, but doesn't C1 come free with the camera?

I never paid that much, and certainly not for upgrades every 1.5 years. The money I have saved by not jumping on the subscription bandwagon, is significantly more than the software upgrades would have cost, even at the current rates. The 'alternatives' as far as functionalities overlap, like Affinity Photo, even cost a smal fraction of a subscription and are often at least as functional.

I use LR and PS less and less compared to the alternatives, and I'm still not paying a single cent for LR and PS since the last upgrade to perpetual licenses, and they work fine.

Totally different, a house is an asset that represents (re-)sales value. A software license is an access to something that is a digital copy of something that can be multiplied/duplicated at virtually zero cost.

Cheers,
Bart

So you would give away your images as they can just be copied at virtually zero cost? You have any idea how many hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to create software of the likes of Adobe these days...and how many hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to maintain and enhance that software?

I understand that if you don't utilize LR / PS much these days...then maybe the product is not intended for you. There are many other products out there that might better meet your needs...but many rely on LR / PS daily for their photography and paying 2 coffees a month for something that you rely on is agreeable with them.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 04, 2019, 02:35:08 am
As the different options for photo plans in the adobe website are contained in a drop-down list, is it possible that for some reason the object is not loading for those people that are having issues?

No, this was deliberate testing of the 1tb bundle at $20 and hiding the $10 20gb default.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: ButchM on May 04, 2019, 09:03:43 am
No, this was deliberate testing of the 1tb bundle at $20 and hiding the $10 20gb default.

They seemed to have ended their 'testing' since there were so many articles on the tech websites this week as now the 20GB option is easily discoverable for everyone on their site.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Rand47 on May 04, 2019, 11:59:26 am
That's exactly the issue with subscriptions. Ask the frog in boiling water ...

Cheers,
Bart

Bart,

That might be difficult.  In all likelihood the frog is dead.  😜

Rand
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: jrp on May 04, 2019, 12:01:32 pm
Yeh, costs for insurance, health care, food, rent...you name it, are going up...why would one think the Adobe subscription cost will stay the same forever?

Because that is what they promised when they forced us onto the subscription model.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 04, 2019, 12:51:48 pm
Because that is what they promised when they forced us onto the subscription model.

No, they did not say the subscription cost would stay the same forever. In fact they didn't even use the word "indefinitely" in that context.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: faberryman on May 04, 2019, 01:33:44 pm
Because that is what they promised when they forced us onto the subscription model.

I don't remember them saying that, and wouldn't have believed them if they had. Seriously.

The "test" performed by Adobe has been short-lived. Between yesterday and today, the $9.99 option with 20GB of storage is now back as the default on the Adobe US website. I wonder how many LR/PS users jumped ship to Capturre One in the intervening 24 hours? I know I went out at looked at the current prices on Capture One. Unless you want the Sony or Fuji limited versions, which are on sale for $109 or $8/month (for 12 months), Capture One Pro runs $299 or $20/month. With that kind of pricing, can Adobe be far behind?
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Zen8 on May 04, 2019, 05:20:05 pm
I do believe that at one time the price was supposed to be $19.99 and $9.99 was limited offer for a period of time. If you got in then your price remained at $9.99, excluding an inflationary increase. Looks like Adobe extended that offer.     

Adobe's test which stirred up the forums was supposed to be for new customers, not existing ones. I fully expect an increase some day. Last year the 1 App and All Apps plans increased by 6%. That wouldn't bother me.   
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: jrp on May 04, 2019, 05:46:05 pm
No, they did not say the subscription cost would stay the same forever. In fact they didn't even use the word "indefinitely" in that context.
Equivocation.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 04, 2019, 10:42:04 pm
Equivocation.

Indeed !

Really, some of the "answers" we're getting are so full of it, it boggles the mind (of real people).

People are about to get screwed real time (close to doubling the price), again!
What is it that inhibits their true sentiments about it, other than embarrassment?
Any psychiatrists around?

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: hogloff on May 05, 2019, 01:14:58 am
Indeed !

Really, some of the "answers" we're getting are so full of it, it boggles the mind (of real people).

People are about to get screwed real time (close to doubling the price), again!
What is it that inhibits their true sentiments about it, other than embarrassment?
Any psychiatrists around?

Cheers,
Bart

Really Bart...we are about to get screwed AGAIN...huh. Funny I just keep paying the same amount I did when I first subscribed. Like I said, if you feel you are getting screwed...why not just move over to some other product that is not out to screw you. Why all this angst from you...just drop it and move on.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 05, 2019, 03:13:21 am
Equivocation.

Wishful thinking or gullibility?
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 05, 2019, 03:14:10 am
I don't remember them saying that, and wouldn't have believed them if they had. Seriously.

Exactly.

What they actually said was that the perpetual licence would be available "indefinitely". They carefully avoided the word "forever" - they're not so stupid, and don't think their customers are.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: ericbowles on May 05, 2019, 07:16:20 am
While I personally prefer the $9.99 Plan with 20 GB storage, there are a number of photographers that do't use PS at all.  The $9.99 LR + 1 TB Cloud plan has some merit for that group.  Why pay for PS if you don't use it?  For many photographers, migrating to Adobe cloud for 1 TB storage would be more effective than their current plan.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: FranciscoDisilvestro on May 05, 2019, 07:31:40 am
there are a number of photographers that do't use PS at all.  The $9.99 LR + 1 TB Cloud plan has some merit for that group.  Why pay for PS if you don't use it? 

I would say because many photographers prefer LR Classic, keeping the images locally. The LR + 1 TB Cloud plan is LR CC only
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: digitaldog on May 05, 2019, 09:23:24 am
Indeed !

Really, some of the "answers" we're getting are so full of it, it boggles the mind (of real people).

People are about to get screwed real time (close to doubling the price), again!
What is it that inhibits their true sentiments about it, other than embarrassment?
Any psychiatrists around?

Cheers,
Bart
Rubbish! No one is getting screwed and no on is forcing anyone to do anything. Enough FUD please.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: ButchM on May 05, 2019, 11:23:58 am
Rubbish! No one is getting screwed and no on is forcing anyone to do anything. Enough FUD please.

Unfortunately, blaming disgruntled subscribers for creating FUD is placing blame on the wrong source. It was actually Adobe's astute marketing team that has created the atmosphere and a massive amount of misinformation. Had Adobe chosen a different, more logical 'test' that enhanced the benefits and attributes of the 1TB plan with out obscuring the 20GB plan ... all these misunderstandings could have been easily avoided. Any resulting damage has been self-inflicted.

Here is one of the top stories on Flipboard  this morning ...

"After That Adobe Price Increase, I’m So Happy I Switched to Capture One"

https://www.thephoblographer.com/2019/05/05/after-that-adobe-price-increase-im-so-happy-i-switched-to-capture-one/ (https://www.thephoblographer.com/2019/05/05/after-that-adobe-price-increase-im-so-happy-i-switched-to-capture-one/)


There are dozens more stories like this one out there, some on very reputible tech sites. The problem isn't a single forum comment that is creating the fear, uncertainty and doubt ... the source is much closer to home.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Chris Kern on May 05, 2019, 11:55:54 am
No one is getting screwed

In fact, photographers still receive favored treatment.  Here in the States, the Lightroom + Photoshop + 20GB remote storage "Photography Plan" comes to ~ $120/year, while any other single application in the Adobe suite is $252/year (which includes 100GB of storage).  The entire "Creative Suite" of all the Adobe apps costs $636/year (again with 100GB), which is a reasonable price if you use at least two other applications in addition to LR and PS.  I assume a similar approach is reflected in the prices offered in other countries.

That strikes me as a rational pricing strategy, and a rather fair one, especially given the concessionary price for photographers who only want access to LR and PS.  Whether it's worth the money compared to alternative products is obviously a decision every potential customer needs to make.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: faberryman on May 05, 2019, 12:29:18 pm
People are about to get screwed real time (close to doubling the price), again!
When did they get screwed the first time? You pays your money and takes your choice.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 05, 2019, 01:03:57 pm
When did they get screwed the first time?

Depends on who purchased what, and when.

In my case, I was told by Adobe that, in order to be eligible for an upgrade to the then announced Photoshop CS7, I had to first upgrade to CS6 because it would no longer be possible to skip a version (and only upgrade every other version if the new features were good enough to improve my workflow), so once in 3 years on average. Of course CS7 never happened.

My Lightroom perpetual license (I had been using LR since version 1.0 and upgraded every 18 months, or skipped a version) got more expensive if I adopted an annual subscription, and the perpetual license version ceased being offered.

Time and training to master these applications were rendered rather useless and I therefore also stopped developing several planned Plugins.

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You pays your money and takes your choice.

I did, and spent my money on other/better alternatives, and have never regretted it.

I am a bit puzzled why people still tolerate being used as a paying beta tester for Adobe, but hey we make our own choices. And if that means probably having to pay double the price for a new subscription, be my guest. Not me.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: faberryman on May 05, 2019, 01:09:41 pm
Time and training to master these applications were rendered rather useless...
This is the hidden cost of switching applications. Even if the LR/PS bundle doubles to $20/month, does it make it sense to spend the time to learn and master comparable applications. It largely depends on how you value your time.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 05, 2019, 01:37:48 pm
This is the hidden cost of switching applications. Even if the LR/PS bundle doubles to $20/month, does it make it sense to spend the time to learn and master comparable applications.

Well, that's a bit like playing roulette and doubling your bet each time you lose. It won't work in the end.
There comes a time to make a choice, and quit playing someone else's game.

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It largely depends on how you value your time.

Sure, but I'd rather invest my time in something with the potential for improvement, and at lower cost.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: faberryman on May 05, 2019, 02:01:58 pm
A lot of angst over $10/month.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on May 05, 2019, 02:05:12 pm
A lot of angst over $10/month.

$120/year forever (or $240).
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: faberryman on May 05, 2019, 02:07:07 pm
$120/year forever (or $240).
It may come as a shock to you, but I can do the math. Except the forever part. I am long past the stage when I thought I was immortal.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: FranciscoDisilvestro on May 05, 2019, 04:08:31 pm
It's simple, Value = Benefits - Cost.
If the Adobe subscription value is not positive for you or you don't like their value proposition, look elsewhere. I find some of the thread's posts against the Adobe model are saying "If you subscribe to Adobe you are stupid". Please, don't try to justify your decision to go elsewhere as the "Smart move"
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on May 05, 2019, 04:40:54 pm
It's simple, Value = Benefits - Cost.
If the Adobe subscription value is not positive for you or you don't like their value proposition, look elsewhere. I find some of the thread's posts against the Adobe model are saying "If you subscribe to Adobe you are stupid". Please, don't try to justify your decision to go elsewhere as the "Smart move"
This is also where I come down on.  I've not seen any standalone software package that does what LR does.  Perhaps a combination of things will give marginally better results but at both a learning and convenience cost.  I do have Affinity Photo and find it a capable substitute for Photoshop but I don't use either all that much.  LR print module is very good and the development workflow makes sense to me.  I think some of Adobe's moves are stupid but that's the result of the marketing department and not the software engineers.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: john beardsworth on May 05, 2019, 05:46:45 pm
This is also where I come down on.  I've not seen any standalone software package that does what LR does.  Perhaps a combination of things will give marginally better results but at both a learning and convenience cost.  I do have Affinity Photo and find it a capable substitute for Photoshop but I don't use either all that much.  LR print module is very good and the development workflow makes sense to me.

Agreed. With Photoshop you have the "headroom" that none of the competitors can approach. With Lightroom you have an unrivalled balance between cataloguing, adjustment, and output possibilities.

As well as Lightroom and Photoshop, factor in the mobile workflow and the web tools (Portfolio, Slate, LR Web) that you get with the subscription. Adobe don't push these enough, but see this post https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=130146.0 for a practical example and two subscribers who've been able to eliminate other costs.

I think some of Adobe's moves are stupid but that's the result of the marketing department and not the software engineers.

I'm putting it down to their much-vaunted artificial intelligence learning to match human fallibility.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Zen8 on May 07, 2019, 09:05:33 am
I did remember $9.99 was an introductory offer. From 2014.   

https://fstoppers.com/gear/adobe-makes-999-photography-plan-permanent-12332
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: ButchM on May 07, 2019, 11:53:06 am
I did remember $9.99 was an introductory offer. From 2014.   

https://fstoppers.com/gear/adobe-makes-999-photography-plan-permanent-12332

(Déjà vu ...)

Yes ... and also don't gloss over that initial promo (up until June 2014) was only for prior license holders as an incentive to move from perpetual licensing to CC ... not for new customers.

If you had never owned licensing for either Ps or Lr ... you couldn't get the $9.99 deal at all.

So new customers who purchased the Photography package never received a 'introductory' or special limited promotional pricing ... from June 2014 ... that was the full standard price.

Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 07, 2019, 12:39:42 pm
That's not surprising, Jeremy, since this and a previous similar test appear to be restricted to the US.

This morning, out of curiosity, I had a look at the US site. It took an extra click, but I found LR/PS/20Gb for $9.99/month easily enough. Maybe it is random.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: ButchM on May 07, 2019, 01:14:49 pm
This morning, out of curiosity, I had a look at the US site. It took an extra click, but I found LR/PS/20Gb for $9.99/month easily enough. Maybe it is random.

Jeremy

That too is understandable ... considering they seem to have at least suspended their 'test' after all this kerfuffle from the expansive list of tech site stories on the issue ...

If you go back and look at the previous thread here on this subject, you can see screen shots depicting what some users encountered ... no matter how much clicking one did ... the $9.99 plan could not be discovered in some instances. It wasn't a figment of the imagination ... it was a real situation. Adobe has admitted as much.
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Zen8 on May 07, 2019, 01:18:52 pm
(Déjà vu ...)

Yes ... and also don't gloss over that initial promo (up until June 2014) was only for prior license holders as an incentive to move from perpetual licensing to CC ... not for new customers.

If you had never owned licensing for either Ps or Lr ... you couldn't get the $9.99 deal at all.

So new customers who purchased the Photography package never received a 'introductory' or special limited promotional pricing ... from June 2014 ... that was the full standard price.

Didn't know that but they do now. I'm pretty sure if someone paid the full price in 2104 could have contacted Adobe to make an adjustment since the $9.99 became the going rate for all. Adobe must have had poor sales with the full price of $19.99 for new customers.       
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: Zen8 on May 07, 2019, 01:25:42 pm
This morning, out of curiosity, I had a look at the US site. It took an extra click, but I found LR/PS/20Gb for $9.99/month easily enough. Maybe it is random.

Jeremy

In Canada 20GB is still the default. Adobe Added Lightroom which is the mobile version only with 1TB for $9.99. I think that is world wide.       
Title: Re: Adobe LR/PS bundle prices - V 2.0
Post by: FranciscoDisilvestro on May 07, 2019, 05:36:07 pm
I'm pretty sure if someone paid the full price in 2104 could have contacted Adobe to make an adjustment since the $9.99 became the going rate for all. Adobe must have had poor sales with the full price of $19.99 for new customers.       

Adobe is not charging two different prices for the same product or product bundle. Technically they are different products bundles, where storage changes from 20GB to 1 TB. Now, that price difference may not be attractive compared to other products such as Dropbox.
The fact that Adobe was doing test by removing the $9.99 bundle is different than saying that they had the same product with two different prices.