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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Jeremy Roussak on April 05, 2019, 03:22:25 am

Title: Rescission
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on April 05, 2019, 03:22:25 am
As we have now left turmoil behind and moved into sunlit uplands of tranquillity, I have decided to rescind the ban on political discussions (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=126087.0) in the Coffee Corner.

My previous stipulations on the contents of those discussions, concerning both etiquette (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=123677.0) and links to external sites (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=125586.0) remain and I shall enforce them rigorously.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: stamper on April 05, 2019, 04:02:56 am
Wrong decision. :'(
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: LesPalenik on April 05, 2019, 04:36:17 am
That is a courageous decision, Jeremy
With so many countries in turmoil right now, we'll need multiple discussions.

Take it away, Rob!
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on April 05, 2019, 04:46:34 am
Now that's a nice breath of adult thinking for us all, Jeremy, especially as anyone close to the Brexit situation has by now witnessed how absurd and doctrinarian political thought becomes in moments of great importance where, rather than common sense prevailing, minds revert to the tribal.

I would suggest that the only way of running such a section afresh, and keeping it graceful, would be through ruthless management where anyone at all found guilty of abusing polite conversational and behavioural ethics and norms is instantly removed from that section of LuLa. Personal attack is not ever very helpful in arguments/discussions and often betrays realization of defeat in one's own logic.

I would not ban offenders from LuLa entirely, though, because seeing red in one sphere doesn't imply that they have such a fixation in others.

Rules rule. But of course, that all demands a lot of time - yours!

Rob

P.S.

Just as I posted this, the 'phone rang, and I discover that I now have an eye appointment at the hospital for the 15th April, and may get my cataracts attended to before I am in danger of losing access to Spanish health care!
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on April 05, 2019, 07:17:37 am
I would suggest that the only way of running such a section afresh, and keeping it graceful, would be through ruthless management where anyone at all found guilty of abusing polite conversational and behavioural ethics and norms is instantly removed from that section of LuLa. Personal attack is not ever very helpful in arguments/discussions and often betrays realization of defeat in one's own logic.

Yes, Rob. Very much yes.

I hope the eye operation goes well.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Riverman on April 05, 2019, 09:04:07 am
Soon any discussion about Trump will be under humor and not politics. 
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: faberryman on April 05, 2019, 09:15:04 am
The very definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. This shouldn't last long.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: LesPalenik on April 05, 2019, 09:59:31 am
With Trump, it's never the same thing. Everyday is something new.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: RSL on April 05, 2019, 10:09:28 am
Right, Les. And with the Democrats it's always the same boring thing, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: faberryman on April 05, 2019, 10:24:24 am
With Trump, it's never the same thing. Everyday is something new.
I was referring to the moderators opening political discussion back up.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: mbaginy on April 05, 2019, 10:44:19 am
... have an eye appointment at the hospital for the 15th April, and may get my cataracts...
I wish you the best, Rob.  Yesterday I learned that I'll be having a similar appointment in about a year.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: stamper on April 05, 2019, 10:45:49 am
The bitching has started already. I wonder what it will be like in a weeks time?
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 05, 2019, 11:10:28 am
... I wonder what it will be like in a weeks time?

LuLa traffic will jump exponentially.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: LesPalenik on April 05, 2019, 11:43:07 am
I was referring to the moderators opening political discussion back up.

I know. But that's the allure of the forum to be able to take the bait and veer off somewhere else.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Frans Waterlander on April 05, 2019, 12:11:50 pm
As we have now left turmoil behind and moved into sunlit uplands of tranquillity, I have decided to rescind the ban on political discussions (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=126087.0) in the Coffee Corner.

You don't like sunlit uplands of tranquility? Well, we'll be leaving this phase behind in a hurry! Oops, we have already.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: faberryman on April 05, 2019, 12:24:06 pm
LuLa traffic will jump exponentially.
More traffic, more ad revenue.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: KLaban on April 05, 2019, 12:59:58 pm
If only all the time, effort, passion and angst of the political discussion threads was directed towards making images.

I can only dream. 
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on April 05, 2019, 01:00:54 pm
More traffic, more ad revenue.

Which all goes to keeping the Milky Way milky. I sometimes recognize the Pole Star, but mainly because it lies exactly between the edges of my building and the next, and the single position on the terrace trom which I can make a perfect alignment.

It might have been difficult taking the two buildings aboard the Niña, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. Just as well they came up with a more streamiined solution.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on April 05, 2019, 01:03:58 pm
More traffic, more ad revenue.

That may or may not be the case, but it played no part in my decision.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: amolitor on April 05, 2019, 01:14:16 pm
It may not have been noted by anybody except me (which would be a bad sign in and of itself) but the forums no longer seem to have any sponsored ads, so it's not clear that increased traffic will lead anywhere.

Still, it is probably a viable long-term business plan to simply pivot the whole thing to a right-wing conspiracy talk site. There's still good money to be made there, and photography as a web-site-money-maker looks pretty played out from here.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: rabanito on April 05, 2019, 01:39:46 pm
Must it be American politics alone or we can discuss Burkina Faso or Photographistan as well?
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 05, 2019, 01:43:51 pm
Must it be American politics alone or we can discuss Burkina Faso or Photographistan as well?

I hear Brunei is all the rage these days.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: faberryman on April 05, 2019, 01:45:54 pm
I hear Brunei is all the rage these days.
Hard to pivot to Mueller from that, but not impossible.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on April 05, 2019, 01:58:09 pm
It may not have been noted by anybody except me (which would be a bad sign in and of itself) but the forums no longer seem to have any sponsored ads, so it's not clear that increased traffic will lead anywhere.

Still, it is probably a viable long-term business plan to simply pivot the whole thing to a right-wing conspiracy talk site. There's still good money to be made there, and photography as a web-site-money-maker looks pretty played out from here.
Not only that but I've seen some threads mysteriously disappear in recent days.  I don't know why that is happening.  Much to Russ, Slobadan, and other dismay, I shall take no part in the Recission discussions.  Not much to contribute to the conversation.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on April 05, 2019, 02:20:21 pm
Yes, Rob. Very much yes.

I hope the eye operation goes well.

Jeremy

Thanks, Jeremy, but this appointment, afaik, is to make a further assessment of the condition of both eyes prior to further action which, I hope, once begun may finally be completed over two separate ops.

We shall see (no pun etc.).

Rob
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on April 05, 2019, 02:22:38 pm
I wish you the best, Rob.  Yesterday I learned that I'll be having a similar appointment in about a year.

And the best to you too! The worst thing is all the hanging about waiting for the machine to recognize you are there and need attention.

Rob
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on April 05, 2019, 02:35:29 pm
Must it be American politics alone or we can discuss Burkina Faso or Photographistan as well?


It can be anything you like until somebody in authority informs you otherwise. A problem could be that not all matteres are internationally important/interesting until it's too late,  and then they become importsnt due to those pesky ripples.

I was hoping to celebrate the raising if the barriers by launching into a frenzy over Brexit, but when it comes right down to commenting on it in any sensible manner, I see that it has moved to the other side of the looking glass...

Rob
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: faberryman on April 05, 2019, 03:12:28 pm
I was hoping to celebrate the raising if the barriers by launching into a frenzy over Brexit, but when it comes right down to commenting on it in any sensible manner, I see that it has moved to the other side of the looking glass...

I don't understand all the votes in Parliament and negotiations between Conservatives and Labour. There are only three choices on the table: the Brexit deal already negotiated with the EU (already voted down three times), no deal Brexit (also voted down), and delay, which requires the consent of all EU members. After three years of futzing around, the UK has seven days to make up its mind. Ostriches spring to mind.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Telecaster on April 05, 2019, 04:00:16 pm
"Next time, ossifer, I'll only have one drink at the bar before I drive home. I promise! Please let me go!"

-Dave-
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: RSL on April 05, 2019, 04:16:45 pm

It can be anything you like until somebody in authority informs you otherwise. A problem could be that not all matteres are internationally important/interesting until it's too late,  and then they become importsnt due to those pesky ripples.

I was hoping to celebrate the raising if the barriers by launching into a frenzy over Brexit, but when it comes right down to commenting on it in any sensible manner, I see that it has moved to the other side of the looking glass...

Robhttps://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?board=33.0

I think Jeremy made the point clearly, and Rob emphasized it in his response: Stay away from personal insults against posters. It's okay to insult politicians, most of whom are beyond insulting anyway, and it's certainly okay to resist the usual BS on fantasies such as "global warming." But posters' personalities are off limits.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 05, 2019, 04:29:51 pm
I don't understand all the votes in Parliament and negotiations between Conservatives and Labour. There are only three choices on the table: the Brexit deal already negotiated with the EU (already voted down three times), no deal Brexit, and delay, which requires the consent of all EU members. After three years of futzing around, the UK has seven days to make up its mind. Ostriches spring to mind.

If you thought it is difficult to guess, let alone know, what women want... try Britain:

- do you want to stay in EU? - NO
- do you want to leave on April 12th? - NO
- do you want a second referendum? - NO
- do you want to disregard the first one? - NO
- do you want... - NO, NO, NO!
- what the hell DO you want? - I don’t know... what do YOU want?
😂
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Chris Kern on April 05, 2019, 06:15:59 pm
Could this be the magic elixer that will entice Schewe back?  I really enjoyed his nocturnal rants about Trump.  Bastante terapéutico.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 06, 2019, 12:06:33 am
Could this be the magic elixer that will entice Schewe back?  I really enjoyed his nocturnal rants about Trump.  Bastante terapéutico.
I certainly hope so. Schewe's posts were (almost) the only ones worth reading (at least for entertainment value.)
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on April 06, 2019, 07:02:22 am
I don't understand all the votes in Parliament and negotiations between Conservatives and Labour. There are only three choices on the table: the Brexit deal already negotiated with the EU (already voted down three times), no deal Brexit, and delay, which requires the consent of all EU members. After three years of futzing around, the UK has seven days to make up its mind. Ostriches spring to mind.


The trouble, as I see it, is this: the Conservatives are apparently dominated by inner cliques of power brokers who imagine themselves still in the times of Queen Victoria, and would simply send in a gunboat, had we one frightening enough today, to settle all disputes by force. Of course, to have that fun, first they need a dispute, and as there isn't one, one has to be invented, hence the demonizing of Europe and calls for Brexit. The original call for a referendum was precisely an attempt to quell, hopefully once and for all, the inner class turmoil of the Conservative party, a risk taken because it was never seriously considered a real risk; Cameron was a man of too much faith in his people.

The voting populace is not the most highly informed one in the world. The result is a mass of adult souls looking for political leaders who just fill its head with differently-coloured promises of easy, fantasy money and jobs based on the assumption that the rest of the world needs Britain for some special, unique and usually unidentified talents that it has. The way out of having to qualify these assurances is diversion: blame somebody else, usually poorer people from abroad, willing to do work that the proud Brits find unpalatable because it's a bit tough and boring, and probably not as well-paying as are the various "benefit" schemes that experts can plough. It's never made clear who, exactly, would then fill the rôles that the migrant workers currently do. Who will offer to pick fruit and vegetables, wait on tables and slave in commercial kitchens, clean bedrooms in hotels, work terrible hours as nurses - the list is never ending? And if they think the answer to making those jobs attractive to white Brits is raising the pay grade of them, great, they must expect their own outgoings to be increased in proportion every time they go outside their home. It might come as a surprise to many voters, but governments don't have money, only the taxpayers provide it; for governments to spend it, somebody has to lose it in taxation.

So basically, voters can look upon the European concept as a threat from abroad, or as an opportunity to travel, live and work abroad if they so choose, as a right, and not something that can only be done by special invitation. This is obviously why Europe, as a concept, appeals more to the young: the young are of an age where their lives are not set in stone and they can make choices. The old and about-to-retires have no such choice unless they have saved up enough money and/or have a good enough pension plan to allow them to move to a less severe clime in which to spend their final years. Which is why there are so many retired Brits in southerm Europe: it's not so goddam cold and bleak!

May's deal is, we are told repeatedly both by the lady hersef as by the Europeans, the only consensus to which they could arrive and agree. That seems to me a statement of fact, not prelude to further arguments.

According to the government's, business and the Bank of England reports and reseach on the matter, it's the only option that is less bad than crashing out without a deal, the best of all options being the status quo.

I can think of no business that would turn its back on its existing best client in order to chase fantasy clients who have made no offers at all. Some think of the USA as a replacement client. Britain already has zillions invested in American companies; it's what the financial muscle of London was so good at doing all around the world; Brexit can emasculate that at a stroke. If anyone in the UK rust belts thinks Trump is going to break his public promise to his own rustbelts by switching work to the UK... hell, he's even holding a gun to his own industries that have branches in Mexico, right next door!

So yes, after all this time, British politicians are still messing about. Why? Because both major parties are split internally into several warring factions and neither wants to have the others win. It is not about the national interest alone, but about those political parties and conflicted political interests. That's why, in a nod to national interest they vote to make a no deal exit impossible (as if they were the only players here) but they nevertheless cannot accept the only deal available because it clashes with some of their internal political ambitions. I was going to refer to them as beliefs, but I don't think they really have any beliefs anymore.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on April 06, 2019, 12:16:48 pm
I think Jeremy made the point clearly, and Rob emphasized it in his response: Stay away from personal insults against posters. It's okay to insult politicians, most of whom are beyond insulting anyway, and it's certainly okay to resist the usual BS on fantasies such as "global warming." But posters' personalities are off limits.

Up to a point, Lord Copper*. The bar on what constitutes a tolerable personal insult is set a little higher for politicians than for members of LuLa, but it does exist. I won't regard playground abuse as acceptable no matter who the target might be.

Jeremy

* Look it up. I said it to a Judge during a hearing last year, in response to a question from him. He looked a little blank but my opponent guffawed quietly, which was gratifying.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 06, 2019, 12:56:59 pm
... The bar on what constitutes a tolerable personal insult is set a little higher for politicians than for members of LuLa, but it does exist. I won't regard playground abuse as acceptable no matter who the target might be...

I would then assume, Jeremy, should you be appointed the New York Times moderator, you would ban articles like this? ;)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/04/opinion/trump-deadly-deregulation.html

Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on April 06, 2019, 02:28:56 pm
I would then assume, Jeremy, should you be appointed the New York Times moderator, you would ban articles like this? ;)

Ha. I think one can infer more from that article about the author than about the president.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on April 06, 2019, 02:48:37 pm
Ha. I think one can infer more from that article about the author than about the president.

Jeremy

Yin and yang.

Rob
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on April 09, 2019, 09:53:24 am
Hey, I learned a new word: rescission. Had to go and look it up.

As for Brexit, it is on going, or so it seems. I remember starting a thread about it a few eons ago, it went viral, as folks would say today. Anyway, the GB was never truly inside the EU - different currency and border policies - so not sure what all the fuss is about ;D
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on April 09, 2019, 12:29:34 pm
If anyone wants to discuss a specific political topic, please start a new thread.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Ivo_B on May 16, 2019, 04:44:06 pm
As we have now left turmoil behind and moved into sunlit uplands of tranquillity, I have decided to rescind the ban on political discussions (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=126087.0) in the Coffee Corner.

My previous stipulations on the contents of those discussions, concerning both etiquette (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=123677.0) and links to external sites (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=125586.0) remain and I shall enforce them rigorously.

Jeremy

Jeremy, can you be more transparent in what changed your mind?
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 16, 2019, 04:47:35 pm
Jeremy, can you be more transparent in what changed your mind?

Who cares? Vive la liberté!
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Ivo_B on May 16, 2019, 04:50:13 pm
Who cares? Vive la liberté!

Vive la liberté

Absolutely. My freedom stops where your freedom start. And backwards, hence my question.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 17, 2019, 03:03:12 am
Jeremy, can you be more transparent in what changed your mind?

A whim.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 17, 2019, 08:55:57 am
A whim.

:D
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on May 17, 2019, 11:20:02 am
And we turned out to be a relatively harmless bunch after all!

;-)
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Ivo_B on May 17, 2019, 12:51:52 pm
A whim.

Jeremy

I was afraid you would hang up a story about vision, sustained leadership and other lies.
It does you great credit to be honest.


 ::)
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on May 17, 2019, 06:57:48 pm
It's more an indication of LuLa's increasing irrelevance.  There are only about two technical sections that get any meaningful comment these days and many of the outstanding contributors (Jeff Schewe and Jim Kasson are most notable) seemed to have moved on.  It will be interesting to see what happens when Kevin Raber's new site goes public.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 17, 2019, 07:22:01 pm
I was afraid you would hang up a story about vision, sustained leadership...

Cela va sans dire.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on May 18, 2019, 06:55:20 am
It's more an indication of LuLa's increasing irrelevance.  There are only about two technical sections that get any meaningful comment these days and many of the outstanding contributors (Jeff Schewe and Jim Kasson are most notable) seemed to have moved on.  It will be interesting to see what happens when Kevin Raber's new site goes public.


Gimme a break!

All I remember about Schewe was bad temper and political cant!

But then, to be fair, the tech pages are not for me because I am a simple photographer whose only interest in the medium is making pretty pictures. I learned the minimum I had to learn, the rest remaining over my head and beyond my concern.

To get to that happy condition, I received invaluable digital advice and help here when I needed it most.

Rob
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: petermfiore on May 18, 2019, 08:29:49 am

Gimme a break!

All I remember about Schewe was bad temper and political cant!

But then, to be fair, the tech pages are not for me because I am a simple photographer whose only interest in the medium is making pretty pictures. I learned the minimum I had to learn, the rest remaining over my head and beyond my concern.

To get to that happy condition, I received invaluable digital advice and help here when I needed it most.


Bravo Rob,

That's the way it should be. Focus on what your making, not on the how to as much. Just enough to make the work. I first learned that as a kid, and carried that thru from photography to painting.

Rob
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: RSL on May 18, 2019, 08:34:52 am
Exactly, Peter. And, having seen some of your street shots I'm sure you understand that with street, if you think, you're lost. You don't have time to diddle with the equipment or think about the rule of thirds. In most cases you have to raise the camera, frame, and shoot, or the shot's gone -- evaporated into history.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: rabanito on May 20, 2019, 10:05:59 am

But then, to be fair, the tech pages are not for me because I am a simple photographer whose only interest in the medium is making pretty pictures. I learned the minimum I had to learn, the rest remaining over my head and beyond my concern.

To get to that happy condition, I received invaluable digital advice and help here when I needed it most.

Rob


+1 to the power of 10  ;)

Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 20, 2019, 10:08:13 am
+1 to the power of 10  ;)

You do know it still equals 1, right? ;)
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: rabanito on May 20, 2019, 10:19:35 am
You do know it still equals 1, right? ;)

I remember some famous mathematician saying:
"I've found out that there are nations whose sense of humor (or lack thereof) requires raising a flag with clearly written words: "It's a joke, it's a joke." Or a smiley. "

Was it Gauss, Lobatschewski  or Blagojevic?
Missed the smiley, Slobodan?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Ivo_B on May 22, 2019, 04:27:49 am
It will be interesting to see what happens when Kevin Raber's new site goes public.

To stay in Jeremy’s world:

L’histoire se répète.

I saw it happening on several websites. Some will move to Kevin’s site and some will remain.
If the gear geeks move on, it looks not good for Lula, because it are the gear geeks who spend money, not the art loving philosophers.

Lula forum will dry out and at a certain moment the cost to maintain the forum will be to much for the tangible and non tangible benefits.

The site owner will decide to kill the forum and focus on sponsored reviews and articles, trying to get revenu out of this. Soon it will become obvious that Lula without his enlightened leader or the beholders of his legacy is ideologically death and the site will be brought back to a low maintainable relic of the past, or abrupt disappear.

Or maybe it will be different.
 ;D



Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: Rob C on May 22, 2019, 06:45:56 am
To stay in Jeremy’s world:

L’histoire se répète.

I saw it happening on several websites. Some will move to Kevin’s site and some will remain.
If the gear geeks move on, it looks not good for Lula, because it are the gear geeks who spend money, not the art loving philosophers.

Lula forum will dry out and at a certain moment the cost to maintain the forum will be to much for the tangible and non tangible benefits.

The site owner will decide to kill the forum and focus on sponsored reviews and articles, trying to get revenu out of this. Soon it will become obvious that Lula without his enlightened leader or the beholders of his legacy is ideologically death and the site will be brought back to a low maintainable relic of the past, or abrupt disappear.

Or maybe it will be different.
 ;D


You may be right.

I made a similar point in the thread about the anniversary of Michael's death.

As said at the writing, I have no inside track from which to extrapolate, just hunch and gut feeling. There may be problems around the corner if the tech. stuff that many readers crave slows down simply because the market slows down; you can't write about new gear if there ain't any, but then as many of us already enjoy writing about gear we don't have, there may be mileage in theoretical gear we would like if we could afford it.

If there's a common thread to the few photography websites I frequent - used to be three, but now down to two - then I think it's that not many people write about the art, or what you described as the philosophy of photography. I don't know why this is. The opposite is true for me, and I enjoy reading/watching interviews with people I respect and whose pictures excite me. I think I've read every Sarah Moon, Peter Lindbergh, Hans Feurer and Deborah Turbeville interview out there on the Internet! The ones in LuLa I can no longer access, and truth to tell, none of them were with people for whose work I can find any interest.

It's a tough call for survival after the novelty wears off, and new, interesting blood doesn't appear to feel inclined to join in to replace those gone.

Today, I thought of looking for French PHOTO on the Internet, found it, and realised that it seems to have shrunk down to six issues a year; when I bought it, I think it did ten per annum. Also, it gives me the impression of having become totally sex based. It used to have a reasonable supply of fashion/pin-up stuff, but as far as I can see there's now little else. Tellingly, the 'amateurs' issue seems to be still going strong, which kinda indicates the perpetual dream of folks turning pro, now more difficult than ever, when you consider that publications like PHOTO itself are printing fewer times a year.

Yes, if Michael ran LuLa for fun, then I guess that's where it may end up again, but who knows?
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: BrianVS on September 14, 2019, 09:21:56 pm
It's been a few months since I logged in, wanted to see how the forum is evolving under new leadership.

Most of the activity seems to be political, and very nasty.

I read this on a closed thread:

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Re: Etiquette and political discussions
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2018, 01:33:03 pm »
Political discussions are banned everywhere on this site. I have deleted today's mini-discussion and remedied my carelessness in leaving this thread unlocked.

Jeremy
==================================================================================
That was the right choice, I see made last year- rescinding it has changed this place.

The political discussions seem to be alive, raging, and the only place that the remaining members post to.

To bad.
Title: Re: Rescission
Post by: budjames on July 28, 2020, 06:36:49 am
As we have now left turmoil behind and moved into sunlit uplands of tranquillity, I have decided to rescind the ban on political discussions (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=126087.0) in the Coffee Corner.

My previous stipulations on the contents of those discussions, concerning both etiquette (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=123677.0) and links to external sites (https://forum2.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=125586.0) remain and I shall enforce them rigorously.

Jeremy
Good! Thank you!
Bud