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Site & Board Matters => About This Site => Topic started by: BradSmith on December 13, 2018, 03:05:00 pm
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Error - image files are in the wrong place. See below
Advice - Intro says the same thing over and over and over and over again. (You're getting tired of reading "over" in this message again and again aren't you? That's how I felt about the intro)
Brad
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No mention of soft proofing? I read through it twice. Did I miss something?
Using the print adjustment panel because your "print is too dark" seems like a very (as Jeff Schewe would say) suboptimal approach.
Rand
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No mention of soft proofing? I read through it twice. Did I miss something?
Using the print adjustment panel because your "print is too dark" seems like a very (as Jeff Schewe would say) suboptimal approach.
Rand
I'm also curious if others use the print adjustment setting to "calibrate" their printer. I'm skeptical of that approach, but wanted to hear how others use that setting if at all.
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I had the same thoughts. The Proof Copy approach seems much more robust. You can apply any number of tweaks to the proof, which is set up for a specific paper and printer profile. The corrections are also saved for the next time you print that file. I think adjusting the Tone Curve is a much more elegant way to lighten the image for printing. Usually I just want to lighten the lower half of the tonal spectrum rather the across the board, which the Brightness slider would afford.
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I've never seen or heard anyone recommend using those adjustments. Isn't that why we all go to great lengths with profiling, etc, to make our prints of standard "test" images look the same on paper and on the screen.
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I'm also curious if others use the print adjustment setting to "calibrate" their printer.
I have two answers...one snarky and the other practical;
Snarky: Alain has only just recently decided that printing from Lightroom makes really good sense for a variety of reasons and so has fallen into the trap of taking an easy way out of a typical problem (even experienced by a long time printer like Alain) of predicting what an image on screen will look like on paper. Note that Alain hasn't talked much about soft proofing (which I know he at least knows about because he's seen my lectures on soft proofing) because I'm not sure he does soft proof "correctly"...so unfortunately Alain is advising use of a tool that should not be needed...(sorry Alain)
Practical: do whatever you need to do to get the final print you want and demand and if that means doing the wrong technical thing but achieves the correct result, then do what it takes.
Sadly, I won't be seeing Alain till next year so that I can sit him down and make him write "I Will Not Use The Print Adjustment Function Again" a hundred times and reconstruct him why you don't want to do that and how soft proofing solves the print is too dark problem as well as control over tone mapping and color rendering.
I soft proof every serious print I make because I want it to look as good as it can be. I don't use the Print Adjustment tool...I don't need to.
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Jeff, said it. Maybe his next article he will share his next step to printing and discover soft proofing.
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I'm also curious if others use the print adjustment setting to "calibrate" their printer. I'm skeptical of that approach, but wanted to hear how others use that setting if at all.
You should be skeptical of this hack of a slider. Unnecessary for anyone who understands how to properly calibrate their displays and understands simple color management (like soft proofing).
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Jeff, said it. Maybe his next article he will share his next step to printing and discover soft proofing.
Hasn't he already, multiple times in multiple video's on LuLa, posts on Lula and his own books?
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Hasn't he already, multiple times in multiple video's on LuLa, posts on Lula and his own books?
Kevin is referring to Alain Briot and not Jeff.
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Kevin is referring to Alain Briot and not Jeff.
Certainly not on the subject of soft proofing?
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I covered soft proofing in Part 6 of this series at Printing from lightroom part B: Templates- and soft proofing (https://luminous-landscape.com/turning-photographs-into-art-part-6-printing-from-lightroom-part-b-templates-and-soft-proofing/).
The reason I use the print adjustment slider in Lightroom is because it is the closest Lightroom adjustment to the curve adjustment I apply to my prints in ImagePrint (Colorbyte) which I use to print my work except when I print from Lightroom.
This adjustment works great, either in Lightrom or ImagePrint, even though they are not applied in the same manner. In Imageprint I apply it to the midpoint of the curve, In Lightroom I have no idea which settings the engineers have programmed in the background.
I understand this is not everyone's 'cup of tea' however I get Lightroom prints to look very close to the prints I get from ImagePrint and that is my goal.
BTW since this essay was published I received a large number of emails from photographers whose prints come out too dark regardless of how they calibrate their monitors or which profile they use. These emails said that they have to adjust the brightness of their screen image before printing, either with the print adjustment slider or with curves.
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Considering that the two print adjustment sliders do not affect the preview (part of their kludge), a video on their use and "soft proofing" should be ..... interesting ???
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Just want to add that I appreciate everyones suggestions and methods. If a good print can be made by throwing noodles at the wall then all that's needed I guess is a good bucket and sponge.
I also want to say that I'm glad this discussion has remained informative and civil. There's enough of the opposite around already.
Thanks all.
Richard