Post by: Hans Kruse on November 28, 2018, 08:59:58 am
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4853/32216527658_e1edba629d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R5S8gq)Musée de la Romanité (https://flic.kr/p/R5S8gq) by Hans Kruse (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hkruse/), on Flickr
Post by: RSL on November 28, 2018, 09:54:54 am
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 28, 2018, 11:23:06 am
Maybe not street, but there is no folder for architecture or similar...
Hi Hans,
We now have a thread: On the Streets: an open image sharing thread (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=127473.0) where a photo like this might fit. Keith Laban explained what the thread is about:
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Title says it all, an open image sharing thread for work shot on, of and around the streets. This has little if anything to do with the contentious genre Street. No rules, anything goes including RobC's pet pooch peeing against a lamp post.
P.S. Thanks for thinking of me :)
Post by: Hans Kruse on November 28, 2018, 01:28:21 pm
Hi Hans, Another technically superb photograph, but why do you think it fits the street genre rather than the landscape genre? It's perfectly static. You could wait for the same light twenty years from now and shoot the same picture, just as you could do with St. Ansel's Half Dome, which most people associate with landscape rather than with street. One of the essences of street photography is catching the world in motion. This facade doesn't move. Looks like landscape to me.
Hi Russ,
But that was my point :) That this image is not street and not landscape, so no place to publish it. If there was an architecture folder, then i would fit in there.
Btw. it was not made to be a technically superb photo. That does not interest me. If it is not interesting as a photograph it has failed.
Post by: Hans Kruse on November 28, 2018, 01:29:07 pm
Hi Hans,
We now have a thread: On the Streets: an open image sharing thread (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=127473.0) where a photo like this might fit. Keith Laban explained what the thread is about:
P.S. Thanks for thinking of me :)
I think it would be better with an architecture showcase folder :)
Post by: Ivophoto on November 28, 2018, 03:21:08 pm
I think it would be better with an architecture showcase folder :)
Can we start to elaborate on the definition?
That’s part of the fun!
Post by: Chris Kern on November 28, 2018, 06:20:10 pm
Maybe not street, but there is no folder for architecture or similar. Shooting this I was thinking of one of Slobodan's architecture pictures. Without that reference I might have shot it anyway, but that was in my mind nevertheless. Thanks Slobodan for the inspiration. It is that facade of Musée de la Romanité in Nimes, France.
Very nice, whatever its genre. And, while it does seem slightly reminiscent of the image Slobodan recently posted of the Aqua Building in Chicago, this clearly is not a derivative picture. Well done.
Hi Hans, Another technically superb photograph, but why do you think it fits the street genre rather than the landscape genre? It's perfectly static. . . . One of the essences of street photography is catching the world in motion. This facade doesn't move. Looks like landscape to me.
I'm not a purist, and all artistic definitional boundaries are to some extent arbitrary, but I think this is a fair point. "Street photography," by almost any definition of the genre, is about ephemera.
Post by: faberryman on November 28, 2018, 06:31:09 pm
"Street photography," by almost any definition of the genre, is about ephemera.I really haven't seen a definition of "street photography" outside Wikipedia. People's definitions expressed here and elsewhere differ markedly, though they are usually illustrated by simile, e.g, "street photography is like a poem", or by examples, e.g. "this photo is street" and "that photo is not street". Can you point me to a definition of street photography in some reference source that you agree with. Perhaps we could all agree to some baseline, even if we can't agree around the edges.
Post by: John R on November 28, 2018, 06:47:24 pm
I think it would be better with an architecture showcase folder :)Excellent Hans. That is my dilemma quite often. And I am sure for many others. Where to put images that don't quite fit into existing categories?
So an idea came to me, especially after Chris said LuLa is looking into reorganizing and/or streamlining the existing threads. How about creating one umbrella thread called Showcase to showcase any image that any one wants to post. Within that umbrella create sub categories where there is sufficient interest. Some we already have, such as nature, landscapes, abstracts, etc. Then there is Street, Urbanscapes, countryscapes, architecture, monochrome, black and white, People, and whatever else warrants a subthread. One if need be, for 'Others', that do not obviously fit any category, such as composites or created images. Critiques should only be for those wanting critiques. Once created it will hopefully obviate the need for hard 'definitions', notwithstanding the current disagreement on what is Street photography. Since street is already a recognized genre, there is no reason why the thread cannot simply be broadened to include Urban and/or anything related, similar to how Abstracts was broadened to include many kinds of alternate definitions of abstract.
Just some thoughts.
JR
Post by: Chris Kern on November 28, 2018, 07:12:00 pm
I really haven't seen a definition of "street photography" outside Wikipedia. People's definitions expressed here and elsewhere differ markedly, though they are usually illustrated by simile, e.g, "street photography is like a poem", or by examples, e.g. "this photo is street" and "that photo is not street". Can you point me to a definition of street photography in some reference source that you agree with.
Well, this was my attempt to define it explicitly a while back (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=125135.msg1047678#msg1047678):
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Street photography documents ephemeral, unposed interactions in public spaces between people, or between people and their surroundings, in a way that implies a narrative instead of simply depicting what was in front of the camera’s lens. The narrative may be explicit or implicit, obvious or subtle, literal or ironic, and subject to varying interpretations by different viewers. Animals or objects may take the place of people if their relationship with other elements in the photograph contributes to the narrative. Similarly, the interaction need not take place in a street or an urban environment or even outdoors.
Post by: faberryman on November 28, 2018, 07:33:35 pm
Street photography documents ephemeral, unposed interactions in public spaces between people, or between people and their surroundings, in a way that implies a narrative instead of simply depicting what was in front of the camera’s lens. The narrative may be explicit or implicit, obvious or subtle, literal or ironic, and subject to varying interpretations by different viewers. Animals or objects may take the place of people if their relationship with other elements in the photograph contributes to the narrative. Similarly, the interaction need not take place in a street or an urban environment or even outdoors.I read the thread in which your definition was suggested and only one person expressed any opinion on whether it was accurate or not. That person generally agreed with some reservation. From the others, crickets, which is telling. Thanks for trying.
Edit. While I think your definition is a good try, I think it so overbroad as to be almost meaningless. Anybody can make up a narrative about what is in essence simply a depiction of what is in front of the camera's lens. I am also troubled by the inclusion of an animal in place of a person, as now virtually every cat photo on the web falls within the definition of street photography.
Post by: RSL on November 28, 2018, 07:47:18 pm
Well, this was my attempt to define it explicitly a while back (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=125135.msg1047678#msg1047678):
Chris, Somehow I missed that one when you posted it. Too much in LuLa to read, I guess. In any case, it's the best definition I've seen in words. It describes the situation very well.
But I'll also say, again, that the way to learn what street photography is is to study the work of people like HCB who defined it -- not in words but by example.
Post by: James Clark on November 28, 2018, 08:01:28 pm
Chris, Somehow I missed that one when you posted it. Too much in LuLa to read, I guess. In any case, it's the best definition I've seen in words. It describes the situation very well.
But I'll also say, again, that the way to learn what street photography is is to study the work of people like HCB who defined it -- not in words but by example.
Ah. So it's basically porn ;)
Post by: 32BT on November 29, 2018, 12:48:19 am
Excellent Hans. That is my dilemma quite often. And I am sure for many others. Where to put images that don't quite fit into existing categories?
So an idea came to me, especially after Chris said LuLa is looking into reorganizing and/or streamlining the existing threads. How about creating one umbrella thread called Showcase to showcase any image that any one wants to post. Within that umbrella create sub categories where there is sufficient interest. Some we already have, such as nature, landscapes, abstracts, etc. Then there is Street, Urbanscapes, countryscapes, architecture, monochrome, black and white, People, and whatever else warrants a subthread. One if need be, for 'Others', that do not obviously fit any category, such as composites or created images. Critiques should only be for those wanting critiques. Once created it will hopefully obviate the need for hard 'definitions', notwithstanding the current disagreement on what is Street photography. Since street is already a recognized genre, there is no reason why the thread cannot simply be broadened to include Urban and/or anything related, similar to how Abstracts was broadened to include many kinds of alternate definitions of abstract.
Just some thoughts.
JR
I just hope they won't go overboard on the categories. We clearly need more categories than today, but i don't think it needs to be seperated into minute detail.
As single moniker for "street photography" we could perhaps use "narrative photography". That may be slightly broader, but at least it fits better with what people generally expect to see in such a category.
My preferred categories in a showcase section would go something like:
Nature
Urban
Human Interest
Narrative
Monochrome
I'm not too thrilled with that last one because of its overlap, but some people have mentioned their specific interest for it.
Post by: 32BT on November 29, 2018, 01:08:20 am
PS. Apologies to Hans for hijacking the thread.
Post by: KLaban on November 29, 2018, 03:49:49 am
I just hope they won't go overboard on the categories. We clearly need more categories than today, but i don't think it needs to be seperated into minute detail.
As single moniker for "street photography" we could perhaps use "narrative photography". That may be slightly broader, but at least it fits better with what people generally expect to see in such a category.
My preferred categories in a showcase section would go something like:
Nature
Urban
Human Interest
Narrative
Monochrome
I'm not too thrilled with that last one because of its overlap, but some people have mentioned their specific interest for it.
Whot, no Travel Atmospherics!?
Where on earth am I going to post my images?
;-)
Post by: 32BT on November 29, 2018, 04:03:14 am
What, no Travel Atmospherics!?
Where on earth am I going to post my images?
;-)
Ah, yes, we have to consult Rob about that one, but i think Leica and blad productions will be banned entirely. What's that? You own a mobile phone? Instagram...
;-)
Post by: Ivophoto on November 29, 2018, 04:04:11 am
What, no Travel Atmospherics!?
Where on earth am I going to post my images?
;-)
Why should you try to post your heavenly images on earth? The cloud is definitely a better location!
Post by: KLaban on November 29, 2018, 04:10:38 am
Why should you try to post your heavenly images on earth? The cloud is definitely a better location!
Ah, yes, we have to consult Rob about that one, but i think Leica and blad productions will be banned entirely. What's that? You own a mobile phone? Instagram...
;-)
Hehe.
Seriously, whatever the choice of categories there'll always be some bright spark questioning the compartmentalisation and complaining about images posted within those compartments.
Dat's life.
Post by: Ivophoto on November 29, 2018, 04:21:08 am
Hehe.
Seriously, whatever the choice of categories there'll always be some bright spark questioning the compartmentalisation and complaining about images posted within those compartments.
Dat's life.
Easy enough.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/39eeb84203c1f1d6e321d8413b4b47c2.jpg)
Post by: Hans Kruse on November 29, 2018, 05:42:52 am
Here is the museum building opposite to the old Roman Theatre in Nimes.
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 29, 2018, 08:58:42 am
I love your museum photo and the homage to Slobodan.
As for categories, I think some people just want something to argue about, and since politics is now verboten, they prefer to argue about "Street" versus "Landscape," etc.
If I were running things here, I would be tempted to limit the categories to two: "Photos that do something for me," and "Photos that don't do anything for me." ;)
Post by: Hans Kruse on November 29, 2018, 09:23:43 am
Hans,
I love your museum photo and the homage to Slobodan.
As for categories, I think some people just want something to argue about, and since politics is now verboten, they prefer to argue about "Street" versus "Landscape," etc.
If I were running things here, I would be tempted to limit the categories to two: "Photos that do something for me," and "Photos that don't do anything for me." ;)
Eric, you are truly a genius :)
Post by: Ivophoto on November 29, 2018, 10:13:16 am
Hans,
I love your museum photo and the homage to Slobodan.
As for categories, I think some people just want something to argue about, and since politics is now verboten, they prefer to argue about "Street" versus "Landscape," etc.
If I were running things here, I would be tempted to limit the categories to two: "Photos that do something for me," and "Photos that don't do anything for me." ;)
To make things simple we can limit to two categories. Black and White.
Post by: RSL on November 29, 2018, 10:34:53 am
Good Photo Showcase
Bad Photo Showcase
Post by: KLaban on November 29, 2018, 11:17:17 am
I think an even clearer and simpler list of categories would be
Good Photo Showcase
Bad Photo Showcase
I wouldn't like to be the judge and jury on either of those.
;-)
Post by: Chris Kern on November 29, 2018, 11:19:07 am
Bad Photo Showcase
I have thousands of these. But they're subject to a non-disclosure agreement.
Post by: RSL on November 29, 2018, 11:38:07 am
I wouldn't like to be the judge and jury on either of those.
;-)
You wouldn't have to be, Keith. You could just post away and we could argue away. At least we wouldn't be arguing about politics. 8) :)
Post by: Ivophoto on November 29, 2018, 11:38:38 am
I think an even clearer and simpler list of categories would be
Good Photo Showcase
Bad Photo Showcase
Applying some basic mathematic simplification would leave Good and Bad.
And then I hear Ennio Morricone on the background.
That brings us to 3 categories.
Bad
Good
Ugly
Post by: faberryman on November 29, 2018, 11:39:32 am
Chris, Somehow I missed that one when you posted it. Too much in LuLa to read, I guess. In any case, it's the best definition I've seen in words. It describes the situation very well.You participated in the thread so I don't know how you missed it.
Post by: Ivophoto on November 29, 2018, 11:41:56 am
You wouldn't have to be, Keith. You could just post away and we could argue away. At least we wouldn't be arguing about politics. 8) :)
I wonder, if arguing politics is prohibited. What about political arguing?
Post by: RSL on November 29, 2018, 11:44:54 am
You participated in the thread so I don't know how you missed it.
Well, golly Fab, I don't know either. I can see that though you read it you had a different problem.
Post by: John R on November 29, 2018, 12:53:57 pm
Applying some basic mathematic simplification would leave Good and Bad.Already did that. The ugly was a demon created by mirroring some images.
And then I hear Ennio Morricone on the background.
That brings us to 3 categories.
Bad
Good
Ugly
I based my suggestion on what many Camera Clubs do. Usually they have:
Landscape can be expanded to include urbanscapes or ruralscapes. Like sunsets, skylines etc.
Critiques- which we have
Nature- which we have
People- can be expanded to include anything people related, such as Street, portraits, narratives, travel, etc.
Architecture-
Monochrome- any mono color or bw image; but as seen fewer people participate, because it is already covered by other categories)
Creative (anything made or manipulated in obvious ways, such as composites, ICM, mix and match images etc.
Photographer's Choice- anything goes (this is where abstracts or non-representational would fit in.)
Theme- images based on theme announced previous year, (such as colors, clouds, narratives, three images that express something, or whatever, but not really applicable to LuLa, added just for interest)
It's a pretty good and broad based list. I would add Street/Urban or anything already popular and/or established. I think there should be some kind of order so that people can find images or know where to look for categories they are interested in reading or posting. And precisely to minimize fighting over genres. One showcase would quickly become unwieldy and people will lose interest. I have seen this on other sites.
I'm actually with Eric on this. However, I regularly toss out stuff I don't like and can't bear to look in the garbage can...delete...delete..."Are your sure"...Yes dammit!
Sorry Hans, love the museum shot.
JR
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 29, 2018, 01:57:00 pm
Within that forum, anyone can start a thread on whatever theme, genre, etc. It could be a single picture thread, or an open thread. Open threads can develop into multiple pages, just like Rob’s Without Prejudice.
Then again, why simple when we can complicate it ;)
Post by: KLaban on November 29, 2018, 02:32:02 pm
Or much, much simpler: one forum - Showcase.
Within that forum, anyone can start a thread on whatever theme, genre, etc. It could be a single picture thread, or an open thread. Open threads can develop into multiple pages, just like Rob’s Without Prejudice.
Then again, why simple when we can complicate it ;)
^
Hooray for Slobodan! Brilliantly simple, simply brilliant. 8)
But what would we argue about?
Post by: John R on November 29, 2018, 02:57:02 pm
Or much, much simpler: one forum - Showcase.Maybe we agree but are going past each other. Suppose I have image that fits into "Abstract", or any other thread, but it is no longer on the first page of showcase (or category), should I then start a new thread? Having basic categories avoids unnecessary duplication and helps and guides the poster on where to post his image. Organization is simplicity. Perhaps one Showcase but with some basic Categories on one and first page. Threads will be within them. At the very least, some threads should be permanent within a Showcase or a category, like "Without Prejudice", or Chain thread, or Abstract. Or any other important and popular threads. All should be accessible on first page of showcase and/or their respective categories. That is my idea. Nothing new or special, just a bit of reorganization. Something to consider.
Within that forum, anyone can start a thread on whatever theme, genre, etc. It could be a single picture thread, or an open thread. Open threads can develop into multiple pages, just like Rob’s Without Prejudice.
Then again, why simple when we can complicate it ;)
JR
Corrected, JR
Post by: degrub on November 29, 2018, 04:19:25 pm
;) ::) :)
Post by: KLaban on November 29, 2018, 05:15:22 pm
Maybe we agree but are going past each other. Suppose I have image that fits into "Abstract", or any other thread, but it is no longer on the first page of showcase (or category), should I then start a new thread? Having basic categories avoids unnecessary duplication and helps and guides the poster on where to post his image. Organization is simplicity. Perhaps one Showcase but with some basic Categories on one and first page. Threads will be within them. At the very least, some threads should be permanent within a Showcase or a category, like "Without Prejudice", or Chain thread, or Abstract. Or any other important and popular threads. All should be accessible on first page of showcase and/or their respective categories. That is my idea. Nothing new or special, just a bit of reorganization. Something to consider.
JR
Corrected, JR
John, threads remain on the first page due to their popularity, I doubt that would change.
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 29, 2018, 05:59:15 pm
John, threads remain on the first page due to their popularity, I doubt that would change.
True.
But you can pin certain threads to the top, which would be a liberal, PC way of doing it, or you can let the markets decide based on popularity, a conservative way ;)
Post by: James Clark on November 29, 2018, 06:22:34 pm
True.
But you can pin certain threads to the top, which would be a liberal, PC way of doing it, or you can let the markets decide based on popularity, a conservative way ;)
Which is great until markets are manipulated, at which point dead rotting sharks and Peter Lik will dominate every section of Lula ;)
Post by: 32BT on November 30, 2018, 03:46:52 am
Which is great until markets are manipulated, at which point dead rotting sharks and Peter Lik will dominate every section of Lula ;)
Still better than a free market leaving it to the (m)asses: i give you cats and other pets, flowers, and - god forbid - selfies...
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on November 30, 2018, 04:54:21 am
Hi Hans, Another technically superb photograph, but why do you think it fits the street genre rather than the landscape genre? It's perfectly static. You could wait for the same light twenty years from now and shoot the same picture, just as you could do with St. Ansel's Half Dome, which most people associate with landscape rather than with street. One of the essences of street photography is catching the world in motion. This facade doesn't move. Looks like landscape to me.
The light would be different. Not even required to wait 20 years, perhaps a few seconds, the light would be different.
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on November 30, 2018, 04:55:33 am
Hans,
I love your museum photo and the homage to Slobodan.
As for categories, I think some people just want something to argue about, and since politics is now verboten, they prefer to argue about "Street" versus "Landscape," etc.
If I were running things here, I would be tempted to limit the categories to two: "Photos that do something for me," and "Photos that don't do anything for me." ;)
Fully agree.
Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2018, 05:47:51 am
Seriously, though, it does raise my morning to see those who denigrate an orderly, natural and facilitatory cataloguing of genres do exactly the same thing; guess that as long as they do the cataloguing...
Oh well, as one can't be undemocratic, here's my idea on the listings:
1. Landscape. This would cover stuff shot from old tripod holes, and would certainly include deserts.
2. Mountains. This would include general hilly topography, including representations of huge psychological barriers one faced and overcame.
3. Rivers - Live.
4. Rivers - Dead.
(If dry, then these could, alternatively, be posted within a Financials folder; if flowing, then an easy home to be found within a Religion folder to be created later on.)
5. Architectural Atmospherics. This would embrace creative, non-literal images of the structure of the city (or small town) with emphasis on the physical structures as art, the definition of that art being at moderator discretion.
6. Street Art. This refers to photographs with emphasis on the little, minor jewels of city life, resident in the colours, juxtapositions and native appeal of objects that may or may not have an intrinsic appeal on their own, but, seen in conjunction with their surroundings, do have a charm - that certain je ne sais quoi. These images differ from those in Category 5 because they tend to focus on the micro rather than the macro dimensions of city.
7. Candid. This, reverting to an earlier definition, means photographs of people who must never be posed by the photographer in any way, including the seeking of permission to photograph. These pictures can be on an actual street or within a bar, shop or any other place that is not a domestic home, in which latter case they fall into another catatgory: Happy Snap. Candid photography must invoke a sense of excitement, surrealism, ambiguity, pathos or even of humour. It must never make the viewer ask WhyTF did anybody bother to shoot that? The jury is still out on whether dogs are allowed in the enclosure.
8. Documentary. These images cannot be posted in isolation, because they require a themed story in order to make sense. Once the theme becomes of world renown, then they can be posted on their own, their existing fame providing the required backstory that lends them place and relevance; not everyone is born to document Pittsburgh.
9. Street. This can include roadworks, damaged surfaces, complaints to local authorities etc. with potholes and damaged alloys a special subdivision closely related to Financials/Legal.
10. Monochrome. This will include any photograph, within or without a recognized genre, just as long as it is tinted in a single tone. It can also include straight black/white photographs.
11. Black and White. This is for images that resemble a previous, now-scorned purity of vision, and will originate from real, wet process black and white photographs (non-tinted) or digitally processed black and white photographs not tinted in any way. Of course, intermediate tones of grey are accepted and expected.
12. Pets. This should be divided into two viewing sections: Children; Adults Only.
13. Travel. If it would look good in a brochure selling holidays, then it's travel. This comes in two flavours: if it follows the guidelines of Sections 5 and 7, then it is travel atmospherics; if it is factual and not interpretative, then it comes into the category of Record and Document.
14. Bird. This will generally refer to images where the attention is on feathers. It must not be confused with the second part of Section 12, which is another fetish altogether.
15. Showcase. I would seriously discourage this from being included. Experience. I had one for the early part of my career, and I drove up to the studio one morning to find the glass in shards at my feet. Which was bad enough, but to find that some large fashion pictures had been stolen was something else: I didn't know whether to feel outraged or flattered. Guess another wannabe Bailey, just like I'd been, was roaming the night! Poor bugger; I hope he found what he was looking for, other than just somebody else's snaps.
16. Abstracts. This section is beyond classification. It is reserved for the confused of mind, so, clearly, anything goes.
17. Wabi-sabi. Not to be confused with the proscribed Political threads of yesteryear, the implications are all too clearly there. Let's make the world great again! Coca-Cola might adopt that as its next theme song.
18. Seascape. I left this one to the end because the sea makes some sick. Personally, I love the sea, most of all being upon it on somebody else's big yacht. Ferries: they are a sign of freedom, even if horribly utilitarian. Cruise Boats: lonely hearts safaris for older female huntresses to find desperate, older rich men as prey.
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on November 30, 2018, 06:27:18 am
Post by: KLaban on November 30, 2018, 08:11:05 am
Sad to be disappointed: I thought Nîmes was going to be about denims, and so I had a quick look only to discover a French Chicago confection.
Seriously, though, it does raise my morning to see those who denigrate an orderly, natural and facilitatory cataloguing of genres do exactly the same thing; guess that as long as they do the cataloguing...
Oh well, as one can't be undemocratic, here's my idea on the listings:
1. Landscape. This would cover stuff shot from old tripod holes, and would certainly include deserts.
2. Mountains. This would include general hilly topography, including representations of huge psychological barriers one faced and overcame.
3. Rivers - Live.
4. Rivers - Dead.
(If dry, then these could, alternatively, be posted within a Financials folder; if flowing, then an easy home to be found within a Religion folder to be created later on.)
5. Architectural Atmospherics. This would embrace creative, non-literal images of the structure of the city (or small town) with emphasis on the physical structures as art, the definition of that art being at moderator discretion.
6. Street Art. This refers to photographs with emphasis on the little, minor jewels of city life, resident in the colours, juxtapositions and native appeal of objects that may or may not have an intrinsic appeal on their own, but, seen in conjunction with their surroundings, do have a charm - that certain je ne sais quoi. These images differ from those in Category 5 because they tend to focus on the micro rather than the macro dimensions of city.
7. Candid. This, reverting to an earlier definition, means photographs of people who must never be posed by the photographer in any way, including the seeking of permission to photograph. These pictures can be on an actual street or within a bar, shop or any other place that is not a domestic home, in which latter case they fall into another catatgory: Happy Snap. Candid photography must invoke a sense of excitement, surrealism, ambiguity, pathos or even of humour. It must never make the viewer ask WhyTF did anybody bother to shoot that? The jury is still out on whether dogs are allowed in the enclosure.
8. Documentary. These images cannot be posted in isolation, because they require a themed story in order to make sense. Once the theme becomes of world renown, then they can be posted on their own, their existing fame providing the required backstory that lends them place and relevance; not everyone is born to document Pittsburgh.
9. Street. This can include roadworks, damaged surfaces, complaints to local authorities etc. with potholes and damaged alloys a special subdivision closely related to Financials/Legal.
10. Monochrome. This will include any photograph, within or without a recognized genre, just as long as it is tinted in a single tone. It can also include straight black/white photographs.
11. Black and White. This is for images that resemble a previous, now-scorned purity of vision, and will originate from real, wet process black and white photographs (non-tinted) or digitally processed black and white photographs not tinted in any way. Of course, intermediate tones of grey are accepted and expected.
12. Pets. This should be divided into two viewing sections: Children; Adults Only.
13. Travel. If it would look good in a brochure selling holidays, then it's travel. This comes in two flavours: if it follows the guidelines of Sections 5 and 7, then it is travel atmospherics; if it is factual and not interpretative, then it comes into the category of Record and Document.
14. Bird. This will generally refer to images where the attention is on feathers. It must not be confused with the second part of Section 12, which is another fetish altogether.
15. Showcase. I would seriously discourage this from being included. Experience. I had one for the early part of my career, and I drove up to the studio one morning to find the glass in shards at my feet. Which was bad enough, but to find that some large fashion pictures had been stolen was something else: I didn't know whether to feel outraged or flattered. Guess another wannabe Bailey, just like I'd been, was roaming the night! Poor bugger; I hope he found what he was looking for, other than just somebody else's snaps.
16. Abstracts. This section is beyond classification. It is reserved for the confused of mind, so, clearly, anything goes.
17. Wabi-sabi. Not to be confused with the proscribed Political threads of yesteryear, the implications are all too clearly there. Let's make the world great again! Coca-Cola might adopt that as its next theme song.
18. Seascape. I left this one to the end because the sea makes some sick. Personally, I love the sea, most of all being upon it on somebody else's big yacht. Ferries: they are a sign of freedom, even if horribly utilitarian. Cruise Boats: lonely hearts safaris for older female huntresses to find desperate, older rich men as prey.
Well, there's an hour you'll never get back.
;-)
Post by: RSL on November 30, 2018, 08:15:32 am
Post by: KLaban on November 30, 2018, 08:17:01 am
Brilliant, Rob. I think LuLa should do that. Just THINK about all the arguments we could have.
Beats making images.
Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2018, 08:31:50 am
Beats making images.
Sure does, especially when there's no pressing reason or need to make them, process them and then put them somewhere. Thank goodness HP came to the rescue and stopped supporting my printer and saved me both money and more cardboard boxes to fill! Took me a while to see it that way. When that particular penny dropped, I almost sent them a thank-you letter. That said, at least they gave me breathing space to prove to myself that you don't have to keep doing it to avoid losing it.
If it depends on something in your head and not the pressure of blood in your dick, then no worries! Nobody can steal it!
:-)
Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2018, 08:32:53 am
Well, there's an hour you'll never get back.
;-)
Keith, it wasn't doing anything better.
:-)
Post by: John R on November 30, 2018, 09:01:46 am
JR
Post by: Ivophoto on November 30, 2018, 09:01:49 am
And I bow deeply to show my respect: not one single accented character in the whole book of text!!!
Post by: Ivophoto on November 30, 2018, 09:03:04 am
. Back to posting images.
JR
Is not without out risks neither!
Post by: KLaban on November 30, 2018, 09:14:25 am
Sometimes I think some of the people on LuLa are like hawks circling the skies looking for little rabbits to pounce on. I was just suggesting that we accommodate architecture with it's own showcase, like Landscape and Street. At least 20% or more of images posted are about architecture. Although I suggested more basic categories, anticipating there may be such a need, my intent was simply to accommodate Hans and that category of images, which is substantial. The way LuLa is going there won't be many more people posting with so much nastiness. Sorry I suggested anything. Back to posting images.
JR
John, I don't see any nastiness in this thread, just folk lightening their day. :)
Post by: RSL on November 30, 2018, 09:37:07 am
As an alternative to Rob's suggestion, how about changing Street Showcase to Architectural Showcase? Everybody knows what the architecture genre is. . . well. . . don't we?
Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2018, 11:03:46 am
Hahaaaaa. Rob, you made my day. !!!
And I bow deeply to show my respect: not one single accented character in the whole book of text!!!
Just wait until I find just cause!
:-)
Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2018, 11:13:39 am
Sometimes I think some of the people on LuLa are like hawks circling the skies looking for little rabbits to pounce on. I was just suggesting that we accommodate architecture with it's own showcase, like Landscape and Street. At least 20% or more of images posted are about architecture. Although I suggested more basic categories, anticipating there may be such a need, my intent was simply to accommodate Hans and that category of images, which is substantial. The way LuLa is going there won't be many more people posting with so much nastiness. Sorry I suggested anything. Back to posting images.
JR
John, John! Hawks belong under Birds in the soon-to-be-rationalised forum slots!
Oddly enough, fifteen minutes ago, whilst walking my hour on the terrace instead of on the street (risk of imminent storm), I happened to raise my eyes from the tiles to see either a vulture or an eagle way up there in the midst of the mists. Which, considering I need specs for distances as well as having cataracts (not as in Rivers) strikes me as a quite remarkable event in an otherwise humdrum day. So far.
Malice? You gotta be kidding! It's all about altruism and providing easier navigation for all with the added value (you can get that in some sites) of avoiding subjects that bore one.
:-)
Post by: James Clark on November 30, 2018, 11:22:12 am
I do have a serious question though. I already don't know if this should have been street, ON the street, architecture, or just b&w/mono where it originally ended up, but now Rob has me thinking it really belongs in his "birds" category :(
PS - I really dig the abstracts thread.
PPS - And I love the pets too, sorry. (Not sorry)
Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2018, 11:29:58 am
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l1If6l3IRIw
:-)
Post by: KLaban on November 30, 2018, 01:47:03 pm
Malice? You gotta be kidding! It's all about altruism and providing easier navigation for all with the added value (you can get that in some sites) of avoiding subjects that bore one.
I prefer anything goes threads with no tightly defined categories, such as the following.
undefined (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=118771.0)
;-)
Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2018, 02:54:17 pm
I prefer anything goes threads with no tightly defined categories, such as the following.
undefined (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=118771.0)
;-)
Wow! That would be a tough one to which to contribute! I guess #16 material would be as close as one could get to fitting into it without a great deal of conscience searching...
:-)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 30, 2018, 11:36:15 pm
Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 02:05:29 am
Lula’s reputation for diversity and inclusion.
This are ‘the’ keywords of this year at the local psychiatric hospital.
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 04:46:55 am
Apropos Rob’s 18 “orderly, natural and facilitatory cataloguing of genres”... here is the problem: given that there are exactly 8.5 regular posters on LuLa, that would leave 9.5 threads orphans at any given time. Not good for Lula’s reputation for diversity and inclusion.
A typical accountancy mistake, closely related to the bad logic that suggests that playing the lottery is nonsensical when, as we know, somebody always ends up scooping it up. If you would like me to illustrate an example of poor, very bad logic, consider this: you join a club, stay there paying your dues for forty years or so, then, one day, in a fit of pique you decide to ask your dog for advice. The dog yawns, licks its ass and and you take that as a sign that you must quit. You hand in your resignation, then ask the Board of Directors if you can still use their car park and restrooms. They say, no, we are really sorry, but you are no longer a member, and all those privileges you enjoyed for forty years are no longer yours. You go home and shoot the dog. That is a example of poor thinking.
Now, those 8.5 regular members registering on the Richter scale - are there really so few, or is it just another cheap mathematical trick? - might well be pretty versatile souls, posting all over the place. This would render random sampling just, well, random, and not worth that proverbial, and soon to very expensive, hill of beans.
Furthermore, those activist posters make up a tiny fraction of the several hundred visitors to the site, many of whom may well start at A and read all the way through to Z, both A and Z included, whereas a dedicated visitor such as I would perhaps never do that, avoiding certain sections like the plague.
Orphan threads, unlike orphan works, still have rights, even if not active parents!
;-)
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on December 01, 2018, 05:00:22 am
Apropos Rob’s 18 “orderly, natural and facilitatory cataloguing of genres”... here is the problem: given that there are exactly 8.5 regular posters on LuLa, that would leave 9.5 threads orphans at any given time. Not good for Lula’s reputation for diversity and inclusion.
I got a bit tired of the incessant circular arguments about genres and no longer post so if this issue was not so contentious you would have 9,5 people posting. Not saying my work is so valuable and good but if it put me off it might have put others off as well and they may have quality work.
Post by: KLaban on December 01, 2018, 05:40:23 am
I got a bit tired of the incessant circular arguments about genres and no longer post so if this issue was not so contentious you would have 9,5 people posting. Not saying my work is so valuable and good but if it put me off it might have put others off as well and they may have quality work.
Martin, please, ignore the bean counters and those who seek to categorise the beans and post some more excellent work.
Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 08:22:17 am
I got a bit tired of the incessant circular arguments about genres and no longer post so if this issue was not so contentious you would have 9,5 people posting. Not saying my work is so valuable and good but if it put me off it might have put others off as well and they may have quality work.
I miss your work, Martin.
Post by: faberryman on December 01, 2018, 08:26:46 am
Martin, please, ignore the bean counters and those who seek to categorise the beans and post some more excellent work.Drawn by the name of the forum - Luminous Landscape - I came here for the landscape and related medium format discussion. I'm ambivalent about adding a bunch of categories to the galleries. But if you are going to have them, don't put anyone in charge of policing them.
Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 08:35:36 am
A typical accountancy mistake, closely related to the bad logic that suggests that playing the lottery is nonsensical when, as we know, somebody always ends up scooping it up. If you would like me to illustrate an example of poor, very bad logic, consider this: you join a club, stay there paying your dues for forty years or so, then, one day, in a fit of pique you decide to ask your dog for advice. The dog yawns, licks its ass and and you take that as a sign that you must quit. You hand in your resignation, then ask the Board of Directors if you can still use their car park and restrooms. They say, no, we are really sorry, but you are no longer a member, and all those privileges you enjoyed for forty years are no longer yours. You go home and shoot the dog. That is a example of poor thinking.
Now, those 8.5 regular members registering on the Richter scale - are there really so few, or is it just another cheap mathematical trick? - might well be pretty versatile souls, posting all over the place. This would render random sampling just, well, random, and not worth that proverbial, and soon to very expensive, hill of beans.
Furthermore, those activist posters make up a tiny fraction of the several hundred visitors to the site, many of whom may well start at A and read all the way through to Z, both A and Z included, whereas a dedicated visitor such as I would perhaps never do that, avoiding certain sections like the plague.
Orphan threads, unlike orphan works, still have rights, even if not active parents!
;-)
About bad logic....
It reminds me to a trip on a vacation in Greece.
After 4 hours driving with a Jeep we arrived at a kind of circular pavement about 25cm high.
The guide assembled the group around the brick and told use, on a sacred tone, once this was the highest Corinthian column in the world. The entire group, including myself gazed to nothing high in the sky.
After a few minutes gazing in the sky(somebody took a picture of the sky) I realized it was a ripoff to pay the 30€ for that trip and I wished I would have stayed on the pool gazing at the buttocks of pretty Greek girls.
......
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 01, 2018, 08:39:13 am
You can, of course, also post in Pink Marbles Showcase or any other thread if you happen to feel like it.
Or you can keep on bickering about genres and categories if that is more important to you than making photographs.
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Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 08:44:48 am
But if you are going to have them, don't put anyone in charge of policing them.
It will not take long until it is guarded by a voluntary topic surveillance.
Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 08:48:29 am
There are perfectly good "catch-all" categories for those of us who don't enjoy bickering about categories: User Critiques if you want critiques, and Without Prejudice if you don't want critiques.
You can, of course, also post in Pink Marbles Showcase or any other thread if you happen to feel like it.
Or you can keep on bickering about genres and categories if that is more important to you than making photographs.
[/rant]
I prefer making pictures and put them in a well choose thread to emphasize the alienating effect and give something to bicker about.
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 08:48:40 am
Drawn by the name of the forum - Luminous Landscape - I came hear for the landscape and related medium format discussion. I'm ambivalent about adding a bunch of categories to the galleries. But if you are going to have them, don't put anyone in charge of policing them.
I'm a bit ambivalent too, and having strong opinions on both -or even all - sides of every argument (because I have ever realised that no side holds the absolute moral high ground, about which ground I hold a further ambivalent view) it behoves me to think that categories are still preferable to absolute meyhem, for which a site already exists, though it appeals mainly to models - of one sort or the other. (Though of course, there may be more than two categories. You see where disorder can tempt you: to the highly enjoyable moral depths!)
I agree absolutely about having no supercop in charge. It will be a far better fate to leave that open to the self-discipline of a discerning forum of posters and earnest artists. Everybody knows how much artists love one another, stepping aside to further the career of the other at every possible opportunity. On the other hand, there's always the democratic option of holding a members' referendum, only members living in the Atacama Desert having the right to vote.
Rob
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 09:15:31 am
About bad logic....
It reminds me to a trip on a vacation in Greece.
After 4 hours driving with a Jeep we arrived at a kind of circular pavement about 25cm high.
The guide assembled the group around the brick and told use, on a sacred tone, once this was the highest Corinthian column in the world. The entire group, including myself gazed to nothing high in the sky.
After a few minutes gazing in the sky(somebody took a picture of the sky) I realized it was a ripoff to pay the 30€ for that trip and I wished I would have stayed on the pool gazing at the buttocks of pretty Greek girls.
......
I understand absolutely the value of absolutes. The tallest column is always the tallest column until it's not. There is also the problem (or value?) of relativity: is the Eiffel in Paris - une tour de très grande hauteur - less or more worthy than the younger one in Las Vegas? They are, presumably, both considered female, so all manner of subsequent relativities comes into play: the grand old dame vs the honey dripper? Place your bets, gentlemen.
But regarding your photograph of the missing column (I know it was you that shot it!) and present sky: my very most popular image - in the sense of number of sales, not bucks earned - during my years with the Tony Stone Worldwide agency in London was a Kodachrome of the Temple of Athena in Rhodes. A few columns, some blocks on the ground and weeds, and zero temple! And lots of sky, proving again the value of Bing Crosby and old cowboy songs about fences and unlimited horizons, brough back to my memory thanks to a recent post from Madrid about an English lady photographer. (I mean the photographer was a well-travelled English lady.) The Greeks were never really dumb; they even had a word for it.
As an aside on buying photographs: who would have guessed that a company would decide a travel document was actually a travel atmospheric and put it on a poster? This further complicates the problem of slots, where I guess the Grand Canyon would reign undisputedly unless those African fans of the Rift Valley were to hear about it.
Now wonder sleep can be a difficult challenge.
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 01, 2018, 09:52:58 am
... I agree absolutely about having no supercop in charge...
Who needs a cop, let alone a super cop, when we already have a George Zimmerman? ;)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 01, 2018, 10:15:37 am
I got a bit tired of the incessant circular arguments about genres and no longer post...
Hence my proposal to have only one Showcase forum, where anyone can start a thread on any subject, theme, genre, etc. The threads can be individual or open.
The already existing forum User Critiques would stay, for its specific purpose.
But, apparently, only one member has been enthusiastic about the proposal so far.
Post by: faberryman on December 01, 2018, 10:16:48 am
Who needs a cop, let alone a super cop, when we already have a George Zimmerman? ;)There are a few of those around here.
Post by: 32BT on December 01, 2018, 10:28:28 am
Hence my proposal to have only one Showcase forum, where anyone can start a thread on any subject, theme, genre, etc. The threads can be individual or open.
The already existing forum User Critiques would stay, for its specific purpose.
But, apparently, only one member has been enthusiastic about the proposal so far.
That would only work for me if the attachment images would be available as small thumbs in for example the "most recent posts" list. That way you can filter more quickly for whatever "genre" one might be interested in at that moment.
In addition, with current active contributer numbers, any solution works, but does it also "scale" well?
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on December 01, 2018, 10:49:11 am
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 11:08:48 am
Thank you to those who said they would like me to post. I assure you I didn’t comment here in order to get this reaction from people. I am a very active photographer and meet regularly with various photographers to discuss and show work and also post on my website and on Insta. My point is if one place becomes tedious or unpleasant there are so many other places more encouraging where you can go. That was what happened here.
Lighten up Martin; we're just having some verbal amusement because the pictures have hit a boring, predictable patch of vignettes, blurs, chiaroscuros, selfies, less-than-Elliott Erwitt doggies, empty mannequins in windows, chain fences, sunsets, sunrises and whatevers. The lakes are ever lakes until global warming proves the Orange One mistaken, and the mountains will outlive us all, atom bombs, migrants, walls, Russian hackers and Middle Eastern enforced proselytization notwithstanding.
Better to write and elicit response - pos or neg - that not write at all and just drift away to either a bottle or an endless sleep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsfu2EVPG8
;-)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 01, 2018, 11:21:10 am
That would only work for me if...
Were you a picky eater as a kid? ;)
Quote
... That way you can filter more quickly for whatever "genre" one might be interested in at that moment...
What is this obsession with genres and neat boxes to put them in ???????????????
I, for one, am first and foremost a photographer. Not a landscape photographer, not an architectural photographer... a photographer. Over time, I gravitated toward certain genres, landscape, cityscape, architecture. But I also shoot people, glamour, weddings (for friends), events, etc. And above all, I enjoy seeing other people’s photography, no matter which genre, as long as it is good photography.
Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 11:22:55 am
Lighten up Martin; we're just having some verbal amusement because the pictures have hit a boring, predictable patch of vignettes, blurs, chiaroscuros, selfies, less-than-Elliott Erwitt doggies, empty mannequins in windows, chain fences, sunsets, sunrises and whatevers. The lakes are ever lakes until global warming proves the Orange One mistaken, and the mountains will outlive us all, atom bombs, migrants, walls, Russian hackers and Middle Eastern enforced proselytization notwithstanding.
Better to write and elicit response - pos or neg - that not write at all and just drift away to either a bottle or an endless sleep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsfu2EVPG8
;-)
Not mentioning the overdone huge white frames.
Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 11:24:48 am
Were you a picky eater as a kid? ;)
What is this obsession with genres and neat boxes to put them in ???????????????
I, for one, am first and foremost a photographer. Not a landscape photographer, not an architectural photographer... a photographer. Over time, I gravitated toward certain genres, landscape, cityscape, architecture. But I also shoot people, glamour, weddings (for friends), events, etc. And above all, I enjoy seeing other people’s photography, no matter which genre, as long as it is good photography.
That brings us back to the two categories
Good
Bad
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 11:26:36 am
Not mentioning the overdone huge white frames.
Haven't seen many of those, yet! But I'll keep my eyes open in case I miss 'em. Never let a good genre go unremarked!
;-)
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 11:31:22 am
Were you a picky eater as a kid? ;)
What is this obsession with genres and neat boxes to put them in ???????????????
I, for one, am first and foremost a photographer. Not a landscape photographer, not an architectural photographer... a photographer. Over time, I gravitated toward certain genres, landscape, cityscape, architecture. But I also shoot people, glamour, weddings (for friends), events, etc. And above all, I enjoy seeing other people’s photography, no matter which genre, as long as it is good photography.
Ah! jack-of-all-trades; thought them to be as rare as the unicorn!
;-)
Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 11:32:10 am
Were you a picky eater as a kid? ;)
What is this obsession with genres and neat boxes to put them in ???????????????
I, for one, am first and foremost a photographer. Not a landscape photographer, not an architectural photographer... a photographer. Over time, I gravitated toward certain genres, landscape, cityscape, architecture. But I also shoot people, glamour, weddings (for friends), events, etc. And above all, I enjoy seeing other people’s photography, no matter which genre, as long as it is good photography.
You know,
When I’m spending to much time on my phone or MacBook, littering the internet, it’s really not going very well with me. I chew on to much not do-able photo projects and that destabilize my brain.
When you don’t hear from me for weeks, I have a great time with my camera (or fishing rod.... or motorcycle.... or my wife...) but at a certain moment, I have to litter the internet again with the output of that moment of creativity.....
Circles, turning in circles.
Post by: KLaban on December 01, 2018, 11:36:54 am
I tend to be active on LuLa during those periods when not off somewhere with camera in hand, so that said there's little inconvenience in doing a bit of scuttling.
;-)
EDIT: Ivo pretty much beat me to it.
Post by: 32BT on December 01, 2018, 11:42:32 am
Were you a picky eater as a kid? ;)
Not just as a kid...
What is this obsession with genres and neat boxes to put them in ???????????????
I, for one, am first and foremost a photographer. Not a landscape photographer, not an architectural photographer... a photographer. Over time, I gravitated toward certain genres, landscape, cityscape, architecture. But I also shoot people, glamour, weddings (for friends), events, etc. And above all, I enjoy seeing other people’s photography, no matter which genre, as long as it is good photography.
That's the point isn't it? I'll be the first to admit that not all of what i post belongs in that last category.
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 11:45:08 am
You know,
When I’m spending to much time on my phone or MacBook, littering the internet, it’s really not going very well with me. I chew on to much not do-able photo projects and that destabilize my brain.
When you don’t hear from me for weeks, I have a great time with my camera (or fishing rod.... or motorcycle.... or my wife...) but at a certain moment, I have to litter the internet again with the output of that moment of creativity.....
Circles, turning in circles.
I accept the circles without question: after all, they are the confused cornerstones of our craft.
Never rely on moments of creativity: creativity is a constant within one. The variable is external: it's spelled opportunity.
If you rely on "moments" as catalyst, then you will waste real and present opportunity because you await that something else, quite imaginary, to make you step out of the often preferable dolce far niente zone which is usually far more comfortable than the active alternative.
I hate to bring it up, again, but old Donovan had his finger on that truth which most don't like.
;-)
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 11:57:47 am
Not just as a kid...
That's the point isn't it? I'll be the first to admit that not all of what i post belongs in that last category.
The truth is, that recently, only the stuff coming from JNB_Rare would fit that category.
I'm afraid the rest of us are currently churning out the miles on the exercise bike in the attic, instead of pedalling away down in the street somewhere.
Hey - idea for another category?
;-(
Post by: KLaban on December 01, 2018, 12:03:27 pm
I accept the circles without question: after all, they are the confused cornerstones of our craft.
Never rely on moments of creativity: creativity is a constant within one. The variable is external: it's spelled opportunity.
If you rely on "moments" as catalyst, then you will waste real and present opportunity because you await that something else, quite imaginary, to make you step out of the often preferable dolce far niente zone which is usually far more comfortable than the active alternative.
I hate to bring it up, again, but old Donovan had his finger on that truth which most don't like.
;-)
I really wish I could find the dolce far niente zone comfortable. Sad to say it always coincides with my episodes of mind numbing boredom. Hence LuLa.
;-)
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on December 01, 2018, 12:04:30 pm
Lighten up Martin; we're just having some verbal amusement because the pictures have hit a boring, predictable patch of vignettes, blurs, chiaroscuros, selfies, less-than-Elliott Erwitt doggies, empty mannequins in windows, chain fences, sunsets, sunrises and whatevers. The lakes are ever lakes until global warming proves the Orange One mistaken, and the mountains will outlive us all, atom bombs, migrants, walls, Russian hackers and Middle Eastern enforced proselytization notwithstanding.
Better to write and elicit response - pos or neg - that not write at all and just drift away to either a bottle or an endless sleep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpsfu2EVPG8
;-)
I will try to lighten up.
You know the story about arguing with some people is like wrestling with a pig. It’s frustrating, you get nowhere and pretty soon you are exhausted and covered in mud. Then you notice that the pig is actually having fun. That’s how it feels on this forum sometimes.
Post by: Ivophoto on December 01, 2018, 12:15:49 pm
I will try to lighten up.
You know the story about arguing with some people is like wrestling with a pig. It’s frustrating, you get nowhere and pretty soon you are exhausted and covered in mud. Then you notice that the pig is actually having fun. That’s how it feels on this forum sometimes.
I’m going to print this and hang it above my desk!
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 12:51:15 pm
I’m going to print this and hang it above my desk!
Shoot the pig and mount its head on the wall instead.
:-)
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 12:52:48 pm
I will try to lighten up.
You know the story about arguing with some people is like wrestling with a pig. It’s frustrating, you get nowhere and pretty soon you are exhausted and covered in mud. Then you notice that the pig is actually having fun. That’s how it feels on this forum sometimes.
I thought only women wrestled in mud; oh well, equal opportunities, I guess.
:-)
Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2018, 01:14:48 pm
I really wish I could find the dolce far niente zone comfortable. Sad to say it always coincides with my episodes of mind numbing boredom. Hence LuLa.
;-)
I find it comfortable, but often as boring as you do, too. Comfort and boredom are not always joined at the hip but neither do they have to be in opposition. Mainly, it depends on where you happen to be doing that niente.
The other morning I sat myself down on a chair on the terrace, resting awhile after sweeping away dead leaves, incidental dust, and having bleached the chairs and table to protect myself against the germs from any nocturnal wildlife that may have leaped upon it for some reason - to address the other members of animal farm, perchance? who knows, but I have to admit, sitting there, eyes closed and head in the shade, body soaking up the sunshine (gotta get it while you can, in winter), I felt at one with my world, as content as I can be, doing precisely nothing but sitting.
It's definitely not all bad, even if it doesn't lead to LuLa fodder and another few pixels in my website.
I really am getting worried about exposure to the radiation from monitors and iPads: twice, recently, I have woken up with rows of what resembles unreadable lines of light that look like the layout shape of pages of LuLa on my brain or consciousness, whatever it is that sees what you see when your eyes are closed in the dark. This is for real.
Rob
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 03, 2018, 12:21:16 pm
What is this obsession with genres and neat boxes to put them in ???????????????
I, for one, am first and foremost a photographer. Not a landscape photographer, not an architectural photographer... a photographer. Over time, I gravitated toward certain genres, landscape, cityscape, architecture. But I also shoot people, glamour, weddings (for friends), events, etc. And above all, I enjoy seeing other people’s photography, no matter which genre, as long as it is good photography.
Speaking on behalf of the Transgenre and Proud community, thank-you for 'coming out', Slobodan. ;)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 03, 2018, 01:03:18 pm