Post by: RSL on November 25, 2018, 03:21:30 pm
Post by: Ivophoto on November 25, 2018, 05:30:15 pm
Enough for now. Perhaps that'll help make LuLa look less ignorant of what the street genre really means.
The half of what you have been dumping the last hours is mediocre. And that is not a problem or something to be ashamed of, only you should not consider yourself as a street photographer reference, because you aren’t.
If only you could leave out the know-it-all, I would be happy to cheer your attempts.
Post by: RSL on November 25, 2018, 05:41:55 pm
Post by: Ivophoto on November 26, 2018, 12:51:51 am
Ivo, if you actually could photograph even close to competently I'd be concerned about your opinion, but I don't really need to dwell on the subject. Everybody on LuLa can see your photographic shortcomings, so I'll leave it alone.
Ad verecundiam and Argumentum ad populum in one.
Post by: faberryman on November 26, 2018, 07:19:29 am
Ivo, if you actually could photograph even close to competently I'd be concerned about your opinion, but I don't really need to dwell on the subject. Everybody on LuLa can see your photographic shortcomings, so I'll leave it alone.Claiming that Ivo's photography has "shortcomings" doesn't do anything to improve the quality of the so-called street photographs you have recently posted. Casting stones while living in a glass house is generally not a winning strategy.
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 08:05:31 am
Post by: Ivophoto on November 26, 2018, 09:13:14 am
Thanks, Fab. But since Michael left us, Stamper has been the only poster on LuLa who's demonstrated serious familiarity with street and is able to be a believable critic. You certainly don't fall into that category. Keith does some very praiseworthy work, but it isn't street, and he's made clear he he's not interested in doing street. Ivo is a very loud critic, but when it's clear you have no knowledge of the subject you're trying to criticize it's pretty hard to be a believable critic.
My knowledge about the subject is beyond your understanding, Russ. I was where you are.
Another point of view is a shortcoming in your terminology. I do not accept that and I will continue challenging your negative and arrogant attitude.
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 09:24:13 am
But how about explaining this “shortcoming in [my] terminology” that you don’t “accept?” I ask this question realizing you’ll never even attempt to answer it.
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 26, 2018, 09:42:58 am
There are terms in wide use in (Painting) Art history (pointillism, for instance) whose definitions are well-accepted. Dabbing some paint on a canvas and drawing a "point" doesn't make it an example of "Pointillism."
Russ is right that Stamper regularly produces images that rightfully belong to the Street genre.
Here is one of my own photos of a piece of street. No, it certainly doesn't belong to the Street genre.
-Eric
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 26, 2018, 10:06:23 am
Post by: faberryman on November 26, 2018, 10:20:24 am
Usually, one catches more flies with honey than vinegar.Which is fine if you are interested in catching flies.
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 10:23:50 am
Usually, one catches more flies with honey than vinegar.
You catch even more if you're a Venus Flytrap or a length of flypaper. Be my guest. Catch lots of flies if that's what turns you on.
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 10:24:47 am
Russ and I can find many topics to disagree on, but about the photographic genre known as "Street," I must say that Russ is absolutely correct.
There are terms in wide use in (Painting) Art history (pointillism, for instance) whose definitions are well-accepted. Dabbing some paint on a canvas and drawing a "point" doesn't make it an example of "Pointillism."
Russ is right that Stamper regularly produces images that rightfully belong to the Street genre.
Here is one of my own photos of a piece of street. No, it certainly doesn't belong to the Street genre.
-Eric
Thanks, Eric.
Post by: Ivo_B on November 26, 2018, 10:30:22 am
Everybody with eyes to see understands your “understanding.”
Correct.
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 10:33:47 am
Post by: Ivo_B on November 26, 2018, 10:34:39 am
Glad to see that you admit it, Ivo.
I would never scoff your blindness, Russ.
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 10:38:06 am
"But how about explaining this “shortcoming in [my] terminology” that you don’t “accept?” I ask this question realizing you’ll never even attempt to answer it."
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 26, 2018, 10:56:06 am
Which is fine if you are interested in catching flies.
That’s a cutesy comeback, but other than that, it is inane. The true meaning of that saying has nothing to do with flies, as I am sure you already know.
Post by: Ivophoto on November 26, 2018, 10:58:35 am
And, as usual, you haven't answered this:
"But how about explaining this “shortcoming in [my] terminology” that you don’t “accept?” I ask this question realizing you’ll never even attempt to answer it."
I’m not in to your fallacies. That is why.
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 11:02:11 am
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 26, 2018, 11:10:04 am
Post by: Ivophoto on November 26, 2018, 11:21:26 am
Russ, you might want to take into account that English is not Ivo’s mother tongue and that “what it means” might be lost in translation.
Thanks Slobodan, you are correct, I need to be more careful in putting text on the forum.
Let me rephrase:
You consider someone point of view as a shortcoming. The word ‘Shortcomings’ is your vocabulary to describe somebody’s point of view.
Using the word ‘Shortcoming’ is your way of expressing you can not deal with something you don’t get.
And if you don’t understand it, I can repeat it in the four languages I actively use in daily life. (with some shortcomings).
but what is the use of candle and glasses. .........
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 11:24:51 am
Post by: Ivophoto on November 26, 2018, 11:37:37 am
That's okay, Ivo. I accept your apology.
You are priceless. I bet you had a main role as butler in a ‘90 sitcom
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 01:46:27 pm
Russ, you might want to take into account that English is not Ivo’s mother tongue and that “what it means” might be lost in translation.
By the way, Slobodan: if you're not fluent enough in a language to understand what you're saying and to argue the points you're trying to make, you really ought to just shut up and listen. You might even learn something that way.
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 26, 2018, 01:48:40 pm
Post by: Ivo_B on November 26, 2018, 02:00:48 pm
By the way, Slobodan: if you're not fluent enough in a language to understand what you're saying and to argue the points you're trying to make, you really ought to just shut up and listen. You might even learn something that way.
Really? This is pathetic.....
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 02:03:14 pm
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 26, 2018, 02:04:05 pm
People speaking two languages - bilingual
People speaking one language - Americans
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 02:18:20 pm
Post by: Rob C on November 26, 2018, 02:44:13 pm
It's telling that the understanding of the terminology comes from us older cats. Of course, being older must make us wrong, never mind the fact that we saw it happening fairly soon in the game, often before some of our young Turks were born.
It's as if sombody comes up with American football but insists on calling it soccer. How odd, and how unfortunate for the fresh faces who only manage to defeat their own enjoyment of photography by the attempted forcing of their square pegs into older round holes. You'd be forgiven for thinking that old tripod holes were sin enough.
But hell, what does it matter - it's all going down the tubes anyway.
You see? Positivity is my middle name!
:-)
Post by: Ivo_B on November 26, 2018, 03:03:03 pm
Interesting, though, how you can get along pretty well in English most places in the world unless you go into the back country. I know -- knew -- enough Thai to get around town, but most people I dealt with had at least a basic grasp of English -- even in the back country there'd be somebody able to communicate.
Communicate as in 'shut up and listen', private Russ? ;)
Post by: Ivo_B on November 26, 2018, 03:12:17 pm
Really! It's what you need to do, Ivo.
What I'm going to do, Russ, is keep posting pictures and starting topics, feel free to continue your pathetic one man quest against everything not according to the rule of Russ.
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 03:29:45 pm
Post by: faberryman on November 26, 2018, 03:32:19 pm
Ivo, I’m going to ignore your insults, but only because Slobodan is sure you don’t understand English, so it’s clear you have no grasp of what you’re saying. Come to think of it, that's been obvious ever since you jointed LuLa.jointed? English?
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2018, 03:33:28 pm
Post by: Ivophoto on November 26, 2018, 04:04:52 pm
Ivo, I’m going to ignore your insults, but only because Slobodan is sure you don’t understand English, so it’s clear you have no grasp of what you’re saying. Come to think of it, that's been obvious ever since you joined LuLa.
Poor man.
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on November 26, 2018, 04:13:55 pm
Jeremy