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Title: Durham cathedral
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on November 12, 2018, 11:08:02 am
Thanks for this article, enjoyed it very much.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Ian99 on November 12, 2018, 12:22:43 pm
Please correct the spelling.
This is an unusually well written article accompanied by nicely taken pictures which, in my mind, is ruined by the use of the words “Naïve” and “Quire” instead of Nave and Choir.
I know how to spell English and have photographed many churches. My religious contacts, most of whom are uptight PITAs all balked at those spellings.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: john beardsworth on November 12, 2018, 01:26:55 pm
Please correct the spelling.
This is an unusually well written article accompanied by nicely taken pictures which, in my mind, is ruined by the use of the words “Naïve” and “Quire” instead of Nave and Choir.
I know how to spell English and have photographed many churches. My religious contacts, most of whom are uptight PITAs all balked at those spellings.

Agree. Nave comes from the Latin for boat/ship and has nothing to to with “Naïve”. "Quire" is obscure but acceptable, given that the cathedral uses it, though it isn't great for comprehension. I don't think I've ever heard it used elsewhere.

Durham's ban on non-commercial photography is quite recent - a couple of years ago. In most English cathedrals you can use a tripod for a small fee.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: jeremyrh on November 12, 2018, 04:08:05 pm
Please correct the spelling.
This is an unusually well written article accompanied by nicely taken pictures which, in my mind, is ruined by the use of the words “Naïve” and “Quire” instead of Nave and Choir.
I know how to spell English and have photographed many churches. My religious contacts, most of whom are uptight PITAs all balked at those spellings.

I baulked at your spelling of balk(*) :-)








(*)  yes, I know balk is also correct - I was making a joke!
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 12, 2018, 06:34:01 pm
I baulked at your spelling of balk(*) :-)








(*)  yes, I know balk is also correct - I was making a joke!
The I guess your balk is worse than your bight.   8)
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Ray Harrison on November 12, 2018, 07:13:54 pm
This sparked a memory from the several times I've been to Durham Cathedral and the whole Choir vs Quire thing. This is a remarkable space that has to be seen to be believed, but that aside, I first saw the word Quire mentioned there on a tour - I remember running out to look it up. Here's an interesting link for those who are interested.

https://www.durhamworldheritagesite.com/architecture/cathedral/intro/quire

Cheers,
Ray


Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: luxborealis on November 12, 2018, 07:21:41 pm
This sparked a memory from the several times I've been to Durham Cathedral and the whole Choir vs Quire thing. This is a remarkable space that has to be seen to be believed, but that aside, I first saw the word Quire mentioned there on a tour - I remember running out to look it up. Here's an interesting link for those who are interested.
https://www.durhamworldheritagesite.com/architecture/cathedral/intro/quire
Cheers,
Ray

Right on, Ray. QUIRE is the correct spelling. And Durham is a spectacular cathedral.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on November 13, 2018, 02:58:02 am
The I guess your balk is worse than your bight.   8)

"A man who would make so vile a pun would not scruple to pick a pocket"

Samuel Johnson (or someone else)

Jeremy
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 13, 2018, 08:08:54 am
"A man who would make so vile a pun would not scruple to pick a pocket"

Samuel Johnson (or someone else)

Jeremy
So that's why you've been keeping your distance from me lately.   ;)
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Ian99 on November 13, 2018, 09:47:10 am
In real English, a naïve Durham quire boy is an unsophisticated lad from that town who counts sheets of paper. The use of Naïve for Nave is flat-out wrong, and Durham’s use of the archaic word “quire”, reeks of affectation and as John B says “it isn’t great for comprehension”. Although it has to be said that institutions like Durham cathedral are not known for leading comprehension.

Next you will be telling me that the article was shot with a Leica lense.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: faberryman on November 13, 2018, 10:34:26 am
Next you will be telling me that the article was shot with a Leica lense.
If I remember correctly (the OP seems to have deleted his original post with the link to the article), it was shot with a 50mm Leica lense, which is an odd choice of focal length for cathedral photographs. Perhaps it was the only one he had.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on November 13, 2018, 12:42:58 pm
If I remember correctly (the OP seems to have deleted his original post with the link to the article), it was shot with a 50mm Leica lense, which is an odd choice of focal length for cathedral photographs. Perhaps it was the only one he had.

He's not deleted anything: the original article was published here (https://luminous-landscape.com/taking-a-portrait-of-a-cathedral/).

Jeremy
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Ian99 on November 14, 2018, 11:35:48 am
Bange heade againste walle.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: jeremyrh on November 14, 2018, 12:46:34 pm
The most archaic part of the article is reference to British Rail :-)

Otherwise, always interesting to read someone else's view of somewhere you know well.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on November 15, 2018, 06:23:21 am
As the starter of this thread, I am surprised that folks miss the forest (article plus photos) for the tree (spelling corrections).
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: john beardsworth on November 15, 2018, 07:02:42 am
As the starter of this thread, I am surprised that folks miss the forest (article plus photos) for the tree (spelling corrections).

Why? Isn't one's appreciation of a fine landscape photo spoiled when the photographer hasn't corrected a lot of obvious sensor dust spots?
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on November 15, 2018, 08:27:28 am
I enjoyed reading the article as well.  However there is this statement, "To simplify, my camera generally takes better B&W photos than a color camera does..." referring to the Leica monochrome camera.  I think this has been shown not to be the case and one can get wonderful monochrome images from 'standard' digital cameras with proper processing.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on November 16, 2018, 04:55:18 am
Why? Isn't one's appreciation of a fine landscape photo spoiled when the photographer hasn't corrected a lot of obvious sensor dust spots?

What a strange comparison...
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: john beardsworth on November 16, 2018, 05:52:13 am
What a strange comparison...

I would have thought it was perfectly obvious. As a native English speaker (maybe that is our difference?) that was my feeling as I read the entire article and kept stopping at the words "Naïve" and "Quire". Huh, is that deliberate, does it mean something I should understand, was it indeed American English, or is it the curse of dictation software? Once or twice, no big deal, but this print was covered with uncorrected naïves and dozens of quires which may have belonged in the scene but still looked like dust spots too. Puzzlement doesn't usually aid comprehension or enhance appreciation.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Ian99 on November 16, 2018, 09:41:51 am
I fully concur with John B.
In this Article the pics are good but the text is very good and that is unusual for articles published here. I enjoyed the text apart from the two words mentioned above.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: john beardsworth on November 16, 2018, 10:18:11 am
I did really like the article and intend no disrespect to its author. In fact, quire is quite a nice spelling - I'm glad to have learnt it!
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on November 16, 2018, 10:35:51 am
I would have thought it was perfectly obvious. As a native English speaker (maybe that is our difference?) that was my feeling as I read the entire article and kept stopping at the words "Naïve" and "Quire". Huh, is that deliberate, does it mean something I should understand, was it indeed American English, or is it the curse of dictation software? Once or twice, no big deal, but this print was covered with uncorrected naïves and dozens of quires which may have belonged in the scene but still looked like dust spots too. Puzzlement doesn't usually aid comprehension or enhance appreciation.

I see your point, it ended up distracting you. As Portuguese, with a good comprehension of English, I found the "strange" words (and the explanation of their origin) provided and extra motive of interest. And in good agreement with the medieval topic.
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: edwardoo on April 15, 2019, 01:16:26 pm
The most archaic part of the article is reference to British Rail :-)
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: edwardoo on April 17, 2019, 02:09:43 pm
I would have thought it was perfectly obvious. As a native English speaker (maybe that is our difference?) that was my feeling as I read the entire article and kept stopping at the words "Naïve" and "Quire". Huh, is that deliberate, does it mean something I should understand, was it indeed American English, or is it the curse of dictation software? Once or twice, no big deal, but this print was covered with uncorrected naïves and dozens of quires which may have belonged in the scene but still looked like dust spots too. Puzzlement doesn't usually aid comprehension or enhance appreciation.
i agree
Title: Re: Durham cathedral
Post by: John R on April 17, 2019, 11:04:13 pm
Thanks for this article, enjoyed it very much.
For some reason I can't find this article you mention. the search feature does bring it up. So where can I find Durham Cathedral article?

Thanks, JR