Luminous Landscape Forum
The Art of Photography => Landscape Showcase => Topic started by: Vieri Bottazzini on June 20, 2018, 03:49:42 am
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An incredible sunrise at Podere Belvedere, photo taken during a Workshop I led in Tuscany (Italy) in November 2017. Leica SL, Leica Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-90mm and filters Formatt-Hitech Firecrest.
(https://vieribottazzini.com/wp-content/uploads/SL2_1294.jpg)
Thank you for viewing, best regards
Vieri
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Incredible indeed.
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Vieri, you never disappoint!! I really like the quality of the light on the ground portion of the shot.
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Whatever the crop, it's incredible.
Well done.
Thierry
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Another joy to look at with the sublime light on the land. Ken
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Incredible? This looks like a poor effort at processing an image. Very false.
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Are you two (Slobodan & Cornfield) looking at the same image I am? There's a magenta tint for sure, but I can't say I've never seen such a thing in real life.
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James Clark the sky is hideously over processed and the image in general looks false.
But as we are no longer allowed to call spade a spade without upsetting a moderator I think its time to leave this place.
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But as we are no longer allowed to call spade a spade without upsetting a moderator I think its time to leave this place.
You may leave or stay, as you wish; but if you stay, you must express yourself with courtesy.
Jeremy
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Vieri
Can you show us what the image looked like before you processed? I'm asking because while the image is interesting it just does not feel right to me.
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Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked.
Lord Chesterfield
(1694 - 1773)
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I’m sure as long as we are polite we can express an opinion. I am also not comfortable with the processing. Looks like to much shadow recovery for starters and a bit too much vibrancy and or saturation. Depending on what software was used to process the image, I’m sure you all get my drift.
I usually find Vieri’s images very impressive even if not to my personal taste but this one not so much. I do of course acknowledge that if something is not to my taste it doesn’t make it weak or bad.
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In retrospect, and given that this is a showcase forum, my tone was indeed out of line, and I decided to remove my posts (Jeremy, if you wish, you can remove my quote from your response as well). Looks like, in my struggles with my inner Simon Cowell, he won this time ;)
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In retrospect, and given that this is a showcase forum, my tone was indeed out of line, and I decided to remove my posts (Jeremy, if you wish, you can remove my quote from your response as well). Looks like, in my struggles with my inner Simon Cowell, he won this time ;)
That is never a Good Thing. Thank you. I have removed my response.
Jeremy
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Controlling ones Cowell is commendable :-)
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Controlling ones Cowell is commendable :-)
Can I buy an inner Simon Cowell from B&H? And does it come with all necessary controls? ???
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I'm late in the party but I can only add praises to the above comments… Late fall or early winter is also a good season for photography in Val d'Orcia.
Bravo!
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Incredible indeed.
Thank you very much Paulo, glad you enjoyed it! :)
Vieri, you never disappoint!! I really like the quality of the light on the ground portion of the shot.
Thank you very much indeed Kevin, glad you enjoyed the light! :)
Whatever the crop, it's incredible.
Well done.
Thierry
Thank you very much Thierry, glad you liked it! :)
Another joy to look at with the sublime light on the land. Ken
Thank you very much indeed Ken, glad you enjoyed the light! :)
Vieri
Can you show us what the image looked like before you processed? I'm asking because while the image is interesting it just does not feel right to me.
Hello Rory, sorry that the image didn't feel right to you. I am perfectly fine with my interpretations not being to everyone's taste, no problems at all - however, I have to respectfully say no to your question, I never show my unprocessed raw. Sorry about that :)
Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked.
Lord Chesterfield
(1694 - 1773)
Very well said. Let me add this, since we are quoting: "Rudeness is a weak imitation of strength", Eric Hoffer (Philosopher, 1902 - 1983)
I’m sure as long as we are polite we can express an opinion. I am also not comfortable with the processing. Looks like to much shadow recovery for starters and a bit too much vibrancy and or saturation. Depending on what software was used to process the image, I’m sure you all get my drift.
I usually find Vieri’s images very impressive even if not to my personal taste but this one not so much. I do of course acknowledge that if something is not to my taste it doesn’t make it weak or bad.
Hello Martin, thank you for your comment, much appreciated indeed. No problems at all with not liking the photograph, that's absolutely fine, and I thank you for expressing your opinion with such grace. About your qualms, there is no shadow recovery done, at all. I used a Grad ND filter at the time of shooting though, to balance the difference in luminance between the sky and the ground, since I was shooting against the sun. I also don't use vibrance nor saturation, I never liked the results they provide. I process my images in Camera Raw using various brushes, and finish them in PS CC.
I also very much appreciate your acknowledgement of your opinion being just that, a person's opinion, and not holding any universal value: that is exactly right, and I wish that everyone shared your approach to viewing other people's work and to critique. At the same time, I am perfectly aware that my photographs cannot please everyone, and that while (luckily for me) there are many who liked them, there always will be someone who does not. And I am perfectly fine with it, of course: I hope my next proposal will be more to your liking! :)
I'm late in the party but I can only add praises to the above comments… Late fall or early winter is also a good season for photography in Val d'Orcia.
Bravo!
Thank you very much indeed Francois, I am glad you enjoyed it! :)
Best regards,
Vieri
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Vieri Bottazzini,
Thanks for sharing your beautiful picture of the sunrise, I recognize the work in creating such a picture.. no, it's an image. This image is your creation which is what elevates from a 'point- and shoot' to a one-of-a-kind
creation. Your replies to the opinions expressed in this topic were perfect. They respect others opinions and were a constructive exchange between the creator of the work and those who viewed it. May we continue to learn from each other, the image we create together is always greater than the sum of its parts. (OK...most of the time!).
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Vieri Bottazzini,
Thanks for sharing your beautiful picture of the sunrise, I recognize the work in creating such a picture.. no, it's an image. This image is your creation which is what elevates from a 'point- and shoot' to a one-of-a-kind
creation. Your replies to the opinions expressed in this topic were perfect. They respect others opinions and were a constructive exchange between the creator of the work and those who viewed it. May we continue to learn from each other, the image we create together is always greater than the sum of its parts. (OK...most of the time!).
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What our newbie said!!!
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Vieri Bottazzini,
Thanks for sharing your beautiful picture of the sunrise, I recognize the work in creating such a picture.. no, it's an image. This image is your creation which is what elevates from a 'point- and shoot' to a one-of-a-kind
creation. Your replies to the opinions expressed in this topic were perfect. They respect others opinions and were a constructive exchange between the creator of the work and those who viewed it. May we continue to learn from each other, the image we create together is always greater than the sum of its parts. (OK...most of the time!).
bgberlin01, thank you very much for your comment, that is much appreciated indeed! I am glad you enjoyed the image, and I completely agree with you about the learning value of keeping exchanges on a constructive and respectful level. When it comes to any artistic expression, it is certainly possible (in fact, it is desirable) to have different opinions, and it is through the exchange and discussion of these opinions that we grow.
I have been teaching art at college (grad / post-grad level) for two decades, both individually and in classroom settings. IMHO and in my experience, it is extremely important to always remember that when it comes to artistic expression there never is "right or wrong", and that nobody carries anything remotely resembling "absolute truth" in their pockets: there are just different opinions, more or less informed. Artistic growth results from the exchange of such opinions, so that our own opinion can become more and more informed, better informed, better grounded, and so on; this way, on the next exchange we will start from a "more informed" point than we did on the previous exchange, thus promoting growth, both our own and that of others. To do so we have to keep an open mind to other people's artistic proposals and to other people's opinions, provided they are grounded and clearly thought of, and the more so the more they differ from our own. Then we can go home and think about it, filtering what works for us and applying it to our work the next time.
I believe that a teacher's job is to offer as much information as possible, while never hiding one's ideas, opinions and preferences of course, but at the same time while being able to recognise the artistic value of proposals different from one's own (and this can prove very difficult because it often crashes against one's ego), while a student's job is to try and absorb everything he gets is touch with, and use all that information to create his own aesthetics and work, without being a copycat or mirroring the work of others.
Artistic growth never happens by forcefully trying to shove some self-perceived "truth" down the throats of others, and believe me have I seen that being tried in Academia without much success at all. That approach at best results in creating small clones of a teacher's artistic views (no progress and no individual expression at all in that!), and at worst it results in totally pushing someone away from its own art, often to the point of quitting. What most people don't see is that we don't have to forcefully "convince" anyone about the rightfulness of our artistic views, since if our artistic views are strong enough, they will not need any other force but their own to enter people's mind and find their home there. This is what I believe and what I teach. Artistically, I try to get my students to become their own man, to foster their individuality, to believe in their art and work every day to improve it by never stop studying and progressing. On my end, I try and apply these same principles to myself: to do so, I listen to everyone, always, provided they offer their opinions respectfully and in a constructive manner. So, I listen to everyone here on forum, to my Alumni during my workshops, to my dealers and to my customers, to my partners in crime, to everyone: I do so hoping that if there is someone who doesn't like my work, and whose reasoning make sense, I will be able to learn something from her or him, whomever he is and whichever level he is at.
My photography is not descriptive, nor documentary. I am not interested in realism in photography. My photography is interpretative Fine Art Landscape Photography: I know that this approach to photography is not universally accepted by other photographers holding a different vision and a different approach to our craft, and I completely respect that. That said, everything in my images is exactly how I want it to be at the time of creation, even though - with time - my aesthetics can (and do) change, and it is with such change that (I believe) my work evolves.
Thank you very much for offering me the spark to talk about aesthetics and vision, and for being so positive and constructive in your comment! :)
What our newbie said!!!
Indeed! :)
Best regards,
Vieri
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That is an excellent artist/teacher's statement, Vieri. Thanks for expressing it so well.