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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Digital Image Processing => Topic started by: Rajan Parrikar on June 06, 2018, 11:42:39 am
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The old bug in Color Efex Pro has not been fixed. If you have it set to apply the effect on a separate layer, it crashes (I'm on the Mac).
Update: I reported the bug to DxO (including details of my system - latest macOS) and they sent me an updated link to download and re-install. I just tested it and looks like they fixed the problem.
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Have they changed anything?
I have used nik for years- long before google got involved.
I am on win10, latest photoshop cc version.
My old plug ins work fine, just like always.
I am wondering if there is any reason to upgrade?
I will wait and watch .
Gary
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Have they changed anything?
I have used nik for years- long before google got involved.
I am on win10, latest photoshop cc version.
My old plug ins work fine, just like always.
I am wondering if there is any reason to upgrade?
I will wait and watch .
Gary
I've been using Viveza 2 and Silver Efex Pro 2 for years now under Windows and never actually encountered a bug with these two plugins.
My main complaint is that Viveza and Silver Efex don't scale properly on a 4K display - but that's a minor issue for me, as I simply use the Win 10 magnifier when working with the plugins.
I have downloaded the new free 30 day trial version from DxO - unfortunately the scaling issue has not been fixed.
As long as that is the case, I will keep using the Google collection.
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The crash when re-editing a smart object in PS CC18 under High Sierra (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=124723.msg1043586#msg1043586) seems to have been fixed.
Jeremy
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The old bug in Color Efex Pro has not been fixed. If you have it set to apply the effect on a separate layer, it crashes (I'm on the Mac).
You should report your specific configuration to DxO - I'm on a MacPro, Sierra (10.12.6), PS CC2018 and have it set to apply to a separate layer and no crash here. Running the demo of the DxO version to which you linked.
Kirk
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Update: I reported the bug to DxO (including details of my system - latest macOS) and they sent me an updated link to download and re-install. I just tested it and looks like they fixed the problem.
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Just beware that when the new DxO version is installed the Google version is deleted.
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Update: I reported the bug to DxO (including details of my system - latest macOS) and they sent me an updated link to download and re-install. I just tested it and looks like they fixed the problem.
Glad to hear it works for you now.
kirk
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I also use the old collection and like it. I haven't really had any significant issues, although I think I have seen the scaling one even though my monitor isn't 4k.
For $50 with a perpetual license (my kind of license - yay!) I might just get it to stay current and support it's resurrection.
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I love Silver Effex and Color Effex and use them almost daily but they seem to work for me in their current form.
Like many others I was delighted to hear that DXO bought the Nik plugins and planned to improve them. Like many others I expected to pay for them (though I paid for the set in the pre-Google days). Like many others I had great expectations that the paid version would have some real improvements. Like many others, I am a bit disappointed that there are really no significant improvements at all, as best I can tell from reading things on the web. For starters, a targeted adjustment tool would be a welcome addition; it is one of the best features of Lightroom and Photoshop. I could go on and there will doubtless be others who disagree, but with all the reported financial issues, perhaps they are hoping for a cash infusion to get the ball rolling. I wish them well but am not prepared to pay for the current offering.
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Just beware that when the new DxO version is installed the Google version is deleted.
Not if you rename your original Nik Collection folder first.
Jeremy
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My impression is that the first release of the plug-ins under the DxO name was basically a rebranding (logos, etc.) and some fixes to the most glaring incompatibilities and crashes. While the last Google version appears to work on most modern OS and PS combinations, paying a small amount for a supported product is probably worth the investment if you use the applications significantly. I paid full price back in the day for all of them when the U-point tech first came out so, to me, DxO's current offering is very reasonable.
kirk
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One major issue with silver eFex that I hope is fixed is the inability to work with high res files, such as those of my H6D-100c or panoramic stitches.
I don't know the exact limit, but it sure doesn't work with 100 megapixel files with the latest Google version of OSX.
Cheers,
Bernard
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I'll pass until they actually add something new. I will not pay for a bug fix release as these releases should be free. My current google version runs just fine.
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Update: I reported the bug to DxO (including details of my system - latest macOS) and they sent me an updated link to download and re-install. I just tested it and looks like they fixed the problem.
Rajan, can you post the updated link?
Jeremy
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Rajan, can you post the updated link?
Jeremy
Mac: https://download-center.dxo.com/nikcollection/v2018/Mac/DxO_Nik_Collection.dmg
Win: https://download-center.dxo.com/nikcollection/v2018/Win/DxO_Nik_Collection.exe
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One major issue with silver eFex that I hope is fixed is the inability to work with high res files, such as those of my H6D-100c or panoramic stitches.
I don't know the exact limit, but it sure doesn't work with 100 megapixel files with the latest Google version of OSX.
Cheers,
Bernard
The DxO version of Silver Efex seems to solve the issue of >100MPx images you have - I just opened a Canon 5DIV image and upres'ed it to 14000 px on the long edge (~9000 px on the short edge). It was a JPEG so I didi the test as an 8bit file and then changed the mode to a 16bit file and repeated the test. Both files were able to be sent to Silver Efex, edited and sent back as a new layer. It was not blazingly fast on the front end (opening and preprocessing the image into the Silver Efex interface) or the back end (processing and saving the image from Silver Efex back to PS) but it worked. This was in PS CC2018, Mac Pro, Sierra 10.12.6.
kirk
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The Google NIK collection has been working fine for me on Windows 10. So I submitted an inquiry to DxO support, asking if I upgrade now to the DxO update, will anything other than bug fixes be included before I have to pay again at the next major upgrade. I received a very prompt reply, containing mostly information already available on their web site but unfortunately not really answering my question. From what I could make of it though, the answer is probably no. But I may go ahead and upgrade anyway, in the hope of helping them survive and continue supporting this software.
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Just beware that when the new DxO version is installed the Google version is deleted.
Yes, I downloaded the DxO demo and lost my Google version and all my custom presets as a result. DxO could have had the courtesy to port the presets to the demo version, or at least issue a warning. Not a good way to win friends for the new version.
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How can one tell if the new version is operating or the old version from google?
MDIJB
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If you download the DxO version and launch one of the Nik apps in demo mode, a splash screen will come up with the Activate-Buy-Demo buttons - this screen will be DxO branded if you are running the current DxO version. Also, in the app window, in the upper right corner there will be a little NIK logo with even tinier text that says "collection by DxO." This is a button - if you press on it, it will bring up the splash screen with version info, etc.
kirk
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The DxO version of Silver Efex seems to solve the issue of >100MPx images you have
Yep, I have just tried and it does indeed work. It is also significantly faster on large files on my Mac Pro running 10.13.5.
To me it makes a big difference.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Yep, I have just tried and it does indeed work. It is also significantly faster on large files on my Mac Pro running 10.13.5.
To me it makes a big difference.
Cheers,
Bernard
Nice!
kirk
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In the technical details, DXO specifies that if you have a Mac, your computer should have an i5 intel processor or higher. Is anyone running the new NIK Collection on an older Mac and if so, how well does it do?
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I am a long time Nik Collection user. I just downloaded and installed the new DxO Nik Collection, and it is an improvement, but not everything is fixed. There are still stability issues (repeatable crashes) with the latest Photoshop CC on High Sierra 10.13.4, but not as many as there used to be. The “New Features” (compatibility and stability) advertised seem to be no more than marketing hype. There is even a new double-processing/double-layer bug in Color Efex Pro 4 when apply in a separate layer is selected in settings. On the bright side, Analog Efex Pro 2 seems to work just fine and Silver Efex Pro 2 no longer crashes EVERY time.
The collection does not seem to be ready for prime time. In my opinion, this should be a beta release until the program is relatively stable and there are no known issues that cause crashes and loss of unsaved work done in Photoshop. Users should beware to always save an image in Photoshop before opening Nik, so if Nik should crash, you won’t lose unsaved editing work done prior to opening Nik.
Apple just released the latest OS version, High Sierra 10.13.5. I am afraid to install it. I don’t want to lose even more functionality with DxO Nik Collection. Does anyone know how well the Collection plays with the latest 10.13.5 OS?
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To those who see no value in purchasing a new version that has no new features other than compatibility and stability with a new OS, I understand your angst. It has all the romance and excitement of replacing a worn out blue blazer with a new blue blazer. Having developed software myself, I can tell you that maintaining compatibility and stability with a new OS is some of the most complicated, time consuming, and expensive programming one can undertake, depending upon the circumstances.
Imagine building a house on a flat stable lot. Everything is good until an earthquake occurs that changes the contours of the lot. It is no longer flat. It is now on an incline. Fixing the foundation, which is still bearing the weight of the house, to fit the new contours of the land while you continue to live in the house is a most challenging repair issue. And not cheap to do. But it allows you to keep a roof over your head. You get to sleep in your own bed and make coffee and toast in the morning. Of course, this analogy only works if portions of the house don't collapse during construction. I don't care if DxO never adds a new feature to the Nik Collection. I just want it to stop collapsing while I'm in it.
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To those who see no value in purchasing a new version that has no new features other than compatibility and stability with a new OS, I understand your angst. It has all the romance and excitement of replacing a worn out blue blazer with a new blue blazer. Having developed software myself, I can tell you that maintaining compatibility and stability with a new OS is some of the most complicated, time consuming, and expensive programming one can undertake, depending upon the circumstances.
Imagine building a house on a flat stable lot. Everything is good until an earthquake occurs that changes the contours of the lot. It is no longer flat. It is now on an incline. Fixing the foundation, which is still bearing the weight of the house, to fit the new contours of the land while you continue to live in the house is a most challenging repair issue. And not cheap to do. But it allows you to keep a roof over your head. You get to sleep in your own bed and make coffee and toast in the morning. Of course, this analogy only works if portions of the house don't collapse during construction. I don't care if DxO never adds a new feature to the Nik Collection. I just want it to stop collapsing while I'm in it.
Well I have a different scenario. I purchase a house and soon discover the builders forgot to put insulation into the walls and are asking for more money to correct this mistake. Sure it costs a lot to open up the exterior walls and put the installation in, but it was their mistake, error ( bug ) that caused the problem, not mine and it's their responsibility to correct the error.
I've been in software / hardware development for 35 years and not once did we release a new version of a product that fixed bugs and charged for it. Bugs are caused by the developers and it's their responsibility to fix these bugs on their own nickel. In fact releasing products with bugs is a hinderence on the customer and seems to be becoming standard practices these days...then to turn around and charge money again to fix those bugs...no way.
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I've been in software / hardware development for 35 years and not once did we release a new version of a product that fixed bugs and charged for it. Bugs are caused by the developers and it's their responsibility to fix these bugs on their own nickel. In fact releasing products with bugs is a hinderence on the customer and seems to be becoming standard practices these days...then to turn around and charge money again to fix those bugs...no way.
Well, yes, but I want DxO to survive because I believe they will do more valuable things with Nik than Google did.
As a result, I am willing to pay to help them survive.
This is just a pragmatic approach vs a dogmatic one.
Cheers,
Bernard
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The old bug in Color Efex Pro has not been fixed. If you have it set to apply the effect on a separate layer, it crashes (I'm on the Mac).
Update: I reported the bug to DxO (including details of my system - latest macOS) and they sent me an updated link to download and re-install. I just tested it and looks like they fixed the problem.
I had PS craching on High Sierra, 10.13.5 while using DxO ViewPoint v1. I'm now now on 10.13.5 and have reinstalled ViewPoint which now works fine. Probably a file permission problem somewhere. YOu could try a reinstall if you wish to use the old Nik and see what happens...
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Well I have a different scenario. I purchase a house and soon discover the builders forgot to put insulation into the walls and are asking for more money to correct this mistake. Sure it costs a lot to open up the exterior walls and put the installation in, but it was their mistake, error ( bug ) that caused the problem, not mine and it's their responsibility to correct the error.
I've been in software / hardware development for 35 years and not once did we release a new version of a product that fixed bugs and charged for it. Bugs are caused by the developers and it's their responsibility to fix these bugs on their own nickel. In fact releasing products with bugs is a hinderence on the customer and seems to be becoming standard practices these days...then to turn around and charge money again to fix those bugs...no way.
Except in this case, the builder didn't put in the insulation. DXO fixed bugs not fixed by the previous owner and would never have been fixed by said previous owner. Certainly that's worth something.
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Except in this case, the builder didn't put in the insulation. DXO fixed bugs not fixed by the previous owner and would never have been fixed by said previous owner. Certainly that's worth something.
Yes and DXO did not put in the features that are in the suite. When you buy out a product, you purchase both the great features and all the bugs that come with it. Saying DXO did not put those bugs into the product is a cop out. They own the product, bugs and all.
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Is there a means of knowing what DxO NIK build version you are running? I note that I have a minimum of two different DxO NIK Installers, as they differ in file size. My most recent download is still crash in the current PS CC, particularly when using the NIK stuffs Smart Filters.
John Caldwell
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Is there a means of knowing what DxO NIK build version you are running? I note that I have a minimum of two different DxO NIK Installers, as they differ in file size. My most recent download is still crash in the current PS CC, particularly when using the NIK stuffs Smart Filters.
John Caldwell
Open one of the applications, for example Color Efex Pro. In the upper right corner, click on the little orange Nik icon to launch a pop-up. You should see that it says, among other things, Nik Collection by DxO, and a version number. The latest is Version 5.0.0.0 x64, build 1.2.15.
Edit: Actually, see kirkt's post above, where he shows the pop-up screen with the info you are looking for.