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Rob is upset by my closing his Street Art thread. I don't resile from my contention that I was correct to do so, but I liked his idea. Here is a second thread. Let's try to avoid the quasi-religious discussions of what is and is not "street" photography and stick to photographs and comment thereon.
As Rob put it:
Okay, maybe we can establish another box, a place where we can show shots that need have nothing at all to do with human figures, pretty, grotesque or at all, but do look at the shapes, designs or just random images that the town, village or city can give - if it feels so inclined.
Jeremy
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Rob is upset by my closing his Street Art thread. I don't resile from my contention that I was correct to do so, but I liked his idea. Here is a second thread. Let's try to avoid the quasi-religious discussions of what is and is not "street" photography and stick to photographs and comment thereon.
As Rob put it:
Okay, maybe we can establish another box, a place where we can show shots that need have nothing at all to do with human figures, pretty, grotesque or at all, but do look at the shapes, designs or just random images that the town, village or city can give - if it feels so inclined.
Jeremy
I'll support your decisions and will be happy to contribute to this box.
Here is my first contribution:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4422/36184972213_278cb403af_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X8xrzg)Waiting for the parade (https://flic.kr/p/X8xrzg) by Ivo Bogaerts (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ivophoto/), on Flickr
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Rob is upset by my closing his Street Art thread. I don't resile from my contention that I was correct to do so, but I liked his idea. Here is a second thread. Let's try to avoid the quasi-religious discussions of what is and is not "street" photography and stick to photographs and comment thereon.
As Rob put it:
Okay, maybe we can establish another box, a place where we can show shots that need have nothing at all to do with human figures, pretty, grotesque or at all, but do look at the shapes, designs or just random images that the town, village or city can give - if it feels so inclined.
Jeremy
That's a nice gesture, Jeremy; lets hope it proves fruitful!
Rob
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Expensive side-effects of chemo.
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As Rob suggested, this might be an example of Street Art:
Rainy Parisian Summer
(http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/img/s/v-2/p1605754575-6.jpg) (http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/p691731907/e5fb5decf)
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Slobodan, that is wonderful. I love it.
Jeremy
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Slobodan, that is wonderful. I love it.
Jeremy
Told you!
That's why such definitions make sense: they allow us to understand what we are discussing and why one thing is what it is and not another. It also tells you why some pictures stay in the mind; must be years since I last saw that photograph. I will probably never forget it unless I end up gaga.
:-)
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As Rob suggested, this might be an example of Street Art: Rainy Parisian Summer
Outstanding!
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Outstanding!
+1.
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An oldie, shot on I don't remember which colorfilm, but is was with my old trusty Rollei 35SE
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How about this? My homage to Pete Turner (with iPhone 7).
Blue sky, puffy clouds, bold colors... Miami today.
Working title: "Alberto in Miami" ;)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1747/42466441091_a079fdff39_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27GBBqP)
Alberto in Miami (https://flic.kr/p/27GBBqP) by Slobodan Blagojevic (https://www.flickr.com/photos/slobodan_blagojevic/), on Flickr
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I really love the colours, although I'm not sure you had to graffiti the wall! ;-)
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I like this one.
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That's fantastic, Stamper!
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I like this one.
Humor!!
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Humor!!
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I like this one.
The Bongo Club in Edinburgh, the artist is Kirsty Whiten.
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Florida street art (photography, imho):
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I like 'em, especially the second.
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The essence of streetart (from TOP) (http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2018/06/random-excellence-roy-feldman.html):
http://detroitphotographic.com/hamtramck
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There you are!
From bing a sub-genre almost nobody wanted to understand existed, we ended up seeing a set of very good examples of it!
Hose off the vitriol (carefully), and beneath it, when you scrape off the damage, you find folks do understand but, for their own reasons, prefer to feign ignorance and refusal.
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To quote Eli Wallach ( in a spaghetti western ), ' if you want to shoot; shoot! Don't talk '.
(http://fursan.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-3/p2958202596-4.jpg)
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Even though I live in a small Midwestern city, I can play! Here's one from Chicago, shot with a c.1935 Voigtlander Bessa, 105mm Heliar, Ilford HP5.
Kent in SD
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Could well be that it's because you live in the sticks that you see the images the city offers. I used to spend a fortune in client money looking for and working in and on "exotic" locations and beaches; a couple of years after moving to this island permanently, after having driven down every deserted, coastal track that allowed a little car to use, all in the name of discovering that something photographically special, I reached the stage where I stopped going to the beach at all unless there was a job on.
After I retired, the only thing that took me down to the sea was going out on friends' boats.
Sailing the Med was nice, probably still is, but the downside is that lotus eating saps the drive to go look for work if there is a softer alternative available calling you on the telephone line of a morning...
Yep, there is a price to pay for everything, even if it seems free at the time.
And all these years later, local blindness is pretty much absolute. That's really the reason most of us went abroad to work when we could: it switched us on again.
The only exception of whom I know is Sarah Moon: she has stated several times that she feels no wish to work outwith Paris. Considering her style, ability and no doubt location, I think I understand. Maybe Leiter was close, but he did travel away from home a bit for fashion magazines.
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Could well be that it's because you live in the sticks that you see the images the city offers. I used to spend a fortune in client money looking for and working in and on "exotic" locations and beaches; a couple of years after moving to this island permanently, after having driven down every deserted, coastal track that allowed a little car to use, all in the name of discovering that something photographically special, I reached the stage where I stopped going to the beach at all unless there was a job on.
After I retired, the only thing that took me down to the sea was going out on friends' boats.
Sailing the Med was nice, probably still is, but the downside is that lotus eating saps the drive to go look for work if there is a softer alternative available calling you on the telephone line of a morning...
Yep, there is a price to pay for everything, even if it seems free at the time.
And all these years later, local blindness is pretty much absolute. That's really the reason most of us went abroad to work when we could: it switched us on again.
The only exception of whom I know is Sarah Moon: she has stated several times that she feels no wish to work outwith Paris. Considering her style, ability and no doubt location, I think I understand. Maybe Leiter was close, but he did travel away from home a bit for fashion magazines.
I'd substitute indifference for blindness. My cameras rarely leave their bag here in the UK.
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I'd substitute indifference for blindness. My cameras rarely leave their bag here in the UK.
Yes, I couldn't agree more; indifference is often the result of too much familiarity with something. It can blight relationships as it can anything else, if one is not careful or, better, extraordinarily lucky.
I suppose that a way around it is to think up some project or another, anything, really, just to try and keep the juices, or at least the memory of them, going. Snag is, after doing it a few times, you reach that awful moment of realisation that it's all been just another substitute.
The same thing can happen if you work in a studio for too long at a time. That bloody roll of Colorama ends up taunting and haunting until you just have to go out and do something else.
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I am fortunate in that where I live there are dramatic seasonal changes. It's like being in a new place! I also started taking photos at night to give me new ideas without having to travel, and that worked too. Finally, I like to use really old camera gear. Each vintage gives its own look to things, and often requires a new approach to an old subject.
Kent in SD
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Yes, I couldn't agree more; indifference is often the result of too much familiarity with something. It can blight relationships as it can anything else, if one is not careful or, better, extraordinarily lucky.
I suppose that a way around it is to think up some project or another, anything, really, just to try and keep the juices, or at least the memory of them, going. Snag is, after doing it a few times, you reach that awful moment of realisation that it's all been just another substitute.
The same thing can happen if you work in a studio for too long at a time. That bloody roll of Colorama ends up taunting and haunting until you just have to go out and do something else.
Rob, I can never decide what is the more important, the travelling or the photography. What I do know is the one would be all the poorer without the other. Our time is increasingly spent exploring pastures new, processing the images from our travels for print and web and researching cultures and destinations for future forays. When not doing this we are busy getting our lives back into order and following our other passions. Oh, and another thing I almost forgot, wasting our time online ;-)
Seriously, I can't help feeling I'd be diluting my passion for photography by thinking up projects to keep my eye in or fill my time.
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I'd substitute indifference for blindness. My cameras rarely leave their bag here in the UK.
I have been drawn back to that statement.
Apart from the business of finding a subject that intrigues you, there's another matter: do you ever feel any sense of guilt about leaving all that good photographic equipment lying unused?
It's something that has started to impress itself onto my consciousness of late. There are two main emotions: the idea that I am letting quite a lot of money (relatively speaking, of course) do nothing but grow ever more obsolete, and the more generous one - to my surprise - that tells me that some poor student would find a lot more to do with it all than do I. This may be bullshit: perhaps today's "poor young student" wouldn't be seen dead using a D200 and D700. If so, then I'd only have one level of conscience about which to feel any concern.
In a way, the same feelings have crept into my head regarding the car. I used to drive pretty much everywhere but, recently, I find that I walk a lot more, despite the heat getting pretty damned oppressive. Of course, much of the incentive is due to three different cardios telling me that I need at least an hour's steady walk every day, but nonetheless, the little-used car looks at me like a bad conscience. But, when I need it, there is no alternative.
The things that preoccupy one.
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I have been drawn back to that statement.
Apart from the business of finding a subject that intrigues you, there's another matter: do you ever feel any sense of guilt about leaving all that good photographic equipment lying unused?
It's something that has started to impress itself onto my consciousness of late. There are two main emotions: the idea that I am letting quite a lot of money (relatively speaking, of course) do nothing but grow ever more obsolete, and the more generous one - to my surprise - that tells me that some poor student would find a lot more to do with it all than do I. This may be bullshit: perhaps today's "poor young student" wouldn't be seen dead using a D200 and D700. If so, then I'd only have one level of conscience about which to feel any concern.
In a way, the same feelings have crept into my head regarding the car. I used to drive pretty much everywhere but, recently, I find that I walk a lot more, despite the heat getting pretty damned oppressive. Of course, much of the incentive is due to three different cardios telling me that I need at least an hour's steady walk every day, but nonetheless, the little-used car looks at me like a bad conscience. But, when I need it, there is no alternative.
The things that preoccupy one.
Well, I do use the cameras in the UK but nowhere near as intensively as I do when travelling.
But in answer to your question, no, unfortunately I've other far more important things to feed my sense of guilt.
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Well, I do use the cameras in the UK but nowhere near as intensively as I do when travelling.
But in answer to your question, no, unfortunately I've other far more important things to feed my sense of guilt.
Well, that makes you pretty normal!
Myself, I have an almost unlimited capacity for guilt - some deserved, but much just the result of too little else on the mind. There's a part of me that half-believes that if I worry about it now, there will be something less to have to carry into the next dimension.
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Jeremy, is the Street section, as in overall, open or not open to critique as are some other sections?
Just nice to understand the definitive house rules in time.
Rob
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Rob, I can never decide what is the more important, the travelling or the photography. What I do know is the one would be all the poorer without the other. Our time is increasingly spent exploring pastures new, processing the images from our travels for print and web and researching cultures and destinations for future forays. When not doing this we are busy getting our lives back into order and following our other passions. Oh, and another thing I almost forgot, wasting our time online ;-)
Seriously, I can't help feeling I'd be diluting my passion for photography by thinking up projects to keep my eye in or fill my time.
Keith, you do some wonderful work in faraway places.
Having said that, let me point out that a time will come when the question whether travel or photography is more important will become moot. If you continue photographing at an age where travel becomes too difficult to enjoy, photography will become a search for significance in what's around you, rather than what's out there in distant parts of the world. Rob's talked about this problem on LuLa more than once, and Gene Smith faced it in spades, though in his case the problem was a loss of physical capacity rather than age.
But what Gene did, and what Rob's been doing is turn his attention to what's there -- close by. I don't doubt you'll do the same thing because I can see in your work that, bottom line, the images are more important to you than visiting distant parts of the world.
I'd dearly love to go back to Southeast Asia, get on a boat and make a trip up the Mekong, shooting pictures all the way. But at eighty-eight that's out of the question. Instead, I walk the little river in front of my house and look for those less dramatic but equally significant signs of the love that's there in creation. You'll do something like that too, just as Rob has done and Gene did. "As From My Window, Sometimes Glance..."
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Russ, I don't doubt it, I just want to defer it for as long as I can.
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"...significant signs of the love that's there in creation." - by Russ.
That's a beautiful way both to describe and to see it.
I'm pretty poor at photographing it well in natural creation - in fact even in seeing it beyond the simple marvel of life itself - but find it all around (in the shape of personal interest) within the constructs and juxtapositions of the man-made place we inhabit. Besides the sometimes beautiful, there is also some sort of unintended energy just below the surface of many such fragments of daily life.
I don't think that they are all in the same language; what others discover sometimes lands here on an uncomprehending ear and, I guess, everyone finds the same possibilities of non-communication.
One of the problems of travel, other than cost and state of health, is that photography would usually take up parts of the day, leaving the other hours as pretty empty. Of course, that's just my condition, but it's what I would find myself facing. Evenings alone at home have become the norm, now, but finding myself in a different environment, without the easy alternatives of just going online, watching an episode of something or even playing with PS, could make travel less than the pleasant experience it certainly used to be when travel nights were all about eating and drinking well, toys no part of the equation, there being precious little time for them anyway.
Horizons shrink.
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One of the problems of travel, other than cost and state of health, is that photography would usually take up parts of the day, leaving the other hours as pretty empty. Of course, that's just my condition, but it's what I would find myself facing. Evenings alone at home have become the norm, now, but finding myself in a different environment, without the easy alternatives of just going online, watching an episode of something or even playing with PS, could make travel less than the pleasant experience it certainly used to be when travel nights were all about eating and drinking well, toys no part of the equation, there being precious little time for them anyway.
On family vacations in the past, my wife & kids were always content to go back to the hotel after dinner and either watch TV or play on their computer. I saw this as a wasted opportunity (and still do.) I figure I paid a lot of money to be somewhere and it's novelty strongly calls to me! So, I began taking photos at night. I found it not hard at all and for me it's more fun than taking photos in the daytime. If I were traveling alone there's a good chance I would become largely nocturnal. :)
From Seattle.
Kent in SD
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Jeremy, is the Street section, as in overall, open or not open to critique as are some other sections?
Just nice to understand the definitive house rules in time.
Rob
I'd say so, yes. Otherwise, it's just for showing off, which while gratifying is ultimately rather pointless.
Jeremy
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Not only that, there already have been some pretty "penetrating" critiques.
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I'd say so, yes. Otherwise, it's just for showing off, which while gratifying is ultimately rather pointless.
Jeremy
Just for sharing - as with the popular WP threads - could be a kinder interpretation of other's motivation.
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Just for sharing - as with the popular WP threads - could be a kinder interpretation of other's motivation.
Thank you!
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On family vacations in the past, my wife & kids were always content to go back to the hotel after dinner and either watch TV or play on their computer. I saw this as a wasted opportunity (and still do.) I figure I paid a lot of money to be somewhere and it's novelty strongly calls to me! So, I began taking photos at night.
I could kick myself for the opportunities I've missed to photograph the night markets during trips to visit my wife's family in Taipei and Singapore. I would have needed a fast ultrawide lens, though, because they're densely packed with people and dimly lit. Pike Place is Seattle comes as close to them as anything I've seen here in the States.
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Literalism:
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I could kick myself for the opportunities I've missed to photograph the night markets during trips to visit my wife's family in Taipei and Singapore. I would have needed a fast ultrawide lens, though, because they're densely packed with people and dimly lit. Pike Place is Seattle comes as close to them as anything I've seen here in the States.
There's also Richmond Night Market in Vancouver, Canada. It was teeming with people and had hundreds of small booths selling everything from food to candy. The place was alive! I came across a couple of girls who were wearing pointy ears that supposedly moved with their emotions.
Kent in SD
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Apart from the business of finding a subject that intrigues you, there's another matter: do you ever feel any sense of guilt about leaving all that good photographic equipment lying unused?
I think of myself as just the current caretaker of the meaningful stuff I "own." I've arranged for it all to be dispersed properly after I'm gone too. This fits right in with my "explore all the available options" approach to the various activities I enjoy.
-Dave-
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Never a problem for me with four sons, eight grandsons, and six granddaughters, a few of which are avid photographers. There's a lineup for my castoffs.
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I've never done much nighttime photography, except in NYC back when I spent lotsa time there, but I love nighttime video. On my first visit to Singapore, mid 1990s, I bought a small Hi8 camcorder and wandered all over the city center at night with it. Many hours of footage, later digitized & edited…though I should redo that given tech improvements over the past few years.
-Dave-
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I've never done much nighttime photography, except in NYC back when I spent lotsa time there, but I love nighttime video. On my first visit to Singapore, mid 1990s, I bought a small Hi8 camcorder and wandered all over the city center at night with it. Many hours of footage, later digitized & edited…though I should redo that given tech improvements over the past few years.
-Dave-
Was in Singapore in '84 for part of my last Tennents Lager calendar; they had several good ideas going: no chewing gum; tipping discouraged in the hotels we visited; great Chinese Chablis (figure that one out) and fantastic prawns. Raffles was a wasted visit - atmosphere of an old Indian railway station and the most stupidly (for the buyer) priced cocktail of them all: the eponymous "Sling".
I gather the hotel has had makeovers since. There was an open eatery market where you could find nice food at night; I can't remember it's name, but I think it had a very English-sounding one, whatever that was. Wellington comes to mind, but that is not what I think it really is called.
As for the shoot - the horizon was impossible: oil tankers edge-to-edge. But the Japanese or Chinese Gardens gave us a couple of shots. Long flight for not much, but those national airline hostesses were every bit as beautiful as any of the models we got to use on any leg of the gig.
Oh, almost forgot: you could buy jeans that went up (or down, obviously) in size by the inch, not the miserable too tight/too loose two-inches options I find with Levi today.
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Rob, yes, the Raffles was refurbed in the late '80s. And is currently being completely overhauled again. And I believe you're thinking of the food court at Piccadilly Circus.
(I think we discussed this some years ago too. :D )
-Dave-
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Rob, Levi jeans are available in inch increments online and in some outlets in the UK.
From Mr 32" or 33".
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Rob, yes, the Raffles was refurbed in the late '80s. And is currently being completely overhauled again. And I believe you're thinking of the food court at Piccadilly Circus.
(I think we discussed this some years ago too. :D )
-Dave-
The name sounds about right - English enough for the feeling it gave me - though I couldn't swear to it!
You may also be right about the déjà vu: that's one of the problems of online conversation because in "real life" the other person in the conversation would chirp up and say yes, I know, we spoke about that... thus saving the repetition.
Ah, the goode olde days!
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Rob, Levi jeans are available in inch increments online and in some outlets in the UK.
From Mr 32" or 33".
;-)
There you go: third world islands. Of course, they're kept that way to pleasure the short-haul tourist and let him think he hit Bora Bora!
Online? Jeans? They seldom fit as per the nominal numbers, and Levi now makes so many different styles and tones that I'd be hard-pressed to know what to order. I'd have to suck 'em and try 'em and inevitably post 'em back whence they'd come! Almost as dodgy as that mail-order bride from Hong Kong!
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+1.
Else it is all talk and no show.
Don’t tell me theories n rattle of names....show me your work, how you approached n did it.
I will learn.
p.s. libraries, books..I can go to or purchase. Not come here to read and supposedly be impressed by well known ( and not so well known ) artists’ works.
Just for sharing - as with the popular WP threads - could be a kinder interpretation of other's motivation.
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Metric system is how I understand the world ;)
Rob, Levi jeans are available in inch increments online and in some outlets in the UK.
From Mr 32" or 33".
;-)
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Metric system is how I understand the world ;)
So does Spain, but nonetheless, their Levi products are in the olde worlde inches.
Tradition, as in the Marlboro Cowboy etc.
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+1.
Else it is all talk and no show.
Don’t tell me theories n rattle of names....show me your work, how you approached n did it.
I will learn.
p.s. libraries, books..I can go to or purchase. Not come here to read and supposedly be impressed by well known ( and not so well known ) artists’ works.
No wish to offend your sensibilities, nor even your nobleness of purpose, but here's a little list of some lesser-knowns (to the general public) who do/did good street photography:
Séeberger; René-Jaques; Izis; André Martin; Janine Niepce; Sabine Weiss; Eduard Boubat; Martine Franck; Jean-Phillipe Charbonnier and Louis Stettner - another of those American artists in Paris.
Some of the above are not unknown at all, simply not picked up on the usual radar scan, so they may be new to some readers here. If so, then that's my good deed for the day, and I can now relax and revert to my norm.
;-)
Rob
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Nothing offends my sensibilities. And my purpose is no more/less noble than yours.
And like you said, who gives a shit.
No wish to offend your sensibilities, nor even your nobleness of purpose, but here's a little list of some lesser-knowns (to the general public) who do/did good street photography:
Séeberger; René-Jaques; Izis; André Martin; Janine Niepce; Sabine Weiss; Eduard Boubat; Martine Franck; Jean-Phillipe Charbonnier and Louis Stettner - another of those American artists in Paris.
Some of the above are not unknown at all, simply not picked up on the usual radar scan, so they may be new to some readers here. If so, then that's my good deed for the day, and I can now relax and revert to my norm.
;-)
Rob
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Who gives a shit.
So does Spain, but nonetheless, their Levi products are in the olde worlde inches.
Tradition, as in the Marlboro Cowboy etc.
;-)
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Just for sharing - as with the popular WP threads - could be a kinder interpretation of other's motivation.
I was asked for my view; I gave it. I think that any photograph posted here (by which I mean in any forum area) which isn't "not for comment", either expressly or, by being posted in the "without prejudice" thread, impliedly is fair game for sensible, rational and preferably constructive comment.
Jeremy
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I was asked for my view; I gave it. I think that any photograph posted here (by which I mean in any forum area) which isn't "not for comment", either expressly or, by being posted in the "without prejudice" thread, impliedly is fair game for sensible, rational and preferably constructive comment.
Jeremy
Then we're in complete agreement.
My issue was with the implication that images posted not for critique were there just for showing off.
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Who gives a shit.
If this was supposed to be humorous, it isn’t. Poor taste, as a minimum. More like gratuitously vulgar.
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I did not introduce such a ' phrase ' in my conversation. It was directed in a response to me, in another post.
Thus I gathered that for the person concerned such language was the norm; and would thus easily understand it.
Take it up with him Slobodan. I just throw back what is first directed at me.
Thank you.
If this was supposed to be humorous, it isn’t. Poor taste, as a minimum. More like gratuitously vulgar.
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I did not introduce such a ' phrase ' in my conversation. It was directed in a response to me, in another post.
Thus I gathered that for the person concerned such language was the norm; and would thus easily understand it.
Take it up with him Slobodan. I just throw back what is first directed at me.
Thank you.
You do realise, don't you, that not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy?
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You do realize that initiating phrases such as are the subject of the last few posts is not criticism; but as Slobodan mentioned is ' gratuitously vulgar '.
I have let a covert, and not a very proper implication, by you go unanswered.
Not because I didn't get it, but because it might have been unintentional.
Criticism, I will take.
Try to be snarky or cynically smart with me, you will get it right back with interest.
You do realise, don't you, that not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy?
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You do realize that initiating phrases such as are the subject of the last few posts is not criticism; but as Slobodan mentioned is ' gratuitously vulgar '.
I have let a covert, and not a very proper implication, by you go unanswered.
Not because I didn't get it, but because it might have been unintentional.
Criticism, I will take.
Try to be snarky or cynically smart with me, you will get it right back with interest.
What are you trying to say?
How can something be both "covert" yet "unintentional" at the same time? And where did I criticise anything? I avoid the critique threads for the very reason that I do not enjoy playing second-guesses and they help nobody. Yet, many others apparently do, both enjoy giving and receiving it, but I have no idea why.
Perhaps if you spell it out, I might understand what you are talking about. As it is, I hear lots of noise, but not a reason for said noise... if I know to what you refer, then perhaps I can illuminate.
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On July 10, 2018 your response to one of my posts...in the ' Click ' thread , reply #9
Perhaps you would re-read the thread.
' unintentional ' was used to give you a plausible excuse ( a way out ).
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Yep, absolutely no need to "proclaim" anything here; we could just break camp and all wander off onto the wilderness that awaits.
Forty days or forty years - who gives a shit, one way or the other?
Rob "
What are you trying to say?
How can something be both "covert" yet "unintentional" at the same time? And where did I criticise anything? I avoid the critique threads for the very reason that I do not enjoy playing second-guesses and they help nobody. Yet, many others apparently do, both enjoy giving and receiving it, but I have no idea why.
Perhaps if you spell it out, I might understand what you are talking about. As it is, I hear lots of noise, but not a reason for said noise... if I know to what you refer, then perhaps I can illuminate.
:-)
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Ruyyan,
I was trying to give you a gentle reminder that you are in breach of forum etiquette, alas...
Stalking a member in another, unrelated thread, posting vulgarities (and nothing else) out of context, and with the sole purpose of exacting a petulant revenge, while exposing all of us to the unpleasant tone the thread has turned to is a serious breach of forum etiquette, and frankly, civilized behavior. Now the whole page has been devoted, instead of photography, to your ill temper.
If you have a problem with what someone posted on your thread, you have two options:
- report to the moderator
- ignore the poster
This forum is not an "after school, behind school" type of place to duke it out.
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Slobodan,
Why am I not surprised that you point the finger at me.
I asked a simple question of you...who initiated this ‘ vulgarity ‘?
You have chosen not to respond to that query.
But you go off on a tangent assigning blame to me.
If I initiate such language or exhibit uncivilized behavior; members have the right to chastise me.
If I respond to vulgarities, I am not going to be anyone’s whipping boy.
And neither, I hope, this to be a forum where old boy networks try to protect one another even when in the wrong.
This is my last post in this thread ( but I never say never...I shall see ).
Sigh.
Ruyyan,
I was trying to give you a gentle reminder that you are in breach of forum etiquette, alas...
Stalking a member in another, unrelated thread, posting vulgarities (and nothing else) out of context, and with the sole purpose of exacting a petulant revenge, while exposing all of us to the unpleasant tone the thread has turned to is a serious breach of forum etiquette, and frankly, civilized behavior. Now the whole page has been devoted, instead of photography, to your ill temper.
If you have a problem with what someone posted on your thread, you have two options:
- report to the moderator
- ignore the poster
This forum is not an "after school, behind school" type of place to duke it out.
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On July 10, 2018 your response to one of my posts...in the ' Click ' thread , reply #9
Perhaps you would re-read the thread.
' unintentional ' was used to give you a plausible excuse ( a way out ).
"
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Yep, absolutely no need to "proclaim" anything here; we could just break camp and all wander off onto the wilderness that awaits.
Forty days or forty years - who gives a shit, one way or the other?
Rob "
Well, I have read the post to which you refer, and in it I mention one of my health problems. This seems to have annoyed you for some reason, and you imply I should keep it to myself. In return, I say yes, and in similar manner we should all shut up and retreat to the self-encompassed little world we inhabit where we desert outer relationships and live like hermits.
And the problem is?
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Well, here is my attempt to get the thread back where it belongs: Street Art. Real Street Art, I mean.
;)
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Well, here is my attempt to get the thread back where it belongs: Street Art. Real Street Art, I mean.
;)
Literally, street. ... I like the set.
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Literally, street. ... I like the set.
Yes, nice work that depends on a receptive eye - both sides of the image!
;-)
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Thanks, guys.
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Eric, what'll you ever do if they stop putting tar on cracks in the pavement?
Good eye!
(I know you don't think this is street photography.)
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Eric, what'll you ever do if they stop putting tar on cracks in the pavement?
Good eye!
(I know you don't think this is street photography.)
Thanks, Russ.
I guess I'd have to buy a used tar-dripping machine and start making my own art.
Of course it's not Street Photography. But if I got a shot of tar jumping across a puddle, I might say differently. ;D
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You do realise, don't you, that not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy?
:-)
+1
I really dislike the trend in our culture where if someone disagrees with another's opinion, they are automatically "evil." I grew up in an era where differing thoughts and opinions were graciously tolerated.
Kent in SD
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Three more "Real" Street Art, from the same outing.
These are all converted to B&W, so the yellow lines aren't yellow. Should I "yellow" those lines in the two that have the lines?
In the one without the center strip line, the tar is white because of the angle of the sunlight reflecting off the tar.
Cheers.
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That's a real street art, indeed, Eric. Well seen and well captured.
I would leave the yellow lines out, but maybe I'd try to increase the contrast or make it slightly darker.
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Thanks, Les.
I'm still playing around with them.
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Well seen.
And thank you.
Well, here is my attempt to get the thread back where it belongs: Street Art. Real Street Art, I mean.
;)
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I'm sure I posted this before, but as we have a thread dedicated to street art, as distinct from street warfare, I think it bears posting again; if not, lo siento...
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Hi-energy.
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This isn't street; it's parking lot asphalt. Does that still count?
Tom
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This isn't street; it's parking lot asphalt. Does that still count?
Tom
In Street Art it sure does!
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Of course it does. That's my favorite kind of True Street Art! ;)
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Downtown Sioux Falls during a blizzard. (Nikon F3T, AiS 105mm f2.5, HP5.)
Kent in SD
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Downtown Sioux Falls during a blizzard. (Nikon F3T, AiS 105mm f2.5, HP5.)
That's terrific!
-Dave-
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Thought this sub-section could do with a little airing.
Hope I didn't post this before, but it's 23:50 and I should be in the land of nod...
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Hi-energy.
That shadow is freakishly too big for the basketball hoop that is casting it.
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Streetside Hoop...
Peter
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That shadow is freakishly too big for the basketball hoop that is casting it.
It's straight. Making a fake is beyond me, I think.
Rob
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That shadow is freakishly too big for the basketball hoop that is casting it.
Notice the shadow overlaps two walls that have different angles, so the shadows become extended.
JR
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Downtown Sioux Falls during a blizzard. (Nikon F3T, AiS 105mm f2.5, HP5.)
Kent in SD
Fantastic capture of public art. The surrealness of the environment magnifies the obvious theme of the sculpture, both literal and symbolic. It forces the eye to see the nuances of the sculpture that we might otherwise overlook in sunlight.
JR
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It's straight. Making a fake is beyond me, I think.
Rob
Notice the shadow overlaps two walls that have different angles, so the shadows become extended.
JR
LOL! I didn’t mean to suggest that it wasn’t a natural shadow. It was just my reaction to the shot. Sometimes nature presents freakish things. :-\
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Molly Malone in Dublin
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Molly Malone in Dublin
Raynaud's. It's the effect of cold and poor circulation: hits my hands and feet every winter.; hence "this is the winter of our discontent.".
Rob
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A matter of opinion.
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Street by the sea; got some OOF areas, so gotta be art.
:-)
Rob
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It's definitely Art.
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Street by the sea; got some OOF areas, so gotta be art.
:-)
Rob
Always...A big blender brush when painting makes it so!
Peter
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Can't remember if posted before.
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I just pointed the camera and pressed the button.
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That's the way to do it, Corn.
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(1) Bang! (Santa Fe, New Mexico, 2013)
(2) Presidents (Annapolis, Maryland, 2018)
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That's the way to do it, Corn.
Can you identfy the location. 5 gold stars for a correct answer. :)
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Can you identfy the location. 5 gold stars for a correct answer. :)
These days, one can google it, as I did. I don’t know if that would be considered gentlemanly, though.
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Nice one. To me better, more as it is in monochrome.
Can't remember if posted before.
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Nice one. To me better, more as it is in monochrome.
Thank you. I may be losing the ability to work in colour anymore; my almost immediate decision with every image is a conversion to black/white. Colour seems to try to dominate things rather than contribute to their overall idea. Perhaps that's partly why I find the majority of landscape work of little interest; by far the greater number of landscape photographers I enjoy are dedicated to black/white. Their work seems to have a life of its own: think Kenna and even St Ansel, bless him, as martyred as he has become.
There I go, making more new friends.
:-(
Rob
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As they have bought a new lock and chain, perhaps the old disco that lives up the steps behind the doors may be going to have a new life this summer. Not that I have any intentions of finding out, of course.
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As they have bought a new lock and chain, perhaps the old disco tha lives up the steps behind the doors may be going to have a new life this summer. Not that I have any intentions of finding out, of course.
Of course...
Good contrast* between color and non-color. Clean simplicity that works well.
(* It's a phase, I'll get over it eventually.)
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Another easter bunny shot celebrating the values of indoor tables.
Rob
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Rob,
Why is it that whenever I try to photograph something through a raindrop-decorated window, and my camera's autofocus insists on focusing on just the raindrops instead of the "subject" outside, the result is junk.
But when you do it, you get magic!
-Eric
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Rob,
Why is it that whenever I try to photograph something through a raindrop-decorated window, and my camera's autofocus insists on focusing on just the raindrops instead of the "subject" outside, the result is junk.
But when you do it, you get magic!
-Eric
It's the camera, don't you know?
(Or it could be, as the 8 year old that beat me at some stupid video game proclaimed: skillzzz!)
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Rob,
Why is it that whenever I try to photograph something through a raindrop-decorated window, and my camera's autofocus insists on focusing on just the raindrops instead of the "subject" outside, the result is junk.
But when you do it, you get magic!
-Eric
Don't know about magic, but the lens used is an old 2/35mm Nikkor manual, hand-held. It's got something I like - a velvety quality the original 2.8/35mm I used for years didn't, but it was more crisp, in my experience, than is the f2 version. Fortunately, I don't do much of crisp anymore.
The tech. was simple: focused on the drops and waited, between sips at the coffee, for something brightish to come into sight. The road is at a corner where folks insist on parking on the yellow lines that should get them a fine, but I suppose they hope the cops stay in their den during bad weather. The result, of course, is that you really do have to slow right down to get round without making contact with anything, so brakes come on. Raising the camera back to the eye and concentrating on getting it held so the pre-focused drops are back where intended means trusting the pentaprism screen, which as the lens is always wide open until exposure, is easy enough.
Love my Nikons; always have. Owe 'em a lot!
How wonderful it would be to catch one of those olde worlde Impalas with the cat's eyes rear, horizontal(ish) fins. Americana is made for photography!
Thanks for the spiritual uplift: went for a blood test this a.m. in preparation for the preliminary cataract removal checks; 8a.m.is one helluva time to have to be fully awake and out there in the world for that little date with Dracula's sisters!
:-)
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Old lenses never die; they just fade away.
This one's giving you great results, Rob.
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It's the camera, don't you know?
(Or it could be, as the 8 year old that beat me at some stupid video game proclaimed: skillzzz!)
Oscar, don't you ever learn? Everybody knows not to compete with animals and children!
:-)
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Old lenses never die; they just fade away.
This one's giving you great results, Rob.
Truth to tell, I just think that for people of my generation, once we learn how to use our original tools, we stick with them if only because it saves us having to overcome fresh difficulties.
As with Keith, eyes are the weak link as I grow longer in the tooth - no, I'll resist that one - and are perhaps the driver to af for general usage.
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It suddenly struck me that most of the kids on LuLa are too young to remember five star general Douglas MacArthur's going away speech to the U.S. Congress after he was fired by Truman for believing that if you're in a war you ought to fight. He quoted an old song that used to be sung at West Point: "Old soldiers never die; they just fade away." And he followed the words of the song, saying, "And like the old soldier in the song, I'll now just fade away." It was very touching. I was twenty-one and had just joined the Air Force when he gave that speech. I was on my way to Korea.
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Just to prove it doesn't always rain in northern Mallorca, a recent one I forgot all about.
Actually, unless I process right away, I forget about all of them. As with the darkroom, digital too comes in two parts: the buzz when you imagine you're seeing something, and then the confirmation (or often otherwise) of that initial reaction. Either way, only the working on the thing later on etches it in memory.
I really don't know much about the ones that got away.
:-(
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A street that fits
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47766140751_04915cb273_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fLVXuT)
Mike
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Actually, unless I process right away, I forget about all of them. As with the darkroom, digital too comes in two parts: the buzz when you imagine you're seeing something, and then the confirmation (or often otherwise) of that initial reaction. Either way, only the working on the thing later on etches it in memory.
So true, Rob!
Even this bit of sunshine has your special magic to it.
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So true, Rob!
Even this bit of sunshine has your special magic to it.
Thank you Eric, that's kind of you!
Rob
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Frost Science Museum, Miami.
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Street Art or landscape? Both?
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Maybe a memory of the dark arts.
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Maybe a memory of the dark arts.
This image stuck in my mind. Something really cool about it. Maybe a bit dark at the top. The old facade fits the image perfectly, no need to hide it in too artificial darkness.
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This image stuck in my mind. Something really cool about it. Maybe a bit dark at the top. The old facade fits the image perfectly, no need to hide it in too artificial darkness.
The building's a Crusader church in Pollensa, right next to a café I used to frequent. Nothing wrong with the café: I just didn't much feel like inflicting myself upon them again after I passed out one lunchtime there a few years ago due to the beta blockers combining with the rush of blood from the brain to the stomach leaving too little of the red stuff pumping up into my head. Without the juice there, no thoughts and not much of anything else, either.
I liked the darkness - fitted in with my then phase. Today I have no phase at all, because I'm not prepared to stick a camera anywhere near my freshly bionic eye. Pressure on it from outside can ruin the surgeon's best efforts. I suppose I'll wait a month or so once I can stop the drops in that eye, which should be soon enough.
Ciao -
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Photography sometimes makes things look too clean and wholesome.
:-(
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Photography sometimes makes things look too clean and wholesome.
:-(
Haha! This proofs that digital beats film.
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Don't know about it beating film, but it does allow one to make snaps that would never be made had one to buy film. Truth to tell, other than some early family shots, not much I'd spend my money on regarding images for "fun", if I may use that term here outwith an equipment thread.
:-)
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A street that fits
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47766140751_04915cb273_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fLVXuT)
Mike
Must have missed this one for some obscure reason; beautiful colours and contrasts between them.
Well seen!
Rob
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WiFi:
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In passing:
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Palma street detail:
Rob
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Handsome behind bars...
Peter
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Handsome behind bars...
Peter
Suits him, and serves him right!
;-)
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Must have missed this one for some obscure reason; beautiful colours and contrasts between them.
Well seen!
Rob
Yes. I actually did see it and came back to it several times but never came to the point of commenting. I was chewing on the blue at the top, but finally figured that it is exactly the right amount.
So: +1
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@Rob,
Da Beat noticed you are steadily moving toward simplicity, and has a link to share:
In der Beschränkung zeigt sich erst der Meister (https://gutenberg.spiegel.de/buch/sonette-3649/1)
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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@Rob,
Da Beat noticed you are steadily moving toward simplicity, and has a link to share:
It's called second childhood, Oscar.
That's perhaps why your link has left me not one word further forward: I don't have the language code...
Simply put, that is.
:-)
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Collective futures?
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Collective futures?
Yes!!!
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Christo in Florida? ;)
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The chairs are real chairs.
Too much of a good thing?
Rob
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Love it, whatever it is.
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Different expressions? Budapest, Hungary.
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Not New York, but outer Puerto Pollensa. Which more and more frequently conjours up in my mind the Italian dish. Porto Polenta. I don't think the tourist board would be thrilled.
:-(
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Wabi sabi, Rob.
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Wabi sabi, Rob.
I find it quite fascinating - probably more so than anything bright and spanking new. Perhaps that explains the thing in my psyche about the '59 Coupe de Ville. But hey, maybe that, too, would be even more irresistible new! A brand new antique, then.
:-)
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Street Marching:
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Street Marching:
Interesting framing...sorta like a dream from long ago.
I like it.
Peter
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Weird. I like it too.
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Good one. Hypnotic.
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Thank you guys; one of those places I pass every day, and then bam! right light and it jumps out at one.
Probably wouldn't have noticed it at all prior to the cataract removals.
Rob
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Keep seeing, Rob.
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Thank you guys; one of those places I pass every day, and then bam! right light and it jumps out at one.
Probably wouldn't have noticed it at all prior to the cataract removals.
Rob
See, you have had a re-birth, eye wise...It's a wonderful thing!
Peter
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Street level:
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You and Walker Evans. He did a bit of this kind of thing.
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I wouldn't want to hit that on a bicycle.
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Film, good rich grain, fading to black and white, fading to ombre fog, rising to hillside crest framed almost identically, tousled head disappearing into the distance over the edge of focus, reopening from second fog to pathway trod of living passage at the end of which, long in the distance as it becomes a thread to the eye, scene re-opens in a dark room, sun flitting through the whisps of the same tousled head, as the door to the story opens hovering, wrapped in the place not wake, not sleep.
This "is" Rob~ wonderful.
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Thank you, folks; Patricia, you don't need a camera to form your pictures.
Come to think of it, Bob Dylan could have used you to smith his words for the better! (Ref. to another thread, another section of LuLa.)
;-)
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The literalist in me:
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Wow!
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Wow!
+1.
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The literalist in me:
Those new eyes are working for you! :)
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+1
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Those new eyes are by Hoya; who said plastics lenses don't work?
Thanks for the kind remarks!
Rob
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Another winter past... when the street felt safer:
:-)
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Good one, Rob. Very nice.
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Good one, Rob. Very nice.
+1
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+2
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+3.
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Another winter past... when the street felt safer:
:-)
This one has a bitter sweet quality to it...A fond memory.
Peter
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A couple of summers ago.
The place on the left closed. As did the thing it was before, and the one before that too. It's best incarnation was during the many years spent selling the international press and French PHOTO.
Then the rent was pushed upwards...
I haven't been up in this end of Pollensa for quite some time; must find out what has happened over summer.
Rob
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A fine shot, Rob.
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A fine shot, Rob.
+1.
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A couple of summers ago.
Then the rent was pushed upwards...
I haven't been up in this end of Pollensa for quite some time; must find out what has happened over summer.
Rob
Rob,
What a beautiful dreamscape...
Peter
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Rob,
What a beautiful dreamscape...
Peter
Thank you, Peter.
Rob
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Simulacrum x 2?
Rob
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Wow! Good shooting, Rob.
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Delightful!
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Simulacrum x 2?
Rob
Lovely!
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Thank you; from the period when snaps just called out to me, and I could always tell the time.
;-(
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Funny about glass: on its own, you can't really see it all that well, can you?
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Pollensa.
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I like 'em both, Rob. Especially the first one.
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Palma.
Rob
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Nice.
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Oldie:
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Oldie:
... but Goodie.
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Suitable for Corrie-19's lockdown blues:
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Good stuff, all three, Rob. But I wish you'd give us larger copies to look at.
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Good stuff, all three, Rob. But I wish you'd give us larger copies to look at.
Russ, you just want to read the papers!
;-)
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Pollença pretending to be France:
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Another pulled from somewhere under the carpet:
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I just pressed the "Like" button.
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I just pressed the "Like" button.
I thought I felt a tingle!
:-)
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I pressed it too. You should have felt two jolts.
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I pressed it too. You should have felt two jolts.
My reflexes are not as rapid those of a young man! ¿Forgiven?
;-)
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The National Air and Space Museum in downtown Washington, shrouded and scaffolded for renovation