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Equipment & Techniques => Digital Cameras & Shooting Techniques => Topic started by: Guillermo Luijk on April 24, 2018, 08:29:42 am

Title: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Guillermo Luijk on April 24, 2018, 08:29:42 am
If you think having RAW histograms on your camera could be a good idea, think of signing and spreading this request among your photographic contacts, other forums, social networks or any place related to photography:

https://www.change.org/p/camera-manufacturers-include-raw-histograms-on-digital-cameras-8ad3dda3-5b22-4438-83e2-0e18689db4ab?recruiter=106611380&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

(http://www.guillermoluijk.com/article/histogram/rawhis.gif)


Who knows? some camera maker could be listening and the others would probably follow. If we manage to get a good amount of feedback I'll try to inform the main brands.

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=33267

Would be nice that those signing the request would post on this thread to keep it alive as long as possible.

Rergards
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: FranciscoDisilvestro on April 25, 2018, 07:57:08 am
Signed!
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 25, 2018, 02:13:33 pm
Signed!
Me too!
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Hening Bettermann on April 25, 2018, 03:17:20 pm
Me too. [ Well not that other Me Too ;-) ]
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: digitaldog on April 25, 2018, 03:19:41 pm
Done and happy to do so!
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: FabienP on April 25, 2018, 05:25:53 pm
Done!

Thanks for this idea, Guillermo!

Cheers,

Fabien
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Frodo on May 15, 2018, 07:10:52 pm
I agree, so happy to sign.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: kirkt on May 16, 2018, 03:57:57 pm
Thanks Guillermo - signed.

kirk
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Mark D Segal on May 21, 2018, 08:50:51 am
A bit late, but I signed - I think this is worthwhile. Though I would ask about the feasibility of doing it within the other performance characteristics people expect of these cameras.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: kirkt on May 21, 2018, 09:06:05 am
It has already been done for some time on Canon cameras that are supported by the Magic Lantern firmware.  It would be nice if manufacturers that support raw capture supported specific tools for raw capture - perhaps a "raw mode" where histograms, blinks, etc. were specifically for the raw data and not the traditional JPEG output.

kirk
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Guillermo Luijk on May 26, 2018, 08:36:03 am
A bit late, but I signed - I think this is worthwhile. Though I would ask about the feasibility of doing it within the other performance characteristics people expect of these cameras.
Not late Mark, I'm awaiting to reach 600 signs to send some emails (581 at this moment). Pitty I don't have access to any massive international forum/social network to sky rocket the signatures. Thanks!

Regards
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: John Hollenberg on June 02, 2018, 07:18:36 pm
Just signed.  I can't believe they haven't done this yet!
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Guillermo Luijk on June 26, 2018, 03:45:59 pm
Hi all, we made 700 signs! it would be nice a final push though. I won't bother you more, this is the second and last time I'll try to encourage you all to spread the word to get more signs. Shortly we'll let camera brands know and our job will be done.

JUST SIGN HERE OR SPREAD THE WORD TO TRY TO HAVE RAW HISTOGRAMS:

https://www.change.org/p/camera-manufacturers-include-raw-histograms-on-digital-cameras-8ad3dda3-5b22-4438-83e2-0e18689db4ab?recruiter=106611380&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

Best regards
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: rdonson on June 26, 2018, 05:57:10 pm
I signed up.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: digitaldog on June 26, 2018, 07:48:07 pm
I wonder if more people would be aware of this IF the power's to be posted an article (free area) about this. I am pretty sure this was topic near and dear to Michaelís heart, maybe info on the main page about this and the Change.org URL would get further attention to other photographers.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on June 26, 2018, 10:21:50 pm
I wonder if more people would be aware of this IF the power's to be posted an article (free area) about this. I am pretty sure this was topic near and dear to Michaelís heart, maybe info on the main page about this and the Change.org URL would get further attention to other photographers.
Very good idea.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Guillermo Luijk on June 27, 2018, 08:15:47 am
I wonder if more people would be aware of this IF the power's to be posted an article (free area) about this. I am pretty sure this was topic near and dear to Michaelís heart, maybe info on the main page about this and the Change.org URL would get further attention to other photographers.

I agree with that on Michael's view. In fact when I opened this thread I sent Kevin the message I reproduce below, hope this catches Kevin's attention. I would have no problem in writing or collborating to write such an article (in spite of some Spanglish). I wrote it in Spanish here (Google translation available):

http://www.elmomentodecisivo.com/2018/05/histogramas-raw-en-camaras-digitales.html


"Hi Kevin, I have opened a thread in the Cameras section requesting to sign on CHANGE.ORG to let manufacturers hear about the interest on RAW histograms on digital cameras. I know, because I interchanged some messages at the time, that this was also Michael's will since he promoted the ETTR on the Internet for the very first time.

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=124450.0

If you think it would be an interesting feature, I encourage you to have a read on it and sign the request on CHANGE.ORG if you find it convenient. I have no other way to reach a vast photographic audience than this. If you have any ideas on how to help spread this message just let me know.

Regards"

Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Mark D Segal on June 27, 2018, 09:11:41 am
I understand Kevin is up in the high Arctic leading a workshop just now and - perhaps - may not have internet access for the time being.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: kirkt on June 27, 2018, 03:27:35 pm
Not only would it be nice for the camera manufacturers to give the user the option to enable a true raw histogram, but it would also be nice if there was a simple firmware addition that would enable the user to be able to input a raw offset, in EV, that would simultaneously permit exposing/shooting ETTR for raw and then simply scaling the ETTR downward by the user inputted EV offset for the in-camera JPEG.  If you shoot raw+JPEG but ETTR, currently the JPEG is rarely useful because of the added exposure for the ETTR.

Cameras like Fujifilm let the user process the raw file in-camera after the acquisition to generate a new JPEG - in-camera raw conversion.  One of the controls is exposure compensation after-the-fact.  So, it is already available but is an extra step that the user has to deliberately perform manually. 

In other words, if your cameras shoot raw, then give raw shooters the tools to take advantage of it.

kirk
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Frans Waterlander on July 15, 2018, 02:12:12 am
Saw this thread just now and signed right away. This should be a no-brainer, but apparently it isn't.
Similar issue is having more than 3 auto brackets for HDR; should also be a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: digitaldog on July 15, 2018, 08:51:02 am
Saw this thread just now and signed right away. This should be a no-brainer, but apparently it isn't.
Similar issue is having more than 3 auto brackets for HDR; should also be a no-brainer.
No more difficulty than reading (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=124550.msg1042775#msg1042775) a nozzle check  ;D  for some.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Guillermo Luijk on July 21, 2018, 08:02:34 am
One thousand signs!
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 21, 2018, 10:17:22 am
One thousand signs!
That's good.
Now, will the manufacturers do anything?
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Guillermo Luijk on July 21, 2018, 11:31:37 am
I doubt it, but this shouldn't discourage to try. From the Spanish camera brands I emailed only Olympus has responded so far. I will write a short letter in English so they can forward it to Japan.

If any of you can help in your local market help is welcome. I'm pretty sure Kevin could help with his contacts in the US branches.

Regards

Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Etrsi_645 on July 22, 2018, 07:40:32 pm
yes, indeed
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: Dan Wells on August 28, 2018, 01:41:32 am
Me as well... Very annoying to try and guess whether I've blown the sky, or whether I could go lighter and pick up some more shadow detail.
Title: Re: Change.org request to camera manufacturers for RAW histograms
Post by: John Cothron on June 14, 2019, 11:38:29 pm
very late to the game, but signed