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Site & Board Matters => About This Site => Topic started by: jeffball on September 26, 2006, 10:13:53 am
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Hello,
Just wanted to say "THANKS" to Michael and Chris for the wonderful and timely posting of the videoblogs from Europe. This is great content and I would hope that anyone not subscribing to the LLVJ would be compelled to support a site that gives such great content. I look forward to more reports and hope that Michael's address to Phase One may find its way to the videoblog section.
Thanks again for your hardwork and enjoy Photokina.
Jeff
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Thanks.
For the record though, Chris brears no blame for the videos. I'm shooting them myself. Chris is busy getting Issue #15 of the Video Journal ready for release.
Michael
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Yes, the VideoBlog on the new HP Z series printers is fantastic. I knew nothing about them until I watched your video. The auto-profiling ability is amazing and truly cutting edge. Epson has some work to do to catch up now! A wide format HP Z may very well be in my future.
Are you using the camera on your laptop to shoot part of the blogs? Whatever you are doing, it is excellent.
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I like the concpt of the videoblogs, but alas i can't see them immediately, as its not practical on a dial-up connection. I'll have to wait till I get to work tomorrow - and then I won't see any more till next Tuesday.
Steve
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Thanks.
For the record though, Chris brears no blame for the videos. I'm shooting them myself. Chris is busy getting Issue #15 of the Video Journal ready for release.
Michael
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Thanks both for the Utubes, and keeping the VJ moving ahead at the same time!
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The videoblog is really a cool, pathbreaking communications technique over the internet. If Michael has the time - sometime - it would be informative to have an essay on how it is produced and up-loaded. I much appreciated the content too.
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Yes, the VideoBlog on the new HP Z series printers is fantastic. (clip) The auto-profiling ability is amazing and truly cutting edge.
I think the built-in auto-profiling is a mixed bag. If you don't make many prints in a day, it would be great. However, if you were using it in a pre-press situation and producing proofs all day, would you want to have your printer tied up making profiles when it could be producing prints?
I think in this situation, I would rather have a separate spectrophotometer on the side.
My two cents,
Ray Maxwell
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I also enjoyed the Video Blog.
I would like to comment on the Lecia M8 design. I noticed that in order to change the battery or the flash card you have to remove the bottom of the camera. I also noticed that the bottom is a separate piece and is not attached to the camera. This means that you have to put the bottom piece somewhere while you change the battery or flash card. I don't think this shows good design. I think they are in love with the past a little too much.
Ray Maxwell
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If you don't make many prints in a day, it would be great. However, if you were using it in a pre-press situation and producing proofs all day, would you want to have your printer tied up making profiles when it could be producing prints?
I think in this situation, I would rather have a separate spectrophotometer on the side.
Ray Maxwell
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That may be, but in my case and in the case of my students the goal is to produce fine art prints on 2 or 3 different papers, so profiling these papers once every few months is all that is needed. I see HP's approach as cutting edge and I expect other printer manufacturers to implement this approach later on. When you add the cost of an Epson 9800 plus the cost of a spectrophotometer, and compare that to the cost of an HP Z3100 44", there is also a saving in getting the HP . And, no need to learn profiling. I personally know how to do it, but for many this is a challenging step with a steep learning curve.
Nothing prevents you from using a spectrophotometer in addition to the printer if your needs call for for it. There are other advantages to these printers besides built in profiling. The other option is to stay with your current printers and use a separate spectrophotometer. In other words the new HPs offer a new option and as always one is free to take it or leave it. In my case, I can see a 3100 44" in my future once I witness the print quality with my own eyes.
Alain
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I can't see the videoblogs on Safari.
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That's unfortunate - if you have access to a Windows XP system they'll show just fine.
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I can't see the videoblogs on Safari.
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I am having no problem seeing the video blogs on my Mac running Safari.
Ray
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they work fine on intel mac w/safari
bob
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they work fine on intel mac w/safari
bob
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Same here. No problems. What Mac OS are you running?
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Safari works fine on my PPC.
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Thanks.
For the record though, Chris brears no blame for the videos. I'm shooting them myself. Chris is busy getting Issue #15 of the Video Journal ready for release.
Michael
The video blogs work really well. Your written reports remain excellent of course, but sometimes, as with the show, the immediacy of this format gives life to the topic. I think the production quality is entirely good enough. Well done for even trying it - a success, so keep going.
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Add my thanks and congratulations to Michael for the video blogs. Today's coverage of medium format was particularly interesting.
I was a medium format film shooter who moved to Canon digital while medium format digital evolved. News of the Rolli Hi6 in its many guises with open system architecture and lenses from Schneider and Zeiss indicates a new world is dawning. Canon's next 1 series entry (perhaps early next year) will have strong competition.
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Add my thanks and congratulations to Michael for the video blogs. Today's coverage of medium format was particularly interesting.
I was a medium format film shooter who moved to Canon digital while medium format digital evolved. News of the Rolli Hi6 in its many guises with open system architecture and lenses from Schneider and Zeiss indicates a new world is dawning. Canon's next 1 series entry (perhaps early next year) will have strong competition.
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Fred, this is pure speculation on my part, so worth what it's worth, but I don't think we're talking of anything more than fringe competition between the next Canon 1 series and MFD. An MFD set-up with one lens will likely still be at least three times costlier than the next one series, bulkier to use, and hence cater to a very high-end specialized market that really wants or needs the ultimate of print size and resolution that MFD can offer. The rest of the high-end market will "make do" with the new 1 series Canons. In a nutshell, I think these offerings largely - but not totally - respond to different market niches. My crystal-ball gazing's worth!
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Darn fine work, Michael. One-man-band film making is not for the fait of heart, even without getting it encoded and on the Internet in jig time.
Congrats and thank you!
Peter
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The idea of videos is nice but alas, I cannot take advantage of them because I am on a slow dialup and don't have the bandpass needed to make it practical.
I am not complaining. If I drive a Volkswagen Bug I cannot expect Corvette drivers to slow down for me.
Robert
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Still nothin.
I have 10.4.7, using Safari and my connection is by satelite. hughes.net
Maybe it's Hughes that won't get me this video. I get utube and google vids. My download speeds are pretty consitantly 100kb ber second.
Any ideas?
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Still nothin.
I have 10.4.7, using Safari and my connection is by satelite. hughes.net
Maybe it's Hughes that won't get me this video. I get utube and google vids. My download speeds are pretty consitantly 100kb ber second.
Any ideas?
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As other people using Safari are receiving the videoblogs, I can only think that there is some security setting or firewall operating either in your computer, your router if you are using one, or at the level of your ISP that is intercepting this file format. If you have not investigated these possibilities it may be fruitful to do so.
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Still nothin.
I have 10.4.7, using Safari and my connection is by satelite. hughes.net
Maybe it's Hughes that won't get me this video. I get utube and google vids. My download speeds are pretty consitantly 100kb ber second.
Any ideas?
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Have you got the last version of Macromedia Flash Player installed?
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That's unfortunate - if you have access to a Windows XP system they'll show just fine.
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They show just fine on OSX/Safari too, but on a 150kB downlink the videoblog on the HP Z printers took about half an hour. Thats too slow for watching any but the most significant reports. And, I doubt that any version of Windows on the same link would do it any quicker...
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They show just fine on OSX/Safari too, but on a 150kB downlink the videoblog on the HP Z printers took about half an hour. Thats too slow for watching any but the most significant reports. And, I doubt that any version of Windows on the same link would do it any quicker...
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Yup - a system is as good as its weakest critical link.
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Thanks for trying to help guys.
My speed test with hughes satelite internet claims over 700KBS in peek hours. I guess they are just lying. When I download software it's pretty consistently around 100kbs as i've watched the counter. I thought perhaps they were controlling the download speed at their end. Who knows?
So I guess LL is for true high speed people now. As well as true millionaires who can afford MF backs.
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The idea of videos is nice but alas, I cannot take advantage of them because I am on a slow dialup and don't have the bandpass needed to make it practical.
I am not complaining. If I drive a Volkswagen Bug I cannot expect Corvette drivers to slow down for me.
Robert
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I feel your pain Robert, the digital divide is widening.
I am selfishly glad to have a 100 Mbps optical fiber connection here in Tokyo, but I do remember very well my recent dial up days and how limiting it had started to become until I could switch.
The videos were very interesting by the way. It would be great to have a text version of them for those with a slower connection, but I am aware that this would be time consuming to do.
Regards,
Bernard
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I don't suppose we could have them in text - or just skip video entirely please?
I really dislike video as a method for online communication. If I wanted to watch TV I'd be watching a TV ;)
Reasons for my dislike? Well, primarily - video is an inherently slow format, and as an added drawback it's impossible to skip to the bits that interest you without watching the whole thing first. Also most online content seems to have been encoded at 3bits/sec - I'm not saying that's true here, I'm sure your quality is fine - but I haven't looked because despite the material covered being interesting, the method of presentation really isn't. Perhaps I'm just not cut out for LL...
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Adrian,
Sorry that the videos aren't to your likeing. Feedback is running about 95% favourable, so I think this is something that I will stick with when the occasion warrents.
Text and video each have their place. Some things are better conveyed by one than the other. I'll be using both from now on as appropriate.
Michael
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The vids ROCK, a huge step UP in communications! Thanks!
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I just wanted to add another comment about video presentations. I am of a divided mind about them. A video presentation is an attractive way to present new material but I don't find them useful as reference material. E.g., if there is a phrase or paragraph in a tutorial somewhere, it's easy to quickly click back and scan to that paragraph. A video presentation doesn't lend itself to that very well.
(A minor point is that I tend to scan what's new on the site while at work. Watching a video is less acceptable then reading something during a coffee break.)
Also, written content is more appropriate for substantial material that may need rereading over time. Watching videos more than once just doesn't work well for me.
We had this debate in the early 80's with technical IT training at one place I worked. Our boss maintained that visual and audio presentations transferred more bits per second to our brains than reading technical journals. This was true, I thought, but a lot of those extra bits have to be discarded to get to the meat.
People seem to like them though, as MR reports above, so it's hard to argue with that. It would be an interesting statistic to keep to see how often they are repeatedly referred to in the future, compared with written content.
When I read, I choose what's important; when I watch, the presenter does the choosing. For some things, it works, for other things, it doesn't. There are probably pedagological experts who can better explain why. I can't.
(Of course, it's just me, but I have only watched one of the recent Photokina blogs and stopped it partway through.)
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Thanks for trying to help guys.
My speed test with hughes satelite internet claims over 700KBS in peek hours. I guess they are just lying. When I download software it's pretty consistently around 100kbs as i've watched the counter. I thought perhaps they were controlling the download speed at their end. Who knows?
So I guess LL is for true high speed people now. As well as true millionaires who can afford MF backs.
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Sfleming - just because you have an unresolved technical problem somewhere between your ISP and your monitor that not one other person responding to this thread has experienced, don't dump on people who are fortunate enough to have access to leading-edge equipment and are generous enough of spirit and time to share their knowledge over what is arguably one of the very best photographic educational resources on the planet. Enough is enough.
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Thanks for trying to help guys.
My speed test with hughes satelite internet claims over 700KBS in peek hours. I guess they are just lying. When I download software it's pretty consistently around 100kbs as i've watched the counter. I thought perhaps they were controlling the download speed at their end. Who knows?
So I guess LL is for true high speed people now. As well as true millionaires who can afford MF backs.
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I'm quite familiar with Hughes DirecPC etc.... Your bandwidth is first likely to be throttled if concurrent usage is high (a drawback of satellite internet), and of course the 700kbs is from the Hughes uplink to your dish. The end to end performance depends on the connection between the Hughes uplink and the site your are accessing. There are also serious issues with streaming video due to latency - possibly these have been resolved, but basically the time delay it takes to bounce to geostationary orbit and back can look like timeouts to an unsuspecting webserver, and this really hits streaming. With satellite as the last "mile" (actually the last 64000 or so km), you lose the benefit of multiple routing options offered by the normal internet.
And last time I looked, it may not cost as much as digital MF, but it is hardly cheap....
I suppose if you're using it, you've got no other option, but satellite internet is a total dead end.... satellites are very cost effective for broadcast, and very expensive for broadband unicast. Internet is unicast....