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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: maxs on November 26, 2017, 07:32:40 pm
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A couple of HP ink related questions:
1. Is there any harm in acquiring genuine HP ink that is still sealed but may have expired circa 2013?
2. Can I mix and match 70ml and 130ml colors in a HP Z3200? i.e. mixed size cartridges?
Thx
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The printer comes with "starter" carts that are 70mm. Half of mine are empty now, replaced with 130mm ones.
I have no idea about "expired" inks, other than I see no reason why they'd expire in the cart and not on the page.
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I’d avoid the old ink myself. At a minimum you need to agitate it to get the pigments to redistribute themselves (learned that myself with Epson ink) but I’d worry if it’s really settled and starts clumping it could increase the chances of clogs.
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Makes sense
I’d avoid the old ink myself. At a minimum you need to agitate it to get the pigments to redistribute themselves (learned that myself with Epson ink) but I’d worry if it’s really settled and starts clumping it could increase the chances of clogs.
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Thanks
I am going to start buying 130mm ink cartridges.
Did you notice some colors get used more than others?
The printer comes with "starter" carts that are 70mm. Half of mine are empty now, replaced with 130mm ones.
I have no idea about "expired" inks, other than I see no reason why they'd expire in the cart and not on the page.
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The HP printers eat Light gray for breakfast, lunch, dinner and for the little hunger in between. At least my Z3200 eats it up twice as fast as other inks.
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Thanks
I am going to start buying 130mm ink cartridges.
Did you notice some colors get used more than others?
Light Grey, Yellow, Matte Black if you print mainly matte papers, Gloss Enhancer if it is mainly gloss paper, Light Magenta, Grey.
Least of al: Red, Blue, Green, in that order.
Do not worry about inks becoming expired, I have not had issues with old carts. Whether you should buy them on Ebay etc is something else.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
March 2017 update, 750+ inkjet media white spectral plots
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The HP printers eat Light gray for breakfast, lunch, dinner and for the little hunger in between. At least my Z3200 eats it up twice as fast as other inks.
hilarious :)
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i have a Z3100 and use mostly gloss media ( so PK + GE and not so much MK)
this is my usage:
GE 24
Gray 8
Blue 3
Magenta 4
Yellow 8
L magenta 4
L cyan 5
PK 7
L Gray 20
MK 5
Red 6
Apparently printed colour is build up from LG + colour-ink if possible (GCR)
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Here's my usage, recorded over a couple of years I guess. Lots of MK and the grays, quite a lot of red. I seldom print on glossy stock.
William.
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It is interesting from the thread how much people's ink use varies. I wonder if overall consumption is more consistent, looks like I'm using 8ml/m² (0.74ml/ft²).
William.
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I haven't seen any issues with expired ink on my Z5200 other than a control panel warning that a cartridge is expired.
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For what it's worth, I talked with an HP service tech, who told me that "the company will never tell anyone this but these inks don't really expire". I don't know how true this is but he was a very knowledgeable guy in regards to
these printers.
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Sounds like canned food at a super market. They have to by law remove the expired cans but the food in them stays OK (I guess) for a few more years!!!
or the cans end up at the dollar store :-)
For what it's worth, I talked with an HP service tech, who told me that "the company will never tell anyone this but these inks don't really expire". I don't know how true this is but he was a very knowledgeable guy in regards to
these printers.
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Thank you William and Kers for sharing your data.
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We can live with that :-)
I haven't seen any issues with expired ink on my Z5200 other than a control panel warning that a cartridge is expired.
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What would be really cool is if HP was able to upload this data to the cloud and shared it with anyone interested in seeing the kind of variance William is speaking of! Kind of a HP Z3200 iPhone App :-)
It is interesting from the thread how much people's ink use varies. I wonder if overall consumption is more consistent, looks like I'm using 8ml/m² (0.74ml/ft²).
William.
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Here's my usage, recorded over a couple of years I guess. Lots of MK and the grays, quite a lot of red. I seldom print on glossy stock.
William.
Why are the numbers here in the 1000's but the ones from Ker all in under 20ish? Are we looking at a different unit of measurement (assume)?
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Consider buying the Lt Gray 772 cartridges 300ml. I found best prices at Provantage--http://www.provantage.com/hp-cn634a~7HEWI0WT.htm
All you have to do is change out the cartridge before it's totally empty. Then remove bottom cap of old cart 120mm and put it on the new 772 cart. You won't be able to read your remaining ink anymore, so occassionally remove cart and weigh it, or shake. Empty 300mm carts are about 5 oz.
Been buying newly expired carts from Ebay for a few years. No problems.
In 6 years of running Z3100 used:
28 Lt G
18 Yellow
12 Red
11 Mt Black
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WOW now that is what I call a real tip :-)
Thanks
Consider buying the Lt Gray 772 cartridges 300ml. I found best prices at Provantage--http://www.provantage.com/hp-cn634a~7HEWI0WT.htm
All you have to do is change out the cartridge before it's totally empty. Then remove bottom cap of old cart 120mm and put it on the new 772 cart. You won't be able to read your remaining ink anymore, so occassionally remove cart and weigh it, or shake. Empty 300mm carts are about 5 oz.
Been buying newly expired carts from Ebay for a few years. No problems.
In 6 years of running Z3100 used:
28 Lt G
18 Yellow
12 Red
11 Mt Black
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Why are the numbers here in the 1000's but the ones from Ker all in under 20ish? Are we looking at a different unit of measurement (assume)?
because i noted the relative usage
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Just a word of caution: if you have a new printer under warranty, be sure to use all inks that are are still fresh, meaning not expired.
Official word from HP is:
"...On the box is the sell by/ expiration date. Somewhere in very small print
on the printhead is either the expire date or manufacture date. If it's the
manufacture date then there is no other wording on it and the printhead is
good for two years after the manufacture date. If it's the expire date it
usually starts with that "expire or install by XX/XX/XX. If the customer
has installed expired ink it does not void warranty of the whole printer
just whatever components that comes in contact with the ink. Which is ink
cart, ink tube system and prnitheads. And also any image or color quality
issues are not guaranteed until fresh ink is installed...."
Further:
"The warranty policy for ink supplies (and hence “dating” policy on the
retail boxes) can vary by product. For the HP 70 ink cartridges, the
end of warranty date, and hence the warranty policy, is set to be 30 months from the date of
manufacture. Nearly all supplies warranty and dating are based on when
the product was manufactured. This is why there can be a varying date
on these products, and why the customer sees these dates
be quite disparate. Manufacturing is done in batches, at certain times
of the month or quarter, and then they are dated 30 months out. As
they move thru the supply chain and distribution channel, they can get
intermixed and this will result in this variance in dates seen by the customer. HP does not have a “standard” window of
guarantee (or warranty), but we do try to ensure there is at least 6-12
months of “usable life” remaining (most often way more than this), once a
customer purchases the supplies..."
On our machines (Z3200 24 and 44 inch models) that are no longer under warranty, I use older inks and have no problems.
The newest machine that is under a 5 year carepack warranty - I am very careful to make sure it has all new, unexpired ink in it.
That little statement about "If the customer
has installed expired ink it does not void warranty of the whole printer
just whatever components that comes in contact with the ink. Which is ink
cart, ink tube system and prnitheads. And also any image or color quality
issues are not guaranteed until fresh ink is installed...." is a real gotcha, if they decide to enforce it.
I don't expect these issues, but be aware, it is lurking in the wings if you have a new printer.
Mark
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Thanks Mark.
Printer has officially landed in my living room but not unpacked yet. Once I unpack I will check the dates as described.
Max
Just a word of caution: if you have a new printer under warranty, be sure to use all inks that are are still fresh, meaning not expired.
Official word from HP is:
"...On the box is the sell by/ expiration date. Somewhere in very small print
on the printhead is either the expire date or manufacture date. If it's the
manufacture date then there is no other wording on it and the printhead is
good for two years after the manufacture date. If it's the expire date it
usually starts with that "expire or install by XX/XX/XX. If the customer
has installed expired ink it does not void warranty of the whole printer
just whatever components that comes in contact with the ink. Which is ink
cart, ink tube system and prnitheads. And also any image or color quality
issues are not guaranteed until fresh ink is installed...."
Further:
"The warranty policy for ink supplies (and hence “dating” policy on the
retail boxes) can vary by product. For the HP 70 ink cartridges, the
end of warranty date, and hence the warranty policy, is set to be 30 months from the date of
manufacture. Nearly all supplies warranty and dating are based on when
the product was manufactured. This is why there can be a varying date
on these products, and why the customer sees these dates
be quite disparate. Manufacturing is done in batches, at certain times
of the month or quarter, and then they are dated 30 months out. As
they move thru the supply chain and distribution channel, they can get
intermixed and this will result in this variance in dates seen by the customer. HP does not have a “standard” window of
guarantee (or warranty), but we do try to ensure there is at least 6-12
months of “usable life” remaining (most often way more than this), once a
customer purchases the supplies..."
On our machines (Z3200 24 and 44 inch models) that are no longer under warranty, I use older inks and have no problems.
The newest machine that is under a 5 year carepack warranty - I am very careful to make sure it has all new, unexpired ink in it.
That little statement about "If the customer
has installed expired ink it does not void warranty of the whole printer
just whatever components that comes in contact with the ink. Which is ink
cart, ink tube system and prnitheads. And also any image or color quality
issues are not guaranteed until fresh ink is installed...." is a real gotcha, if they decide to enforce it.
I don't expect these issues, but be aware, it is lurking in the wings if you have a new printer.
Mark
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WOW now that is what I call a real tip :-)
Indeed it is. Cuts the cost of ink for me by half. Ernst recommends this procedure, too.
I wonder what happens if you let a 300ml cart run right to empty. When my starter carts ran out, the printer stopped, I installed new ones and away it went again. Invisible on print.
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Indeed it is. Cuts the cost of ink for me by half. Ernst recommends this procedure, too.
I wonder what happens if you let a 300ml cart run right to empty. When my starter carts ran out, the printer stopped, I installed new ones and away it went again. Invisible on print.
Well I actually tried this 772 cart method first, after refilling the 70 carts with the even larger carts 750ml of the Z6200. Refilling carts is more risky as it is almost impossible to avoid some air in the ink bags and I fear then the printer hardware/firmware/sensors may not work correctly on the empty stage of the cart. The 772 cart method is more convenient. I only use them on the fast consumed inks and still buy from time to time a 70 cart to get a fresh chip for the next 772 round.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
March 2017 update, 750+ inkjet media white spectral plots
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I haven't seen any issues with expired ink on my Z5200 other than a control panel warning that a cartridge is expired.
My printer says that the yellow cart has "expired". I don't see any way to recover back to the "ready" status so that I can continue printing. I pulled the cart and it's not empty.
How should I proceed?