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Title: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Christopher Sanderson on July 02, 2017, 10:43:28 am
This to restart the Without Prejudice 2 (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=75820.0) which had become overly long
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on July 02, 2017, 11:33:33 am
OK. Let's get started.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on July 02, 2017, 02:33:31 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 02, 2017, 02:39:19 pm
Bill, do you know about W. Eugene Smith?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on July 02, 2017, 03:08:15 pm
Rob, I've heard of him, but I couldn't tell you anything about him. Presumably, my photo is reminiscent of his work?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on July 02, 2017, 03:43:59 pm
Just fabulous Bill. Eugene Smith has some incredible work. Look at 3:53 time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIudVlWo4U

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on July 02, 2017, 04:16:22 pm
Bill, do you know about W. Eugene Smith?

;-)

Rob

Yeah, Smith's Walk to Paradise Garden sprang to mind immediately!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on July 02, 2017, 04:19:14 pm
I'll throw one in. This is actually representative of what I typically do with a camera.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on July 02, 2017, 05:52:28 pm
Yeah, Smith's Walk to Paradise Garden sprang to mind immediately!

Ah! The two kids walking away from the camera; I get it now.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 02, 2017, 05:54:09 pm
Chris,

That's the picture on show again, that I'd removed because it turned out at half-size as it still is now it has reappeared!

No wonder I'm still of an analogue mindset... ;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on July 02, 2017, 08:06:44 pm
From an evening walk.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 03, 2017, 03:43:36 pm
Rob,
I love the photo (big size version).

Perhaps you need one of those soft foam mallets they used to sell for whacking your PC when it misbehaves.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on July 03, 2017, 05:34:56 pm
Field scabious (Knautia arvensis)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on July 04, 2017, 02:55:25 am
Perhaps you need one of those soft foam mallets they used to sell for whacking your PC when it misbehaves.

Sometimes, violence is necessary.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 04, 2017, 03:50:11 am
From an evening walk.


Weird. I like weird.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on July 04, 2017, 06:59:12 am

Weird. I like weird.

Rob C

Thanks Rob. More weirdness from the same walk:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 04, 2017, 08:00:25 am
Ah, it's rolling again. here is a fragment...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 04, 2017, 08:51:41 am
Ah, it's rolling again. here is a fragment...


I see Saul's brollies everywhere, even in places where there are none.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 05, 2017, 03:39:45 am
Ha ha... here's another...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 05, 2017, 07:55:21 am
Ha ha... here's another...


You've defeated me. I can't find any brolly, real or imaginary!

But boy, did you miss focus and frame: your subject is way off to the left!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 05, 2017, 10:17:23 am
Ha ha... here's another...
It's a winner by a nose!   ;)
Title: March of the Mushrroms
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 05, 2017, 10:30:08 am
In my front yard yesterday.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: HSakols on July 05, 2017, 10:49:11 am
Eric,
Nice fairy ring!  At one time, I studied to be a mycologist.  Sure was fun tromping through the woods looking for mushrooms.
Title: Re: March of the Mushrroms
Post by: Rob C on July 05, 2017, 11:30:32 am
In my front yard yesterday.


I need a rest: before I enlarged it I thought was looking at the grass at the back of the old school bike shed.

Funny what sticks in the mind...

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 07, 2017, 05:36:33 pm
So, they are opening up the canals, including some brand spanking new tilting bridges right in the busiest traffic route of course. Somebody decided on a daring "alien" design or something along that theme, unfortunately they manage to completely negate any aesthetics with ..., well..., traffic necessities?

I probably going to call it "Iconic Sky" or "Hallmark View" or something similar.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 07, 2017, 05:43:40 pm
So, they are opening up the canals, including some brand spanking new tilting bridges right in the busiest traffic route of course. Somebody decided on a daring "alien" design or something along that theme, unfortunately they manage to completely negate any aesthetics with ..., well..., traffic necessities?

I probably going to call it "Iconic Sky" or "Hallmark View" or something similar.

A Russian oil well?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 07, 2017, 05:47:49 pm
A slightly more flattering angle. Maybe move to the lower left a little more for a better look at the design. However, this may not fit the frontal viewing theme of the project, and it is less of a comment if we're trying to make the bridge look prettier than it really is in daily commute.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 07, 2017, 06:08:27 pm
After the bridge we're slowly nearing city centre. Of course, this isn't exactly Tokyo, Paris, or New York so we make do with this "brilliant" architectural masterpiece. I'm calling it "After the Crossing" and definitely plan to find out the reason behind the crosses.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 07, 2017, 08:09:26 pm
From the side view, the bridge looks as if the design was inspired by those "drinking bird" toys.

Where is this monument of esthetic grandeur?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 08, 2017, 04:02:35 am
After the bridge we're slowly nearing city centre. Of course, this isn't exactly Tokyo, Paris, or New York so we make do with this "brilliant" architectural masterpiece. I'm calling it "After the Crossing" and definitely plan to find out the reason behind the crosses.

Oscar, where's the problem? It's obviously a hospital.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 08, 2017, 05:17:21 am
Oscar, where's the problem? It's obviously a hospital.

Rob

No, definitely not a hospital, but since every other building in our town is a home for the elderly (usually catering towards a specific disability), it may be service flats for 65+ with possibly some kind of christian heritage. Apartments are up for purchase, not rental, so it is more-or-less open market real estate.

I suppose if you manage to sell your apartment in Mallorca, and fancy a gray and depressing locale to better suit your overall mood, you could consider relocation. ;-) ;-) ;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 08, 2017, 09:18:32 am
No, definitely not a hospital, but since every other building in our town is a home for the elderly (usually catering towards a specific disability), it may be service flats for 65+ with possibly some kind of christian heritage. Apartments are up for purchase, not rental, so it is more-or-less open market real estate.

I suppose if you manage to sell your apartment in Mallorca, and fancy a gray and depressing locale to better suit your overall mood, you could consider relocation. ;-) ;-) ;-)

Hi Oscar,

I'm reconsidering selling; the more I see on tv and hear from family, the more it strikes me that the UK is in a slow suicide move that began well before Brexit, but Brexit was, nonetheless, the signing of the self-execution warrant... I sit here and watch the European tv news reports where the various European countries are now competing for the huge London financial markets that will cease to be operable once we have left.

And some of the people seem happy that a handful of other people will either move abroad to follow the money, or just retire... envy and hatred are often rolled into the same little cigarette, and as with cigarettes, that would do you no harm until you light the damned things. I suppose that until we leave there is hope, but which party will be honest enought to declare we need to think again?

Oh well.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on July 08, 2017, 04:24:13 pm
I'm reconsidering selling…

Provided you can make it work financially, I'd support your reconsidering. After my lovely visit to Hawai'i's Big Island last year, part of me wants to find a comfy condo or small house there and then just spend my days snapping and my evenings strumming in relative isolation.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on July 08, 2017, 09:01:59 pm
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/2972740-orig_1_orig.jpg)

Rob

Well done! +1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 09, 2017, 09:07:01 am
From the side view, the bridge looks as if the design was inspired by those "drinking bird" toys.

Where is this monument of esthetic grandeur?

We used to call 'em dilly dally ducks, I think. They were always yellow.

However, as they were yellow, perhaps they are being confused with the conjurors who came aboard the ships in the Suez Canal and did their tricks with tiny chicks under cups. The conjurors weren't yellow - the chicks were. That was in '53; I can't see it allowed to happen in this day and age, sadly enough. Bang! No chicks, no kids watching and no conjuror either, though the ships would probably survive and be good as new after a good scrub.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 09, 2017, 09:08:42 am
Well done! +1


Thanks, Bob, there's always some human hope, even in concrete.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 09, 2017, 11:43:51 am
From the side view, the bridge looks as if the design was inspired by those "drinking bird" toys.

Where is this monument of esthetic grandeur?

I was standing here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Het+Kanaal+247,+9402+AH+Assen,+Nederland/@52.9992364,6.5712078,18z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47c8250484a8ebc3:0x8ce657216b081242)
The bridge is to the left, the crosses on the other side.

I was standing with my back turned to the local college which gave me another epiphany. Let me look up that snapshot...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 09, 2017, 12:14:14 pm
So in Assen, not Amsterdam, which is the only part of Netherlands that I have visited.
I hope this depravity doesn't spread to the rest of the country.

But well worth photographing.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 09, 2017, 12:54:38 pm
So this was at the back of me and i immediately thought that if this is where we provide our collegelevel education it is no wonder we churn out robots or "corporate prisoners" so to speak...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 09, 2017, 05:27:03 pm
Whay are there no bars on the windows?   :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 09, 2017, 05:51:23 pm
Whay are there no bars on the windows?   :D

Ha, because they aren't even big enough to crawl thru...
(snapped at normal eye-level, so an average length person probably reaches between the first and second row of windows).

Maybe cool picture:
at the ground floor we situate students front to back in a row all along the wall, all equally dressed in suit and tie with a briefcase. Then from one of the top windows we hang a rope of tied together white sheets blowing in the wind.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 10, 2017, 08:49:20 am
So this was at the back of me and i immediately thought that if this is where we provide our collegelevel education it is no wonder we churn out robots or "corporate prisoners" so to speak...


Image makes me think first of white picket fences and, from there, onwards towards velvet.

Corporate prisoners are actually the ones that will survive; the system needs 'em but not the free spirits who find themselves equally at home in the drawer labelled Misfits. The danger comes when that one's too close to the rubbish can.

Rob

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 11, 2017, 02:36:11 pm
Fooling around with the high contrast mono mode on the little wx350. Combined with spotmetering it even allows a bit of control over exposure. This image i found interesting since it shows that little information is needed to still convey an object (and corresponding atmosphere) given that we only see a label and a reflection.

It also triggered me to shoot another series of images of colorful fruit and vegies on a black background, where the background is later processed to near absolute black in post.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 11, 2017, 03:21:34 pm
An example of the colorful fruits and vegies against a black background. The trick of course is to get a natural transition between the object and the background. Obviously, with postprocessing this isn't a real problem except there is a very fine line where the subtleties of transitioning to black will turn out weird.

I think it works in this version, let me look up another image where it didn't quite work out as I wanted.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 11, 2017, 03:30:06 pm
Of course, the multiple jpg compressions to get to this lo-res version will not help either, but I believe that I didn't quite get it right here. Even though the information is all there (meaning there is actual color where there is objects), it doesn't quite have that subtle "deep shadow" feel that I think should be possible given the relative saturation of the objects.

Images where stacks of multiple shots to ensure there would at least be adequate bitdepth, though not HDR bracketed.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 12, 2017, 04:41:03 am
Airport shot...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 12, 2017, 08:28:49 am
Airport shot...

And there I was, expecting a majestic monorail with multiple bellows...

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 12, 2017, 09:31:43 am
It has swing, tilt, shift, rise and fall. Needs a lens board.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 12, 2017, 10:03:17 am
It has swing, tilt, shift, rise and fall. Needs a lens board.

That's what you get if you don't buy from a registered dealership: non-working bait to greater expenditure. And nobody mentioned a lens yet!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 12, 2017, 10:25:23 am
It has swing, tilt, shift, rise and fall. Needs a lens board.
+10!  ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 13, 2017, 03:03:05 am
In Barcelonetta
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 13, 2017, 09:21:23 am
In Barcelonetta

Thanks for the memory jog: reminds me that I have an invitation to a gallery show this evening - five Cuban painters. The link/memory jog? The gallery is up on the first floor, and you enter via a bar/restauarnt, which is anything but convenient; but that's life: location, location, location.

However, rules don't aways apply in Mallorca. The woman who runs this place has a long gallery history within Pollensa, so I guess she probably knows what's what and, as ever, you have to go by what you can afford to rent.

It's 3pm right now, and the battery is on charge, a spare card beside the camera; however, the "do" starts at 8.30pm and I have no idea about the probable state of my enthusiasm by then. However, I guess my Cuban tenor sax friend will be there, so at the very least, somebody with whom to have a usually interesting chat.

Event's such as this always come accompanied with the angst of the missing mate. And emergency driver...

https://www.espaidart32.com/ARTISTAS_CUBANOS/COLECTIVA.html

A quick look, and you see at once why photography can never feel an equal to some of the other arts. Like or dislike the works, there's no disputing that self-expression is much stronger and better served this other way. Unfortunately for me. Maybe that's just my fifteen-year-old self coming back to the fore, looking for a fight with the older me. At least I can tell him to go back from whence he came, that I know better, that I'd never have been good enough to cut it with canvas - AFAIK.

Sometimes, it feels like reading a book from the back. My late mother - she's be a miracle if she were not late - used to do that with books; it drove me mad, but she enjoyed them just as much as ever I seemed to do. Folks, techniques.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 13, 2017, 09:43:18 am
A quick look, and you see at once why photography can never feel an equal to some of the other arts.

you have to go by what you can
 
Folks, techniques.


:)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 13, 2017, 09:48:06 am
:)

" "A quick look, and you see at once why photography can never feel an equal to some of the other arts.

you have to go by what you can
 
Folks, techniques."" ""


Editorial mayhem!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on July 13, 2017, 03:48:51 pm
On the beach. Always something of interest – sometimes beautiful, sometimes grisly. And a handheld pano of behind the beach. Not a good place to walk – full of ticks!

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 14, 2017, 03:49:42 am
Two beautiful still lifes; marvellous colours.

Ticks: try going through my hedge or, if you enjoy walks, any Med maquis! If you have sheep or goats they have passengers, as will you of you brush past anything that grows.

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on July 14, 2017, 08:39:39 pm
Two beautiful still lifes; marvellous colours.

Ticks: try going through my hedge or, if you enjoy walks, any Med maquis! If you have sheep or goats they have passengers, as will you of you brush past anything that grows.

Rob C

Thank-you, Rob. Ticks seem to be a growing problem here. A young friend of our granddaughter has just been diagnosed with Lyme disease from a black-legged/deer tick bite. Poor little guy has to undergo a 21-day course of antibiotics.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 15, 2017, 04:01:29 pm
Da Beat goes street, but just for some inner city stockphotography...
i.e. no fancy double messages or other ambiguity here, just uhmmm... photography from the gut, and my gut generally has little to contribute where reasonable intellect is concerned...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2017, 04:39:17 pm
Da Beat goes street, but just for some inner city stockphotography...
i.e. no fancy double messages or other ambiguity here, just uhmmm... photography from the gut, and my gut generally has little to contribute where reasonable intellect is concerned...


Tried cookery lessons?

I can only make a distinctly Rob C version of paella - I like it moist, more as per risotto, so even there I find it pretty difficult to conform... Well, okay, I do make soups and stews in winter, but all very low-intellect stuff and after my own simplified versions of Internet recipes I have found. None of it is fun.

So on second thoughts, stick with your gut and forget the intellect. Can you still make stock photos pay? Amazing.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on July 15, 2017, 05:18:30 pm
photography from the gut, and my gut generally has little to contribute where reasonable intellect is concerned...

Not a comment on the photo, Oscar, but your text reminded me of this.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 15, 2017, 05:33:54 pm
Not a comment on the photo, Oscar, but your text reminded me of this.

Ha, exactly! Euphemism it was. Now make sure Rob gets to see that...


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Farmer on July 16, 2017, 05:02:17 am
Just capturing a selfie.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 16, 2017, 05:20:52 am
Just capturing a selfie.

That's a good one. A spot-the-photographer-selfie-selfie. Great capture too.



Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 16, 2017, 05:26:17 am
Nice one, Phil. So cool!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on July 16, 2017, 10:31:54 am
... hard on the edge to be kitsch, but why not ...  ;)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 16, 2017, 10:49:12 am
... the reason behind the crosses.

Refugee shelter? ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 16, 2017, 10:53:15 am
So this was at the back of me and i immediately thought that if this is where we provide our college level education it is no wonder we churn out robots or "corporate prisoners" so to speak...

Horrifyingly beautiful. Agree with the "prisoners" metaphor.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 16, 2017, 03:13:10 pm
How times have changed:

(https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19990378_10155508377826505_3469698679498636190_n.jpg?oh=1c533a6d71a12406eb5d3a8b94056b99&oe=59FB4767)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 16, 2017, 03:26:29 pm
How times have changed:

Haha, reminds me of those Chinglish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinglish) signs in China...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 17, 2017, 04:44:27 am
Exercise in repetition and contrast
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 17, 2017, 06:22:58 am
Exercise in repetition and contrast

Cherchez la femme. As ever: the best motivator in the box.

In fashionista lexicon: lean and hungry look with soupçon of athlete.

I believe that in Leica rangefinder mythology, the additional space beyond the covered area would have offered a slight framing advantage though, of course, I understand perfectly well that you'd then have lost the magical "just in the nick of time" aspect of the drama. Had you centred her, then it would have looked contrived. Had you actually been using a hand-held long lens on that mythical Red Dotted rangefinder machine, you might have missed the target completely and ventured into the territory of the Art of the Almost.

Note: this is NOT critique; this is art appreciatiion at a very advanced level.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on July 17, 2017, 09:05:37 am
An old friend.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on July 17, 2017, 10:13:00 am
A fine shot, Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 17, 2017, 10:52:30 am
Had you centred her, then it would have looked contrived.

It was in fact serendipity. I was looking at the patterns made by the two men as they drifted together and apart and their arms overlapped, the woman was a surprise when I looked at the result. So indeed aiming a little more to the right would have been better, but chance already gave me rather a lot. I shan't complain then.

In this one, I've really no idea what was going on with the finger:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 17, 2017, 01:11:27 pm
In this one, I've really no idea what was going on with the finger:
She's counting steps, because her pedometer broke???
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 18, 2017, 04:27:43 am
Another from the series which I rather like, despite the blown highlights. I took another, but the woman in the hat caught on and was scowling. Désolé Madame, je regrette que vous en ayez souffert...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 18, 2017, 08:39:38 am
Another from the series which I rather like, despite the blown highlights. I took another, but the woman in the hat caught on and was scowling. Désolé Madame, je regrette que vous en ayez souffert...
This one is excellent.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on July 20, 2017, 01:33:57 pm
Porthole.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 20, 2017, 04:43:59 pm
I think you weren't really looking at the car.
Nice.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 21, 2017, 09:20:18 am
Gotta say, "skin tones" like that were more (much!) difficult to get with film. Digital has made some things easier and others not really.

I often get the urge to be able to use my hands to shade in edges, skies or many other things than have to do it via the more mechanical/rigid use of masking off bits and so on.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Farmer on July 22, 2017, 06:10:16 am
Fluid Construction.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on July 22, 2017, 06:02:02 pm
It's been a poor year for my daylily plants. I think the cool weather we had in May (cooler on average than in April) suppressed their urge to create blooms. But these two showed up this morning.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 24, 2017, 03:47:56 am
There was tango dancing alongside the river last night. While I was circling, a woman arrived and slipped on her dancing shoes...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 24, 2017, 03:51:29 am
Fluid Construction.

What is that? It looks suspiciously like a grinding burr, but one doesn't usually glue them together...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Farmer on July 24, 2017, 04:18:23 am
What is that? It looks suspiciously like a grinding burr, but one doesn't usually glue them together...

It's hot glass being worked at sea on MV Solstice somewhere in the South Pacific :-)

Basically, the orange bit it hot glass that is being wound onto an existing large piece of glass that has glass rods melted onto it around the side.  These rods are multi coloured and once the item is blown and spun it all creates a particular pattern.

Attached is close to it being finished (unprocessed record shot only - the "standing" shadow reflection in the middle of the piece is me taking the shot with the 70-200).  We bought it at auction on the ship (along with another piece) to raise money for scholarships for more gaffers to get training.  The Corning Museum Hot Glass show on the ships is amazing!

http://www.cmog.org/video/hot-glass-show-celebrity-solstice
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 24, 2017, 05:31:06 am
There was tango dancing alongside the river last night. While I was circling, a woman arrived and slipped on her dancing shoes...

Yeah, I sympathise with her; I'm quite clumsy too... was she badly hurt?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 24, 2017, 10:25:35 am
So maybe I should have gone to the restaurant across the street?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 24, 2017, 12:37:37 pm
So maybe I should have gone to the restaurant across the street?

Absolutely: you even got a snap of HC-B!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on July 24, 2017, 04:03:19 pm
 :-[
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on July 25, 2017, 03:21:04 am
:-[

Did they eat your tripod? Weird, carbon fibre rich milk if that happened  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on July 25, 2017, 09:19:33 am
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3120-bw-web_orig.jpg)

Rob

Positioning yourself is key in this image, no?

I'm beginning to understand your fascination with mannequins now, Rob. It perhaps is a representation of yourself being frozen in time...

=;-\
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Post by: GrahamBy on July 25, 2017, 12:18:25 pm
Another shot from the tango by the river... this woman appeared to have mastered her shoes.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 25, 2017, 12:55:35 pm
Another shot from the tango by the river... this woman appeared to have mastered her shoes.


But not her bra' straps! I won't think any more deeply than that, but she does look a little self-satisfied.

Must be the tango. Not Paris, I presume?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 25, 2017, 03:29:34 pm
No, still down in the provinces. There is something charming about an under-employed bra strap...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 25, 2017, 05:24:42 pm
No, still down in the provinces. There is something charming about an under-employed bra strap...

There is something entirely charming about the garment. Period. Well a pretty one, that is; you know, amour not armour.

I once had a trophy one pinned to my bedroom wall. Had a party one night, and it got stolen. No, not the wall. You really shouldn't tust your "friends" when you're a teenager, especially when they get drunk. I soon stopped having parties. I used to be a quick learner. Didn't need books for that.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 26, 2017, 05:52:42 am
More from the provinces, evening by the river, young men under the bridge.

(With a moderately sharp shadow)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 26, 2017, 07:44:51 am
Positioning yourself is key in this image, no?

I'm beginning to understand your fascination with mannequins now, Rob. It perhaps is a representation of yourself being frozen in time...

=;-\

Well not exactly, but similar in that my only real photographic high is working with beautiful girls, of which I ended up doing quite a lot.

In fact, I'm currently working on a project that seeks to explain - at least to myself - what happens when your life changes and the former securities no longer are available; it really does leave you out on some sort of deserted isle where hope exists in counting the coconuts.

I suppose some solace comes from the suspension of doubt when one is working on the images and doing one's damndest to displace them from the mundane places that one finds them - if one gets lucky, then the illusion becomes strong enough to drive the camera outside to continue the hunt another day.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on July 27, 2017, 04:43:23 pm
Out walking in my fav local park yesterday afternoon, seeing & snapping.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on July 27, 2017, 05:27:40 pm
This is sort of an alternate version of the previous pic. Instead of trying multiple approaches with the same subject I often like to try the same approach with multiple subjects.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on July 28, 2017, 03:21:10 pm
Yet another version of the same approach, this time with Hosta blooms in my back garden.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on July 28, 2017, 03:26:44 pm
Finally, something less busy & more graphical. More my usual thing. At my friend Susan's apartment/condo/bunker.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on July 28, 2017, 07:33:49 pm
My botanical contribution.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on July 29, 2017, 05:45:53 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 30, 2017, 08:56:12 am
Last night, Vieux Lyon, first note...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on July 30, 2017, 10:17:32 am
Last night, Vieux Lyon, first note...

Great shot with a lovely expression caught!

(Any shoe problems?)

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on July 30, 2017, 01:12:46 pm
Finally, something less busy & more graphical. More my usual thing. At my friend Susan's apartment/condo/bunker.  :)

-Dave-

+1
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Post by: BobDavid on July 30, 2017, 01:13:51 pm
Last night, Vieux Lyon, first note...

+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on July 30, 2017, 02:27:11 pm
Great shot with a lovely expression caught!

+2
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Post by: Chairman Bill on July 30, 2017, 02:27:44 pm
Field of dreams

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 30, 2017, 04:58:54 pm
Field of dreams
Oh yes :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on July 30, 2017, 04:59:43 pm
One for Elliot
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on July 31, 2017, 11:00:41 am
Fishing from early morning to last light. Both taken during a brief family getaway to Prince Edward Island.

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Post by: muntanela on July 31, 2017, 12:58:20 pm
Linaria alpina (L.) Mill. (Pedruna Valley)
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Post by: Telecaster on July 31, 2017, 09:12:15 pm
Last "botanical" 16:9 pic. I heard the Rolling Stones' Dead Flowers while out drinking coffee this afternoon.  ;D  New lens test: f/1.4 at ~70cm.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 31, 2017, 11:15:43 pm
Head in the clouds - portrait of a friend:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 01, 2017, 05:33:54 pm
Practising scales

In tune!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 01, 2017, 05:39:53 pm
More flora, from this afternoon's park walk, but it's at 3:2!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 01, 2017, 08:43:52 pm
Head in the clouds - portrait of a friend:

Nice one.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 01, 2017, 08:44:22 pm
Another nice one.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 02, 2017, 09:03:34 am
Head in the clouds - portrait of a friend:

 :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 02, 2017, 09:04:44 am
Practising scales:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 03, 2017, 09:01:51 pm
more Brocken phenomenon
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 04, 2017, 01:58:32 am
If you're in New Zealand, this is probably NSFW   :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on August 04, 2017, 03:46:20 pm
One and all.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/On-the-Road/i-wzQgdMs/0/56c5139d/M/June%2014-%202017%20RBG%20107%20copy1000-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 04, 2017, 04:04:22 pm
more Brocken phenomenon

Cool! #1 has an X Files vibe.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 06, 2017, 09:44:00 pm
Thick evening clouds: the norm here over the past few weeks. The planes, though, are always part of the norm.  ;)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 06, 2017, 09:48:50 pm
But our clouds aren't always gloomy.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 07, 2017, 12:05:40 am
Cool! #1 has an X Files vibe.  :D

-Dave-

Thanks, second time I get to see one. First was an out of the world experience as I had no clue why it's happening. Now that I now it's just cool.  :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 07, 2017, 12:43:12 am
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on August 07, 2017, 05:44:42 am
This priest kept an eye locked on me and my camera! I must have looked suspicious.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on August 07, 2017, 07:43:38 am
This priest kept an eye locked on me and my camera! I must have looked suspicious.

Great shot!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 07, 2017, 08:11:09 am
This priest kept an eye locked on me and my camera! I must have looked suspicious.

That's a strong image. Well done.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on August 07, 2017, 09:21:23 am
This priest kept an eye locked on me and my camera! I must have looked suspicious.

Really good shot and great composition. (I think that the priest was fed up with reading the breviary  and was just curious about what you were doing...)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 07, 2017, 08:24:47 pm
This priest kept an eye locked on me and my camera! I must have looked suspicious.

Terrific.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 08, 2017, 06:46:38 am
Me too :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on August 08, 2017, 08:57:48 am
Thanks guys… Sometimes, I'm lucky  ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 08, 2017, 11:23:24 am
For something different... a bit of nature shot from my Kitchen window
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 08, 2017, 05:25:36 pm
For something different... a bit of nature shot from my Kitchen window

Looks like one of the little sh*ts who were was trying to get into my attic through an air vent this past spring.  ;D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 08, 2017, 05:31:00 pm
Wanted to see what I'd get by pointing my IR rig at the sun (in prep for possible pic-taking during the upcoming solar eclipse). "Lotsa flare" seems to be the correct answer. Forgot to set custom white balance too, but I've left it "wrong."

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on August 08, 2017, 06:50:12 pm
Wanted to see what I'd get by pointing my IR rig at the sun (in prep for possible pic-taking during the upcoming solar eclipse). "Lotsa flare" seems to be the correct answer. Forgot to set custom white balance too, but I've left it "wrong."

-Dave-

Try it with a neutral density filter (or two) 10-20 stops.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 09, 2017, 02:48:56 am
Try it with a neutral density filter (or two) 10-20 stops.

I don't think the wavelengths I'm using here (700nm+) even notice ND filters. Anyway I can reduce the exposure, and the flare/ghosting, beyond what's shown in the pic just by stopping down the lens and speeding up the shutter. And framing differently too.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 09, 2017, 07:13:41 am
Then there was this guy, who hung about staring in my bedroom window...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 09, 2017, 02:17:18 pm
Here's one of the little sh*ts in question (see above), from ~30 minutes ago. She/he seems fascinated by my camera, or maybe by reflections in the lens, and often comes over to investigate. 35mm lens (46mm "equivalent") at ~1m.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 09, 2017, 08:37:56 pm
From Bolton Abbey, UK.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on August 10, 2017, 02:24:20 am
Some "human landscape" ...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on August 10, 2017, 02:57:35 am
Some "human landscape" ...

Interesting, was gerade geschah?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on August 10, 2017, 03:03:18 am
Interesting, was gerade geschah?
Every Sunday in summer:
https://www.mauerpark.info/culture/mauerparkkaraoke/?lang=en (https://www.mauerpark.info/culture/mauerparkkaraoke/?lang=en)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on August 10, 2017, 03:20:28 am
Deutschland, deine Sänger... ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 10, 2017, 04:07:55 pm
There are wonders in nature.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Farmer on August 10, 2017, 06:42:41 pm
There are wonders in nature.

Wow.  How good is that?  Wonderful.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 10, 2017, 08:21:23 pm
Excellent! (Once I enlarged it.)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 11, 2017, 08:57:55 am
Taken on an evening walk a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 11, 2017, 10:29:11 am
I was looking through some shots from last November and found one I'd pretty much missed at the time
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 11, 2017, 11:02:19 am
Taken on an evening walk a couple of days ago.


Nice pìcture; little red rooster?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 11, 2017, 11:17:15 am

Nice pìcture; little red rooster?

;-)

Rob

Medium size monochrome rooster :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on August 11, 2017, 11:31:36 am
I was looking through some shots from last November and found one I'd pretty much missed at the time

Is it the same path you photographed with snow? You could try to shoot the same frame in the same spot through seasons and years, the location is worthy.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 11, 2017, 12:54:22 pm
I was looking through some shots from last November and found one I'd pretty much missed at the time

It's a 'quiet' image but very evocative - I feel like I'me there.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 12, 2017, 07:46:49 am
Another shot from my evening walk. ( An obfuscated landscape ).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 12, 2017, 02:22:44 pm
Go forth and explore.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 12, 2017, 07:40:55 pm
Three more from my evening walk.

No more.

I promise.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 12, 2017, 08:48:05 pm
Rainy day
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 13, 2017, 04:42:47 am
Stéphane, reading
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 13, 2017, 04:44:55 am
And Aurélie...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on August 13, 2017, 05:28:59 pm
Almost looks like a bloody composite, but is a SOOC jpg. Cropping too tight is a result of lack of lcd brightness.

I noticed daylight duration is shortening quickly again, we hardly had a real summer this year, and the season is withering away...



Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on August 13, 2017, 05:31:16 pm
Also still fooling around with the HC monochrome mode. Don't worry, I don't drink the stuff...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on August 14, 2017, 05:41:10 am
Three more from my evening walk.

No more.

I promise.

Why "no more"? They are very enjoyable!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 14, 2017, 07:58:17 am
Why "no more"? They are very enjoyable!
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 14, 2017, 05:03:59 pm
Mrs. Cardinal (I think: IR-sensitive camera + uncoated lens = gender uncertainty).

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on August 15, 2017, 12:50:33 pm
For some reason I'm not really aware, myself, I keep coming back to this one from a recent not very productive weekend.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4385/36446077911_bb0567caa0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XwBFcD)no landscape (https://flic.kr/p/XwBFcD) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 15, 2017, 05:09:50 pm
Salt mine
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on August 15, 2017, 10:15:48 pm
Salt mine

Very cool. Did you see "Spartacus was here" etched into the walls anywhere?  ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on August 16, 2017, 03:02:48 am
Salt mine
Wow! What a photo-opportunity. Can one see more anywhere?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 16, 2017, 03:35:05 pm
Very cool. Did you see "Spartacus was here" etched into the walls anywhere?  ;)

Nope, but they had these  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 16, 2017, 03:39:15 pm
Wow! What a photo-opportunity. Can one see more anywhere?

This is in Romania, there are still multiple salt mines open to public.
See attached to get a sense of scale
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 16, 2017, 03:50:19 pm
Mrs. Cardinal (I think: IR-sensitive camera + uncoated lens = gender uncertainty).

-Dave-

That's pretty prevalent today and has little to do with lenses, but more with chance, compass and perspective. Deep inside me, I suspect that Central Casting has a hand in it somewhere too.

I caught a news clip today where they were making Fender's Stratocasters in Mexico! Trump that!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 16, 2017, 04:02:09 pm
One summer evening
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 16, 2017, 04:56:52 pm
Another summer's evening
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 16, 2017, 09:14:40 pm
That's pretty prevalent today and has little to do with lenses, but more with chance, compass and perspective. Deep inside me, I suspect that Central Casting has a hand in it somewhere too.

I caught a news clip today where they were making Fender's Stratocasters in Mexico! Trump that!

;-)

Rob

They should make them in Japan.

In the very early 1980's Fender started getting versions of all their famous models made in Japan under the 'Squier' name: I was working in a musical instrument shop at the time & I thought they they were better quality than the American versions. They were also cheaper. I had a Squier Telecaster: lovely guitar.

Unfortunately I'm a bloody awful guitarist.
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Post by: Telecaster on August 17, 2017, 02:07:14 am
In the very early 1980's Fender started getting versions of all their famous models made in Japan under the 'Squier' name: I was working in a musical instrument shop at the time & I thought they they were better quality than the American versions. They were also cheaper. I had a Squier Telecaster: lovely guitar.

My general experience with early/mid '80s Japanese electric guitars is that they knock the socks off most US-made stuff of the same vintage. The nicest Strat I've ever owned, or played for that matter, is a first-year (1982) Fender Japan "62 reissue" model. White, now faded to a light parchment, with a mint green pickguard. Sold my "real" Strat after getting it. Playing it is like wearing a soft & comfy form-fitting shirt. I have a black '83 Squier Tele too. It's a different flavor of Tele than my namesake one but just as well made and capable.

Fender's factory in Ensenada does very good work too. Fender hampers overall quality by using cheaper hardware and electronics on their Mexican-made models (which is to say, they're mostly but not entirely made in Mexico) but the Mexican work holds its own.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 17, 2017, 02:48:28 am
That's pretty prevalent today and has little to do with lenses, but more with chance, compass and perspective. Deep inside me, I suspect that Central Casting has a hand in it somewhere too.

;D  I thought someone might catch that!

Quote
I caught a news clip today where they were making Fender's Stratocasters in Mexico! Trump that!

Yep, some of 'em anyway. Fender has had a factory in Ensenada for some years now. Back in the day Leo Fender insisted on hiring Latinas to wind guitar pickups and wire up guitars & amps. He found they tended to have the right combination of skill and patience necessary to do the job to his demanding standards. In Fender collectors' circles these ladies are well regarded and folks know some of their names. My old Telecaster was wired by Gloria Fuentes, and the pickups in some other Fenders I own or once owned were wound by Abigail Ybarra. (I met Abby ~10 years ago at a guitar show. She's still living.) Both often signed their work.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on August 17, 2017, 03:44:41 am
Crocus vernus (L.) Hill subsp. albiflorus (Kit.) Ces. (Sperella Valley, Western Grosina Valley, April)

Ranunculus kuepferi Greuter & Burdet (Pian del lago, Western Grosina Valley, June).

Zygaena (Zygaena) transalpina (Esper, 1780) (Pian del lago, Western Grosina Valley, July)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 17, 2017, 11:50:21 am
That's an awesome butterfly
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 17, 2017, 04:16:06 pm
mosquitoes
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 17, 2017, 05:22:15 pm
;D  I thought someone might catch that!

Yep, some of 'em anyway. Fender has had a factory in Ensenada for some years now. Back in the day Leo Fender insisted on hiring Latinas to wind guitar pickups and wire up guitars & amps. He found they tended to have the right combination of skill and patience necessary to do the job to his demanding standards. In Fender collectors' circles these ladies are well regarded and folks know some of their names. My old Telecaster was wired by Gloria Fuentes, and the pickups in some other Fenders I own or once owned were wound by Abigail Ybarra. (I met Abby ~10 years ago at a guitar show. She's still living.) Both often signed their work.

-Dave-



Dave,

One of the points made by a Mexican official was that, simply, in the US of A they can't legally use certain sprays to varnish, but in Mexico they can. US pickups are hand-made (he said) but Mexican ones bulk produced; both work just as well.

Chinese Nikkors?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on August 17, 2017, 07:37:07 pm
That's an awesome butterfly

It was motionless, even with the frontal lens at less than 7 cm, maybe it was paralyzed by the low temperature.
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Post by: graeme on August 17, 2017, 08:11:57 pm
;D  I thought someone might catch that!

Yep, some of 'em anyway. Fender has had a factory in Ensenada for some years now. Back in the day Leo Fender insisted on hiring Latinas to wind guitar pickups and wire up guitars & amps. He found they tended to have the right combination of skill and patience necessary to do the job to his demanding standards. In Fender collectors' circles these ladies are well regarded and folks know some of their names. My old Telecaster was wired by Gloria Fuentes, and the pickups in some other Fenders I own or once owned were wound by Abigail Ybarra. (I met Abby ~10 years ago at a guitar show. She's still living.) Both often signed their work.

-Dave-

When I realised I was a bloody awful guitarist I bought a Vox Continental Organ.

There was a humungous amount of wiring inside which had labels attached to it with the names of the girls who had assembled the thing.

It sounded fantastic.

Unfortunately I'm a bloody awful keyboard player.

( Sorry Rob, this is drifting - I'll post a photo soon ).
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Post by: Telecaster on August 18, 2017, 12:15:21 am
One of the points made by a Mexican official was that, simply, in the US of A they can't legally use certain sprays to varnish, but in Mexico they can. US pickups are hand-made (he said) but Mexican ones bulk produced; both work just as well.

Chinese Nikkors?

Yep, in Mexico there are fewer restrictions on how you can use nitrocellulose lacquer. It's toxic stuff, though modern formulations are less so than those of the mid 20th century. Ironically most Mexican-made Fenders have polyurethane finishes anyway (as have most US-made Fenders since the 1970s). In the guitar world Nitro vs. Poly is one of those hot-button fanboy topics that causes people to discombobulate.  ::)  My own experience tells me it isn't important.

The thing about hand-made pickups is mostly marketing BS: only Fender's custom shop (the real high-end guitars) has individual winders hand-guiding pickup wire into a machine, and even then the machine is doing most of the work. Even Abby Ybarra used a winding machine back in the '60s. The art is in the guiding technique: controlling wire tension around the pickup's coil (or dual coils with hum-canceling designs). As a fellow guitarist I know says, pickups are magic and making them is wizardry.

Doesn't Nikon have a plant in Vietnam too?

I should photograph an Abby pickup!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 18, 2017, 03:09:30 pm
Yep, in Mexico there are fewer restrictions on how you can use nitrocellulose lacquer. It's toxic stuff, though modern formulations are less so than those of the mid 20th century. Ironically most Mexican-made Fenders have polyurethane finishes anyway (as have most US-made Fenders since the 1970s). In the guitar world Nitro vs. Poly is one of those hot-button fanboy topics that causes people to discombobulate.  ::)  My own experience tells me it isn't important.

The thing about hand-made pickups is mostly marketing BS: only Fender's custom shop (the real high-end guitars) has individual winders hand-guiding pickup wire into a machine, and even then the machine is doing most of the work. Even Abby Ybarra used a winding machine back in the '60s. The art is in the guiding technique: controlling wire tension around the pickup's coil (or dual coils with hum-canceling designs). As a fellow guitarist I know says, pickups are magic and making them is wizardry.

Doesn't Nikon have a plant in Vietnam too?

I should photograph an Abby pickup!

-Dave-


I should have gone straight back in and refused to come out again until they gave me some musical talent. I would rather be an accomplished musician than a photographer. Music can easily bring me goosebumps and piccys almost never. Of course, one has to be partial to goosebumps.

Graeme, enjoy the drifting whilst the current lasts. It's what retirement (or close-cousin unemployment) is all about. The more you practise now the better to enjoy the real thing.

;-(

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 19, 2017, 12:52:57 am
I'm into the Wing It approach to life in general. Or you could call it the Be Like Water approach if you have a fondness for Taoist philosophy. Among other things it probably accounts for both my early retirement and off-topic tendencies.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 19, 2017, 04:52:27 am
I'm into the Wing It approach to life in general. Or you could call it the Be Like Water approach if you have a fondness for Taoist philosophy. Among other things it probably accounts for both my early retirement and off-topic tendencies.  :D

-Dave-


I didn't know you'd hung up the daily handcuffs (as in work, I hasten to add - or did that correction just make it sound worse?) but yes, I do think that allowing the tide to do the pulling makes sense. After all, it will always be stronger than us, and I have come to accept the general truth behind that saying that by thirty-five or forty we are all the person we shall ever be. That accomplished, I realised the rest of it wasn't going to get a whole lot better, so I gave up beating my brain and soul out, and by forty-four took my happy wife and myself out of the local treadmill and into another country where the Sun actually shone. (But that brought me another set of problems now manifest.)

I'm sure we didn't enter into the wheels of another such mill, but life certainly did change dramatically. Most of that was positive but not all. Eventually I did come to miss the actual photographic part of the photographic life, but the time we had together was our own at last and no longer dependent upon the whims of some Friday evening agency call telling me how they just had to have the prints on their desk first thing Monday. So long weekend. I actually do remember one such incident when I gave prints as requested on the Monday, was back in the guy's studio on Wednesday, and my unopened packet of prints still lay on the desk... True love grows from such events.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 19, 2017, 04:09:38 pm
Rob, you beat me into "post-work" life by a year.  :)  I stopped as soon as I could afford to, and have been busy ever since with a combination of what I choose to do and what chooses me. The most meaningful thing has been taking care of my dad during the last year (2010) of his life, but there have been plenty of other rich experiences too. It's nice to wake up in the morning with "What cool new thing(s) can I see/do/learn today?!" in my head.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 19, 2017, 05:06:32 pm
Hi Dave,

I couldn't really afford it, though I thought maybe I could, but we did keep on with a few calendars over the years, but obviously, all the local and short jobs ended pretty damned quickly with the decisive, one-way air tickets! So a staggered commercial diet of caviar (and some stock) for a few more years... but Ann's cooking was even better! And she loved the life here and one of her best days was Sunday when she'd drag me out of bed at 7.30 so we could get to the market and park. Any later and it meant a walk carrying a week's supply of veggies etc. far too far. Then we bought a wheelie thing, and now it gets a very rare outing for carrying the Gitzo. No contest.

Wouldn't have missed it for the world. I hope she'll be waiting for me in the next (with a smile!).

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 19, 2017, 08:20:24 pm
Wouldn't have missed it for the world. I hope she'll be waiting for me in the next (with a smile!).

;-)

Hope so too.  :D

To bring it back around here's an alternate take of Mrs. Cardinal.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 20, 2017, 05:00:35 am
Can I just say that my Japanese-made Yamaha SG700s plays like a dream? I'll post piccies :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 20, 2017, 05:50:07 am
Can I just say that my Japanese-made Yamaha SG700s plays like a dream? I'll post piccies :-)

That looks similar to this:

https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Yamaha_SG2000

We had one in the shop for a while, it was a superb guitar. Weighed a f****g ton.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 20, 2017, 06:02:19 am
This was my first electric guitar:

https://reverb.com/item/11625-vintage-epiphone-et-270-early-1970-s-kurt-cobain-style-japan

Got it in 1979 & sold it in 1983 or 4 to a very cool looking African guy who was crew from a ship docked on the Tyne. I'm sure he did the guitar more justice than I ever could.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on August 20, 2017, 06:59:46 am
That looks similar to this:

https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Yamaha_SG2000

We had one in the shop for a while, it was a superb guitar. Weighed a f****g ton.

The article is wrong though - Santana originally played a Yamaha SG95 (see Moonflower), and Yamaha made changes based on his feedback, changes that went into the later SG models, including the 2000. And yes, it's quite heavy, but then like the Les Paul, it's a solid mahogany body. Mine looks pretty much like the one in the article, but less bling; many of the differences were down to things like whether or not it had gold-covered bits & pieces.

A nice thing about my SG700s is that the tone controls can be pressed in/out to switch between single coil or humbuckers, which opens up a wider range of tones. I can get pretty much everything from Telecaster through to Les Paul, which is nice.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 20, 2017, 03:35:05 pm
Well, since we're still on guitars…   :)  I have an Ibanez AR-300, their late '70s–early '80s take on a double-cut Les Paul type. Similar in appearance to Yamaha's SG series. I previously owned an AR-105, much the same guitar but not as fancy. The 300 has a coil splitter as well as a parallel option in humbucking mode. Made in 1982, which seems to have been a primo year for Japanese electrics in general. Fantastic Maxon-designed "Super 58" pickups. Weighs a bit over 9 lbs, the heaviest guitar I currently own. (The 105 was 10+ lbs., which is mainly why I eventually sold it.) Overall I prefer light guitars but this one is a gem. I've attached a mediocre iPhone pic.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 20, 2017, 08:25:32 pm
I had a play on one of these once:

http://www.terrym.co.uk/1website/page17.htm

Very sexy.

I wish I'd bought it.  ::)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on August 21, 2017, 02:42:08 am
Still experimenting with long time exposures. Slowly progressing, still a lot of failed frames ... here's one of the better ones. I realise when exposing for several minutes and light is changing fast, it's a lot about guessing when the amount of light might be sufficient ...

This one is rather blurred due to strong wind. Vey old fashioned mood from that.


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 21, 2017, 03:34:27 am
I had a play on one of these once:

http://www.terrym.co.uk/1website/page17.htm

Very sexy.

I wish I'd bought it.  ::)


You guys are now kicking a non-player when he's down!

Just toys for wannabe dentists!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 21, 2017, 05:00:06 am

You guys are now kicking a non-player when he's down!

Just toys for wannabe dentists!

;-)

Rob

If you ever heard me play you'd recognise a fellow none player.  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 21, 2017, 06:52:31 am
Back from a week in a chalet on top of a hill in the Ardèche, safely far from the internet :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 21, 2017, 08:12:16 am
safely far from the internet :)

And guitars.

Nice photos.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 22, 2017, 05:18:46 pm
Gordon Lewis has a nice & short piece at The Online Photographer about photographers & musicians and the potential "link between sight and sound" as he puts it:

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 23, 2017, 03:20:53 pm
Back from a week in a chalet on top of a hill in the Ardèche, safely far from the internet :)

Promising knees! Or did you sneak up behind the maid? Please don't ruin a flight of imagination.

;)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on August 23, 2017, 03:44:04 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 23, 2017, 06:25:58 pm
Along with cooler than normal temps, most days this summer the sky has looked a lot like this. Not a bad tradeoff, I guess.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on August 24, 2017, 08:16:41 am
One from last sunday ... tried something light.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 24, 2017, 09:13:38 am
One from last sunday ... tried something light.
It suggests a Japanese painting. Nice.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 24, 2017, 07:43:15 pm
It suggests a Japanese painting. Nice.

+1. Very good.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 24, 2017, 07:45:44 pm
A couple from yesterday's walk to work.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 24, 2017, 07:56:32 pm
I like those, Graeme, especially the first.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on August 26, 2017, 07:19:58 am
I like those, Graeme, especially the first.

+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on August 26, 2017, 07:21:38 am
"Doors of perception"
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on August 26, 2017, 07:34:17 am
They are reassessing watermanagement in our locale and want to allow more natural flowing water forming creeks etc... This should bring back the corresponding original flora and fauna. These damsels are now ubiquitous.

Unfortunately, that green is Sony's interpretation of the real world, not anywhere near what it looks like in my relatively trained colormemory. One day i'll just go full time b/w and never look back...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on August 26, 2017, 02:22:59 pm
Nihil nove sub sole... except my foot and me being bored.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 26, 2017, 03:30:00 pm
They are reassessing watermanagement in our locale and want to allow more natural flowing water forming creeks etc... This should bring back the corresponding original flora and fauna. These damsels are now ubiquitous.

Unfortunately, that green is Sony's interpretation of the real world, not anywhere near what it looks like in my relatively trained colormemory. One day i'll just go full time b/w and never look back...

You probably won't regret it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 26, 2017, 04:16:36 pm
My favorite local nature park has adopted a more hands-off approach over the past decade, which has led to less manicured trails and IMO a better overall vibe. But this has also resulted in mildly comedic sights as in the attached pic: the park bench equivalent of a "room without a view."  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 26, 2017, 05:28:03 pm
My favorite local nature park has adopted a more hands-off approach over the past decade, which has led to less manicured trails and IMO a better overall vibe. But this has also resulted in mildly comedic sights as in the attached pic: the park bench equivalent of a "room without a view."  :)

-Dave-
Why, that log has such a graceful curve, I could sit and meditate on it for hours!  ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: degrub on August 26, 2017, 08:31:00 pm
"zenactly" !
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Farmer on August 26, 2017, 10:58:38 pm
Nihil nove sub sole... except my foot and me being bored.

Glad you were bored, then :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on August 26, 2017, 11:19:06 pm
My favorite local nature park has adopted a more hands-off approach over the past decade, which has led to less manicured trails and IMO a better overall vibe. But this has also resulted in mildly comedic sights as in the attached pic: the park bench equivalent of a "room without a view."  :)

-Dave-

+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice
Post by: Telecaster on August 27, 2017, 11:04:29 pm
"Look closely," as my dad often urged. From this afternoon's walk on the aptly named Deer Run Trail.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on August 28, 2017, 04:20:50 am
My favorite local nature park has adopted a more hands-off approach over the past decade, which has led to less manicured trails and IMO a better overall vibe.

Yes, they also apply this approach to forrestmanagement here which results in a more natural vibe indeed. Leaving dead trees and branches saw the return of small animals which in turn gets more bird of prey etc. Although to be honest i also can't get myself away from the impression that it is additionally a matter of budget or lack thereof.


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 28, 2017, 04:57:42 am
Yes, they also apply this approach to forrestmanagement here which results in a more natural vibe indeed. Leaving dead trees and branches saw the return of small animals which in turn gets more bird of prey etc. Although to be honest i also can't get myself away from the impression that it is additionally a matter of budget or lack thereof.



That's what living to the soundtrack of noisy politicians forces you to understand.

I would have loved to have led a more innocent life too, where my tooth fairy always wore a blue tutu, and Mr and Mrs Leica-Hasselblad brought me a brand new toy with which to start each new year; where my garage contained a '59 Coupe de Ville and a 300SL with gull-wings, and a pretty little Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint sat awating my wife and me at the front door.

Oh - an afterthough: good health accompanied us both forever! (I love putting the most important last - a sort of imagined poetic justice, in a perverted sense of same).

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on August 28, 2017, 07:01:06 am
Oh - an afterthough: good health accompanied us both forever! (I love putting the most important last - a sort of imagined poetic justice, in a perverted sense of same).

Gotta love the irony...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on August 28, 2017, 07:11:42 am
One from last sunday ... tried something light.

Very appealing.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 28, 2017, 09:49:48 am
Very appealing.

Jeremy
Yes!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 28, 2017, 11:24:49 am
Spotted in Heptonstall, UK on Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on August 28, 2017, 11:57:12 am
Spotted in Heptonstall, UK on Sunday afternoon.

Yes!  :D :D :D Well seen and captured.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 28, 2017, 12:20:35 pm
You see how important great DOF? My standard f2 would have failed miserably. Only Photoshop could have saved the day. Maybe St Ansel knew best after all.

Good seeing, but what in blazes were you doing on that side of La Manche? I'd thought you trained by now to enjoy great cuisine!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 28, 2017, 04:36:43 pm
Spotted in Heptonstall, UK on Sunday afternoon.

Hah, the "Defender" looks like Thomas the Tank Engine. Another sheep in wolves' clothing?

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 28, 2017, 04:58:20 pm
Although to be honest i also can't get myself away from the impression that it is additionally a matter of budget or lack thereof.

I imagine that's often the case. This particular park is privately owned, though mostly publicly funded (to get in you have to pay a per-day entrance fee or buy a yearly pass), and is well staffed with a thought-out maintenance plan. The move to the current approach began in the early 2000s after the negative effects of the previous approach started compounding. Way too many deer, predator bird species scared off by too-close-to-nesting-areas human access, too many (invasive) carp in the water at the expense of other fish, not enough ground cover for reptiles and smaller mammals. It's noticeably better now, though there are still issues to be dealt with.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 29, 2017, 04:57:48 am
Something I happened to notice...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on August 29, 2017, 08:30:59 am
Something I happened to notice...

Nice lion… probably the owner!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on August 29, 2017, 09:34:46 am
Signs of autumn:
Vaccinium myrtillus L. at Läch (Lake) de la Basa, Pedruna Valley, Western Grosina Valley;
Luzula alpinopilosa (Chaix) Breistr. at Läch Turchin, Eastern Grosina Valley.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on August 29, 2017, 11:05:23 am
Signs of autumn:

Nice shots but autumn comes too soon…
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 30, 2017, 06:20:42 am
Nice lion… probably the owner!

It was taken in Lyon :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 30, 2017, 05:15:31 pm
Some stuff I saw during this afternoon's trail walk.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on August 31, 2017, 12:07:48 am
autumn comes too soon…

And I lost three weeks of August lying on a sofa, monitoring the first signs of my physical dissolution... Now plants have neither flowers nor fruits anymore.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on August 31, 2017, 03:56:24 am
Another one from last Sunday.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on August 31, 2017, 05:06:35 am
And I lost three weeks of August lying on a sofa, monitoring the first signs of my physical dissolution... Now plants have neither flowers nor fruits anymore.
I'm sorry for you… :(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 31, 2017, 06:09:31 am
And I lost three weeks of August lying on a sofa, monitoring the first signs of my physical dissolution... Now plants have neither flowers nor fruits anymore.


Lucky you: my time doing that has almost ended as I see the process to its completion!

But half of the problem is the goddam sofa itself. During the past four or five days of sciatica - the longest attack yet - I have made myself super comfortable on sofa or at computer chair, forgotten the present reality until, bored with the faux, I try to get up at which moment sofa and/or chair scream at me not to move an inch, or pay for it in spades!

Saul Leiter made a big thing out of person disintegration; every day I feel a greater bond.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 31, 2017, 08:53:18 am
Sunday morning at St George's
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 31, 2017, 08:53:52 am
Another one from last Sunday.
Like :) :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on August 31, 2017, 08:55:19 am
Just in case you think I've gone all colourful... café at the Place Carnot market on a Friday evening.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 31, 2017, 11:49:00 am
Just in case you think I've gone all colourful... café at the Place Carnot market on a Friday evening.


Nice; do I recognize the long-haired girl in the foreground?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on August 31, 2017, 12:58:12 pm
Cheers!!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on August 31, 2017, 02:01:04 pm
Just flip through my pictures of 2017 so far. Not satisfied.



Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on August 31, 2017, 04:24:03 pm
And I lost three weeks of August lying on a sofa, monitoring the first signs of my physical dissolution... Now plants have neither flowers nor fruits anymore.

I've spent the last six weeks or so unable to play guitar due to a chronic right wrist injury. I somehow strained a tendon or ligament in my sleep, causing muscle tissue to swell up, causing some nerve impingement. It gets mostly better, then I do something stupid like lifting a heavy object with my right hand/arm and it starts all over.  :-\  At least I can operate a camera without discomfort…

"Boy, you're gonna carry that weight a long time." (Attached pic.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 31, 2017, 05:37:31 pm
Just flip through my pictures of 2017 so far. Not satisfied.


Blame it on Balzac's coffee: you've got to take them face-on, close up; with a 28mm on FF. Think William Klein. Think what Capa said about distance.

;-)

Rob

P.S. I've only done it once - don't expect streams of bravery from me!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on August 31, 2017, 05:54:46 pm
I've spent the last six weeks or so unable to play guitar due to a chronic right wrist injury. I somehow strained a tendon or ligament in my sleep, causing muscle tissue to swell up, causing some nerve impingement. It gets mostly better, then I do something stupid like lifting a heavy object with my right hand/arm and it starts all over.  :-\  At least I can operate a camera without discomfort…

"Boy, you're gonna carry that weight a long time." (Attached pic.)

-Dave-

You have my sympathy; my sciatica has given me a great excuse stopped me from taking pictures outwith the house; I suppose I shall have to overcome that, because if I don't quite soon, I'll forget what little PS stuff I learned. However, combined with my eye problems, photography has become a bit easier. Yes, easier, because the last few shots I made were with one or the other of my only two af optics. I don't use the others much, not only beause they are manual - and probably nicer than the af ones - but because I'm into wide open (or thereabouts) pix these past few months and trying to do that wih poor vision ain't too successful at the best of times - well, without a split-image screen, that it.

OT, but I've spent a few evenings watching back numbers of the French cop drama: Engrenages (Spirals). It's quite a raw series, and if it represents Paris, then glad to be living in a hick town on an island in the Med!  However, it confirmed a growing suspicion I have held for a while: the French can't speak French. The only people who speak French properly are British school marms and fellow students of the day. We understood one another perfectly. It must be something to do with the Common Market.

Thank goodness for subtitles.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 01, 2017, 02:11:32 am
Nice; do I recognize the long-haired girl in the foreground?

It's possible, so if you do send me her number :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 01, 2017, 05:28:43 am
It's possible, so if you do send me her number :-)


Oh well, then neither of us knows her.

;-(

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 01, 2017, 05:47:10 am
Don't know her, either :(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on September 01, 2017, 08:11:04 am
Don't know her, either :(

I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on September 01, 2017, 08:12:20 am
A weird one from Sunday.
Title: Birds (with feathers)
Post by: brianrybolt on September 01, 2017, 09:22:39 am
As I was walking along the seafront.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 01, 2017, 12:57:55 pm
I feel your pain.


Graeme, you can most certainly pencil in mine, too.

She looks to be perfect lens fodder, the raw material for a plethora of dreams in camera...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 01, 2017, 01:00:03 pm
The weatherman says it's autumn, and the harvest is certainly in ...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on September 01, 2017, 01:43:25 pm
The weatherman says it's autumn, and the harvest is certainly in ...

Excellent scene and processing. What was harvested?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 01, 2017, 04:45:04 pm
OT, but I've spent a few evenings watching back numbers of the French cop drama: Engrenages (Spirals). It's quite a raw series, and if it represents Paris, then glad to be living in a hick town on an island in the Med!  However, it confirmed a growing suspicion I have held for a while: the French can't speak French. The only people who speak French properly are British school marms and fellow students of the day. We understood one another perfectly. It must be something to do with the Common Market.

You should pay a visit to Quebec: my French is poor but more than non-existent, yet what the Québécois speak is unrecognizable to me.  :)

One of my all-time favorite films is Les Ripoux, from 1984 (title sanitized in English as "My New Partner"), a dark cop comedy starring the fab (and prolific) hounddog-faced Philippe Noiret. Ripoux —>Pourris. I still whistle the film's signature melodic phrase at least a couple times per week.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on September 01, 2017, 06:33:28 pm
Excellent scene and processing. What was harvested?

Wheat
Title: Re: Birds (with feathers)
Post by: John R on September 01, 2017, 08:19:44 pm
As I was walking along the seafront.
Superb Brian. Good seeing.

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 02, 2017, 03:38:09 am
Don't know her, either :(


Perfect Leiter mindset; told you he never let's go once you let him in.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 03, 2017, 07:40:12 pm
From this afternoon's trail walk: a threesome.

(In the '80s I worked with a young woman from Paraguay named Leidy.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 03, 2017, 07:45:17 pm
A lady named Leidy.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 04, 2017, 05:47:26 am
You should pay a visit to Quebec: my French is poor but more than non-existent, yet what the Québécois speak is unrecognizable to me.  :)
Here you go, a guide to Quebecois by a Romanian-Canadian who lives in Paris:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYm83H5TOMM
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 04, 2017, 05:48:56 am
A gate. Inside there is the Balukian Institute, which gives money to charitable causes and occasionally hosts exhibitions...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2017, 08:23:48 am
From this afternoon's trail walk: a threesome.

(In the '80s I worked with a young woman from Paraguay named Leidy.)

-Dave-


Strange treesome; lucky Mario - one hopes!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 04, 2017, 02:47:14 pm
Here you go, a guide to Quebecois by a Romanian-Canadian who lives in Paris:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYm83H5TOMM

Funny. My French is good enough for about one word in five, but I think I understood a bit of the joke.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 04, 2017, 02:56:50 pm
Another one from yesterday's walk. Features trees but is not a treesome.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2017, 03:43:21 pm
Another one from yesterday's walk. Features trees but is not a treesome.  :D

-Dave-

That's quite lovely; great shapes and colour.

Look, if you pretend that the motif on the right's a dandelion, then you've got your Fats Domino triplets! Artistic licence, you know.
(Just until you can pick your geetar again, of course.)

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2017, 04:01:56 pm
Funny. My French is good enough for about one word in five, but I think I understood a bit of the joke.

Jeremy

There was a joke?

All I can say is that the girl should listen to Cajun music... 'twould be nice to see how she and it get along. It definitely wouldn't be mistaken for anything other than a French-based sound - I think. As the Louisiana ones came down from L'Acadie in the first place...

She's got a happy wee face, and I love that backlighting to bits.

Understand it? Only the caption!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 04, 2017, 05:06:50 pm
Look, if you pretend that the motif on the right's a dandelion, then you've got your Fats Domino triplets! Artistic licence, you know.
(Just until you can pick your geetar again, of course.)

Hehe, I did have a dandelion (gone to seed) in mind.  :)

Might try some brief guitaring tonight. Always been fond of triplet strums: Pete Townshend, donchaknow.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on September 04, 2017, 06:31:56 pm
That's quite lovely; great shapes and colour.


+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on September 05, 2017, 07:32:16 am
Got up early, just to see I'm still too late ...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on September 05, 2017, 07:48:23 am
Got up early, just to see I'm still too late ...

I think you timed it perfectly - that's dreamy.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on September 05, 2017, 08:02:20 am
I think you timed it perfectly - that's dreamy.
Well, thanks, this shot is ok, it's just not what I was after ... I thought I would come into denser mist, and dawn/before sunrise. But the sun was up and too warm for mist, already. I totally underestimated the amount of traffic at that time, normally I don't drive that early ... lost 30 Minutes on the road. Was a nice walk never the less, few more shots on flickr, see below, if anyone's interested. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 05, 2017, 08:26:42 am
Narcissism rampant.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3133_orig.jpg)

Rob
Ah, now we see you clearly, Rob.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 05, 2017, 09:29:14 am
Ah, now we see you clearly, Rob.

Eric

You may well be right:

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=120444.0

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 05, 2017, 01:25:30 pm
Rob,

I think you are right about the "Big Selfie" idea.
I remember Minor White commenting that every photo is a portrait of the photographer.
For me, I think the urge to photograph comes partly from the notion that my photographs look more interesting than I do.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 05, 2017, 04:32:14 pm
Another pic from my trail walk a couple days ago. Lately I've taken lotsa photos of park benches (sans lichen), algae, flowing streams and eroded rock. What kind of selfie is that?  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 05, 2017, 07:58:01 pm
Here's my selfie for Rob.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 06, 2017, 03:10:40 am
Another pic from my trail walk a couple days ago. Lately I've taken lotsa photos of park benches (sans lichen), algae, flowing streams and eroded rock. What kind of selfie is that?  :D

-Dave-

Apart from being a nice study of colours and texture, the selfie element is obvious: frustration at the injury that prevents the flow of music. Embodied in the image is the difficulty of flow: the minute but, collectively, devastating hinderances to where you want to be. The topography screams difficulty. That's what drew you.

That'll be $750, thank you very much.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 06, 2017, 03:14:47 am
Here's my selfie for Rob.

Eric


How did you know I have a Samsung Smart tv? Perhaps it's due to the old problem of all great minds thinking alike - despite what Slobodan maintains. So, a double portrait, then. (Twofie?)

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on September 06, 2017, 03:32:20 am
What about this selfie!?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 06, 2017, 05:01:09 am
Two things:

1. I, too, would love a Mustang rather than a T-shirt;

2. as thumbnail, the girl's underlayer of pale clothing reminds me of the early days of Playboy, where it was sexy - I think? - for models to show areas of untanned skin where the bikini would have been. I think it made them seem more, well, naked? Or should that be nude, if spoken of within art circles? Is this an art circle?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 06, 2017, 06:08:46 am
Note that you also get a profile shot of the woman in the guy's glasses... :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 06, 2017, 06:11:36 am
Now this is a funny one. Somehow it ticks lots of boxes for a dramatic street photo, there is a little tip of the hat to Fan Ho, and when I put it on 500px it got lots of love.

But it leaves me a little cold. Maybe if the woman with the pale underwear was doing the pedaling ?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: graeme on September 06, 2017, 07:26:47 am
Now this is a funny one. Somehow it ticks lots of boxes for a dramatic street photo, there is a little tip of the hat to Fan Ho, and when I put it on 500px it got lots of love.

But it leaves me a little cold. Maybe if the woman with the pale underwear was doing the pedaling ?

I know what you mean: I think the trouble is that the guy looks like he's dressed up to pose in a commercial photoshoot ( maybe he was on his way to one ).

In every other way I really like it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 06, 2017, 09:39:51 am
A minor key Blues Bro' does nobody any harm...

Rather like it; without any Chinese justification at all.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 06, 2017, 03:30:01 pm
Apart from being a nice study of colours and texture, the selfie element is obvious: frustration at the injury that prevents the flow of music. Embodied in the image is the difficulty of flow: the minute but, collectively, devastating hinderances to where you want to be. The topography screams difficulty. That's what drew you.

That'll be $750, thank you very much.

Nah, taking your advice (before you gave it) I just set the timer, tossed the camera in the air and let it take the photo. Self removal!  ;)

Re-tweaked my gimpy hand yesterday, while lifting a guitar case.  :'(

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 06, 2017, 04:26:03 pm
Nah, taking your advice (before you gave it) I just set the timer, tossed the camera in the air and let it take the photo. Self removal!  ;)

Re-tweaked my gimpy hand yesterday, while lifting a guitar case.  :'(

-Dave-

David, I think you need help. Hire an assistant.

Regarding the photographic aspect: should the assistant throw the working camera into the air, would that be plagiarism? Can you sue a camera?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 06, 2017, 04:55:34 pm
The upside to having a "summer" with a near-constant influx of cool-ish northern air (in contrast to the roasting other parts of the US are receiving) is gettting to enjoy cloudscapes like this multiple times per week. Took this via iPhone outside my neighborhood coffee emporium earlier this afternoon.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 07, 2017, 09:19:11 am
Substitute fashion models. Very nice, Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 07, 2017, 10:18:32 am
Substitute fashion models. Very nice, Rob.


Thanks, Eric; closer than you might seriously think.

In my working days it was all about showing whatever was being worn, and that usually meant frontal lighting. I would love the opportunity of using some of the same people in similar backlit situations as those two sunflowers found themselves occupying. Okay, the same people but as they were back in the 60s and 70s. After that it was all calendars, and that isn't something I really crave anymore. Well, unless somebody offers me a nice packet of money, that is. Ever the commercial whore! Can whores live in hope? But for sure, granted a return to the days of yore, fashion would rule. Having said which, my mind returns to some of the fabric horrors that I did have to shoot... maybe no sweeping statements of desire after all, then.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on September 07, 2017, 10:44:00 am
Yellow and green
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on September 07, 2017, 11:31:51 am
Indeed, that's really green and yellow!
I like them both.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 07, 2017, 04:26:01 pm
Another iPhone pic from yesterday, from inside my car (through the window) en route to dinner. The Hellmouth descends!  ;)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on September 08, 2017, 04:40:27 am
Another iPhone pic from yesterday, from inside my car (through the window) en route to dinner. The Hellmouth descends!  ;)

-Dave-

Perfect timing, the aircraft is escaping the storm...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 08, 2017, 10:42:26 am
Nice flower! (Genesis Mk 2)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 08, 2017, 05:54:54 pm
I took a more dynamic version of this last evening, in softer light after a brief downpour, but the resulting pic was sabotaged by a camera hiccup (my bad…low battery). Ended up with a monochrome JPEG, losing all the chromatic subtlety of the scene, and a corrupted RAW.  :-\  Anyway this one will do for now. Some early autumn color in my locale, likely due to the October-like weather we've been getting for the past two weeks.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 09, 2017, 05:57:38 am
Something minimalist...

(and cheap to print  ;D )
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 09, 2017, 03:47:49 pm
Nice one, Graham!  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 10, 2017, 03:33:49 pm
There is a long tradition of trompe-l’œil murals in Lyon...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 11, 2017, 04:08:48 am
Yesterday I took my teleconverter out to play. These are from a 200x1.4x1.5 (crop factor). If for nothing else than to violate the "how to do street" advice that some people like to give :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 11, 2017, 04:09:17 am
There is a long tradition of trompe-l’œil murals in Lyon...

And to think how realistic those bikes look!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 11, 2017, 04:17:51 am
Yesterday I took my teleconverter out to play. These are from a 200x1.4x1.5 (crop factor). If for nothing else than to violate the "how to do street" advice that some people like to give :)

Squatter with Bird is a great combination of timing (good fortune?) and eye and focal length! You've almost given me enough inspiration to go out with a camera today myself. But as I'm going out to have lunch, perhaps that will be exertion enough for one day... I did do a washing this morning before starting breakfast; I suppose that the onerous on'n'off duty of watching the things dry may preclude my doing anything much else.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on September 11, 2017, 04:29:21 am
Squatter with Bird is a great combination of timing (good fortune?) and eye and focal length! You've almost given me enough inspiration to go out with a camera today myself. But as I'm going out to have lunch, perhaps that will be exertion enough for one day... I did do a washing this morning before starting breakfast; I suppose that the onerous on'n'off duty of watching the things dry may preclude my doing anything much else.

;-)

I command you to go out today because we've seen enough flower DOF faux pas from you.

The squatter image is a cool shot, though works better in thumbnail. Another DOF faux pas-er?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on September 11, 2017, 04:48:46 am
Oh, and btw Rob, i want to see an actual human being in your shot, because Russ tells us a picture with a human being is infinitely more interesting than one without... (That's "human being" not "clothes")
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 11, 2017, 06:06:45 am
Squatter with Bird is a great combination of timing (good fortune?)

Yup. Was taking another shot (which was boring), then saw the pigeon, re-focused as best I could and pressed the button. Had some awareness of the group of people walking up behind, but their alignment and the crouch was pure luck.

I had been thinking again about the problem of the brain guessing what should be there... but I think there is another side, that you can react without seeing things. Ie something in my head maybe had time to recognise that something was happening NOW and I should press the button, even though there wasn't time to render it as part of my visual perception. There seems to be an implausibly high proportion of photos where there is something going on that I wasn't aware of when taking it... and some days it's there in lots of photos, and other days... nothing.

But luck does funny things, too... :-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 11, 2017, 07:08:40 am
Yup. Was taking another shot (which was boring), then saw the pigeon, re-focused as best I could and pressed the button. Had some awareness of the group of people walking up behind, but their alignment and the crouch was pure luck.

I had been thinking again about the problem of the brain guessing what should be there... but I think there is another side, that you can react without seeing things. Ie something in my head maybe had time to recognise that something was happening NOW and I should press the button, even though there wasn't time to render it as part of my visual perception. There seems to be an implausibly high proportion of photos where there is something going on that I wasn't aware of when taking it... and some days it's there in lots of photos, and other days... nothing.

But luck does funny things, too... :-)

Yes, I find the same thing happens with the 'windows' things that fascinate me. I discover all manner of alternatives within the shot once I have it on the monitor. I have even made mistakes that, immediately that I see them, make me think hey, why didn't I think of that?

No wonder free photography becomes so amazingly addictive, even if I am doing a little cold turkey right now.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 11, 2017, 04:08:11 pm
Squatter with Bird is a great combination of timing (good fortune?) and eye and focal length!

Yep!

I skipped my usual "walk in the park with camera" today…some lingering indigestion due to a dodgy dinner burrito last night. But on the plus side I took my #2 Telecaster for a spin Saturday night, with no negative hand/wrist consequences.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on September 11, 2017, 08:11:40 pm
Campanula scheuchzeri Vill. and Pirla fall.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 12, 2017, 03:44:09 am
Yep!

I skipped my usual "walk in the park with camera" today…some lingering indigestion due to a dodgy dinner burrito last night. But on the plus side I took my #2 Telecaster for a spin Saturday night, with no negative hand/wrist consequences.  :D

-Dave-

You see the therapeutical benefits from those flying musical "brothers"?

Did you know that Keef and Gram Parsons were good mates?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 12, 2017, 04:16:40 am
In defence of house-bound photography (if you want a pun in French, I'm calling it "littoral" :) )

(Dave, doing what I like in moderation often seems to be a good cure for the consequences of doing it with immoderation).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 12, 2017, 05:39:18 am
In defence of house-bound photography (if you want a pun in French, I'm calling it "littoral" :) )

(Dave, doing what I like in moderation often seems to be a good cure for the consequences of doing it with immoderation).

Beware! Eric may sue!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 12, 2017, 09:16:17 am
Beware! Eric may sue!

;-)

Rob
No way! I am a fan, as you know, of bedroom photos.   ;)

Nice one, Graham.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 12, 2017, 07:40:10 pm
You see the therapeutical benefits from those flying musical "brothers"?

Did you know that Keef and Gram Parsons were good mates?

Indeed! And "Bad Breakfast Burritos" is something of a meme these days among touring musicians, with the days of luxurious excess now in the rearview mirror. I guess the *Brothers were on it.  :)

-Dave-

*I should say the Other Brothers, as the Allmans were and are "the Brothers."
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 12, 2017, 07:44:02 pm
So I took a moderate walk today  :)  and found that Graham's bird has seemingly taken an immoderate journey.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 12, 2017, 08:21:09 pm
So I took a moderate walk today  :)  and found that Graham's bird has seemingly taken an immoderate journey.

-Dave-
... after which it announced, "Nevermore!"    ;)

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 13, 2017, 05:45:13 am
So I took a moderate walk today  :)  and found that Graham's bird has seemingly taken an immoderate journey.


Burnt black by the speed...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 13, 2017, 08:14:06 am
And so quickly, it only had time for half of a kiss!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 13, 2017, 04:37:45 pm
Burnt black by the speed...

When you go at high flow…

Or is it *When you blow at high dough (http://www.hipmuseum.com/blow.html)…

-Dave-

*A Tragic reference for sure
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 14, 2017, 04:10:44 pm
With all the iPhone stuff now on the marketing merry-go-round, here's a phone pic from a couple days ago. Taken just outside my fav caffeine emporium.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on September 16, 2017, 03:11:13 pm
Still experimenting with long time exposure. This time I was lucky with the direction of the wind and how clouds moved. Unfortunately the sun was gone just after that shot, very big cloud in the west at sunset ...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 16, 2017, 10:50:04 pm
Still experimenting with long time exposure.

I like it. Catch some sunset color along with the cloud motion and you'll have a poppin' pic!  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on September 17, 2017, 04:51:04 am
Thanks, it's not too far away so I'll be able to go there once in a while, probably. The problem is, you cannot alter your point of view a lot, because it's all swamp around there. So my position is more or less fixed, which makes it harder to react to changing conditions ... not easy to find a accessible subject ...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 17, 2017, 06:26:55 am
...here's a phone pic from a couple days ago.


Like :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 17, 2017, 06:27:33 am
Self "portrait"
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 17, 2017, 10:15:39 am
Self "portrait"

A homage to Arno Rafael Minkkinen?

https://goo.gl/images/Qav6uy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 17, 2017, 05:19:51 pm
Post-hoc, anything is possible :)

Something seen today... makes sense...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 17, 2017, 05:22:44 pm
A homage to Arno Rafael Minkkinen?

https://goo.gl/images/Qav6uy

Ha, it gets strange. I saw one of his images a few days ago... the name didn't mean anything to me until I was clicking through your link:
(http://www.thisiscolossal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/arno-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 18, 2017, 03:19:43 am
Ha, it gets strange. I saw one of his images a few days ago... the name didn't mean anything to me until I was clicking through your link:

Inspired by Escher (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/4/49/Drawing_hands.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070427221756), perhaps?

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on September 18, 2017, 03:42:08 am
The Escher is so well known that I think it would be difficult to claim to not have been influenced by it!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on September 19, 2017, 05:12:15 am
Cellpic of a headache.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 19, 2017, 05:14:25 am
Cellpic of a headache.

I feel her pain.

Nice to see you back!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: FranciscoDisilvestro on September 19, 2017, 08:37:06 am
Make-up session

(http://www.frankdisilvestro.com.au/img/s6/v135/p2524377126-6.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 19, 2017, 11:32:53 am
Nice girl, Frank; envy you today!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 19, 2017, 09:04:30 pm
Channeling my inner BobDavid :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 19, 2017, 09:47:00 pm
The second is more BobDavidy.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: FranciscoDisilvestro on September 20, 2017, 03:38:40 am
Nice girl, Frank; envy you today!

;-)

Rob

 8)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on September 20, 2017, 04:14:12 am
Channeling my inner BobDavid :)

Ha! Gas stations are oddly photogenic. ... I like them both.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on September 20, 2017, 04:36:47 am
The recliner is in decline, and it's blocking the door.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 20, 2017, 10:09:47 am
The recliner is in decline, and it's blocking the door.
I think it's making a political protest against the idea of opening that door.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on September 20, 2017, 10:25:21 am
I think it's making a political protest against the idea of opening that door.

It's detrimental to one's health to open the door during flight...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2017, 10:59:22 am
Eric, you can't have a political protest without a placard.

Unless, of course, you're having an abstract one.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 20, 2017, 12:08:43 pm
Eric, you can't have a political protest without a placard.

Unless, of course, you're having an abstract one.

;-)

Rob
All my placards are abstract!   :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2017, 04:30:35 pm
All my placards are abstract!   :D


Just like my rallies, then!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on September 20, 2017, 06:44:57 pm
a walk
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 20, 2017, 07:27:55 pm
I like, Armand. Especially the first two.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on September 20, 2017, 09:45:16 pm
I,liek, Armand. Especially the first two.

Thank you, I tried to make the best of the light.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on September 21, 2017, 08:38:44 pm
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 21, 2017, 09:21:02 pm
.
Was this one inspired by my misspelling of "like" in my recent post?   ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on September 22, 2017, 02:28:09 am
  +.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on September 22, 2017, 02:29:03 am
File Error
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 22, 2017, 09:12:06 am
Errors often produce the most interesting results. I like it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on September 22, 2017, 10:13:09 am
.

I am very envious (TURP next thursday...).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on September 22, 2017, 01:46:22 pm
I am very envious (TURP next thursday...).
Good luck!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on September 22, 2017, 03:03:46 pm
old building
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 22, 2017, 05:24:37 pm
From today's trail walk: "Daddy Jess."

(BTW, today—first day of autumn—is tied with yesterday—last day of summer—for hottest day of the year (so far) in my locale. 91°F, which is a cooler-than-normal maximum yearly high temp. Mid/late September has been warmer than was mid/late August. This was also true of mid/late April compared with mid/late May. Bizarro!)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on September 23, 2017, 03:37:27 am
Good luck!

Thank you! (but also the bladder doesn't "push"...)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 23, 2017, 05:48:14 am
From today's trail walk: "Daddy Jess."

(BTW, today—first day of autumn—is tied with yesterday—last day of summer—for hottest day of the year (so far) in my locale. 91°F, which is a cooler-than-normal maximum yearly high temp. Mid/late September has been warmer than was mid/late August. This was also true of mid/late April compared with mid/late May. Bizarro!)

-Dave-


Fake news; political agenda designed to stop America being great again. (Many of us non-radical foreigners always thought it still was great - which just goes to show you!)

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 23, 2017, 01:05:13 pm
I am very envious (TURP next thursday...).

Best wishes. Mine, nearly 5 years ago, was dramatically beneficial and with no adverse effects.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 23, 2017, 04:01:13 pm
Fake news; political agenda designed to stop America being great again.

Ya mean Daddy Jess isn't real?!   ???  :-[

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on September 23, 2017, 04:10:20 pm
Ya mean Daddy Jess isn't real?!   ???  :-[

-Dave-

Can't swear about that either way, but Santa sure is: I inhabited him for two kids for several years and then my audience turned and mocked...

I took refuge in early nights after that. But I didn't sulk; I was brave about it.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on September 23, 2017, 07:27:04 pm
Best wishes. Mine, nearly 5 years ago, was dramatically beneficial and with no adverse effects.

Jeremy

Thank you Jeremy.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on September 23, 2017, 10:27:28 pm
Can't swear about that either way, but Santa sure is: I inhabited him for two kids for several years and then my audience turned and mocked...

I took refuge in early nights after that. But I didn't sulk; I was brave about it.

My (coffee) drinking pal J used to be a Santa. During the holiday season he worked at malls and sometimes at parties in folks' homes. He had the flowing white hair & beard & general roly-poly-ness, which made him popular with kids 'cuz it was all legit. Then he got serious about keeping himself in decent health and lost a bunch of weight. Then his wife said, "You look ridiculous with your thin face and all that hair!" So snip-snip went the white stuff…and with it the Santa jobs.  ;D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on September 24, 2017, 03:38:03 pm
balance
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 24, 2017, 06:13:44 pm
Ah, I can dimly remember being able to rock-hop like that. It must have been some thirty or more years ago, alas.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on September 25, 2017, 02:50:14 am
Taken on the 1st day of Autumn
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Post by: Bruce Cox on September 25, 2017, 12:58:46 pm
There was a big bug on my car this September.
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Post by: Telecaster on September 25, 2017, 05:42:50 pm
On the subject of non-human creatures, I came across this chillax'd young fella during my afternoon trail walk.

[Edit: reprocessed the pic…got a little heavy-handed with the luminosity curve tool. Made it bigger too. And included a second pic in the same sequence.]

-Dave-
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Post by: 32BT on September 26, 2017, 01:23:53 pm
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3149_orig.jpg)

Rob

If i squint i see a desire to stop the inevitable...
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Post by: Rob C on September 26, 2017, 02:52:30 pm
"If i squint i see a desire to stop the inevitable..." - Oscar

Funny thing: that was shot one evening with nice cross-sunlight; these days, the very last thing that I desire is sunshine. I have a wish to work in "almost raining" weather: cloudy, requiring lots of exposure that means I can use my too-high native ISO settings cameras and be able to get slow shutter speeds. Yes, I do have a variable ND filter, but in strong light it still forces me to stop far too far down in order to get slow shutters; f2 @ 1/15th would be cute. And no, I don't want to be doing this at night. Worse, using the thing rotated too far means that the image will have visible faults - according to Hoya. If there are to be faults, I rather I author them myself!

Rob
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 26, 2017, 02:55:23 pm
If there are to be faults, I rather I author them myself!

My thoughts exactly. And I'm damn good at doing it, I like to think. Often (usually) entirely unintentionally.

Jeremy
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Post by: Rob C on September 26, 2017, 02:57:33 pm
My thoughts exactly. And I'm damn good at doing it, I like to think. Often (usually) entirely unintentionally.

Jeremy

That's the artist within! Can't control those mothers; they'll ruin you if you don't get really, really tough with 'em.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 26, 2017, 04:32:41 pm
That's the artist within! Can't control those mothers; they'll ruin you if you don't get really, really tough with 'em.
But often the faults are really the best photos. 
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Post by: Rob C on September 26, 2017, 05:33:44 pm
But often the faults are really the best photos.

Exactly!

That's why I stay with old cameras: I can use them with a free conscience, and make their output even more distressed by adding all sorts of rubbish to disguise the flaws of perfection!

As a filmo, you knew perfectly well the delights of Tri X or the Ilford alternative; as the ultra-fine stuff was already available in Pans X and F, there was no need to feel sad or ashamed about grain: one could actually celebrate it when it was there as invited guest! Everybody who counted knew it was a considered choice. How times changed, and with them this new craze for everything pristine and beautifully sterile!

The taste of freedom is very sweet.

Having said which, I'd still thank Santa for a working M9 with mended sensor...
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Post by: Telecaster on September 26, 2017, 10:15:56 pm
Not taken with an M9, though much of my pic taking this year has been. (Got it late last year from an acquaintance of a friend. The same guy who sold me his M8.2 in early 2014.) Un-mended sensor, no corrosion to date.

Anyway these two come from my little Panasonic and its spiffy 100–400mm zoom. There was a Moon/Saturn *conjunction tonight. The first is a single-capture view, at ~185mm, with Saturn no more than a fuzzy speck below and left of the Moon. The second is a composite of two pics taken at 400mm, with Saturn also up-res'd by 100% in post.

[Edit: I've added a second version of the composite image, with better adjusted black levels between the two source pics. On my TV the brighter background of the main (Moon) pic was annoyingly obvious.]

-Dave-

*Evidently this has some astrological significance. My interest, however, is merely æsthetical and geometrical.  ;D
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Post by: Rob C on September 27, 2017, 06:17:25 am
As a matter of passing interest - passing because it isn't going to result in a purchase - did you find that M-type cameras made you feel any different about your photography, or did it all end up as part of the usual GAS thing where after the first shoot with it, you found yourself right back in square #1?

My own interest is probably based on the fact that the last time I touched a working Leica (M3) was in '65 when I left my final employer. I have never owned Leica, knowing the rangefinder system wasn't really any use for my favourite portrait focal length (for 35mm fomats) - 135mm - and when I discovered the R6 it was very far behind Nikon in vital things such as full-frame viewing. But I was tempted for a while...

Rob
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Post by: 32BT on September 27, 2017, 10:15:31 am
As a matter of passing interest - passing because it isn't going to result in a purchase - did you find that M-type cameras made you feel any different about your photography, or did it all end up as part of the usual GAS thing where after the first shoot with it, you found yourself right back in square #1?

My own interest is probably based on the fact that the last time I touched a working Leica (M3) was in '65 when I left my final employer. I have never owned Leica, knowing the rangefinder system wasn't really any use for my favourite portrait focal length (for 35mm fomats) - 135mm - and when I discovered the R6 it was very far behind Nikon in vital things such as full-frame viewing. But I was tempted for a while...

Rob

Mike seems to think that Fuji is the new Leica: Lenses (http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/lenses/)

Scroll or read all the way down to where he writes about the term "Fujicrons"

I know you already looked at the Fuji, but Mike has some additional experience to share about actual use, and when he gives his okay on a lens, it's pretty much gospel as far as i'm concerned.
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Post by: Telecaster on September 27, 2017, 03:12:44 pm
As a matter of passing interest - passing because it isn't going to result in a purchase - did you find that M-type cameras made you feel any different about your photography, or did it all end up as part of the usual GAS thing where after the first shoot with it, you found yourself right back in square #1?

The first serious camera I learned how to use (c. 1970) was my dad's M2. Rangefinders are the type of camera I still feel most comfortable with. Doesn't have to be a Leica so long as I can focus accurately and relatively quickly with it. The first SLR I had was a Canon AE-1, which I bought with a 50/1.4 lens to take on my Middle East voyage 1983–85. After that I went back to the M2, adding a few Zeiss (Contax) RFs along the way. Around 2000 I got a used Contax Aria SLR and used that, with various lenses, along with the RFs 'til the Canon 10D came out in 2003. Nothing fancy lens-wise pre-digital: 28–135mm range, though I did (and do) have a Zeiss 21/4.5 for the Contax RFs.

In the digital era I've experimented with all kinds of stuff, including an Epson R-D1 RF, but this past year I've returned to the Leicas. Ms aren't everyone's cuppa: I think you either gel with 'em or you don't. To me everything about them is second nature. Simple controls, muscle memory. The results with the M8s and M9 are no more film-like than with any other sensor-based camera, but I really enjoy using them. With SLRs, and even EVF-equipped mirrorless stuff, I always feel the urge to use longer lenses, get more reach. With an RF even a 90mm lens feels long to me because its frame in the viewfinder is so small. Dunno if the pics I take are any "better" but I certainly enjoy the process of taking them more. And for me the process, the doing of it, is primary.

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on September 28, 2017, 01:05:00 am
Taken on the 1st day of Autumn

I like this one a lot. Cool light and pleasing geometry.

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on September 28, 2017, 03:48:59 am
The first serious camera I learned how to use (c. 1970) was my dad's M2. Rangefinders are the type of camera I still feel most comfortable with. Doesn't have to be a Leica so long as I can focus accurately and relatively quickly with it. The first SLR I had was a Canon AE-1, which I bought with a 50/1.4 lens to take on my Middle East voyage 1983–85. After that I went back to the M2, adding a few Zeiss (Contax) RFs along the way. Around 2000 I got a used Contax Aria SLR and used that, with various lenses, along with the RFs 'til the Canon 10D came out in 2003. Nothing fancy lens-wise pre-digital: 28–135mm range, though I did (and do) have a Zeiss 21/4.5 for the Contax RFs.

In the digital era I've experimented with all kinds of stuff, including an Epson R-D1 RF, but this past year I've returned to the Leicas. Ms aren't everyone's cuppa: I think you either gel with 'em or you don't. To me everything about them is second nature. Simple controls, muscle memory. The results with the M8s and M9 are no more film-like than with any other sensor-based camera, but I really enjoy using them. With SLRs, and even EVF-equipped mirrorless stuff, I always feel the urge to use longer lenses, get more reach. With an RF even a 90mm lens feels long to me because its frame in the viewfinder is so small. Dunno if the pics I take are any "better" but I certainly enjoy the process of taking them more. And for me the process, the doing of it, is primary.

-Dave-

Hi Dave,

Yes, I can see that if you more or less grew up with Leicas around then you'd naturally go there, too. Nice way to start your photography!

I mentioned finding a different look to work I printed from Leica wides, and I also found that trannies looked different from Leica. I once had to make some Cibachromes from some Leica fashion shots made, I was told, by John Swannell, erstwhile Bailey assistant. The colours were unlike my Nikon work.

http://www.modelpix.com/retroframes.html

Read the introduction, and have a smile at the man's quest for colour similarity! I think all of us have had searches for what may be a magic ingredient in another's work, but does it really exist? I suspect not; if anything, it's that person's overall technique and eye for what to photograph.

Rob

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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 28, 2017, 09:31:09 am
Good thing he is behind the bars.
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 28, 2017, 09:34:42 am
... Anyway these two come from my little Panasonic and its spiffy 100–400mm zoom. There was a Moon/Saturn *conjunction tonight. The first is a single-capture view, at ~185mm, with Saturn no more than a fuzzy speck below and left of the Moon. The second is a composite of two pics taken at 400mm, with Saturn also up-res'd by 100% in post...

You can take such a sharp image of Saturn at 800mm (even if at 100%)? That wasn't a cutout of a magazine illustration of Saturn? If true, it is amazing what we can do today with cameras and lenses (and software).
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 28, 2017, 09:46:43 am
Been to a friend's al fresco concert (and witnessed the sky):
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Post by: degrub on September 28, 2017, 10:08:40 am
You can take such a sharp image of Saturn at 800mm (even if at 100%)? That wasn't a cutout of a magazine illustration of Saturn? If true, it is amazing what we can do today with cameras and lenses (and software).
The hard part is keeping the lens on target given the rotation of the earth and loss of resolving power from atmospheric distortion.
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Post by: GrahamBy on September 28, 2017, 10:52:19 am
Everybody who counted knew it was a considered choice. How times changed, and with them this new craze for everything pristine and beautifully sterile!


I think "craze" best describes the rush to use filters to smear fake grain over a clean image, or to rush back to use film because it's supposed more "artistic"... but we can disagree.

Yesterday I saw a quote from Ralf Gibson, who was admittedly flogging Leica's at the time: that the Monochrom (read: any good digital camera) allowed him to make a photo of anything he could see, and consequently he had no further interest in film.

It would be provoctive of me to suggest that a Leica Monochrom is an "old camera" in that it is built a generation behind what is currently possible, thereby aquiring "character" of the same sort found in the dubious electricals of Italian motorcycles of my youth...
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Post by: 32BT on September 28, 2017, 12:37:04 pm
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/7399803-sacrif-orig_orig.jpg)

Rob

Inner madness?
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 28, 2017, 12:37:32 pm
Been to a friend's al fresco concert (and witnessed the sky):

Hell of a sky!

Jeremy
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Post by: Rob C on September 28, 2017, 02:07:52 pm
Inner madness?

Or, fear of the Black Hole?

;-)

Rob
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Post by: Telecaster on September 28, 2017, 03:32:20 pm
You can take such a sharp image of Saturn at 800mm (even if at 100%)? That wasn't a cutout of a magazine illustration of Saturn? If true, it is amazing what we can do today with cameras and lenses (and software).

Handheld too! ISO 1600. I've attached a pre-upres crop of the Saturn pic. (Oops, had to convert the 16-bit TIF to JPEG first.)

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on September 28, 2017, 04:40:04 pm
I think all of us have had searches for what may be a magic ingredient in another's work, but does it really exist? I suspect not; if anything, it's that person's overall technique and eye for what to photograph.

Yes, Malinowski. Only vaguely familiar with him. Don't know Giacobetti at all.

Guitardom is full of "If I get the kind of guitar xxxx has I'll be able to play like xxxx!" It's an odd kind of naïveté. Maybe, if you're fortunate, in that quest to be someone else you'll find yourself.

Leica has been really good at maintaining a consistent look across their rangefinder lens line since the late '60s/early '70s. Ironically this coincided with their loss of market share (for other reasons) to SLRs. I really like the '70s & '80s Walter Mandler lens designs. He had to do the best he could given the financial constraints he was under.

-Dave-
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Post by: 32BT on September 29, 2017, 01:30:38 pm
Exquisitely restored Citroën Traction Avant
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Post by: Rob C on September 30, 2017, 11:35:15 am
If it hasn't got a "75" plate, then it's worthless, even if it is a tarted sister to Maigret's wheels.

That's exactly the sort of critique at which Without Prejudice excels: frank, honest, fair, open-minded and without a soupçon of pretentiousness. I feel proud to be a cog of this mighty thing, this wheel of life as she is lived.

Rob
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Post by: 32BT on September 30, 2017, 12:25:47 pm
I just checked, she's from 56. I think maybe the shine of the bodypaint isn't zeitgeistgenau. Or maybe that's just because my first memory of this car was in the barn of my grandpa where he used to keep one of those once-to-be-restored projects. I was maybe 4 years old and my brother and I would pretend play driving great distances to unknown destinations, often through pretend rain because the coolest thing to us was the windscreenwhipers that would be handoperated from inside the car. Not sure how that would pan out in reality...
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 30, 2017, 02:00:52 pm
Going nowhere...

Jeremy
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 30, 2017, 02:02:36 pm
If it hasn't got a "75" plate, then it's worthless, even if it is a tarted sister to Maigret's wheels.

In red, Rob? I never understood why some (all?) 75 plates were red.

I just checked, she's from 56.

I think Rob meant a Parisian plate.

Jeremy
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Post by: 32BT on September 30, 2017, 02:18:11 pm

I think Rob meant a Parisian plate.

Jeremy

Ah, yes, you're likely right, the place he wanted to live all along...
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Post by: Rob C on September 30, 2017, 02:27:38 pm
Thank you, Jeremy!

Oscar: Paris or Rome - it would have been much the same to me other than at the time I spoke Italian much better than I do now, when it has disintegrated into Spitalian, and I never know which one may come out of my mouth - usually not very well. Had I remembered school French better, I'd be able to handle this in perfect Mediterranean. As it is, French remains a written language to me, which can be read but no longer penned or understood through the ear. Who says the mind doesn't go on holiday?

I'm currently watching Engrenages, a French cop drama series, and without subtitles I'd be lost. But I'm reliably told that the French seldom understand other French people either. Which explains a lot about their politics. Just like the Brits, then.

;-(

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 01, 2017, 05:48:05 am
But I'm reliably told that the French seldom understand other French people either.

Listening would reduce the time available for talking...

Here's Cynthia last night, at iso6400
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Post by: Rob C on October 01, 2017, 06:40:53 am
Listening would reduce the time available for talking...

Here's Cynthia last night, at iso6400

What, she can play without looking?

Good grief; makes me feel even more musically incapable than ever.

;-(

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 01, 2017, 10:09:23 am
What, she can play withou looking?

Indeed. She did another performance where she played entirely with her eyes closed and turned to the side so that her face could be painted as she played.
Apparently that required some practice.
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Post by: Rob C on October 01, 2017, 12:15:58 pm
Indeed. She did another performance where she played entirely with her eyes closed and turned to the side so that her face could be painted as she played.
Apparently that required some practice.

Yes, it does: some do make-up better than others.

;-)

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 01, 2017, 01:10:16 pm
The grain on the Pentax can be surprisingly slight if the light isn't too red... here is the final shot, where a flood from over the audience was brought up. It's at iso25800...
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Post by: farbschlurf on October 01, 2017, 03:11:55 pm
Some Kitsch.

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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 01, 2017, 03:27:37 pm
Some Kitsch.

I'll see yours and raise you mine:
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 01, 2017, 03:32:31 pm
This is Cynthia 2 years ago in the first of the "Animus" series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspjL64uGkc

She does know her way around a keyboard (and beyond).
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Post by: farbschlurf on October 01, 2017, 03:34:34 pm
I'll see yours and raise you mine:
Ah! You know, you just cannot resist when some things happen right before your eyes!
;-)
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 01, 2017, 03:35:08 pm
And from another angle...
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Post by: Rob C on October 01, 2017, 05:11:16 pm
Reminds me of a blues: Trouble in mind...

;-)

Rob
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Post by: BobDavid on October 02, 2017, 04:20:38 am
Stock photo-ish tree pic
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Post by: Telecaster on October 02, 2017, 05:24:06 pm
From today's trail walk.

(I coulda put this in the Abstract thread, but I view abstraction as a matter of intent as well as result. This is just a crop I happen to like from an otherwise meh photo.  :) )

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on October 02, 2017, 08:50:53 pm
Another square. The Moon showed up again tonight too.

-Dave-
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 03, 2017, 08:08:49 am
Back to black (and white).

This was with my muscle-building lens, a 300/2.8 hand held at 1/30. I like image stabilisation :)
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on October 03, 2017, 02:20:51 pm
Another square. The Moon showed up again tonight too.

Power lines serving a useful purpose!

Jeremy
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Post by: 32BT on October 04, 2017, 05:55:30 am
Neither telegraph pole, nor Nevada desert. Although come to think of it, if you look carefully, maybe it is the modern equivalent of a telegraphpole...
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Post by: Telecaster on October 04, 2017, 03:20:56 pm
A subject I often use to test focus & exposure accuracy with newly acquired gear…or, as in this case, newly paired camera/lens combos.  :)  It's next to my backyard.

-Dave-
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Post by: BobDavid on October 05, 2017, 03:43:20 am
A subject I often use to test focus & exposure accuracy with newly acquired gear…or, as in this case, newly paired camera/lens combos.  :)  It's next to my backyard.

-Dave-
good test subject
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Post by: BobDavid on October 05, 2017, 03:44:41 am
"Petri Dish"
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 05, 2017, 08:32:11 am
Good ones, Rob and Bob.
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Post by: muntanela on October 05, 2017, 04:08:11 pm
Some details of the IV Pavilion of the Morelli Hospital in Sondalo. (After the TURP)

https://museodeisanatori.com/paesaggio/

(Italian and english text)
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Post by: Telecaster on October 05, 2017, 05:56:56 pm
Some details of the IV Pavilion of the Morelli Hospital in Sondalo. (After the TURP)

Heckuva location!

(I presume the TURP happened elsewhere…)

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on October 05, 2017, 06:04:22 pm
From today's trail walk. Took pics via 35/1.4 lens wide open (3-stop ND filter). Even the selfie!

-Dave-
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Post by: muntanela on October 06, 2017, 03:55:09 am
Heckuva location!

(I presume the TURP happened elsewhere…)

-Dave-

The TURP happened here (look at the arrow). That door (it was the outside door of my room) is older then seventy (the interior of the pavilion is quite, or enough, modern).
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Post by: farbschlurf on October 06, 2017, 04:11:29 am
Tourists.

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Post by: BobDavid on October 06, 2017, 04:32:58 am
Round
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 06, 2017, 04:45:32 am
Tourists.

Excellent... they look as if they're on stage... :)
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Post by: JNB_Rare on October 06, 2017, 08:02:19 am
Tourist posing with Pride Day Paraders (taken 13 years ago, now).

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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 07, 2017, 10:07:26 am
I'm sure somebody must make a reticulation plugin for LightRoom or PhotoShop.
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 07, 2017, 11:29:21 am
Shooting a friend at his concert the other night. After looking at the first picture, I realized who he reminds me of (in that picture): younger Ansel Adams :)
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Post by: Rob C on October 07, 2017, 11:32:49 am
Shooting a friend at his concert the other night. After looking at the first picture, I realized who he reminds me of (in that picture): younger Ansel Adams :)

In the Adams picture Adams is displaying his prescience and sense of humour: note the large Red Dot on his camera.

;-)

Rob
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 07, 2017, 09:26:49 pm
Been to a country fair in Indiana, under a stormy sky:

Edit: added the second photo for context
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Post by: BobDavid on October 07, 2017, 10:32:23 pm
Been to a country fair in Indiana, under a stormy sky:

Edit: added a second photo for context

The second photo grabs my interest more than the first. It's fun to see the attendees, and the wide view offers more to see and take in. Of course the color has your signature look.
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on October 08, 2017, 03:36:31 am
I'm sure somebody must make a reticulation plugin for LightRoom or PhotoShop.

Adobe!

In PS, Filter gallery / Sketch / Reticulation. Never used it myself.

Jeremy
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Post by: farbschlurf on October 08, 2017, 03:59:25 am
Been to a country fair in Indiana, under a stormy sky:

Edit: added a second photo for context

The first without the poles would be an abstract, but a good "science-fiction" photo.
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Post by: Rob C on October 08, 2017, 09:19:07 am
If one looks at the first one through half-closed eyes - or without glasses if one needs them - discounts the poles, then it could remind one of the Canary Islands.

Rob
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Post by: farbschlurf on October 09, 2017, 03:07:17 am
Not a nice subject, but somehow I got the frame filled.
:-)

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Post by: Telecaster on October 09, 2017, 02:42:31 pm
From a couple weeks ago. I love the textures of pine bark.

-Dave-
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Post by: JNB_Rare on October 09, 2017, 08:33:41 pm
Came across this in my brother-in-law's back yard this afternoon. Just had to take it home. It's 11"/28cm across.
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Post by: BobDavid on October 10, 2017, 02:56:12 am
Came across this in my brother-in-law's back yard this afternoon. Just had to take it home. It's 11"/28cm across.

very nice
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Post by: BobDavid on October 10, 2017, 03:00:25 am
Ethereal Horizon
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Post by: Telecaster on October 10, 2017, 03:18:45 pm
Came across this in my brother-in-law's back yard this afternoon. Just had to take it home. It's 11"/28cm across.

I like it! (The photo and the thing itself.) Early last spring I found most of an opposum skeleton in my yard while cleaning up. Shoulda kept it and let it dry out.

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on October 10, 2017, 03:19:57 pm
Ethereal Horizon

Alternate seascape.  :D

-Dave-
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Post by: farbschlurf on October 12, 2017, 01:19:17 pm
Shadow
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 13, 2017, 06:11:18 am
This taken, innocently, from the courtyard of the Lyon bar association...
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Post by: Rob C on October 13, 2017, 07:04:53 am
Ooooh! Better be extra careful there - what with law and asses.

:-)

Rob
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Post by: Kevin Gallagher on October 14, 2017, 10:44:06 am
.


 Just saw this one today, very nicely done Bill!!

 Kevin in CT
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Post by: tom b on October 15, 2017, 10:21:11 pm
Crazy cows. I found this image (hey I took the original image) on my computer desktop. Don't trust Illustrators!

Cheers
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 17, 2017, 09:20:52 am
Claire
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 18, 2017, 05:10:54 am
At the book market on the Saône
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Post by: armand on October 20, 2017, 09:41:09 pm
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Post by: BobDavid on October 22, 2017, 04:21:05 am
house interrupts view
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Post by: Rob C on October 22, 2017, 08:04:33 am
house interrupts view

A sick, crazy friend with a Zippo...

Rob
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 22, 2017, 09:21:43 am
house interrupts view
That's just what Content-aware Fill is for.

Or is that how the house got there???   ;D
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 22, 2017, 09:58:53 am
Good morning, sunshine ;)
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Post by: Rob C on October 22, 2017, 11:04:55 am
I really do admire that shot, Slobodan.

Rob
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 22, 2017, 12:07:20 pm
I really do admire that shot, Slobodan.

Rob
+1.
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 22, 2017, 12:40:23 pm
I really do admire that shot, Slobodan...

When you open your eyes on Sunday morning and the brightest part in your view is a bottle of bourbon... a cheap one, I might add ;)
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 22, 2017, 12:46:34 pm
When you open your eyes on Sunday morning and the brightest part in your view is a bottle of bourbon... a cheap one, I might add ;)
It's to your credit that you reached for your camera before emptying the bottle.   :D
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on October 22, 2017, 12:53:34 pm
When you open your eyes on Sunday morning and the brightest part in your view is a bottle of bourbon... a cheap one, I might add ;)
It's to your credit that you reached for your camera before emptying the bottle.   :D

It can only have been because it was cheap! Nice one, Slobodan.

Jeremy
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Post by: Telecaster on October 22, 2017, 05:44:45 pm
Just a snap but taken this lovely afternoon while walking and enjoying the last summer-ish warmth we’re likely to get ‘til next year. Used my GX8 in prep for an upcoming holiday.  :)

-Dave-
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Post by: KLaban on October 22, 2017, 06:44:32 pm
The Third Dimension.

Leica M240, 90mm Summarit.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Rob1.jpg)
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 23, 2017, 11:21:20 am
Summer appeared to finally end on Sunday, with an attack of cold rain that sent the terrace coffee drinkers into imposed conviviality under the big umbrella, then a brief burst of hail that had them inside...
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Post by: muntanela on October 23, 2017, 12:42:42 pm
Populus tremula along the mountain road to Martinasc (near the road to Mortirolo Pass, Valtellina).
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Post by: Chairman Bill on October 23, 2017, 12:43:17 pm
An unexpected visitor popped by for a spot of lunch
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on October 23, 2017, 01:44:57 pm
The Third Dimension.

She was lucky: they didn't bury her until she was dead. He was just having a nap.  ;)

Jeremy
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 23, 2017, 02:02:17 pm
She was lucky: they didn't bury her until she was dead. He was just having a nap.  ;)

Jeremy
;D
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Post by: Telecaster on October 23, 2017, 05:03:06 pm
I’m annoyed that I can’t quite make out Mrs. Coote’s name. Ve???n, I think.

-Dave-
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Post by: KLaban on October 24, 2017, 05:06:24 am
I’m annoyed that I can’t quite make out Mrs. Coote’s name. Ve???n, I think.

-Dave-

Passage of time I'm afraid. But yes, it is frustrating, even at 100% with contrast and clarity whacked up it's still indecipherable.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 24, 2017, 10:15:51 am
Maybe it's "Verizon???"   ;)
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Post by: Telecaster on October 24, 2017, 04:50:45 pm
Maybe it's "Verizon???"   ;)

Can you hear me now?

-Dave-
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Post by: degrub on October 24, 2017, 08:49:56 pm
and the pin drops....
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Post by: KLaban on October 25, 2017, 05:14:28 am
and the pin drops....

Couldn't hear it...
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 25, 2017, 05:57:40 am
Some people doing unscripted people things outside Le Musée Gardagne in Lyon.
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Post by: KLaban on October 25, 2017, 06:23:57 am
Maybe it's "Verizon???"   ;)

Nah, it's Vibhooshita.

;-)
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 25, 2017, 10:39:17 am
Some people doing unscripted people things outside Le Musée Gardagne in Lyon.
I love it!
You can't make these things up.
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Post by: 32BT on October 25, 2017, 11:10:05 am
I love it!
You can't make these things up.

+1
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Post by: Rob C on October 26, 2017, 10:02:36 am
Couldn't hear it...

Ring-a-ding-ding?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0U6hxa6C58

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 30, 2017, 07:09:08 am
This is Bérenice... when she's not performing as a hospital clown, she keeps in shape with a bit of street-juggling.
(Fascinating, she's the 3rd generation of a family of performers, jugglers, clowns and musicians... the 4th generation is sitting on the steps behind, but not visible in this shot)
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Post by: Rob C on October 30, 2017, 08:44:17 am
This is Bérenice... when she's not performing as a hospital clown, she keeps in shape with a bit of street-juggling.
(Fascinating, she's the 3rd generation of a family of performers, jugglers, clowns and musicians... the 4th generation is sitting on the steps behind, but not visible in this shot)

How the hell do you manage to enjoy such an eclectic group of mates?

Gimme the secret.

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 30, 2017, 09:13:16 am
Put my card in her hat along with some coins... with a link to my 500px site. Sometimes I get a good response :)
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Post by: Rob C on October 30, 2017, 04:39:27 pm
Put my card in her hat along with some coins... with a link to my 500px site. Sometimes I get a good response :)

Brilliant!

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on October 31, 2017, 06:43:52 am
Performers usually want photos of themselves, so if you can make them look good... and she saw that I had a bunch of performance shots :)

BTW, jugglers and acrobats are a challenge to shoot at this time of year. I took a few on Saturday at 800iso, f/4 and 125. They were soft: while the image stabilisation can easily cope with me shaking the camera at 1/125, it can't deal with a rapidly moving subject. Jugglers seem to move their head a lot, and quickly. Musicians are much easier in low light. Sunday she called and invited me back to take some more, and 1600iso and f/2.8 seemed to do the trick at around 5pm.

It appears that the eye can more easily tolerate a bit of fuzziness amongst the grain, then a fluffy head in an otherwise sharp picture.

Here's a B&W version which I rather like:
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 31, 2017, 08:05:35 am
Here's a B&W version which I rather like:
For very good reason. Great catch!
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Post by: Bruce Cox on October 31, 2017, 11:22:41 am
pier
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Post by: farbschlurf on October 31, 2017, 11:31:31 am
Visited "my tree" again ... somehow the color got a bit heavy ... well ...

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Post by: Telecaster on October 31, 2017, 12:58:48 pm
Great catch!

Always with the puns…

 :D

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on October 31, 2017, 01:03:50 pm
Here’s two of my own, the second taken ~7 minutes after the first and with the lens pointed in the same general direction.

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on October 31, 2017, 01:40:38 pm
A view from the room.

-Dave-
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Post by: farbschlurf on October 31, 2017, 03:22:30 pm
nice view...
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Post by: churly on October 31, 2017, 06:51:52 pm
My neighbor backing the car out of the driveway.
The art of the mundane?
Chuck
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Post by: armand on October 31, 2017, 10:01:46 pm
My neighbor backing the car out of the driveway.
The art of the mundane?
Chuck

Could have been anything  :)
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Post by: armand on October 31, 2017, 10:02:11 pm
intermezzo
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Post by: John R on October 31, 2017, 10:49:34 pm
Working on removing the wire. But it will do for now.

JR

(https://photos.smugmug.com/On-the-Road/i-jhgz4c4/0/e63fa07a/M/Oct%2031-%202017%20Airport%20Road_1362%20bw-copy1000-M.jpg)
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 01, 2017, 12:11:28 am
My neighbor backing the car out of the driveway.
The art of the mundane?
Chuck
Nce abstract.
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 01, 2017, 06:25:52 am
For very good reason. Great catch!

Better catch.
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Post by: Rob C on November 01, 2017, 07:09:04 am
My neighbor backing the car out of the driveway.
The art of the mundane?
Chuck


Yes, catching something better than the obvious out of the mundane is an art in itself.

Well done!

Rob
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 01, 2017, 11:14:21 am
Better catch.
Did you get the next shot in the sequence? The one where she tosses another pin in the air with her left leg (while the right leg is still elevated?)   ;)
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Post by: Rob C on November 01, 2017, 12:55:04 pm
Did you get the next shot in the sequence? The one where she tosses another pin in the air with her left leg (while the right leg is still elevated?)   ;)


They do everything bigger and better in la belle France - or am I thinking of Texas?

Personally, I'd keep well clear of a lady with big clubs.

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 01, 2017, 02:10:54 pm
Did you get the next shot in the sequence? The one where she tosses another pin in the air with her left leg (while the right leg is still elevated?)   ;)

Yeah, but it was out of focus. Did get a couple of others...

Also looked up her CV online... she was one of the junglers during the opening ceremony of the Albertville Winter Games... which was the first of the fully choreographed opening ceremonies, I remember being blown away watching it on TV. That was 1992, so she has been throwing and catching for some time.
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Post by: John R on November 01, 2017, 03:01:57 pm
Nce abstract.
Very nice abstract. Now line up all the neighbors, one at a time, into and out of that driveway.

JR
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Post by: Rob C on November 01, 2017, 04:21:36 pm
Graham, Bérenice has a great set of synapses!

Rob
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 01, 2017, 04:39:11 pm
Graham,
You have caught her just beautifully.

Eric
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 01, 2017, 05:41:16 pm
Change of pace, across to the verandah of the Opéra, favourite place for break-dancers to do their thing. Normally their thing doesn't interest me much, but there was this young boy having a go at the end...
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Post by: Telecaster on November 02, 2017, 03:43:14 am
Susan, in trail-walking mode.

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on November 02, 2017, 07:12:47 am
Susan, in trail-walking mode.

-Dave-

W. Eugene Smith with wider view?

I enjoy shallow dof and think it pretty much always (subject dependent, of course) adds quite a lot of drama to the photographs. It's one of the reasons that I love Feurer's work so much: he always gets right down to the important bits and eliminates the stuff that detracts from that.

Makes me salivate lust after Nikon's 200mm. Maybe if the apartment sells there will be realistic temptation anew.

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 02, 2017, 08:45:48 am
W. Eugene Smith with wider view?

Would he have focused on the fence, or the walker?

I'm thinking Saul again, for hiding the real subject through focus. Here's my contribution to the theme from yesterday:
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Post by: Rob C on November 02, 2017, 09:14:45 am
As she has her ears on, she probably didn't hear you coming.

Another thread here made me think again of the impossible 2/200mm Nikkor.

Something that surprised me - to an extent - about Saul was his embracing of digital. On the other hand, I can understand that film got rather awkward - and expensive - if he was still thinking, at the time, about paying his light bills. I've seen images of him with a Panasonic G1, but as with William Klein and a Sony or Fuji - I forget which - I wonder if it's all to do with advertising. How cynical the industry makes one become. Even, perhaps, without cause. Perhaps Saul's rebirth came too late, but if not, then were I Leica, he'd have had a brand new camera in his hands, with all the glass he wanted.

During lunch today I went onto Goggle's Patrick Lichfield Imagenes list, and I remember he really did get a bum deal from some of the UK press corps. He did good fashion and calendar shoots. Maybe it's in the British psyche to try to knock those of better birth conditions than the norm. Yes, access is always a huge plus, but one shouldn't forget that the goods still need delivering; nothing gets you a second bite at any cherry if you drop a client into the deeper smellies.

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 02, 2017, 09:41:02 am
As she has her ears on, she probably didn't hear you coming.

In fact I focused on the pumpkin, expecting to have some vague café-business happening through the window. The exposure was off, I lowered the camera, twiddled some knobs and when I brought it back to my eye there was this women in the window. Click. I think she looked only at the moment I fired the shutter.
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Post by: 32BT on November 02, 2017, 10:00:49 am
Here's my contribution to the theme from yesterday:

When i take a snap like that, they usually raise the other finger...
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 02, 2017, 12:40:01 pm
When i take a snap like that, they usually raise the other finger...

I did look at the image more than once to check  :D
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Post by: Telecaster on November 03, 2017, 01:55:54 am
Dum de dum de dum…
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Post by: Telecaster on November 03, 2017, 01:57:02 am
Hi there! Got any food?
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Post by: Telecaster on November 03, 2017, 02:02:43 am
Wonder if there’s food up in this red thing…
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Post by: Telecaster on November 03, 2017, 02:04:11 am
What’s making that clicking noise? Must investigate…
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Post by: Telecaster on November 03, 2017, 02:05:38 am
Think I’ll lick the shiny part…
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Post by: farbschlurf on November 03, 2017, 03:17:24 am
Nice green guy. Hope you got something for him (her)?

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Post by: farbschlurf on November 03, 2017, 03:20:27 am
One of the few houses around which is looking still like it does.

 
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 03, 2017, 05:36:54 am
Dum de dum de dum…

Ooh, a colour management opportunity!  8)
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 03, 2017, 05:39:45 am
So further to the selective (de-)focus idea... I rather regret not having focused on the shoes, or at least having a version of each to compare. On the other hand, it was fun being able to read the text in the full res image :)
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 03, 2017, 08:13:31 am
Dum de dum de dum…
Isn't that the actor from those TV commercials?
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Post by: Rob C on November 03, 2017, 08:47:13 am
So further to the selective (de-)focus idea... I rather regret not having focused on the shoes, or at least having a version of each to compare. On the other hand, it was fun being able to read the text in the full res image :)


Cost many a careless politico his reputation, carrying documents exposed to the world's press as he walks importantly from No 10...
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Post by: Telecaster on November 03, 2017, 02:57:34 pm
Nice green guy. Hope you got something for him (her)?

Yep, I broke off some crumbs from the tasty blueberry scone I was eating.  :)  (Daylight Mind (https://www.daylightmind.com) coffee shop. If y’all ever visit Kona on Big Island do check it out. They’ve always got tasty fresh pastries and breads, plus 4–5 varieties of real deal Kona coffee available. They also run a fine restaurant.)

There’s definitely a resemblance to the Geico gecko. American accent, though…  ;D

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on November 04, 2017, 01:49:35 am
Tried this last night but the pleasant breeze died off while I was setting up. Better tonight.

-Dave-
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 04, 2017, 06:31:02 am
A group of women seated outside a pub in Vieux Lyon sketching. I saw her head turn towards me in the viewfinder and thought I was busted, but she was checking out the competition...
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Post by: Rob C on November 04, 2017, 07:51:45 am
Dammit, even your artists look cute!

Grrrrr...!

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 04, 2017, 05:06:29 pm
For Mr Eggleton.
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Post by: Rob C on November 04, 2017, 05:57:51 pm
For Mr Eggleton.

Only Leica and "color"...

;-)

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on November 05, 2017, 03:33:23 pm
Funny thing: I have just been looking at the previous Without Prejudice (2) threads; we all seemed to be a bit more friendly in those days back in 2013.

Life, I guess.

Rob
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Post by: Telecaster on November 06, 2017, 12:59:32 am
Early morning and early evening, the first via Panasonic GX8 and the second via iPhone pano.

-Dave-
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 06, 2017, 04:40:34 am
Bit of film noir...
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Post by: John R on November 06, 2017, 06:43:50 am
Cliche, I know. But sometimes we have to enter "altered reality" competition This is one such creation.

JR

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Pictorials/i-dFZGhD2/1/07de1bc7/M/Oct%2023-11%20HP-2%20295%20smug%20creativecopy-M.jpg)
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Post by: JNB_Rare on November 07, 2017, 08:41:34 am
"If you go out in the woods today, you're sure of a big surprise." My surprise was finding a dozen or so car wrecks from the late 1950's and early 1960's that have been there at least 30 years, judging from the trees that have grown up around them. And I do mean WRECKS, as these were all very twisted and mangled. Was happily clicking away when I heard a distant gun shot. Cripes! It's hunting season and me all dressed in earth tones. I beat a hasty retreat back out to the well-marked walking path.
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Post by: John R on November 08, 2017, 02:18:44 am
Just playing around.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscape-Impressions/i-fQHJSrH/0/07183e68/L/Arrowhead%20Park%20095%20panocopy-1200-L.jpg)
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Post by: Rob C on November 08, 2017, 07:09:32 am
Bit of film noir...

Just found this, for some reason - instantly reminded me of Newton's shot, in Paris, with the two women: the one with full birthday suit and the other in gentleman's evening suit... Berlin must have been a strange place - thank goodness.

;-)

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on November 08, 2017, 07:10:57 am
Just playing around.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscape-Impressions/i-fQHJSrH/0/07183e68/L/Arrowhead%20Park%20095%20panocopy-1200-L.jpg)

This one really suits the subject very well indeed. Congrats!

Rob
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 08, 2017, 09:59:21 am
Just playing around.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscape-Impressions/i-fQHJSrH/0/07183e68/L/Arrowhead%20Park%20095%20panocopy-1200-L.jpg)
Lovely!

But one quibble: For perfection you should include the JMR logo reversed in the lower left corner.   ;D
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Post by: John R on November 08, 2017, 10:37:40 pm
Lovely!

But one quibble: For perfection you should include the JMR logo reversed in the lower left corner.   ;D
Now, why didn't I think of that. It's on my list, be a little less perfect  ;)
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Post by: Riaan van Wyk on November 09, 2017, 04:33:17 am
Snap JMR :)

Your work here over the years have inspired me for some time now to try do the same.
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Post by: Riaan van Wyk on November 09, 2017, 04:55:20 am
Rainy days makes one stay indoors and try other things.
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 09, 2017, 05:51:50 am
Excellent idea. Rain has many virtues...
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 09, 2017, 08:38:11 am
Excellent idea. Rain has many virtues...
+1.
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Post by: John R on November 09, 2017, 09:09:04 am
Snap JMR :)

Your work here over the years have inspired me for some time now to try do the same.
Very nice Riann. If you find the images too light or unsaturated, try the 'multiply' feature in PS or Elements, and then bring opacity slider down until the saturation appears more realistic.

I like your sofa image too. Right away it reminded me of a nude body lying on its side. Good seeing, and it's all about seeing.

JR
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Post by: armand on November 09, 2017, 11:29:05 am
With not many leaves left in the trees this is the next step
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Post by: Telecaster on November 09, 2017, 01:31:06 pm
With not many leaves left in the trees this is the next step

I like these! You could triptych ‘em.

-Dave-
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Post by: John R on November 09, 2017, 06:54:42 pm
I like these! You could triptych ‘em.

-Dave-
I agree. But too much to ask for more green like the last two images ;)

JR
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Post by: Telecaster on November 09, 2017, 07:52:58 pm
A fallen *plumeria bloom, spotted during this afternoon’s neighborhood stroll.

-Dave-

*aka melia
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 10, 2017, 07:53:14 am
Some hats
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Post by: Rob C on November 10, 2017, 08:50:07 am
Some hats

A left hook fixes many problems.

Nice one.

Rob
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Post by: armand on November 10, 2017, 04:06:28 pm
Lake Huron
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Post by: Telecaster on November 10, 2017, 08:49:54 pm
The Ambassador bridge, no? Owned by the appropriately named (not to mention colossally greedy) Mr. Moroun.

-Dave-
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Post by: armand on November 10, 2017, 10:25:55 pm
The Ambassador bridge, no? Owned by the appropriately named (not to mention colossally greedy) Mr. Moroun.

-Dave-

Nope, the other end of Huron. Mackinac Bridge.
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Post by: Telecaster on November 11, 2017, 01:08:49 am
Nope, the other end of Huron. Mackinac Bridge.

Hah! I forgot Huron went all the way up the mitten. Haven’t been on Mackinac Bridge in over 30 years.

Attached pic: Mackinac Bridge c. summer 1958. Taken by my mom.

-Dave-

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Post by: Rob C on November 11, 2017, 04:12:09 am
Hah! I forgot Huron went all the way up the mitten. Haven’t been on Mackinac Bridge in over 30 years.

Attached pic: Mackinac Bridge c. summer 1958. Taken by my mom.

-Dave-

Not devoid of an eye, Mom! Knows how to use red. too. But then, women always had a better sense of colour than us.

Rob
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Post by: Riaan van Wyk on November 11, 2017, 04:29:16 am
Very nice Riann. If you find the images too light or unsaturated, try the 'multiply' feature in PS or Elements, and then bring opacity slider down until the saturation appears more realistic.

I like your sofa image too. Right away it reminded me of a nude body lying on its side. Good seeing, and it's all about seeing.

JR

Thanks John, I have forgotten about the multiply feature, will try it again. The sofa, by the way, is not a sofa :)
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Post by: Rob C on November 11, 2017, 06:23:09 am
Thanks John, I have forgotten about the multiply feature, will try it again. The sofa, by the way, is not a sofa :)

Riaan, John had a difficult childhood. (Joke!!!)

Rob
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Post by: armand on November 11, 2017, 08:22:07 am
Hah! I forgot Huron went all the way up the mitten. Haven’t been on Mackinac Bridge in over 30 years.

Attached pic: Mackinac Bridge c. summer 1958. Taken by my mom.

-Dave-

Well, it looks the same to this day. Clouds and all.
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Post by: armand on November 11, 2017, 08:23:18 am
Thanks John, I have forgotten about the multiply feature, will try it again. The sofa, by the way, is not a sofa :)

Thank you for clarifying, I thought I have a perverted mind.
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Post by: Rob C on November 11, 2017, 09:17:31 am
Thank you for clarifying, I thought I have a perverted mind.

For the sake of the continuity of the species we are usually well-programmed to understand these serious matters. Let's face it, even zebras know what's what, and that could be difficult.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: churly on November 11, 2017, 09:44:07 am
Windows on a small piece of the world.

Definitely lacks on the technical side (my crappy phone camera) but couldn't pass this by.
Chuck
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on November 11, 2017, 03:01:01 pm
Not my best day. After I managed to get a few hours off from work (a deadline is near) I realised theres a great sky. Hurrying to pack my camera bag. So save time didn't pick up the large one, but jammed everything in a smaller bag. Stepped out of the door, and bang, the overloaded bag slipped from my shoulder. And dammit, an old film-camera, a XD-7, did hit the ground too hard, major bump, ISO-Dial damaged, also there seem to be something broken with the film-advance. Yes I know. Never a good idea to hurry, never pays ... cannot change it afterwards ...
When I reached the place I wanted to go, there was nice light and little rain, but it was very, very windy. No use for a tripod. Than the sun broke through, wonderful scene, but it came so unpredicted fast I was not in place. For a good shot I basically would have needed to jump right in the lake ... I already stood ankle deep in the mud. so here's the best I got. Not my best day ...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4532/38309008482_34f32b2096_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21neFyf)Late Fall Day (https://flic.kr/p/21neFyf) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr

Few others from the short walk an flickr, but it's rather playing around.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 11, 2017, 04:19:58 pm
Nice picture, Stefan. I'm sorry about the camera accident.

One of my last film cameras was a Pentax 67 II, which I had with me on a photo outing. I was using an unfamiliar quick-release on the tripod, and when I thought I had attached it, it just toppled off the tripod onto a paved parking lot, landing on the pentaprism, which was badly damaged.

The service outfit determined that it was unfixable, but at least it was a separate, replaceable item. Now I'm slower and more careful when using a tripod.

-Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 11, 2017, 04:41:24 pm
Nice picture, Stefan. I'm sorry about the camera accident.

One of my last film cameras was a Pentax 67 II, which I had with me on a photo outing. I was using an unfamiliar quick-release on the tripod, and when I thought I had attached it, it just toppled off the tripod onto a paved parking lot, landing on the pentaprism, which was badly damaged.

The service outfit determined that it was unfixable, but at least it was a separate, replaceable item. Now I'm slower and more careful when using a tripod.

-Eric

That was also my last 120 format camera. It was beautifully made, but bounced like a lunatic flea, both at the shutter as at the mirror. It was never used hand-held, and always MU but to no avail: that massive focal plane shutter was a staunch seeker after suicide. As with all crazies, it had to go.

I can't even claim innocence: Sante D'Orazio used one too, and some pics of Helena Christensen were so blurred... what a waste! Suspension of belief, I suppose, coupled with the certainty that used with the two shuttered lenses, in a strobe studio, it wouldn't have been a problem. But, I'd long abandoned studios. Pentax, I'm sure, rests its case right there.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 11, 2017, 05:52:44 pm
Yes, Rob The seismic activity of its shutter was not its best feature. It was while I still owned the Pentax that I got my first digital camera, the Canon 10D. I did tripod tests comparing the amount of detail from the Pentax versus the Canon, and the Canon with its much smaller than 35mm "full-frame" sensor beat the 6x7cm quite substantially, even with mirror locked up on the Pentax.

My favorite hand-held MF film camera was the Mamiya 6 (6x6 cm) rangefinder. Lightweight, easy to hand-hold, really quite a fun camera.

-Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 11, 2017, 08:23:00 pm
My favorite hand-held MF film camera was the Mamiya 6 (6x6 cm) rangefinder. Lightweight, easy to hand-hold, really quite a fun camera.

Yup, the 6 was a good ‘un. I could’ve bought my friend Bruce’s whole outfit when he put it up for sale (after getting a 10D!) but I’d just sold my Pentax 645 (after getting a 10D!) and had no interest in another medium format camera. Now neither of us has a 10D while both of us kinda regret not having a Mamiya.  ;D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 11, 2017, 08:28:41 pm
Daylight Mind (https://www.daylightmind.com) makes a pretty (and pretty darn good) cuppa flat white.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on November 11, 2017, 09:36:13 pm
Dave on this cool November morning I really could have used that drink, especially after hearing,"there is nothing to photograph." Kind of abstract.

JMR

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Pictorials/i-zVRDqmx/0/fb1e1ad0/M/Nov%2018-12%20Toronto-%20Downtown%20142%20copy1000-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on November 12, 2017, 04:39:10 am
Daylight Mind (https://www.daylightmind.com) makes a pretty (and pretty darn good) cuppa flat white.
Nice you included the ocean view.
*envy*
;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 12, 2017, 05:56:09 am
Yes, Rob The seismic activity of its shutter was not its best feature. It was while I still owned the Pentax that I got my first digital camera, the Canon 10D. I did tripod tests comparing the amount of detail from the Pentax versus the Canon, and the Canon with its much smaller than 35mm "full-frame" sensor beat the 6x7cm quite substantially, even with mirror locked up on the Pentax.

My favorite hand-held MF film camera was the Mamiya 6 (6x6 cm) rangefinder. Lightweight, easy to hand-hold, really quite a fun camera.

-Eric

I did once hold a Mamiya 67 rangefinder in a dealership. I think I still have the brochure somewhere! No, of the camera: there was never a brochure made of me holding it.

The killer, I found, was the viewfinder: tiny, without the slightest sense of what the picture could look like.

A good choice for those with the disposable moolah could have been the three Rollei TLRs: the 55mm, 80mm and 135mm versions. No bounce problems and perhaps just a tad of frustration at the shortness of the longer lens for heads. (I think I have the focal length of the wide one right!)

I briefly owned a Mamiya TLR with the 180mm optic, a camera I had bought whilst I had my cheapo Rollei T with 75mm Tessar. When the 500C came to me I sold the Rollei but held on to the Mamiya until I could afford the 150mm for the 'blad. I soon discovered that the Mamiya lens was better for my uses than the 150mm Sonnar. Unfortunately, there was no 180mm 'blad option available in those days, but the mechanics of using a 180mm close up on that Mamiya were dreadful... It always felt to me like a very crude, primitive camera system - which it was, which is why I could afford that bit of it!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Tony Ovens on November 12, 2017, 11:41:56 am
I too had a Pentax 67 and found all the same issues. Partly resolved for some uses with the 90mm leaf shutter lens. 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 12, 2017, 01:06:38 pm
Dave on this cool November morning I really could have used that drink, especially after hearing,"there is nothing to photograph." Kind of abstract.

JMR

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Pictorials/i-zVRDqmx/0/fb1e1ad0/M/Nov%2018-12%20Toronto-%20Downtown%20142%20copy1000-M.jpg)

Clearly there was something! I love photos with pleasing geometry and minimal detail.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 12, 2017, 03:26:44 pm
I too had a Pentax 67 and found all the same issues. Partly resolved for some uses with the 90mm leaf shutter lens.

Both Mario Testino and Peter Lindbergh used Pentax 67 for some time. I think the 90mm and 160mm (?) shuttered lenses were the way to go for fashion, and yes, flash too.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 12, 2017, 08:01:04 pm
Diane Arbus briefly used a borrowed Pentax 67 (and evidently really liked it). As did Michael just before the Canon D30 came out!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on November 13, 2017, 01:15:42 am
In the mid 1970s, when I was in high school, my grandfather gave me his Rollei TLR with the Zeiss 80mm Planar f3.5. Compared to my Minolta SRT-100 (a fine 35mm camera), the Rollei was in an entirely different class. I loved looking into the ground glass and seeing the a mirror image of the world. The lens was amazing. I learned a lot about taking pictures with that camera.

I sold it about five years ago to a young adult for around $400. The camers was in great condition both mechanically and cosmetically. It was a thrill to pass it along to a young enthusiast.

I could've gotten more for it. Being that I hadn't run a roll of film through it since Y2K, I figured it was time to let it go to someone who'd enjoy using it.
 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 13, 2017, 04:30:38 am
What it may come down to, for those of us who enjoyed the 120 formats, is that there was something rather good about seeing a big image in the viewfinder.

The perfect solution, of course, would have been the ability simply to exchange a film back for a digi one of the same size.

Yes, I get the cost and difficulty factors, but that doesn't alter the concept itself.

Maybe future small cameras will incorporate enlarged LV within the viewfinder instead of on a rear screen; then, we would perhaps have the benefit of a larger, magnified screen on which to compose... Sure, a different shape for cameras, but they have been changing shape since the first one. I think of something built like a 500 'blad, similar size of screen, but the actual sensor any size (probably smaller) you desire it to be. As long as the viewfinder shows you a large image you should be okay, regardless of sensor shape. It should also let you rotate the image (as in PS) if not actually the sensor itself. Christmas if just around the corner...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 13, 2017, 06:27:34 am
Given the hinged rear screen on many DSLR's, you could pretty much do this now, I think??

Mine doesn't pivot, so I can't verify the practicality... but I have often thought it would be nice feature to enable the camera to be used more discretely at waist-level.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 13, 2017, 04:42:29 pm
Anyway, in the dark no one can see you framing...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 13, 2017, 04:51:13 pm
Anyway, in the dark no one can see you framing...

Cracker!

I must try to get out more when the shadows fall!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 13, 2017, 05:02:39 pm
Anyway, this is one of the silent sentinels who watch me try to find a parking slot in the winter mud.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3189_3_orig.jpg)

Rob

P.S. Do you think I'd gain anything by "investing" in a new Phase mega-camera?
No! You do just fine with the equipment you have now.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 14, 2017, 09:00:02 am
Here's Norman Rockwell at night, if such a thing can be imagined...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 14, 2017, 09:32:38 am
Well, so far it can fly over the brolly.... next: the Moon!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 14, 2017, 11:45:24 am
Ahhh! :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on November 14, 2017, 11:54:50 am
Ahhh! :)

+1

Timed to perfection...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 14, 2017, 12:48:28 pm
Ahhh! :)

Now that’s a smooch!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on November 14, 2017, 01:41:52 pm
Usually one sees similar faces rather from men. Somehow funny it's a woman here, and even more sensual indeed.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 14, 2017, 10:05:15 pm
A deep crop into the full photo, but it’s what I had in mind.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 15, 2017, 11:08:56 am
I love the image, Rob. Especially with the title and the caption.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 15, 2017, 03:00:11 pm
I love the image, Rob. Especially with the title and the caption.

Eric

Thank you, Eric.

I seem to be in a mental place where I flip from enthusiasm to emptiness by the day; I do wish I could resolve this property problem once and for all and get away to a brand new start in life, or at least to the point of feeling that I am back in the driving seat and that what happens depends, once more, on my own actions or lack of them! This feeling of suspended animation really sucks! Of course I won't be any the younger, but that's no reason to waste precious time and just rot!

I suppose I felt the same way twice before in life: before I found a path into photography; before I managed to get us to the Mediterranean life. Ironic that the next phase is the reversing of the latter all these many years later. Well, had Ann survived, none of this would have seemed that important, or might have found alternative solutions had the same, new, external political conditions prevailed. She was so wise and determined - where and when it mattered.

And I find myself having to watch that bloody Boris strut the stage, ruining more and more people's lives with his little Englander fantasies and absolute disregard for anything but personal power and publicity. A pox on all of those cursed people.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 15, 2017, 03:41:26 pm
Another rainy night shot. Maybe we can imagine Boris out there wandering in the rain, after his schemes collapse about him... well, that's a dream too, although a bit vengeful.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: degrub on November 15, 2017, 07:12:22 pm
perhaps Boris could go digging for clams at low tide and then ......
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 16, 2017, 04:09:01 am
Another rainy night shot. Maybe we can imagine Boris out there wandering in the rain, after his schemes collapse about him... well, that's a dream too, although a bit vengeful.

Funny thing: this image reminds me of a similar but totally different one from La Doce Vita, just prior to the wading in the Trevi moment... you know, where La Ekberg wonders around with a kitten on her head as Marcello goes hunting for milk - poor, besotted sod!

It appears that in reality - ever a dangerous consideration, for isn't playing a rôle in a film also very, very real? - he was actually enamoured of Claudia Cardinale, which is totally understandable. She was something very else in ... They don't make 'em like they used to!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 16, 2017, 05:33:05 am
I love the image, Rob. Especially with the title and the caption.

+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on November 16, 2017, 11:16:52 am
This made me smirk. I wear the real things, wonderfully decayed naturally, and horizontally aspirated. And bought from the same Levi dealership many years ago. One day, I may buy the jacket.

Rob

They're doing this fake distressing to jackets, too.  >:(

I found a great, REAL vintage jean jacket at a local used clothing store. They were asking $15. Unfortunately, I'd forgotten about the general cut of those jackets. My shoulders are the same size as they used to be, but not my waist.  :-[  It sort of fit, but I looked like an old person trying to wear a young person's clothes. I still wear my naturally distressed jeans, though.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 16, 2017, 02:33:47 pm
They're doing this fake distressing to jackets, too.  >:(

I found a great, REAL vintage jean jacket at a local used clothing store. They were asking $15. Unfortunately, I'd forgotten about the general cut of those jackets. My shoulders are the same size as they used to be, but not my waist.  :-[  It sort of fit, but I looked like an old person trying to wear a young person's clothes. I still wear my naturally distressed jeans, though.

The problem or, should I say reason that I never bought the jackets is that they are too short: I really like them a bit longer to provide a better balance when worn over a sweater. It's one thing for women to suffer, willingly, a short jacket in winter so that they can show the tail of a shirt worn outside the jeans (thus casually playing peek-a-boo with the butt, should they choose), but for me, keeping the chill at bay is key! In summer, a jacket is too hot, so it can only find use in the cold.

But truth to tell, as with leather jackets (unless they come lined), denim is not a great insulator.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 16, 2017, 04:47:18 pm
t's one thing for women to suffer, willingly, a short jacket in winter so that they can show the tail of a shirt worn outside the jeans (thus casually playing peek-a-boo with the butt, should they choose), but for me, keeping the chill at bay is key! In summer, a jacket is too hot, so it can only find use in the cold.

French men seem almost as enslaved by fashion as women: watched a young guy getting along the street a couple of days back with several artfully gaping holes in the legs of his jeans. It was 4° with quite a dose of windchill...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 17, 2017, 04:56:07 am
French men seem almost as enslaved by fashion as women: watched a young guy getting along the street a couple of days back with several artfully gaping holes in the legs of his jeans. It was 4° with quite a dose of windchill...

That's why I shall never acquire the savoir faire of the French: my jeans ventilators are the real, home-grown deal that took years of careful wearing to develop. Bummer.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 17, 2017, 06:02:55 am
If you grow up in a household where one is expected to help maintain cars, and you start carrying old-style car batteries about before you have the strength to hold them away from your body... the process is quite dramatically faster :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 17, 2017, 09:10:09 am
If you grow up in a household where one is expected to help maintain cars, and you start carrying old-style car batteries about before you have the strength to hold them away from your body... the process is quite dramatically faster :)

That's perilously close to alternative cosmetic surgery... one might burn away one's own weight-induced hernia - at least.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on November 18, 2017, 01:51:15 pm
Only got my attention when going through the set a second time.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4583/37617982635_a4239f5a61_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZjaZDv)Forest (https://flic.kr/p/ZjaZDv) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 18, 2017, 03:42:10 pm
Only got my attention when going through the set a second time.

Neato! When this photo loaded in its browser tab the top quarter got lopped off. I think I like it better that way.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 18, 2017, 03:44:33 pm
Back home amongst the raindrops and general gloom…

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on November 19, 2017, 04:20:35 am
Neato! When this photo loaded in its browser tab the top quarter got lopped off. I think I like it better that way.  :)
True, probably a square of the lower part will do, too ...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 19, 2017, 04:25:03 pm
I brought something back from Paris for Rob :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on November 19, 2017, 06:53:01 pm
from last month
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on November 20, 2017, 03:49:08 am
Some more of the "sofa"

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on November 20, 2017, 05:05:31 am
Envy?

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 20, 2017, 07:28:55 am
I brought something back from Paris for Rob :)

Like I need a scooter!

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 20, 2017, 07:33:20 am
Envy?


Nah, she's just disappointed by the legs. The hair makes up for it - maybe?

Is that a "sexist" observation, and if so, why would truth be considered a negative trait?

Like I often think, so many unanswerables in my life.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Michael West on November 20, 2017, 03:45:13 pm
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4576/24290153038_1cb35442c9_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on November 20, 2017, 09:38:37 pm
Trying a new technique, a mix of blur and realism.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscape-Impressions/i-d4MCqtP/0/b7ec282e/M/Madawaska%20131%20copy1000-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 20, 2017, 11:49:28 pm
New technique # 387 in the catalog of John R New Techniques???
It works.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on November 21, 2017, 04:47:51 am
Whatever the technique, the results are more than pleasant!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 21, 2017, 08:39:09 am
Ah, a classic vehicle :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 21, 2017, 12:14:08 pm
Ah, a classic vehicle :)

Cheers!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RobMacKillop on November 21, 2017, 01:22:53 pm
Hi folks. This is my first upload here.This was taken yesterday. Fuji X-T20, 16-50mm, processed in Photoshop Elements 11 and Nik Silver. The leaves are half submerged in rain water and mud. Beautiful  :)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4532/38520172422_8b54560a16_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21FTXeQ) (https://flic.kr/p/21FTXeQ)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on November 21, 2017, 02:06:27 pm
I'd say, very November.
;-)
 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on November 21, 2017, 02:06:38 pm
Hi folks. This is my first upload here.This was taken yesterday. Fuji X-T20, 16-50mm, processed in Photoshop Elements 11 and Nik Silver. The leaves are half submerged in rain water and mud. Beautiful  :)

Welcome! Jolly good start.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RobMacKillop on November 21, 2017, 02:27:31 pm
Yup, very November. Cheers, gents.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on November 21, 2017, 02:42:46 pm
And one November-Photo from me as well ... not as good, yours is really beautiful.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RobMacKillop on November 21, 2017, 03:16:35 pm
Well, I like yours a lot. Self Service, indeed. It makes me wonder who works there. You, perhaps?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 21, 2017, 03:34:09 pm
Hi folks. This is my first upload here.This was taken yesterday. Fuji X-T20, 16-50mm, processed in Photoshop Elements 11 and Nik Silver. The leaves are half submerged in rain water and mud. Beautiful  :)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4532/38520172422_8b54560a16_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21FTXeQ)
 (https://flic.kr/p/21FTXeQ)

Welcome!

I like your mood - sadly, it just reminded me I have to think of buying some Christmas cards, something I find futile but expected of me. So many obligations in life, so much wasted effort about so little, when all that matters is what's really in the heart. Oh well... guess it's tribal.

:-)

Rob C
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RobMacKillop on November 21, 2017, 03:43:04 pm
Christmas again?! I thought we had Christmas last year...

Cheers, Rob. BTW, nice name.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 21, 2017, 04:00:49 pm
Christmas again?! I thought we had Christmas last year...

Cheers, Rob. BTW, nice name.

Rob

What did you expect? You had to know my mother. She was always a bit neurotic about Christmas too, but heaven help me if I forgot a card! But once bitten, I never did it again. She was an amazing woman, and I owe her a lot - thanks to her I got dragged around wartime art galleries as a kid and it rubbed off on me very strongly; never turned into much of an artist, but the love was created, which I suppose is what she intended.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on November 21, 2017, 09:33:39 pm
Hi folks. This is my first upload here.This was taken yesterday. Fuji X-T20, 16-50mm, processed in Photoshop Elements 11 and Nik Silver. The leaves are half submerged in rain water and mud. Beautiful  :)

I very much like how you brought out the tones, especially highlight areas. I have read that Nik or Topaz can help a lot with BW imagery.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Alskoj on November 21, 2017, 09:41:38 pm
Hi folks. This is my first upload here.This was taken yesterday. Fuji X-T20, 16-50mm, processed in Photoshop Elements 11 and Nik Silver. The leaves are half submerged in rain water and mud. Beautiful  :)

Very nice image.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RobMacKillop on November 22, 2017, 02:40:56 am
Thanks guys. Yes, Nik Silver, now owned by Google and available for free, is worth a look at. There are many filters, which can be further edited in many subtle or unsubtle ways. I just use it occasionally, as only some images benefit from it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: degrub on November 22, 2017, 09:35:02 am
Have you thought of submitting to "Lenswork" publication ?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 22, 2017, 09:38:55 am
Welcome! Jolly good start.

+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RobMacKillop on November 22, 2017, 10:17:33 am
Have you thought of submitting to "Lenswork" publication ?

No. Never thought of submitting work anywhere, and have never heard of Lenswork. I'm very much an amateur. Thanks for the implication that it might be worthy of publication!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Bruce Cox on November 22, 2017, 04:04:04 pm
I am taken with Bar Van.  We don't have them quite like that in Texas. 

It seems a long lesson in history and design, as well as a modest but fetching object of desire.  All without making me feeling I necessarily need a drink.

Bruce
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on November 23, 2017, 08:06:16 pm
A waxing Moon for Thanksgiving.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RobMacKillop on November 24, 2017, 05:28:35 am
Nice, somewhat poetic image, Dave.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on November 24, 2017, 07:50:55 am
I am taken with Bar Van.  We don't have them quite like that in Texas. 

It seems a long lesson in history and design, as well as a modest but fetching object of desire.  All without making me feeling I necessarily need a drink.

Bruce


We seldom have them like this in Mallorca, either: this is the first one I've seen. On the other hand, neither do we have Cadillacs with horns sitting proudly up front: we are hardly permitted bull-bars, either, so I would trade opportunities on that one. In fact, if I remember properly, those bars were banned in the U.K. because they were tougher than the bodies they might contact at 70 miles per hour, even though plastic would prove just as terminal..

Politics is all about appearances, satisfying the casual observer who can't be bothered to think further than the info supplied.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on November 24, 2017, 02:48:31 pm
I am taken with Bar Van.  We don't have them quite like that in Texas. 

It seems a long lesson in history and design, as well as a modest but fetching object of desire.  All without making me feeling I necessarily need a drink.

Bruce

It's a very famous vehicle in France, it was part of the post-WW2 reconstruction. It was the French Kombi, en effet...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_H_Van
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Post by: Telecaster on November 24, 2017, 05:13:31 pm
From this afternoon’s park walk. ‘Twas ~50°F but the lake still had a veneer of ice.

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on November 25, 2017, 08:08:42 am
It's a very famous vehicle in France, it was part of the post-WW2 reconstruction. It was the French Kombi, en effet...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_H_Van


Thanks for the info re. the van; the old Alfa I snapped was there on the same day along with some original Jeeps, probably pinched from the military and hidden until it ceased to matter. Oh these Mediterranean customs... !
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 25, 2017, 04:17:46 pm

Thanks for the info re. the van; the old Alfa I snapped was there on the same day along with some original Jeeps, probably pinched from the military and hidden until it ceased to matter. Oh these Mediterranean customs... !

That article led me to read the one on the Kombi (officially "Volkswagen Type 2"... Type 1 was the beatle, it was before marketing...) which led me to the chicken tax:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

(in case you weren't sufficiently cynical about politics).

Anyway, passing cars:
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Post by: Rob C on November 25, 2017, 05:17:20 pm
That article led me to read the one on the Kombi (officially "Volkswagen Type 2"... Type 1 was the beatle, it was before marketing...) which led me to the chicken tax:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

(in case you weren't sufficiently cynical about politics).

Anyway, passing cars:

Big jugs?

;-)

Rob

P.S. My first thought was Leiter; I had another browse through our Lindbergh last night, and almost snapped both ankles when, as I almost nodded off, the tome slid from the protecting pillow on my lap and hit my pins. It's hard getting up off a couch quickly later in life. No, I don't like his images any the more, yet; in fact I think he actually cultivates ugly as a style. He seems to have done so much less with Claudia Schiffer, who at least has a tamed Bardotishness about her, than with the Kristen Macsomebody to whom I have never felt close in my soul. It's a German mystery, a master-race secret, no doubt. Can one say that safely? I'm sure Leica must agree - works for them, the mystery, I mean.
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 26, 2017, 05:39:57 am
I guess it depends on what one considers "ugly", which so far as make-up and clothing goes is probably subject to conditioning. I have a more grungy aesthetic and I'd take Linda Evangelista with a bit of grime over any number of plastered and rendered plastic women in immaculate clothes.

I think he's trying for the "off guard" look, ie the real woman behind the performance.... hence showing us the mechanics of the backdrop and so on. Completely fake of course.

The cigarettes annoy me deeply though: I know the fag companies slip zillions under the table to directors willing to have sympathetic characters in their films suck on cancer sticks, so I wonder if he was getting a pay off from Amatil et al?

Yesterday, again:
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Post by: Riaan van Wyk on November 26, 2017, 06:21:11 am
Sunday morning, was looking for my cleanest dirty shirt to stumble down the stairs with and saw this when I finished scratching in the bedroom cupboard.
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 26, 2017, 06:34:58 am
Ah, Sunday mornings can be good :) And heading up to the southern hemisphere summer, too...
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Post by: Rob C on November 26, 2017, 08:49:11 am
I guess it depends on what one considers "ugly", which so far as make-up and clothing goes is probably subject to conditioning. I have a more grungy aesthetic and I'd take Linda Evangelista with a bit of grime over any number of plastered and rendered plastic women in immaculate clothes.

I think he's trying for the "off guard" look, ie the real woman behind the performance.... hence showing us the mechanics of the backdrop and so on. Completely fake of course.

The cigarettes annoy me deeply though: I know the fag companies slip zillions under the table to directors willing to have sympathetic characters in their films suck on cancer sticks, so I wonder if he was getting a pay off from Amatil et al?

Yesterday, again:

Now that's tight framing!

Yes, Evangelista sure was a chameleon, but perhaps that was the influence of Italian Vogue and Steven Meisel.

I smoked until the death from throat cancer of my wife's uncle; I was thirty when I quit - I hope it wasn't too late. Wish I'd never started; smoking whilst printing led to one mother load of spotting!

Just as well coffee tastes fine when cold; just realised that typing has let that happen yet again.

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 27, 2017, 08:15:28 am
(Don't quote me on this, but smoking until you're 40 doesn't change your risk much. problem is, very few people are able to stop...)
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Post by: petermfiore on November 27, 2017, 12:07:56 pm
Just as well coffee tastes fine when cold; just realised that typing has let that happen yet again.

Rob

Cold coffee in the studio is a welcomed occurrence...equals a great day's progress. In the event of a bad day, the coffee has been known to hit the canvas.

Peter
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Post by: Rob C on November 27, 2017, 02:37:00 pm
Cold coffee in the studio is a welcomed occurrence...equals a great day's progress. In the event of a bad day, the coffee has been known to hit the canvas.

Peter


I wonder if that's why I smoked a lot in the darkroom? Having a lino floor, spilled coffee could have had me slip and break my neck, which might have pleased some, but not the client for whom I was in that room in the first place. I think drinks are better suited for the studio. On the other hand, that had a Lino surface too, so no, smoking was safer.

Would you believe it? Just writing this has given me a flash of sore throat! Where's the coffee?

;-)

Rob
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Post by: farbschlurf on November 27, 2017, 02:50:29 pm
In the process to tidy my archives (call me Sisyphus, as I won't get it done ever) I came across this older picture. Still like the stage like character.

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Post by: Telecaster on November 27, 2017, 04:47:47 pm
I love cold press coffee when the weather is warm. (Cold press is a variant of cold brew but made with a French Press.) Very little bitterness.

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2017, 04:36:41 am
I love cold press coffee when the weather is warm. (Cold press is a variant of cold brew but made with a French Press.) Very little bitterness.

-Dave-

No bitterness in mine at all: powder, Nescafé Classic Descafeinado (Con aroma a café recién molido) with a little milk - never any sugar.

I used to use Italian espresso things - double aluminium jars with a compartment between top and bottom sections for the ground coffe beans, but as with so much in life, not worth the hassle for one person. Both my mother and Ann's mother were good cooks: after being widowed neither seemed to cook anything again beyond subsistence level food. I understand completely, though I did not, and would chide them for neglecting themselves.

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 28, 2017, 08:20:20 am
I came across this older picture. Still like the stage like character.

Now I'm obsessed: is that a horse or a cow off to the right, and what is it doing?
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Post by: degrub on November 28, 2017, 08:26:47 am
looks like a brace of horses to my eye.
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 28, 2017, 08:28:06 am
Now I'm obsessed: is that a horse or a cow off to the right, and what is it doing?

Siamese-twins horse(s)?  ;)
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Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2017, 10:55:55 am
Siamese-twins horse(s)?  ;)


Don't be naïve, Slobodan: attempted bonding, obviously.

Rob
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Post by: Telecaster on November 28, 2017, 05:29:13 pm
Had a lovely afternoon at the park. Temp ~60°F, though it tumbles back to the normal low 40s tomorrow. I used a just-acquired Leitz 90/4 Elmar, the kinda/sorta rare three-element version made from 1964–68. When I was a kid my dad had this same version for a few years before moving it on, I think to his ‘tog friend Ben. “Too long for me,” he later said when I asked him about it. He was a diehard 50mm guy. Anyway, I still have his “rigid” Summicron along with a replacement for the rarely used 35/2.8 Summaron pilfered in a house break-in decades ago…and now the Elmar completes the set!

-Dave-
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Post by: JNB_Rare on November 29, 2017, 09:22:44 am
The End is Nigh... and also thigh high.
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Post by: Telecaster on November 29, 2017, 04:10:18 pm
I presume the shop window “models” are the three guys in the photo within the photo after some months of reduced but not yet dissolved circumstances.

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on November 29, 2017, 04:21:50 pm
The shop used to be a newsagent's base, where he went after being hoofed out of his original spot in the main square in order to make way for a café run by a family with far deeper pockets and many more businesses.

He was eventually displaced from this site (in the snap) by another firm running a wine bar venture. This ran for some years and then gave way to this rag shop. I'm not sure whether this is just a "sale" or a winding up venture... I should know by Easter when the town wakes up again. If this one stays snoring, then the truth will out...

The newspaper seller? He's still business, but a second-string shop, a book store that he ran, also went dodo hunting and has been a clothes emporium for some time. Culture? Maybe the pearls.

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 29, 2017, 04:45:34 pm
I used to use Italian espresso things - double aluminium jars with a compartment between top and bottom sections for the ground coffe beans,

Il biglietto, non ?

I actually like the ritual of making the coffee more than drinking it, I think... so I have an Italian all manual espresso machine and a grinder. Wastes at least 10 minutes of my morning in an enjoyable way. At work though it's the dreaded (copy of a)nespresso capsule.

This one has no relation to coffee
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 29, 2017, 04:46:24 pm
... whereas this one does.
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Post by: Rob C on November 29, 2017, 05:00:41 pm
... whereas this one does.

I hate that you have so many options!

I really need to go somewhere else with people...

;-)

Rob


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Post by: Rob C on November 29, 2017, 05:43:11 pm
Il biglietto, non ?

I actually like the ritual of making the coffee more than drinking it, I think... so I have an Italian all manual espresso machine and a grinder. Wastes at least 10 minutes of my morning in an enjoyable way. At work though it's the dreaded (copy of a)nespresso capsule.

This one has no relation to coffee


No, not the ticket at all! My natural suspicion always had me think that yes, this was the day that the thing would explode and kill me. We bought a stainless steel version by another maker and used that for some years, mainly because of the bad vibes attached to aluminium and food consumption. But all in all, without my better-half to enjoy it with me, it seems too much bother for what it's worth, especially the coffee powder packets which used to last me too long. Dow Egbert or something like that. We used to enjoy a locally ground one, but the little company that did the grinding and packaging vanished... progress.

Nescafé is not too bad once you get used to it; much like anything, really. But I get my café coffees out of their Italianate machines... nothing like the home stuff - ever. Can't beat a good big 'un.
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Post by: armand on November 29, 2017, 06:48:20 pm
in the park
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Post by: Telecaster on November 30, 2017, 12:29:13 am
I only found one leaf during my park walk yesterday.  :)

-Dave-
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Post by: GrahamBy on November 30, 2017, 03:24:54 am
I only found one leaf during my park walk yesterday.  :)

-Dave-

... a very fine one, though :)
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Post by: JNB_Rare on November 30, 2017, 09:16:36 am
I only found one leaf during my park walk yesterday.  :)

-Dave-

Lovely image.

I can contribute if your park needs a few more. This year we had someone else rake our fall leaves. In the past, I've collected over 100 bags of them off our "lawn". Around here, other people take them away even before the town pickup. Some use the leaf-filled bags as extra winter insulation around the base of their homes. One gent takes lots of bags to compost on his Christmas tree farm. I tried to float the "rake your own" idea (like the U-Pick berry farms), but no one was interested.  :)
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Post by: JNB_Rare on November 30, 2017, 09:23:41 am
I usually walk the local trails, but sometimes my wife and I drive to the ocean (20-30 minutes) for a morning walk.  This is Green Bay (Nova Scotia), on a blustery day. The light kept changing, and the waves were mesmerizing as always.
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Post by: Bruce Cox on November 30, 2017, 09:36:05 am
The waves are still mesmerizing, even after traveling the internet.

Bruce
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Post by: Rob C on November 30, 2017, 10:42:03 am
I usually walk the local trails, but sometimes my wife and drive to the ocean (20-30 minutes) for a morning walk.  This is Green Bay (Nova Scotia), on a blustery day. The light kept changing, and the waves were mesmerizing as always.

Strange, the rocks in the black/white: they have the appearance of wet coal! I like that shot a lot.

Rob
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Post by: Bruce Cox on November 30, 2017, 11:45:20 am
Thien Hau Temple
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Post by: Telecaster on November 30, 2017, 04:36:22 pm
Strange, the rocks in the black/white: they have the appearance of wet coal! I like that shot a lot.

Me too!

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on November 30, 2017, 04:42:34 pm
Speaking of leaves, my maple trees still have lotsa dead ones left. They’re usually down by now. Then again everything has been a little late weather-wise this year.

-Dave-
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Post by: JNB_Rare on November 30, 2017, 11:50:02 pm
Speaking of leaves, my maple trees still have lotsa dead ones left. They’re usually down by now. Then again everything has been a little late weather-wise this year.

-Dave-

Here, autumn has lasted longer than usual, yet not as colourful as most years. A few leaves hang on in the deciduous trees, but it's looking like early December for sure. This was shot in rain that became snow overnight, but it didn't last.
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Post by: Rob C on December 01, 2017, 02:53:14 pm
I remarked recently about an attempt to do a snatched snap using the iPad (at least, I think it was here that I was on that topic); my point was that it was far too wide-angled a lens the device uses. In the snap, the subject was no more than about two feet or so away, outside a widow with myself inside, looking out.

This crop is about an eighth of the frame - stupidly, when I got it into the computer, I immediately cropped it to suit what I'd had in mind, and naturally, hoofed it out of the iPad too, so I can no longer refer back to the original. However, I suppose that what it may show is that in extremis, it isn't a total loss, though the cellphone would be far more discreet! Nonetheless, far too close for comfort or reasonable perspective.

The lashes are very crisp in the original.
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Post by: Telecaster on December 01, 2017, 08:39:16 pm
Yes, the iPad lens is on the wide (though not wild) side: ~75° diagonally in the native 4:3 aspect ratio. Same with iPhone standard lenses. (Newer models have a second, longer lens as well.) Much like a 28mm lens in the now Really Big “full frame” format. I’d use my phone cam a lot more if it were in the 35–40mm equiv. range.

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on December 01, 2017, 08:45:02 pm
Here, autumn has lasted longer than usual, yet not as colourful as most years. A few leaves hang on in the deciduous trees, but it's looking like early December for sure. This was shot in rain that became snow overnight, but it didn't last.

Here’s one from this afternoon’s park walk. Could well be snow covered a week from today if the weather forecast holds up (as it nearly always does now).

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2017, 04:12:31 am
Here’s one from this afternoon’s park walk. Could well be snow covered a week from today if the weather forecast holds up (as it nearly always does now).

-Dave-

Is hunting allowed near that trail?

;-)

Rob
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Post by: petermfiore on December 02, 2017, 09:47:56 am
Is hunting allowed near that trail?

;-)

Rob

Hi Rob,
While I don't know about that trail. The trails that I frequent do allow hunting. The alarming part is that hunters often shoot across trails.
Sections of the trails that bend and switchback on themselves in various places...a hunter hears movement and takes blind shot. Not uncommon. I wear bright red and talk very loudly on parts of the joint use trails. But I do avoid opening day scenarios.

Peter
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Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2017, 09:57:46 am
Hi Rob,
While I don't know about that trail. The trails that I frequent do allow hunting. The alarming part is that hunters often shoot across trails.
Sections of the trails that bend and switchback on themselves in various places...a hunter hears movement and takes blind shot. Not uncommon. I wear bright red and talk very loudly on parts of the joint use trails. But I do avoid opening day scenarios.

Peter


Heysoos, Peter! Wear red and they'll think you a red deer! Or even Santa.

;-)

Rob
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 02, 2017, 10:44:38 am
.. The trails that I frequent do allow hunting. The alarming part is that hunters often shoot across trails.
Sections of the trails that bend and switchback on themselves in various places...a hunter hears movement and takes blind shot. Not uncommon....

https://nypost.com/2017/11/24/hunter-fatally-shot-woman-he-thought-was-a-deer-cops/
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Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2017, 02:06:31 pm
You are what you eat.
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Post by: Telecaster on December 02, 2017, 04:23:54 pm
Is hunting allowed near that trail?

;-)

Not as a rule, but there have been whitetail (deer) culls in the past due to overpopulation. It was bad c. 2003–4. On some trails you’d regularly find yourself negotiating deer traffic, and park vegetation was suffering. But this is private land and regular ol’ hunting is verboten. Nowadays close-range deer encounters are rare. This one (attached pic, from a few months ago) is about the closest I’ve been to a young buck in ~14 years. (Earlier in this thread are a pair of even closer pics of the same youngster. M9, 90mm lens.)

-Dave-
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Post by: JNB_Rare on December 02, 2017, 07:57:45 pm
A different place for a walk today. Heavy overcast with a cold, damp wind led to some interpretative processing.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 02, 2017, 08:53:46 pm
Fall foliage has been miserable in Massachusetts this year.
Here are a couple of minimalist fall foliage fotos.

-Eric
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Post by: JNB_Rare on December 02, 2017, 10:08:40 pm
Fall foliage has been miserable in Massachusetts this year.
Here are a couple of minimalist fall foliage fotos.

-Eric

I like the simplicity of the 2nd one.
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Post by: Telecaster on December 02, 2017, 10:16:22 pm
Fall foliage has been miserable in Massachusetts this year.
Here are a couple of minimalist fall foliage fotos.

I like! On my walk four days ago I had a pine cones on pine needles photo arranged, on the trail, and was in the process of focusing my lens when a couple ladies strolled past, lost in conversation. One of ‘em booted both cones out of place. “I think you messed up this man’s photo.” “Oh…did I? Sorreee…” In the moment I was so miffed I gave each cone another kick and then walked on.  :D

-Dave-
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 02, 2017, 11:20:08 pm
Thanks, JNB and Dave.

And Dave: You might want to hire a couple of armed guards to keep the old ladies out of camera range.   ;)

Eric
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Post by: John R on December 03, 2017, 12:55:12 am
It's nice to be be able to go on stroll in any park and just stop now and then and take a photo. No pressure. However my wife would dispute that I ever go on walk without contemplating photography.

John, I really like the sheep image. PP sets them apart and creates a nice ambiance.

Eric, nice set. You got the "glow."

Dave, your story had me in stitches. Because I feel great sympathy, I am attaching a guard "dog" for you. Well sort of. Just print him out and place him where you don't want people to go near. He even has laser eyes.

JR

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Post by: Bruce Cox on December 03, 2017, 09:24:23 am
I like the simplicity of the 2nd one.

+1

Bruce
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Post by: Telecaster on December 03, 2017, 03:30:19 pm
Dave, your story had me in stitches. Because I feel great sympathy, I am attaching a guard "dog" for you. Well sort of. Just print him out and place him where you don't want people to go near. He even has laser eyes.

Hah! Thanks. Very Vegas.  :)

-Dave-
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Post by: 32BT on December 04, 2017, 07:03:26 am
The local art committee has decided on an American Dream theme for the coming months. The local museum is running American Realist painters and we even have an interpretation of a Statue of Liberty. The sculptor has decided on a beggar/fugitive variation if I'm not mistaken, not particularly original if true.

I always wondered what was with the latest trend in photography shooting directly into the sun. Especially with shadows lifted to normal daylight levels. Probably EVFs and live view makes it simple to do. idk. Like we ever are able to look straight into the sun, unless of course, we are a US president, which brings us right back to the theme I suppose.

But in this case I was quite content with the acronym for Statue of Liberty. Layers of meaning:

"SoL"


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Post by: Rob C on December 04, 2017, 07:09:37 am
The local art committee has decided on an American Dream theme for the coming months. The local museum is running American Realist painters and we even have an interpretation of a Statue of Liberty. The sculptor has decided on a beggar/fugitive variation if I'm not mistaken, not particularly original if true.

I always wondered what was with the latest trend in photography shooting directly into the sun. Especially with shadows lifted to normal daylight levels. Probably EVFs and live view makes it simple to do. idk. Like we ever are able to look straight into the sun, unless of course, we are a US president, which brings us right back to the theme I suppose.

But in this case I was quite content with the acronym for Statue of Liberty. Layers of meaning:

"SoL"


You don't need no narrative, Oscar, your photographs are eloquent enough!

Rob
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 04, 2017, 07:44:10 am
... Like we ever are able to look straight into the sun...

I've been doing it all my life, just like gazillions of other humans... what's the big deal?
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 04, 2017, 09:08:28 am
I went to Toulouse on the weekend. I expected it would be warmer than Lyon, but it was snowing on Saturday morning... so I felt jealous of the hot-house in the Jardin des Plantes...
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 04, 2017, 09:09:45 am
Outside, the only folk looking relaxed were made of stone...
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 04, 2017, 10:19:56 am
"SoL"
Good shot, Oscar, even if you sold your soul to the Sol and the SoL to get it.  ;)
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Post by: Rob C on December 04, 2017, 02:16:43 pm
Outsode, the only folk looking relaxed were made of stone...

Wait until the political correctnesses get into power: all that disgusting muted grunting will be stopped, once and for all. In public, for heaven's sake! Enough to frighten the horses, is that. Off with their heads!

Rob
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Post by: Telecaster on December 04, 2017, 05:57:31 pm
At the park this afternoon even the trees & vines were getting into it.  :)

-Dave-
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 05, 2017, 05:32:50 am
Finally, I went inside to wait for the train.
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 05, 2017, 09:12:34 am
Emergence...

Ha, yes :)

What was that about lack of total control someone wrote somewhere? ;)
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Post by: Telecaster on December 05, 2017, 03:49:40 pm
Employing my favorite cinema aspect ratio.

-Dave-
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 05, 2017, 08:16:50 pm
Verizon Wireless in the Wilderness
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Post by: John R on December 06, 2017, 01:01:53 am
Verizon Wireless in the Wilderness
Neat Eric. Who's calling? I can still hear something in that empty field. This reminds me of why I finally bought a cell phone.  I would grab some tissues and fight through the cob webs and lift the receiver only to hear dead silence. Another time the phone machine took my last two quarters but would not process the call. The operator came on and wanted my credit card number for 50 cents!!!!!!  I slammed the phone on the powerful steel hook, but it was solid and would never break. Instead, as my friends always remind me, I broke down and bought a cell phone. Se la Vie.

JR
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Post by: John R on December 06, 2017, 11:44:40 am
"A voice was chanting, As the fog was lifting." (W. Guthrie) Guess I heard it.

JR

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Hilton-Falls/i-zcnbn89/0/001f9983/M/JMRO4954%20Dec%204-%202017%20Terra%20Cotta%20copy1000-M.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Hilton-Falls/i-kGxs4F4/0/b45d0843/M/JMRO4973%20Dec%204-%202017%20Terra%20Cotta%20copy1000-M.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Hilton-Falls/i-ShrG62K/0/a2e4a9e7/M/JMRO4978%20Dec%204-%202017-%20Terra%20Cotta%20bwcopy-1000-M.jpg)
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 06, 2017, 01:25:57 pm
Love the title, Rob.
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 06, 2017, 02:05:36 pm
Poly Leaving, at least. But maybe he'll come around again...
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Post by: Rob C on December 06, 2017, 02:09:32 pm
Love the title, Rob.

:-)

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on December 06, 2017, 02:12:23 pm
Poly Leaving, at least. But maybe he'll come around again...

Let's hope not! Bad enough getting ordinary flu at this time of year.

Like your shot - that movement next to the woman in red makes it for me.

Rob
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Post by: JNB_Rare on December 06, 2017, 08:27:50 pm
In the Shadows. Originally shot 12 years ago. Reinterpreted on this rainy day.
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Post by: Rob C on December 07, 2017, 08:03:04 am
In the Shadows. Originally shot 12 years ago. Reinterpreted on this rainy day.


Funny thing: I have learned to enjoy rainy days again. Not only is the light more kindly, the incentive to cheer up the self makes my mind turn to photography. Not that it ever goes anywhere much else anymore, but you probably know what I mean. So-called shitty weather makes images assume a different character that is far more interesting than solid blue up top, with the commercially inspired token white cloud. When I was still working, my wife and I referred to those as Tony Stone skies.

Rob
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Post by: petermfiore on December 07, 2017, 09:13:47 am

Funny thing: I have learned to enjoy rainy days again. Not only is the light more kindly, the incentive to cheer up the self makes my mind turn to photography. Not that it ever goes anywhere much else anymore, but you probably know what I mean. So-called shitty weather makes images assume a different character that is far more interesting than solid blue up top, with the commercially inspired token white cloud. When I was still working, my wife and I referred to those as Tony Stone skies.

Rob
Rob,
It's my favorite light...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 07, 2017, 10:05:39 am
Rob,
It's my favorite light...


And you have made good use of it, too. Can hardly wait to move back to a city.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on December 07, 2017, 12:43:56 pm

And you have made good use of it, too. Can hardly wait to move back to a city.

Rob

You have city plans...in the near future?

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 07, 2017, 02:22:43 pm
You have city plans...in the near future?

Peter

Have had them for a couple of years, but they depend totally on the sale of my apartment, which is never an easy thing to do these days, because most of the stuff up here in the north of the island will be bought by folks seeking holiday summer homes, a majority of such buyers being non-Spanish nationals. It's pretty much exclusively a holiday area with very little other industry to support demand and provide the money with which to purchase. There are plenty of young people with desires, but not the loot with which to do it, a huge problem in Southern Europe as a whole, as far as I can determine.

Rob
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Post by: petermfiore on December 07, 2017, 03:29:50 pm
Have had them for a couple of years, but they depend totally on the sale of my apartment, which is never an easy thing to do these days, because most of the stuff up here in the north of the island will be bought by folks seeking holiday summer homes, a majority of such buyers being non-Spanish nationals. It's pretty much exclusively a holiday area with very little other industry to support demand and provide the money with which to purchase. There are plenty of young people with desires, but not the loot with which to do it, a huge problem in Southern Europe as a whole, as far as I can determine.

Rob
In a perfect world, what city would be your escape?

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 07, 2017, 03:44:55 pm
In a perfect world, what city would be your escape?

Peter

Rome.

Next, perhaps Milan, but I remember nothing about it except fog. However, the potential must be good! Cannes had a lot of good-looking women, so perhaps that would feed the camera's appetite for pulchritude.

That perfect world would also, of course, have to include a perfect bank account, or I may as well just stay where I am.

Rob
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Post by: petermfiore on December 07, 2017, 04:28:27 pm
Rome.

Next, perhaps Milan, but I remember nothing about it except fog. However, the potential must be good! Cannes had a lot of good-looking women, so perhaps that would feed the camera's appetite for pulchritude.

That perfect world would also, of course, have to include a perfect bank account, or I may as well just stay where I am.

Rob
Rome I like very much...I have cousins that live in Milan, so not there. Sort of kidding.
Perfect bank account. Would that be a bank account where the balance never shrinks? That would be perfect!!
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Post by: muntanela on December 07, 2017, 07:07:20 pm
Nothing like Naples, it is a historical miracle, an Unicum.
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Post by: farbschlurf on December 08, 2017, 02:06:09 pm
Trying to cope with the dull light typical for the season, around here.

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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 08, 2017, 03:28:11 pm
Nice mood.
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 09, 2017, 08:58:49 am
Lovely, Rob, just lovely. The colors, composition, mood..., in-focus and out-of-focus, straight on and reflected. Perhaps a literary equivalent would be... stream of consciousness? Or am I too reflective this morning?
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Post by: KLaban on December 09, 2017, 09:43:54 am
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3176_orig.jpg)

Rob

Image border apart, absolutely wonderful!
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Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2017, 10:22:58 am
Lovely, Rob, just lovely. The colors, composition, mood..., in-focus and out-of-focus, straight on and reflected. Perhaps a literary equivalent would be... stream of consciousness? Or am I too reflective this morning?

Thank you, Slobodan; after a certain age most of us end up with consciousness being the only real, unbroken stream we can manage - rather do we end up with incessant, minor, nocturnal tributaries.

;-(

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2017, 10:24:49 am
Image border apart, absolutely wonderful!


Thanks, Keith, but look: if I didn't use distressed borders, how would anyone know I was really advanced, and into digital?

;-)

Rob
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Post by: John R on December 09, 2017, 10:27:55 am
Thank you, Slobodan; after a certain age most of us end up with consciousness being the only real, unbroken stream we can manage - rather do we end up with incessant, minor, nocturnal tributaries.

;-(

Rob
You can't fool me, those are dancing spirits.

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2017, 10:28:49 am
You can't fool me, those are dancing spirits.

JR

Water sprites?

Rob
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Post by: KLaban on December 09, 2017, 10:33:43 am

Thanks, Keith, but look: if I didn't use distressed borders, how would anyone know I was really advanced, and into digital?

;-)

Rob

Hi Rob, just ignore me, I didn't even like genuine notched Hasselblad borders!

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on December 09, 2017, 12:30:49 pm
I do remember filing out negative carriers to "Make Art Images"...they were so much better.

  : ) 

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2017, 12:38:11 pm
Hi Rob, just ignore me, I didn't even like genuine notched Hasselblad borders!

;-)


OMG! And to think that I even went to the trouble and great expense of making artificial ones for genuine, digital Hassyfakes!

Whatever became of them, I wonder? Probably gone walkabout with Missie Coke...

:-)

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 09, 2017, 03:17:05 pm
(Vigil)

Rob

Gorgeous!
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 09, 2017, 03:19:39 pm
Meanwhile, my favourite jongleuse was back, and it was the Fête des Lumières...

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Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2017, 04:10:33 pm
Gorgeous!


Thanks; it's one that I shot a few days ago and forgot. That's the trouble with life: unless things get done right away there's always the chance they don't get done at all. If it hadn't been pissing down, I might never have gone back into the folder...

The 'Pad shows a lock symbol (on YouTube) so perhaps that's why I can't copy/paste, but give a whirl to:

"Neil Sedaka I waited too long" just type that in, and it comes up.

Your friend with the clubs: carrying a deadly weapon in the street?

Rob
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Post by: KLaban on December 09, 2017, 04:13:45 pm
Quote from: Rob C link=topic=118771.msg1015827#msg1015827


(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3200_1_orig.jpg)

Hell, Rob, you're on a roll.

Beautiful.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 09, 2017, 04:24:06 pm
Hell, Rob, you're on a roll.

Beautiful.
Absolutely!
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Post by: Telecaster on December 09, 2017, 05:36:41 pm
First snow of the season. I always wish it wouldn't come, but once it does I kinda enjoy it. For a week or so anyway.  ;)  When I was a teenager my pal Patty & I would go crosscountry skiing after each decent snowfall in a state park not far from where I go trail walking now. Over time we got pretty darn good at it too. We're still pals, though these days we live far apart, and part of our thing is exchanging winter photos.

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2017, 05:43:53 pm
Roll: thanks - so was the girl. Quite oblivious to everything but her machine. From when she came in, had her drink, to when she departed, she couldn't have spoken more than two sentences (short!) to her companions.

I suppose that had this been a camera, one of those screens that fold down would have been rather handy. Especially if focussing by touching the screen. Heresy! As it is, the iPad does have the advantage of not looking threatening, especially when I am connected to the darn thing with 'phones. If anything, I suppose that I come over as the vulnerable one.

:-)

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on December 09, 2017, 05:45:45 pm
First snow of the season. I always wish it wouldn't come, but once it does I kinda enjoy it. For a week or so anyway.  ;)  When I was a teenager my pal Patty & I would go crosscountry skiing after each decent snowfall in a state park not far from where I go trail walking now. Over time we got pretty darn good at it too. We're still pals, though these days we live far apart, and part of our thing is exchanging winter photos.

-Dave-

Like the graphics one on top!

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 10, 2017, 07:58:13 am
Roll: thanks - so was the girl. Quite oblivious to everything but her machine.

Fortunately, some maintain human contact :)
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 10, 2017, 07:59:41 am
And anyway, only two weeks to Christmas and everything that goes with it :)
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Post by: 32BT on December 10, 2017, 09:20:05 am
Since we have a lunch theme going: this was at lunch, couldn't see who it was that deserved such undivided attention which i thought would be interesting to capture. Not a cellphone in sight at that table, unlike other tables btw which, oddly enough, primarily featured older women showing off the grandchildren to eachother or something. At the table next to me they finally stowed their phones at one point, only to finish up an leave.

If you want your kids to use a cellphone responsibly, set a decent example, i say. Like giving somebody your "undivided attention"...
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 10, 2017, 12:39:37 pm
The cell phone discussion reminds me of a couple of my own shots, that I probably posted somewhere on LuLa before.

In the first, three people are actually reading books on a bench in New York.

Then five minutes later, same bench...
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Post by: Rob C on December 10, 2017, 01:19:17 pm
The answers' clear, Eric: they saw you snapping as they held their decoy books, and then pulled out their cellphones to catch you next time! It's clearly a social game.

There are eyes everywhere!

:-)

Rob
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 10, 2017, 01:54:17 pm
But one of the three didn't realize she had timed out on her book.
Is it partly a gender thing?   ;)

Eric
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 10, 2017, 02:42:30 pm
The passing parade...
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 10, 2017, 04:43:03 pm
You've got a great eye, Graham.

Eric
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 11, 2017, 05:57:02 pm
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3178_orig.jpg)

Rob
Nice. (But I still miss Ms. Coke.   ;)  )

Eric
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Post by: Rob C on December 12, 2017, 04:30:38 am
Nice. (But I still miss Ms. Coke.   ;)  )

Eric

Tell you what, Eric: I'll get her a new dress and see where we can go to renew our old collaboration, but beware: old models may have developed new friends! I don't want to face that glassy stare at the wrong moment.

However, that said, perhaps dedicating a few hours to her on the iPad camera will fool her somewhat, rekindle a sentimental streak she may still retain! Truth to tell, she sits behind me whenever I'm at the computer, a silent critic of everything else she sees.

Rob
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 12, 2017, 08:46:25 am
Tell you what, Eric: I'll get her a new dress and see where we can go to renew our old collaboration, but beware: old models may have developed new friends! I don't want to face that glassy stare at the wrong moment.

However, that said, perhaps dedicating a few hours to her on the iPad camera will fool her somewhat, rekindle a sentimental streak she may still retain! Truth to tell, she sits behind me whenever I'm at the computer, a silent critic of everything else she sees.

Rob
Definitely worth a try, Rob.

Eric
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Post by: Rob C on December 12, 2017, 11:16:03 am
Definitely worth a try, Rob.

Eric

Well, there's something putrid in the state of.

I shot a couple of snaps on the iPad today, but for some reason they won't fly across to my computer.

I get the picture into the iPad's Photos gallery, click on it, see the box with the upwards arrow, click it, put in my e-mail address and click SEND. Zilch. It's been woking okay so far - witness the girl with her cellphone to her ear - but today - zero. I sent myself an e-mail from the computer to check it's working, and that got through... perhaps it's Nikon laying down the law and demanding I use their product again for this stuff, and that I stop flirting with the apples! I definitely saw no snakes.

Maybe there's a moral there about convenience, laziness etc. But lunch was good, anyway.

There may even be some security plot working in the Windows computer to distance Apple products, stop them getting in! Nothing would surpise me anymore. It's the age in which we live.

;-(

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on December 13, 2017, 03:29:18 pm
Further to the problems above: finally, found a burst of messages arriving into the PC! No idea what changed. Anyway.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3201_orig.jpg)

;-)

Rob

...I sea what you due their!!

Peter
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Post by: Rob C on December 13, 2017, 04:27:38 pm
...I sea what you due their!!

Peter

It keeps me alive, Peter!

:-) or maybe that should be :-(

But anyway, it does let that iPad work for its weight!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 14, 2017, 08:41:08 am
It's good to see that the genes carry the talent.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 14, 2017, 08:57:17 am
I wonder... a thread called "The Leiter Side of Life"?
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Post by: francois on December 14, 2017, 09:22:21 am
It's good to see that the genes carry the talent.

Eric
Surprising but this is the ultimate proof!
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Post by: degrub on December 14, 2017, 12:44:04 pm
I wonder... a thread called "The Leiter Side of Life"?

Is that an Idle moment question ?
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Post by: farbschlurf on December 14, 2017, 01:30:44 pm
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 14, 2017, 02:24:26 pm
It's good to see that the genes carry the talent.

Eric


That's harsh: I don't believe my wife even knew Leiter! In any of the senses. I was far too careful to give her cause for vengeance - I think.

Seriously, though, I think she might have made a good job of it - my daughter - as fashion photographer; a least she'd have had a good idea what it entailed. Maybe that was the trouble! Knowing too much can prevent mistakes... what's that thing about the sins of the father being visited upon the sons?

But she made her own way, had her family, got both girls through university and into good prospects, and that's what counts at the end of it all. Not that it's the end yet, I trust!

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on December 14, 2017, 02:30:26 pm
Surprising but this is the ultimate proof!

I choose to see that as a compliment, for which I thank you; quite how my daughter might react to the idea she may have too much of me in her makeup may be something quite else!

:-)

Rob
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Post by: 32BT on December 14, 2017, 03:36:47 pm

That's harsh: I don't believe my wife even knew Leiter! In any of the senses. I was far too careful to give her cause for vengeance - I think.

Seriously, though, I think she might have made a good job of it - my daughter - as fashion photographer; a least she'd have had a good idea what it entailed. Maybe that was the trouble! Knowing too much can prevent mistakes... what's that thing about the sins of the father being visited upon the sons?

But she made her own way, had her family, got both girls through university and into good prospects, and that's what counts at the end of it all. Not that it's the end yet, I trust!

Rob

Dear god i should hope not. Leiter would be the first to roll over...

;-(
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Post by: 32BT on December 14, 2017, 03:39:17 pm
"Vandalism"
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 14, 2017, 03:56:50 pm
The cell phone discussion reminds me of a couple of my own shots, that I probably posted somewhere on LuLa before.

In the first, three people are actually reading books on a bench in New York.

Then five minutes later, same bench...

Hmm, would make an interesting triptych with a final picture showing an empty bench...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 14, 2017, 04:13:21 pm
Lovely, Rob, just lovely. The colors, composition, mood..., in-focus and out-of-focus, straight on and reflected. Perhaps a literary equivalent would be... stream of consciousness? Or am I too reflective this morning?

Speaking of literary equivalent, we have an author here who wrote a book called "stream of consciousness" which is several hundred pages of his thoughts void of punctuation and allineation. Unreadable and incomprehensible of course, which makes one wonder whether it should be called "stream of unconsciousness" or subconsciousness, depending on your believesystem whereby the latter might be a better fit for that experiment or Rob's picture for that matter...
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Post by: Rob C on December 14, 2017, 04:43:35 pm
"Vandalism"

Which just goes to prove that plastic bags are not all bad: one over the seat (of the bike, of course - but I don't know...) would have made it safe to drive away. Two more, one over each handgrip, and total European winter comfort!

Nice sense about it; you can hear the silence snow brings.

Rob
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Post by: 32BT on December 14, 2017, 05:14:55 pm
Which just goes to prove that plastic bags are not all bad: one over the seat (of the bike, of course - but I don't know...) would have made it safe to drive away. Two more, one over each handgrip, and total European winter comfort!

Nice sense about it; you can hear the silence snow brings.

Rob

I think neither of these bikes will go anywhere safely under normal configuration, regardless of snow or plastic bags, but I admit that even I had to look twice before I got that. It was however the reason for stopping to take a picture despite that it was still snowing. I couldn't quite figure out why the foreground bike was still there.
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Post by: JNB_Rare on December 14, 2017, 08:38:56 pm
Barbie's head was spinning...
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 14, 2017, 08:40:05 pm
Hmm, would make an interesting triptych with a final picture showing an empty bench...
I'll try to capture that bench the next time I'm in New York. Thanks for the idea.

Eric
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 14, 2017, 08:41:38 pm
Barbie's head was spinning...
Wow! What is she on?
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Post by: Rob C on December 15, 2017, 04:35:37 am
I think neither of these bikes will go anywhere safely under normal configuration, regardless of snow or plastic bags, but I admit that even I had to look twice before I got that. It was however the reason for stopping to take a picture despite that it was still snowing. I couldn't quite figure out why the foreground bike was still there.


Ah! There appears to be a break in the frame just where the bottom of the V meets the drive/pedal stucture. Nothing like snow to provide perfect camouflage! Doping, obviously.

;-)

Rob
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Post by: Rob C on December 15, 2017, 04:37:16 am
Wow! What is she on?

Spokes: it's the new thing.

Did Saul ride a bike?

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 15, 2017, 05:27:58 am
Speaking of literary equivalent, we have an author here who wrote a book called "stream of consciousness" which is several hundred pages of his thoughts void of punctuation and allineation. Unreadable and incomprehensible of course, which makes one wonder whether it should be called "stream of unconsciousness" or subconsciousness, depending on your believesystem whereby the latter might be a better fit for that experiment or Rob's picture for that matter...

Which reminds me of the book on "Grammar for the time traveller" described in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy... since no-one could actually read more than a few pages, "later editions were printed with the remainder of the pages left blank, to save printing costs".

Ah yes, Chapter 15 of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe:

"The major problem is simply one of grammar, and the main work to consult in this matter is Dr. Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveler's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations. It will tell you, for instance, how to describe something that was about to happen to you in the past before you avoided it by time-jumping forward two days in order to avoid it. The event will be descibed differently according to whether you are talking about it from the standpoint of your own natural time, from a time in the further future, or a time in the further past and is futher complicated by the possibility of conducting conversations while you are actually traveling from one time to another with the intention of becoming your own mother or father.

Most readers get as far as the Future Semiconditionally Modified Subinverted Plagal Past Subjunctive Intentional before giving up; and in fact in later aditions of the book all pages beyond this point have been left blank to save on printing costs."
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Post by: GrahamBy on December 15, 2017, 05:31:55 am
I adore the bike photo, btw, dislocated bottom-bracket or not.
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Post by: JNB_Rare on December 15, 2017, 08:07:31 am
Wow! What is she on?

An overdose of a-CYCLO-vir. (Sorry – just couldn't help myself)
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Post by: 32BT on December 15, 2017, 11:51:48 am
Think of it as coca-cola red, if it wasn't for Sony's interpretation of that color. To stay in theme and flow of coke and bikes. Coke and bikes, because Barbie must have gone high on something.
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Post by: 32BT on December 15, 2017, 11:56:22 am
Which reminds me of the book on "Grammar for the time traveller" described in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy...

One day i'm going to buy an old jaguar for a roadtrip, vanity plates read "don't panic", cautionary words to the self or other drivers, don't know yet. But first i'll need to figure out how to move the couch out of the stairway...
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Post by: Rob C on December 15, 2017, 02:04:01 pm
Think of it as coca-cola red, if it wasn't for Sony's interpretation of that color. To stay in theme and flow of coke and bikes. Coke and bikes, because Barbie must have gone high on something.


Great graphics!

Rob
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Post by: Telecaster on December 15, 2017, 02:56:18 pm
The Friedlander thread reminded me of the attached iPhone pic, from a few years ago. For a month or so c. early 2000 I kept my Contax IIa hanging around my neck while driving and ended up with some pics I liked. But I stopped after photographing an accident and realizing I was likely being careless enough to cause one.

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on December 15, 2017, 03:57:31 pm
The Friedlander thread reminded me of the attached iPhone pic, from a few years ago. For a month or so c. early 2000 I kept my Contax IIa hanging around my neck while driving and ended up with some pics I liked. But I stopped after photographing an accident and realizing I was likely being careless enough to cause one.

-Dave-

It's funny how one thing leads to another; my Coke shot this a.m. must have been directly influenced by the same source, yet I always felt that my pro life was not influenced much by other people, if only because their situations were inevitably different to mine, and so were the people with whom I interconnected through work. I wonder, now, whether had I ever had the pleasure of a shoot with Shrimpton or Twiggy I'd have felt a pull to ape Bailey or Lategan? An interesting question, to me. Would it have been possible to ignore the iconic-in-their-time images we all knew so well?
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 15, 2017, 04:55:06 pm
From this morning's iPad exercise.

Very poor ergonomics: half the time, as I went from verical to horizontal (with gloves off, I might add), the video would switch itself on and confuse both the issue and myself. Changing from snap to vid should be accident-proof. God knows how folks with huge hands would manage; they'd probably find themselves changing the focus point at the same time, too. The Shoot! button should be on the side, out of the way.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3202_1_orig.jpg)

Rob
Ah, it is good to see the old girl back and braving the storm.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 15, 2017, 05:08:06 pm
Ah, it is good to see the old girl back and braving the storm.

Eric

Eric, we were both so cold I thought she was going to crack. But, she got through it bravely, and I had to promise to take her out more often. The things we have to do!

Rob

P.S. The white horse now takes her carrots straight from my palm! I feel a sense of real accomplishment and, oddly, sentimentality! Who'd a thunk? I love a horse? And all so quickly?
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Post by: JNB_Rare on December 15, 2017, 10:56:59 pm
Think of it as coca-cola red, if it wasn't for Sony's interpretation of that color. To stay in theme and flow of coke and bikes. Coke and bikes, because Barbie must have gone high on something.

Coke and bikes: Two very nice pics... and such a lovely bicycle. Not like this monstrosity. But I liked the light.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 15, 2017, 11:09:02 pm
Keeping with the bike theme: a vandal tries his hand at 'art'.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 15, 2017, 11:59:51 pm
Keeping with the bike theme: a vandal tries his hand at 'art'.
Not bad art. I sometimes considered doing something like that to my bike, but I gave it up completely about when I hit 70 (years, not MPH.)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 16, 2017, 05:00:31 am
Coke and bikes: Two very nice pics... and such a lovely bicycle. Not like this monstrosity. But I liked the light.


Lovely light in that shot - happens now and again. Trick is catching it, as you have here, at the same time as having a subject. Methinks it would have suited Charis Weston perfectly - though perhaps best off the bike...

Are those official bike-parking devices? Never seen them like that before.

Light not very pretty this a.m. - well,  was in bed so can't really tell, but had hail two hours ago and some still lies in the shade. My first thought was the car - had ever single one of them here damaged by hailstones. No point in gping out to see - what may have been has or has not been.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 16, 2017, 05:05:57 am
Not bad art. I sometimes considered doing something like that to my bike, but I gave it up completely about when I hit 70 (years, not MPH.)

What was wrong with 70? Were it not for inconvenience of parking one, I might buy into it again. Numbers were better the lower they were. No, I wouldn't buy a bike today. Walking is more strenuous - no temptation to coast - so much better for me. Anyway, on a bike, I'd never have met my new best friend, the horse.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 16, 2017, 09:03:46 am
Viva la Coke!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 16, 2017, 09:26:48 am
Are those official bike-parking devices? Never seen them like that before.

Yes – I'm not sure of their origin, but I've seen them in several Canadian cities. Of course some think they could be prettier.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 16, 2017, 11:06:45 am
Coke and bikes: Two very nice pics... and such a lovely bicycle. Not like this monstrosity. But I liked the light.

Considering the shapes and patterns of the shading, and the shadow cast by the bicyclestands, this one might have worked just as well without the bike. Nicely processed.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 16, 2017, 11:08:10 am
Keeping with the bike theme: a vandal tries his hand at 'art'.

I sure hope this "artproject" is in no way related to the previous picture...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 16, 2017, 11:23:49 am
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3203_orig.jpg)

Rob

How come these modern cars kill the mood? Or is it just me?

Seems a bit like the other day, i was driving with someone when Eurythmics' "it's all right" came on the radio and she mentioned that the music of that era was so different than todays. She couldn't explain it, she said, but she could feel it in her body.

I later realized that yes, todays music is more about "aggression" than it is about "happiness" with all of the rap/mob culture etc. So it would follow naturally that it just induces aggression in the body as well, if you suffer that particular kinesthetic synesthesia.

It's also with modern car design, totally aimed at a more aggressive disposition. Just look at the frontface of currentday bmw and audi. They used to call those ringlights "angel eyes" but they primarily look like very, very, angry hawkeyes today with the added led-strings.


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 16, 2017, 11:25:21 am
Viva la Coke!

Indeed, and I'm surprised she looks so calm.

I'd just sat down, and was adjusting the various bits of paraphernalia that accompany me through my life, and the chap wandered over with my coffee - always have the same sort, made as soon as they see me wandering in - and he picked her up as if she was just any old emptied bottle he'd forotten to clear away! My protestations were kinda loud as I informed him she was a model! Naturally, I was under oblique client observation the entire time I sat there... Oh well, that's the life of the artist - always a suspect for not quite sure what.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 16, 2017, 11:42:38 am
How come these modern cars kill the mood? Or is it just me?

Seems a bit like the other day, i was driving with someone when Eurythmics' "it's all right" came on the radio and she mentioned that the music of that era was so different than todays. She couldn't explain it, she said, but she could feel it in her body.

I later realized that yes, todays music is more about "aggression" than it is about "happiness" with all of the rap/mob culture etc. So it would follow naturally that it just induces aggression in the body as well, if you suffer that particular kinesthetic synesthesia.

It's also with modern car design, totally aimed at a more aggressive disposition. Just look at the frontface of currentday bmw and audi. They used to call those ringlights "angel eyes" but they primarily look like very, very, angry hawkeyes today with the added led-strings.

Yeah, they have a negative effect on many parts of life.

I don't really see modern cars as aggressive: ever since the advent of the European Ford Sierra that was around at the start of the 80s, I have felt that they have become blancmange, shaped like upturned baths (especially in white) or jelly moulds. The most ridiculous one is the Porsche utility - quick brick if ever there was one.

There was one General genius: Harley Earl.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Earl

The Italians were - and probably still are - different: flawed geniuses. Beauty wedded to disastrous dependibility. Italian electronics? I can't remember the number of wet mornings my two Fiats and Alfa left me fuming, and having another cup of tea instead of going anywhere.

But yeah, it's difficult doing 40s/50s New York in Puerto Pollensa in 2017. Even if the folks could transpose quite well.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 16, 2017, 11:51:17 am
Indeed, and I'm surprised she looks so calm.

I'd just sat down, and was adjusting the various bits of paraphernalia that accompany me through my life, and the chap wandered over with my coffee - always have the same sort, made as soon as they see me wandering in - and he picked her up as if she was just any old emptied bottle he'd forotten to clear away! My protestations were kinda loud as I informed him she was a model! Naturally, I was under oblique client observation the entire time I sat there... Oh well, that's the life of the artist - always a suspect for not quite sure what.

;-)

Rob

Senility?

I soooooo imagine them whispering to eachother: just let him be, he's a retired old artsyfartsy type and his only companion is a white horse...
;-p
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 16, 2017, 01:01:59 pm
Senility?

I soooooo imagine them whispering to eachother: just let him be, he's a retired old artsyfartsy type and his only companion is a white horse...



I wonder if they'd know that the whisky brand ran ads and posters telling us all that you could take a white horse anywhere? Probably before their time...

This one is not the other one, as was said about a pipe.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 16, 2017, 02:28:04 pm
Sunset cruise basketball:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on December 16, 2017, 03:01:43 pm
Sunset cruise basketball:

Cool photo!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 16, 2017, 03:16:26 pm
Most of the popular pickup trucks in the US have aggressive, snarly looking front grills. Get out of my way! (Subtext: Please stay away…I'm afraid.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on December 16, 2017, 03:30:44 pm
Sunset cruise basketball:
Thats almost incredible. Wow.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 16, 2017, 03:52:25 pm
Cool photo!

+1 !

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 17, 2017, 08:52:00 am
Sunset cruise basketball:

Awesome shot, and so much nicer than a cruise missile.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 17, 2017, 09:06:22 am
Not winter in Colorado, but damp, cold and generally unpleasant. Unless it's a sunny day, when you forgive it its other face. Until nightfall. When you freeze again.
Rob

Another impeccably composed shot, Rob. Here, we just got our first "real" snowfall of the season (i.e. the snow has lasted more than 24 hours). Our rhododendrons' leaves are curled so tight they look positively spikey. Which means it's c-c-cold outside. Oh, well. Just add another layer (of clothes).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 17, 2017, 11:05:10 am
Another impeccably composed shot, Rob. Here, we just got our first "real" snowfall of the season (i.e. the snow has lasted more than 24 hours). Our rhododendrons' leaves are curled so tight they look positively spikey. Which means it's c-c-cold outside. Oh, well. Just add another layer (of clothes).

Thanks, John, it did sort of fall into place as most of these things tend to do. Perhaps it's what attracts us to something in the first instance. I suspect that our eyes are ahead of our minds, quite often.

By the way, I tried to enter your website just now, and on clicking to "read more", I get an Amazon ad that won't go away. This is on the iPad - may be different on the PC.

That's an amazing texture you have on that rock formation on the opening page - one could almost touch it!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 17, 2017, 02:09:52 pm
Laying low and walking tall... Havana, Cuba:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 17, 2017, 03:59:43 pm
Thanks, John, it did sort of fall into place as most of these things tend to do. Perhaps it's what attracts us to something in the first instance. I suspect that our eyes are ahead of our minds, quite often.

By the way, I tried to enter your website just now, and on clicking to "read more", I get an Amazon ad that won't go away. This is on the iPad - may be different on the PC.

That's an amazing texture you have on that rock formation on the opening page - one could almost touch it!

Rob

Ah, that website. I'm checking it out, and sometimes I get pushed somewhere else on the internet but, so far, not Amazon. Hitting the back arrow repeatedly gets me back to the home page and then everything works as normal for that session. All the Wordpress security doohickeys I installed think there's nothing wrong. I have a query into the web host, but haven't heard back. Thank God I don't depend on it for revenue. Still, I need to clear that up. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 17, 2017, 07:42:10 pm
Havana's pastel decay:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 17, 2017, 11:37:38 pm
Havana's pastel decay:

Now here's a place I'd like to visit. Not sure if I want to go now…or wait to see what it starts turning into post-Fidel, then go.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 18, 2017, 07:02:14 am
Now here's a place I'd like to visit. Not sure if I want to go now…or wait to see what it starts turning into post-Fidel, then go.

-Dave-

I'd wait until it joins the European Community and gets rebuilt...

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 18, 2017, 10:02:40 am
Now here's a place I'd like to visit. Not sure if I want to go now…or wait to see what it starts turning into post-Fidel, then go.

-Dave-

I've never been to Cuba, but it's been a favourite destination for Canadians for decades. And I've seen the same (basic) photographs from numerous photographers, now – a bit like Iceland and certain areas of the American southwest. Photo workshops all go to the same locations. Still, there must be lots of opportunity. Slobodan's images prove that – kudos to him for seeing something different.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: degrub on December 18, 2017, 10:51:34 am
Go before the Americans (i'm one) flood back in with a change in administration and it becomes just another commercial resort. It's appears to be not as impoverished and run down as what i experienced in  East Germany  back in the '80s from what my friends can tell me.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on December 18, 2017, 11:44:52 am
Lyon had its first snow last night, and the 5cm threw the city into complete chaos as it does each time. No salt on the roads so the snow had packed down to ice by the time I put the knobby tyres on the bicycle and set off to work. I wasn't stylish but I stayed upright.

Sunday night, it was another Cynthia & Damien performance... they have now evolved from black paint to green paint to red lipstick, with added scissors. This time on a staircase in the foyer of  theatre, during intermission of a festival of French songs...

The photo is effectively monochrome: red at +30% saturation, orange at -30% and the rest at -100%. Almost all the light was coming from a tungsten spot over my left shoulder, but qhite a bit reflected back from the wall behind.

It's unfortunate that she made her face make-up darker than the rest of her body... but oh well. There are another 150 photos I need to pick through, last night I only picked out 5 and then crashed into my bed.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 18, 2017, 02:34:39 pm
Lyon had its first snow last night, and the 5cm threw the city into complete chaos as it does each time. No salt on the roads so the snow had packed down to ice by the time I put the knobby tyres on the bicycle and set off to work. I wasn't stylish but I stayed upright.

Sunday night, it was another Cynthia & Damien performance... they have now evolved from black paint to green paint to red lipstick, with added scissors. This time on a staircase in the foyer of  theatre, during intermission of a festival of French songs...

The photo is effectively monochrome: red at +30% saturation, orange at -30% and the rest at -100%. Almost all the light was coming from a tungsten spot over my left shoulder, but qhite a bit reflected back from the wall behind.

It's unfortunate that she made her face make-up darker than the rest of her body... but oh well. There are another 150 photos I need to pick through, last night I only picked out 5 and then crashed into my bed.


Covered in paint?

Rob

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on December 18, 2017, 04:10:02 pm
Nah, olive oil... but that's another story :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 18, 2017, 05:06:14 pm
Nah, olive oil... but that's another story :)

Well lubricated, then?

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 18, 2017, 07:58:46 pm
As I said yesterday, we got our first "real" snowfall of the season recently. Unfortunately, the wind blew it out of the trees fairly quickly, so the scenes along the walking trail weren't very special. But I have to walk through town to get to the trail, and caught some sun and shadows at a local park.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 19, 2017, 03:33:50 pm
As I said yesterday, we got our first "real" snowfall of the season recently. Unfortunately, the wind blew it out of the trees fairly quickly, so the scenes along the walking trail weren't very special. But I have to walk through town to get to the trail, and caught some sun and shadows at a local park.

The best is often right under our nose...

Colour one for me.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 20, 2017, 02:36:06 pm
She doesn't believe it either, but that's what it says... makes you wonder.

Rob

She came in through the bathroom window
Protected by a silver spoon...
And though she tried her best to help me
She could steal but she could not rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on December 20, 2017, 02:37:45 pm
Ice in the rock cut.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 20, 2017, 02:55:21 pm
John, that's like an X-Ray of my feet, complete with ice.

Funny how badly one feels the cold out here in the Med; it isn't really that cold, statistically speaking, but it certainly is when you bring in dampness and wind chill and non-existent building insulation.

;-(

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 20, 2017, 02:58:13 pm
She came in through the bathroom window
Protected by a silver spoon...
And though she tried her best to help me
She could steal but she could not rob

Ah, those Beatles...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on December 20, 2017, 09:44:24 pm
John, that's like an X-Ray of my feet, complete with ice.

Funny how badly one feels the cold out here in the Med; it isn't really that cold, statistically speaking, but it certainly is when you bring in dampness and wind chill and non-existent building insulation.

;-(

Rob
It looks grisly to me. Like something about to rise and break free from its icy surroundings.

So I must lighten the mood and introduce my playful frog.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Hilton-Falls/i-K89t28q/0/0e95f1a7/M/JMRO5272%20frog1000-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 21, 2017, 09:40:04 am
These days the stuff all comes from the same factory, but waaaaaaay back in university this was considered sacrilege...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 21, 2017, 05:03:35 pm
When I reached drinking age (1978) for a time there was a store in my neighborhood that sold bottled Heineken imported "direct from Amsterdam," or so they claimed. It was certainly different than the domestically brewed version we could also get, though I no longer remember if I thought it was better.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on December 21, 2017, 06:06:55 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on December 22, 2017, 04:06:08 am

I wonder if they'd know that the whisky brand ran ads and posters telling us all that you could take a white horse anywhere?
Rob

True, you can take a white horse anywhere...but that never guaranteed he'll be served!!

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 22, 2017, 04:24:09 am
True, you can take a white horse anywhere...but that never guaranteed he'll be served!!

Peter


He would be if he offered to buy a round for the whole bar, though: the other customers would insist.

On the other hand, if he were a she, who knows how many would try to serve.

Strange old world...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on December 22, 2017, 04:40:18 am

He would be if he offered to buy a round for the whole bar, though: the other customers would insist.

On the other hand, if he were a she, who knows how many would try to serve.

Strange old world...

The new world is strange and getting stranger by the nanosecond...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on December 22, 2017, 05:29:12 am
I couldn't resist re-configuring one of the Cynthia & Damien & Red Lipstick photos in B&W...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 22, 2017, 07:15:50 am
I think it works very well this way; she really, really gets into it, doesn't she? Would enjoy trying a few shots with her - the face promises many expressions. And she appears devoid of shyness. Which is cool.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 22, 2017, 08:45:41 am
I think it works very well this way; she really, really gets into it, doesn't she? Would enjoy trying a few shots with her - the face promises many expressions. And she appears devoid of shyness. Which is cool.

Rob
+1.

This is a fine series, Graham.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on December 22, 2017, 01:31:12 pm
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3212_orig.jpg)

I'm afraid this friend isn't from Italy... kinda shows in the expression.

;-)

Rob
I can see that Ms Coke is a very supportive type. Nice...

Peter
 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 22, 2017, 04:00:38 pm
I can see that Ms Coke is a very supportive type. Nice...

Peter
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on December 23, 2017, 05:33:06 am
………
I'm afraid this friend isn't from Italy... kinda shows in the expression.

;-)

Rob

Simply superb!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on December 23, 2017, 08:21:43 am
Simply superb!

What 'e said.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on December 23, 2017, 08:23:59 am
Another one...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on December 23, 2017, 08:29:48 am
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3212_orig.jpg)

I'm afraid this friend isn't from Italy... kinda shows in the expression.

;-)

Rob


Why not? Pulcinella can be very melancholic

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulcinella#/media/File:Eduardo_e_Pulcinella.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/d2/78/54d27834cb956163271b8170b8e91080.jpg
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 23, 2017, 09:04:13 am

Why not? Pulcinella can be very melancholic

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulcinella#/media/File:Eduardo_e_Pulcinella.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/d2/78/54d27834cb956163271b8170b8e91080.jpg

In this case, I know for a fact: this bird is English. She was a gift to my step-father from Pilkington Glass, a company with which he had been associated in his career...

Sorry, but unlike Sophia, not a trace of pasta in this one's boobs!

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 23, 2017, 09:19:16 am
To those of you who liked the shot, thank you very much!

In a way, it was a mistake: the light was typical Mallorcan winter, bright between clouds, just as landscape shooters have to contend with - or perhaps pray for? - and I thought I was on a 35mm optic which would have been bad enough, because by choice I'd have gone to the 105mm, but once I started I realised the damned thing was my 24mm, but I didn't want to miss the chance by digging out the boxes and changing lenses around. Lucky mistake, then!

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on December 23, 2017, 01:50:03 pm
To those of you who liked the shot, thank you very much!

In a way, it was a mistake: the light was typical Mallorcan winter, bright between clouds, just as landscape shooters have to contend with - or perhaps pray for? - and I thought I was on a 35mm optic which would have been bad enough, because by choice I'd have gone to the 105mm, but once I started I realised the damned thing was my 24mm, but I didn't want to miss the chance by digging out the boxes and changing lenses around. Lucky mistake, then!

:-)

Rob
I find often things that are not planned are great surprises...in my experience, however, not tax preparation.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 23, 2017, 02:30:35 pm
I find often things that are not planned are great surprises...in my experience, however, not tax preparation.

Peter

Yes, it's the only way to fly. Bailey said in an interview that if he was going to plan ahead, then he'd get somebody else to make the shot. I see what he meant. Pleasant surprises are what I think keeps us all doing this. The day it becomes mechanical is the day we have to lose interest or become mere machines.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 23, 2017, 04:22:12 pm
I agree completely.
Without surprises there'd be nothing to shoot (except maybe with a gun.)

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on December 23, 2017, 07:46:03 pm
In this case, I know for a fact: this bird is English. She was a gift to my step-father from Pilkington Glass, a company with which he had been associated in his career...

Sorry, but unlike Sophia, not a trace of pasta in this one's boobs!

:-)

Rob


The Puffin in italian  is called "Pulcinella di mare..."
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Bruce Cox on December 24, 2017, 09:36:01 am
In the park yesterday.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 24, 2017, 10:08:10 pm
My pal Susan snapped this pic, and did the main processing in Affinity Photo too, just before I attempted some after-dinner guitar noodling. She likes jazzy stuff so as usual I bluffed as best I could: lotsa maj7 chords & such.  ;D  The guitar is an Ibanez AS50, a model made for a short time in the early 1980s. Amazing Maxon "Super 58" pickups, made only during the same time. Both guitar and pickups are prized by in-the-know jazzers. I got this one from such a fellow…he had two of 'em and let me pick the one I liked best.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 25, 2017, 03:58:05 pm
My pal Susan snapped this pic, and did the main processing in Affinity Photo too, just before I attempted some after-dinner guitar noodling. She likes jazzy stuff so as usual I bluffed as best I could: lotsa maj7 chords & such.  ;D  The guitar is an Ibanez AS50, a model made for a short time in the early 1980s. Amazing Maxon "Super 58" pickups, made only during the same time. Both guitar and pickups are prized by in-the-know jazzers. I got this one from such a fellow…he had two of 'em and let me pick the one I liked best.

-Dave-


Does she love you, really love you
Is she just stringin' you along...
Is the magic in the dinner 
Or is it only in that song?

Some unexpected strangeness for Christmas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETf1zrKk5W0

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 25, 2017, 04:09:00 pm
Cheer up, Ms.Coke. Rob will never abandon you.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on December 25, 2017, 04:46:07 pm
Christmas seems to really cheer my brittle little friend no end!
;-)

Very confrontational, for Christmas, that is...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 25, 2017, 05:23:33 pm
Very confrontational, for Christmas, that is...

Peter

Not really, Peter, she never listens to a thing I say and never, never looks at the Internet!

On the other hand, she gets really pissed off when I split infinitives, just as I did when I posted her image; no knowing what she'd do if she felt associated with something like that!

Eric, you know me very well; of course I can't abandon her - well, not right now, at any rate.

Regarding my other little friend, the one with four legs: I think we have been spied upon, because when I wandered down the road to feed her her carrots today, I realised somebody had put a second wire above the original electrical one, and she wouldn't reach over to take the things from my palm. I thought that a bit harsh - we have been very well-behaved and no liberties taken either way. But there you are - I must respect her boss's wishes and throw the things into the field instead of doing it the friendly way.

So much for the New Year - foiled already!

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on December 26, 2017, 04:59:20 am
Christmas seems to really cheer my brittle little friend no end!

;-)


Nice one, Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on December 26, 2017, 05:00:46 am
Christmas Eve experiment
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 26, 2017, 08:56:35 am
Christmas Eve experiment
Cool!
Or should I say: Cool and Warm.
I like it.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 26, 2017, 10:32:16 am
Follows me everywhere...

Checkmate?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 26, 2017, 10:40:38 am
Checkmate?

Good one!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 26, 2017, 03:30:24 pm

Does she love you, really love you
Is she just stringin' you along...
Is the magic in the dinner 
Or is it only in that song?

Some unexpected strangeness for Christmas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETf1zrKk5W0

When it comes to the Bardot era Susan prefers Scandinavians: Anita Ekberg, Bibi Andersson and so on. Might be a subconscious ancestry bias thing as she claims not to care a bit about where her grandparents were born.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 27, 2017, 04:06:51 am
Aha! Norwegian Wood!?

Regarding famous women of the era: I was surprised to see BB could actually sing a song! I had always imagined her to be far too busy doing other things.

Carla Bruni also sings and accompanies herself on guitar; either of them, in their time, singing me a song of my choosing could have been more than pleasant, especially had I a camera to hand. Anything for my art!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7K8twyeZA

Something completely different, and my favourite version of this number:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CUKmCfm1s

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on December 27, 2017, 11:52:11 am
Cellphone pano. When I try to get the same thing from the "regular" camera shots I have multiple stitching errors (in LR and Photoshop), go figure.

PS. I think the quality on this one is probably good enough for a pano print 10-13" high
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 27, 2017, 02:39:33 pm
That 'Pad again:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 27, 2017, 03:28:11 pm
Aha! Norwegian Wood!?

Susan does get the uniquely British meaning of fire.  ;)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 27, 2017, 03:36:25 pm
I tried a handful of stitched panos, mostly with my iPhone, on my recent holiday but none of 'em really panned out. (Sorry…) This one was with my little Panasonic GX8 and an Olympus 12/2 lens, processed in Affinity Photo. The software did its job very well.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on December 28, 2017, 09:26:42 am
The law of two elevenths (uncropped).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on December 28, 2017, 09:35:20 am

Some unexpected strangeness for Christmas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETf1zrKk5W0


Possibly a result of drinking tea with Serge.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on December 28, 2017, 10:02:40 am
The law of two elevenths (uncropped).

Nicely done. Very "less-is-more", including the toning. Would fit the minimalism thread as well.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 28, 2017, 10:28:23 am
Possibly a result of drinking tea with Serge.

Yes, it might explain the bout of gawkish, self-conscious twisting, but I often wonder what sort of blend Serge used to brew; he certainly drank a lot of it with many lovely ladies. I think Jeanloup also had a pot or two with BB but can't remember if that's true or just personal (mine) pangs of envy. Once you see one of those tea-meisters you get to sense them everywhere!

I just bought some more tea this afternoon, but as it's just bags, I don't suppose the mojo works - what can one expect, taking the lazy route?

Perhaps it's like photography: requires incentive. They used to sing: David Bailey takes tea twice daily. Of course, as one can imagine, he was up to his elbows in incentive.

;-(

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 28, 2017, 08:48:02 pm
Got my fav 90mm lens back today from a CLA + new 6-bit coded mount, and after taking a pass on some outdoor test snapping (too cold for December!) I settled for a guitar portrait. Use what you've got comfortably at hand… This is an early '70s Guild, one of my long-time workhorses. Lens and cameras are now in proper sync too.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on December 28, 2017, 08:50:13 pm
The law of two elevenths (uncropped).
Keen eye there, Mr Graham.

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 29, 2017, 05:47:50 am
Got my fav 90mm lens back today from a CLA + new 6-bit coded mount, and after taking a pass on some outdoor test snapping (too cold for December!) I settled for a guitar portrait. Use what you've got comfortably at hand… This is an early '70s Guild, one of my long-time workhorses. Lens and cameras are now in proper sync too.

-Dave-

Thanks - makes me think of this, quite suitable for the time of year (I like the chair shot better than the Keeler one):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A_1zZ8Xx64

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on December 29, 2017, 08:32:34 am
I have made peace with the fact that I can't "see" compositions for people/ model photography, every time I pick up a camera to do "serious" or considered attempts with the Blonde it ends up in nothing. But the cellphone is always handy for when walking into a composition like when I saw this as I walked past her in a doorway.


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 29, 2017, 10:07:38 am
Seeing the snowy news about Glasgow today made me wonder if once-regular poster, stamper, has been out there making Leiteresque shots of red brollies in the snow... I would have braved the cold and even wet feet to do that! I think.

Turns out we had a wildfire a couple of nights ago, just a short distance from home; neither heard nor saw a damned thing! Magnum needs me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJPK5ZiJsS0

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on December 29, 2017, 01:32:48 pm
wet

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 29, 2017, 03:00:26 pm
wet


Nice one! Wish I could find city lights again. This time, I'd think of using them, not shutting the door on them and putting my feet up. Not that I put my feet up on anything: hated people who put them up on tables or other chairs. Anyway, my wife would have wordlessly handed man a duster and some polish, and left the room.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 29, 2017, 05:05:23 pm
I have made peace with the fact that I can't "see" compositions for people/ model photography, every time I pick up a camera to do "serious" or considered attempts with the Blonde it ends up in nothing. But the cellphone is always handy for when walking into a composition like when I saw this as I walked past her in a doorway.
That shot tempts me to get a cell phone.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on December 29, 2017, 10:01:05 pm
~not even cold dampens the spirits this evening...a small tip of cognac seals the deal~ahh, onions, fond de boeuf, and gruyere~ let it blow, let it blow, let it blow...😋
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 29, 2017, 10:23:07 pm
~not even cold dampens the spirits this evening...a small tip of cognac seals the deal~ahh, onions, fond de boeuf, and gruyere~ let it blow, let it blow, let it blow...😋
Yum!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on December 29, 2017, 11:39:54 pm
Yum!
So here I am looking at the Patricia's food once again. Eric likes it for sure. So warm and inviting on these cold bleak wintery days. But today was great. Only -7 celsius, the sun wrestling with the clouds produced a fine bright, soft wintry day. Wish I could have gone out. I have decided to include one warm image and one "blue" image. It was literally blue all over, so I decided to correct only one half, leave it abstract, with no features in the white.

JR

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Caledon-Badlands-20142015/i-nGMBTkj/0/afa9992b/M/Jan%204-%202014%20Badlands-%20Bellfountain%20013%20copy1000-M.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Caledon-Badlands-20142015/i-mqPw8VX/0/27dcd1f3/M/Jan%204-%202014%20Badlands-%20Bellfountain%20038%20copycrop-1000-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on December 30, 2017, 12:28:10 am
~not even cold dampens the spirits this evening...a small tip of cognac seals the deal~ahh, onions, fond de boeuf, and gruyere~ let it blow, let it blow, let it blow...😋

I'll have a shot of tequila with my helping, please.  :D  Yum fer sher!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on December 30, 2017, 04:05:13 am

Nice one! Wish I could find city lights again.
Rob
Thank you. Funny thing is, after more than 15 years here, I lost the eye for many "city things" a bit, eventually. You know, if something stops to be new it's hard to maintain a fresh look or even get attracted to something that could be worth it. Sometimes I find myself thinking "what the heck are they shooting there" when I pass by a group of tourists obviously excited about something I actually don't "see" anymore ... Still don't have a trick to bypass this behavior ...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on December 30, 2017, 07:06:27 am
Thank you. Funny thing is, after more than 15 years here, I lost the eye for many "city things" a bit, eventually. You know, if something stops to be new it's hard to maintain a fresh look or even get attracted to something that could be worth it. Sometimes I find myself thinking "what the heck are they shooting there" when I pass by a group of tourists obviously excited about something I actually don't "see" anymore ... Still don't have a trick to bypass this behavior ...

Despite what clients used to think, travelling to new locations was not all about getting one's jollies, but about getting enthusiasm worked right up to 11 so that you could use what you had researched to the maximum.

Your city ennui is exactly what 37 years of Mallorca has left me nursing: I just can't see it anymore. I know that's crazy, because for a while it was magical for me - though I also know a lot of the magic was imaginary, that it was newness trumping reality. But then it represented a lot more than living on location, as it were, it was also a paradise for two people who suddenly found the time to be together 24/24/365+ instead of just meeting to eat, watch some tv, deal with the two kids and go to bed. That new life was never going to work the wrong way.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on December 30, 2017, 07:45:07 am
(abstract, with no features in the white.)
John,
This deserves a home of its own! Pool of chromatic grey on a Chinese inkstone.
So much is flooding my mind with this. Headed off island to farmers market for the weeks greens. To be 25 negative in the North Woods tonight, negative 5-20 for the rest of us...I wake each morning thankful to be surrounded by the sea, but the flows from the pole~well I'm still alive for the experience... More on that second of your two images on return... Not to covet is how I try to live but this one dangles temptation~
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on December 31, 2017, 01:47:14 pm
John~

I am exerting all my efforts from this point forward in my reply not to become longwinded or boring with "insights". Yet, this one has taken hold, your Chinese inkstone debarkation.
I arrive at this point after many dream charged nights triggered by a work going through a second self editing... the place I go amid wake sleep deserts me at the precipice of a leap into a boundless "space", no waypoints, ceilings, walls, height, perceivable depth. Until at once again fully awake I am unable to participate in the decisions.

Some time ago I suggested that Lula friends might consider a trip to the Guggenheim or CA for an exhibit of the studies in Light by James Turrell. I was able to see that two of my grandchildren made it to Guggenheim on one of my visits. At the time I really did want to see through their eyes and perception what for them acquired reality. I took care not to mar them with any pre-information or opinion...just, "it might be fun to stop in here to see what's happening " in between the two shows with which  I had lured them.

The results were wildly satisfying as I watched notion upon notion obliterated with new realities. (as in watching as one found himself walking THROUGH what he had determined to be a wall which he had been offered the opportunity to "touch" for "temperature".)

How lucky am I to share their eyes and brain workings! Because the work that had been coming together then is now sorted across an upper floor, adjusted at no particular times during the day and night my dreams have become exceptionally vivid with this vast destination to which I travel in semi sleep/wake.

Your image snapped me to attention with an almost mystical secret jolt. I spread it large across a sun blinding white wall at the end of my studio...it became more so. All this coupled with the murmuring voice of an Indian climber being dragged frozen down Everest a year after his death there. (My mother-in-law too has been repeating to me, "don't let them kill me, I'm not dead yet", though I was there in her final days).

I have very little say about the workings within this skull, truth be known, most seem to take place in a vast swirl out of its bounds.

What I am trying to say here John, is that you have something quite amazing here. Don't allow it to go missing. Just off in the upper right quadrant is a passage to unknown, yet to be experienced, but holding an exceptional waiting light~

Perhaps I should apologize, but just can not. Thank you for sharing it. Lumine!!

(edited for punctuation)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 01, 2018, 03:47:53 am
~nearer the sun.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 01, 2018, 09:08:27 am
Not much warmth from that sun ... yet.
But wait a few months.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 01, 2018, 03:38:06 pm
That snap was actually moonrise last night through the double glass doors, couldn't make myself brave the trip away from fire (coincidently reflected in the glass) . I watched the temp move from -4 at 5am down the ramp to -8 at 6am, then curiously a steady climb back up afterward. By late breakfast a toasty 3. There was enugh heat remaining in the chimney (a very massive and tall one) surprisingly that the last coals were coddled in the ash bed allowing the fire to pop right back to going about its wonderful Rumford back radiance. Sweetness!

aside, source EarthSky:



Tonight – January 2, 2018 – we reach Earth’s closest point to the sun for this entire year at 11:35 p.m. CST (central U.S.). It’ll be the morning of January 3 for Europe and Africa … later in the day January 3 for the rest of the world (January 3 at 5:35 UTC; translate to your time zone). Astronomers call this special point in our orbit perihelion, from the Greek roots peri meaning near and helios meaning sun.

Source: Fred Espenak’s Earth at perihelion and aphelion, 2001 to 2100

On January 3, 2018, Earth at its closest point swings to within 91,401,983 miles (147,097,233 km) of the sun. That’s in contrast to six months from now, when the Earth reaches aphelion – its most distant point – on July 6, 2018. Then we’ll be 94,507,803 miles (152,095,566 km) from the sun.

In other words, Earth is about 3 million miles (5 million km) closer to the sun in early January than it is in early July. That’s always the case. Earth is closest to the sun every year in early January, when it’s winter for the Northern Hemisphere.

We’re farthest away from the sun in early July, during our Northern Hemisphere summer
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 01, 2018, 05:14:57 pm
In other words, Earth is about 3 million miles (5 million km) closer to the sun in early January than it is in early July. That’s always the case. Earth is closest to the sun every year in early January, when it’s winter for the Northern Hemisphere.

We’re farthest away from the sun in early July, during our Northern Hemisphere summer

This is in part why winters in the Antarctic tend to be colder than in the Arctic.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 02, 2018, 04:58:06 am
This is in part why winters in the Antarctic tend to be colder than in the Arctic.

-Dave-

Blame the bears or the penguins, or both!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 02, 2018, 04:32:19 pm
Not Cherbourg. No umbrellas.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 04, 2018, 11:43:56 am
Found an old, real contact sheet amongst some digital test prints that I was consigning to the tender mercies of the rubbish collectors. Whenever I find myself doing these household chores I get images of cash machines behind my eyes; I'm all for printless photography! Anyway, I copìed the sheet and amused myself for a little while, which is better than cutting my toenails, which I did the other day.

It was quite a difficult stretch, trying to cut; almost gave myself a hernia when I suddenly remembered that there was a time I could put my ankle behind my head.

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3218_orig.jpg)

For the technically minded: Nikkor 3.5/135 on a Nikon F or F2 with FP3 or FP4 - can't remember when they changed, and D76 1+1.

;-(

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 05, 2018, 04:39:48 pm
Part of my morning routine involves a cup of coffee and a playing session with this gizmo (attached pic). Especially useful for limbering up fingers in cold weather. I dial up a new sound every handful of mornings and then often tweak it over the following days before starting over again. No presets…pure WYSIWYG. The pic is a heavily-cropped trial run at riffing on a Moog promo I saw online. Haven't gotten around to a "proper" version yet (wider lens at closer range).

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 05, 2018, 04:44:20 pm
Found an old, real contact sheet amongst some digital test prints that I was consigning to the tender mercies of the rubbish collectors.

Last evening I tried convincing one of my neighbor's kids to pose with a water pistol and a menacing grimace, but she wasn't having it.   :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on January 05, 2018, 05:34:16 pm
Part of my morning routine involves a cup of coffee and a playing session with this gizmo (attached pic). Especially useful for limbering up fingers in cold weather. I dial up a new sound every handful of mornings and then often tweak it over the following days before starting over again. No presets…pure WYSIWYG. The pic is a heavily-cropped trial run at riffing on a Moog promo I saw online. Haven't gotten around to a "proper" version yet (wider lens at closer range).

-Dave-

Soooo much better than a guitar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTUM8gFyLqo
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on January 05, 2018, 07:45:30 pm
Soooo much better than a guitar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTUM8gFyLqo

Not long before Kingsley's famous pop Moog tune was Wendy Carlos (Switched On Bach) and Dick Hyman, of course. I still remember the first time I heard The Minotaur (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuv5gNRVbQ). For most of my generation, however, it was Emerson, Lake and Palmer who really brought the sound to the airwaves in a big way. I think "Lucky Man" was released as a single in 1970 and re-released in '73.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 06, 2018, 04:23:15 am
Last evening I tried convincing one of my neighbor's kids to pose with a water pistol and a menacing grimace, but she wasn't having it.   :D

-Dave-

Buy her a Klein book and get her to bring along a friend...

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Bruce Cox on January 06, 2018, 09:52:39 am
That's framing.

That's it's here and it's gone.

That's a flat mountain.

Bruce
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 06, 2018, 01:49:45 pm
La jongleuse... Jozette Margarette Seinecke-Bock.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 06, 2018, 04:06:08 pm
Soooo much better than a guitar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTUM8gFyLqo

Hah, hadn't heard Popcorn in ages.  :)  Didn't even know it had been covered so much.

The Emerson, Lake & Palmer song that stuck in my ear as a teenager was From The Beginning. Also features a catchy Moog solo at the end.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 06, 2018, 11:06:02 pm
La jongleuse... Jozette Margarette Seinecke-Bock.

Love those shoes and leggings (or socks). Circus performer style.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Riaan van Wyk on January 07, 2018, 04:07:14 am
Another attempt.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 07, 2018, 04:48:42 am
That's framing.

That's it's here and it's gone.

That's a flat mountain.

Bruce

Thanks, Bruce; I sometimes try to reduce things to the minimum, even within the overall area of interest.

To revert to another thread about pre-sensing the shot: black/white seems to lend itself to that better than colour if only because shadow can look more convincing as black than as some suggested, coloured tone of it does. Or at least, so I find. When you can decide on what it is that really attracts your eye, then it isn't rocket science to figure out a framing to let you concentrate on that, knowing you can change the rest of the image later on by subjugating it to shadow or lack of focus via wide apertures.

Photography is such a powerful tool for expression, not just of self, but of observations. Some will argue it's the same thing, but I'm not so sure.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 07, 2018, 05:14:46 am
Circus performer style.


Well, she is, so...

Interesting insight into the "joys" of the street performer: between Christmas and New Year, she was shut down by 3 Municipal Police... the lowest rung of the police hierarchy. They walked straight past a bunch of male performers and told her if she didn't turn off the music, she'd be arrested.

This despite having an authorisation from city hall, whose rep called the police to confirm. The police replied that when it came to "Public Order" they were free to make their own judgement. A judgement that can presumably be modified by slipping a few notes into the right hands... :(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 07, 2018, 06:17:59 am
Well, she is, so...

Interesting insight into the "joys" of the street performer: between Christmas and New Year, she was shut down by 3 Municipal Police... the lowest rung of the police hierarchy. They walked straight past a bunch of male performers and told her if she didn't turn off the music, she'd be arrested.

This despite having an authorisation from city hall, whose rep called the police to confirm. The police replied that when it came to "Public Order" they were free to make their own judgement. A judgement that can presumably be modified by slipping a few notes into the right hands... :(


There's an ongoing case in Palma where a nightclub owner is on trial for using the police to do his heavy lifting... in essence, the tale is that in exchange for freebies at his clubs - not money! - they leaned on other clubs so hard and for so long, with drug raids etc. that the man in question would then make them an offer to buy that they could not, financially, refuse. It also explained why residents' complaints about club noise at night were ignored, depsite the reality of laws controlling such polution. Great world in which we live.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 07, 2018, 08:14:39 am
Snooping into another window the other day:
Rob
Rob,

Bittersweet memories...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 07, 2018, 09:03:07 am
Rob,

Bittersweet memories...

Peter

Exactly! I remember that when I was a kid there were several similar bits of luggage in the loft; when I was sent off to boarding school I was accompanied by one of those trunks made of wooden ribs and stiff, reddish/brown canvas (?) sections and brass corners that survived repeated trips on Indian trains and even made it to Britain where, for a while, it occupied space in my own loft... Not for flying, but very good for most other ways of transport except the car! I think Norman Parkinson used one in some pictures, as he would, wouldn't he? A couple of nights ago I rewatched the Beeb video they made after his death; as he said, he was the guv'nor.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on January 07, 2018, 03:34:52 pm
Into the light
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 07, 2018, 06:55:05 pm
"Learn Chinese"

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on January 07, 2018, 10:05:37 pm
.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 08, 2018, 05:52:55 am
A couple of chaps in the street...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 08, 2018, 10:31:19 am
Departure...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Bruce Cox on January 08, 2018, 10:52:07 am
Departure...

Peter

I suggest the longer title:  Departure in Light from Three Windows

Your scene reminds me of...

Bruce
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 08, 2018, 12:40:59 pm
Departure...

Peter

Like the atmosphere and balance of emotions!

David Hamilton would have given you his vote too...

:-;
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Richowens on January 09, 2018, 12:29:19 am
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4B7xGdW/0/ddc56c24/L/i-4B7xGdW-L.jpg)

 Another face, another time
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 09, 2018, 08:35:54 am
A coffee (or three)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 09, 2018, 12:41:44 pm
75 minuets...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on January 09, 2018, 12:52:29 pm
Hi Peter, Looks as if I'm looking out of a bomb bay from about 35,000 feet.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 10, 2018, 04:17:12 am
You're doing this on purpose

Of course.

Here's a recent shot of she whose knees you appreciated...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2018, 05:07:25 am
Enigmatic or ambiguous? Or both?

At thumbnail size, I mistook that side-lit thumb for something quite else. Is that a tap I see before me, denoting the room of baths - or perhaps of a kitcken, or be it the head of a little tripod? And if so, is it a case of Alice aforethought or of seizing the moment? Is that the hand of man or a little self-help? That's what photography should be about: anything but the obvious! And the light was rather helpful too. France agrees with you.

And regarding the women in black; Catherine Deneuve, at 74 (give or take!) has just said that it all smacks of puritanism and hatred of men... now that's bravery, flying in the face of the sisters! But then, she earned her eff-off money decades ago.

IMO, it's neither: I think that it's simply grandstanding, and latching on to something that might garner more likes in the social media that rules these lives. It will play very well with all the many dispossesed, those no-chancers who litter the malls and buy tickets to suspension, and it might even translate into more publicity (which it has) and possibly a better base from which their agents to negotiate fees. Either way, most women know they look better in black, and it does prevent some of the total fashion disasters that such festivals sponsor.

As I have mentioned before, I have never known a female who didn't know the power of her own mind and her place within her society. There is a huge difference between people who have that/an ellusive something that everybody wants a piece of, and those people who have absolutely nothing anyone wants. It is something that hits both the sexes (all of them, if I must be seen to be inclusive) and if anything, the battle for supremacy is within the sexes, not between (or amongst) them. The other battles have always been fought and always will; right until the day when gender ceases to mean anything and the species stops recreating itself. Survival and achievement of goals depends upon pragmatism, and the acceptance of human nature and our willingness or otherwise to live within the group. It's about the heat in the kitchen. If we don't like it, that hermitage awaits. Or the barroom and the jukebox (love those blue notes!) and the honky tonk angels.

Good grief! It's eleven o'clock and I haven't even given a thought to the carrots!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 10, 2018, 07:20:43 am
It's been some time since Catherine D was a young woman walking unescorted across the public places of a large French city: i've seen the harassment happen in front of me, and it's appalling:
"Oh, you're so beautiful, can I have your phone number?"
"Oh well F-off then, slut".

With a slap to the face of the woman as well, in one recently recorded case.

I've seen screen shots of e-discussions between model friends and supposed photographers... that basically follow the same lines.
My jaundiced opinion is that as the rich-poor gap gets bigger, there is a more "anything goes" attitude to gaining success, however that's defined. It applies equally to raising animals as though they are machines, or ripping off everyone you deal with, or pouring alcohol into young models to disinhibit them, or feeding drugs to desperately ambitious young athletes.

It's not an issue for someone like Kate Moss, who has the money and the power and can happily decide to flash whatever bits of her body she cares... it's the young ones who aren't at peace with themselves and who are probably too insecure to be in the business, but are desperate to succeed because of the marketing of the dream. It's certainly a fault on both sides, but I'd like to think a 50 yo photographer has a certain responsibility of care toward 20 yo models... regardless of gender.

Then you see the bitterness Marie Helvin seems to still harbour for Bailey... human jealousy etc etc. Bof, as they say around here.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 10, 2018, 07:32:28 am
Hi Peter, Looks as if I'm looking out of a bomb bay from about 35,000 feet.

Hi Russ,

Maybe, I was......just kidding. Direct Sunlight pouring in and a cool blue sky reflection through a south facing window.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on January 10, 2018, 08:06:17 am
It's an interesting image no matter how you approach it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2018, 09:18:24 am
It's been some time since Catherine D was a young woman walking unescorted across the public places of a large French city: i've seen the harassment happen in front of me, and it's appalling:
"Oh, you're so beautiful, can I have your phone number?"
"Oh well F-off then, slut".

With a slap to the face of the woman as well, in one recently recorded case.

I've seen screen shots of e-discussions between model friends and supposed photographers... that basically follow the same lines.
My jaundiced opinion is that as the rich-poor gap gets bigger, there is a more "anything goes" attitude to gaining success, however that's defined. It applies equally to raising animals as though they are machines, or ripping off everyone you deal with, or pouring alcohol into young models to disinhibit them, or feeding drugs to desperately ambitious young athletes.

It's not an issue for someone like Kate Moss, who has the money and the power and can happily decide to flash whatever bits of her body she cares... it's the young ones who aren't at peace with themselves and who are probably too insecure to be in the business, but are desperate to succeed because of the marketing of the dream. It's certainly a fault on both sides, but I'd like to think a 50 yo photographer has a certain responsibility of care toward 20 yo models... regardless of gender.

Then you see the bitterness Marie Helvin seems to still harbour for Bailey... human jealousy etc etc. Bof, as they say around here.

Bof! indeed, as my daughter has been wont to say ever after her uni year in France! I often wondered where that came from, as it wasn't all that prevalent in Scotland at the time; probably still isn't, but I can't say.

But yes, your example of the lone woman in the city (probably even more at risk in the sticks!) isn't something of which to be proud, but it's hardly anything new. The difference seems to be that where nobody thought much of it, or even expected it to be different, the zeitgeist has suddenly made it a falsely new issue, and thus the young who are exposed to it - it nearly always is the young, because it is all about obvious sexual attraction (though it is now fashionable to think of it as much in terms of power, for goodness sake!) think it is a new deal, and that by shouting out loud things will change. They will not. Men change no more than do women; only socially acceptable habits appear to change, but underneath the public face, life continues as ever. It has to, or it finishes.

Harking back to the 50s, I was no more likely to walk around the less salubrious areas of Glasgow than I would be today; perhaps the old razors have gone, but with the popular craze for bikes, I'm sure the lengths of chain have returned with a vengeance, if they had ever vanished. Of course things such as rape and physical harm must be prevented and punished, but we step a little too fast when we conflate all of that with the wolf whistle from atop some scaffolding; my wife used to work in a laboratory and she used to be amused at the reactions when she (you see? labs were open to both genders, it depended on ability if you got in or not) or any of the other female chemists would need to go into the works. The catcalls and "appreciation" were all good-natured and nobody took offence or intended it; as I say, I think this has been soured by political correctness distorting all transgender (cross-gender?) relationships. I remember my neighbour, in her seventies, remarking some years ago that if nobody gave you a whistle or pinched your ass, you believed you were slipping... There is an enormous gulf between assault and light public applause - and as the wolf whistle is often given to any female, it is probably if she doesn't get it that doubts creep in, exactly as they will from gazing at videos of trainers or dancers doing workouts and lying that yes, you too can look as do I if you but buy this, that or the other machine or diet deal. Bullshit; people are what they are through the luck of the draw, and helped not a little by loving, responsible and caring parents who cook good food and keep you out of the fast food joints. If there is a medical condition, that is something entirely different.

I can't speak for other snappers, but I never worked in a culture where you got your models and/or yourself drunk on the job. Why would you imagine that made life better? If anything, it would make you both incompetent. That may be the case within the ethos of the "amateur model and photographer" who hires her or picks her up somewhere, but as all my models came from agencies, all the girls knew how many eggs made an omelette. Now, of course there are and will continue to be photographers who take advantage of the relationship, as docs and nurses, pilots and stewardesses (you interact with people types you meet every day) might well do, for all I know; it's just sex appeal appealing yet again. It's up to the model if she wants to play that game or not; models are the strongest, most resilient creatures who face rejection at a casting every day, accept that somebody else suits the gig better, and they simply move along to the next casting they have been invited to attend. The invitation is its own reward on a basic level, because it indicates you are valuable; if you fail and another gets the gig, c'est la vie.

Kate Moss was not always a millionairess. Cocaine chick was flavour of the day - Corrine Day was big at the time, and worked with Moss a lot... there were many drug casualties, the most notable perhaps being poor Gia, a girl who had everything throwing it all away on dust.

But yes, times change. Mostly, a girl would come up to the studio, do her thing, I'd sign her agency slip and she'd be on her way. We were seldom stuck with other people around because the girls all knew how to do their make up themselves, and better yet, the day of the present-and-lurking art director and client had not arrived on my parish. Today, though I trust myself and know my abilities as well as those that age and health have stolen, I don't think I'd work that way again. This came to me after the same woman who had complained about political correctness stopping her from getting whistles, and also my own daughter, told me that I would be insane to work alone with a woman again. I think that may illustrate part of the mess that the pc brigade has created for everybody, even probably harmless old buggers such as I.

What a shame that attempts to improve the natural order have only made it worse.

Thought it worth adding: I have known models who hunt scalps, too. Hunting 'em is not exclusively a male thing.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 10, 2018, 11:22:33 am
Nothing new of course about abuse and the Weinstein or subsequent scandals. Monroe famously said she spent much of her early career on her knees. Even the Church - or should that be particularly the Church - had much to answer for. Abuse throughout society was rife, still is, but hopefully women people today are more informed, can recognise it for what it is and will be less inclined to perpetuate or tolerate the behaviour.

If that's being politically correct then bring it on.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 10, 2018, 11:41:55 am
 Amen, sister! (a nod to Catherine Deneuve)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 10, 2018, 11:58:27 am
Amen, sister! (a nod to Catherine Deneuve)


+1

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2018, 02:27:15 pm
Nothing new of course about abuse and the Weinstein or subsequent scandals. Monroe famously said she spent much of her early career on her knees. Even the Church - or should that be particularly the Church - had much to answer for. Abuse throughout society was rife, still is, but hopefully women people today are more informed, can recognise it for what it is and will be less inclined to perpetuate or tolerate the behaviour.

If that's being politically correct then bring it on.


No, I don't think that's at all pic: I think it's realistic. Having a daughter as well as granddaughters, I'm all too aware of what lies out there. But pretending it's all new and tied up to showbiz and that a few women in black will change the reality of sex is a mistake and a confusion of desires.

The bottom line, as I see it, is education both at home and in school. Fail there and all that remains is peer pessure at school, and certainly in my era there, all the girls were virgins and all the boys fully experienced. Go figure.

The funny thing is, dating a girl used to be easy: you just wandered across to her and said: would you like to go out with me on Saturday (or whenever). At worst she would say no thanks, I'm going steady (even if not) or, better, she'd say okay - where shall we meet? Today, with all the hysteria, I'd probably still be a batchelor and a world-class player of solitaire. These days, how do folks ask for a date without risking arrest or stoning?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on January 10, 2018, 02:38:24 pm

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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 10, 2018, 02:51:15 pm

No, I don't think that's at all pic: I think it's realistic. Having a daughter as well as granddaughters, I'm all too aware of what lies out there. But pretending it's all new and tied up to showbiz and that a few women in black will change the reality of sex is a mistake and a confusion of desires.

The bottom line, as I see it, is education both at home and in school. Fail there and all that remains is peer pessure at school, and certainly in my era there, all the girls were virgins and all the boys fully experienced. Go figure.

The funny thing is, dating a girl used to be easy: you just wandered across to her and said: would you like to go out with me on Saturday (or whenever). At worst she would say no thanks, I'm going steady (even if not) or, better, she'd say okay - where shall we meet? Today, with all the hysteria, I'd probably still be a batchelor and a world-class player of solitaire. These days, how do folks ask for a date without risking arrest or stoning?

Rob

That would be the internet.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 10, 2018, 03:59:09 pm
That would be the internet.

;-)

Please tell me it isn't so! How without soul; how "commodity"! Just buy it at Amazon.

:-)





Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 10, 2018, 04:08:26 pm
I expect tech developments to run human reproduction as currently practiced through the shredder. Initially for everyone who can afford it, eventually more widespread. Eventually pregnancy may come to be seen as barbaric. Eventually the need for men to play any part in the process may disappear.

Personally I'm rooting for all of this.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on January 10, 2018, 04:22:34 pm
And spoil all the fun? You're outta your mind!!!!!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 10, 2018, 04:25:14 pm
And spoil all the fun? You're outta your mind!!!!!

Think about it...By then it wont be fun. A cup of dystopia, all around.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 11, 2018, 03:21:58 am
During labour the pain is so great that a woman can almost imagine what a man feels like when he has a cold.

Think on these things.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 11, 2018, 05:14:38 am
I think it goes well past desire... or it's desire that has been so mutilated and deformed that it has turned into something much worse.
What I've observed on the street is young men shouting at women with hatred in their voices; referring to others as sluts and whores.

I'm sure it's a natural consequence of telling young men and women that the intense desires they are feeling are sinful and will condemn them to hell: they hate themselves, so they hate those who they see as temptation.

In France, what is happening on the streets is mainly about young men from a Muslim background. From what I've read, 50 years ago in the UK it was Irishmen: different religion, same cause. It has nothing to do with Weinstein et al, except that they believe they can get away with it. The kids are running in gangs and taking pleasure in doing what they've been told they mustn't do... the Weinsteiners have learnt that they have so much power that women will not say no. There is sense in the phrase "drunk on power"

As for Deneuve... it's a long time since she was a young woman walking across a public space in the less exclusive areas of a big city.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 11, 2018, 06:38:17 am
I think it goes well past desire... or it's desire that has been so mutilated and deformed that it has turned into something much worse.
What I've observed on the street is young men shouting at women with hatred in their voices; referring to others as sluts and whores.

I'm sure it's a natural consequence of telling young men and women that the intense desires they are feeling are sinful and will condemn them to hell: they hate themselves, so they hate those who they see as temptation.

In France, what is happening on the streets is mainly about young men from a Muslim background. From what I've read, 50 years ago in the UK it was Irishmen: different religion, same cause. It has nothing to do with Weinstein et al, except that they believe they can get away with it. The kids are running in gangs and taking pleasure in doing what they've been told they mustn't do... the Weinsteiners have learnt that they have so much power that women will not say no. There is sense in the phrase "drunk on power"

As for Deneuve... it's a long time since she was a young woman walking across a public space in the less exclusive areas of a big city.

Of course, religion has a part when you're talking about a clash of cultures, but the Catholic Irish and the Baptist Americans and Australians to which latters' tender mercies I was exposed from the age of about twelve, though they are diametrically opposed on religious grounds, just as the internecine-warring Moslems, they are united in the condemnation of pleasure. I simply don't get it: if it boils down to nothing more than the dangers of pregnancy, why the hell don't they just say so and nobody in their right mind would argue. But no, it gets mixed up with all manner of different aspects of life. Maybe in the case of the latter grouping, they get what they appear to get as a wrapped package, which might bring with it as many shocks as pleasant surprises. I can understand they might dislike anyone else having the opportunity to try before they buy, as it were. But equally, who can blame them totally when one sees some of the non-Moslem people behave exactly as the cows they sometimes get called by some Moslem hotheads? Life in a holiday resort is quite revealing of one's fellow tribe and it's behaviour patterns when away from home and possible observation.

However, nothing excuses violence and intimidation. There have been notorious cases of gangs of Pakistani-origination men in England abusing young white girls; apparently, though they were eventually tried and jailed, the ethic continues, and it seems that the reason is that the police are afraid to get too close because of the knee-jerk public and press noise about racial discrimination. I mean, as with the stop/search thing, it only happens more to specific groups because the figures show that's where the problems exist to a disproportionate degree. As with security searches at airports, guys and women who look and dress the part are more likely to enjoy the undivided attention of staff who have historical reasons to think those people enjoy, and think exploding aircraft to be desirable. My son and I used to be very frequent fliers during the early 80s, and we both wore jeans and I a beard. We would be stopped at Glasgow Airport every single time, and I know why: dress codes. I even joked with one officer about it, but he simply smiled and checked the cases thoroughly. I had no beef with that  - if we wanted to look like hippies on an Amex card, that was the price we had to be prepared to pay for that pleasure. And no, I'm all for stringent security at airports.

But Catherine: she doesn't have to be a walker of dingy streets: she was/is in the movie business since forever, and could hardly have escaped the system; her interest in the matter must relate to showbiz as it does for the women in black. Expanded altruism for the lesser-blessed (read less ambitious wannabe showbiz types) women strikes me as nothing more than what Deneuve condemns it for being. Even Mrs Worthington was advised not to let her daughter near the stage!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 11, 2018, 04:24:03 pm
As close as I get to two wheels.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 12, 2018, 04:28:46 am
Or one ball...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 12, 2018, 04:34:28 am
I'd have bought a shirt like hers in the sixties or even the seventies.

Nice shot, by the way, that improves with magnification: it's the Hans Feurer background effect.

;-)

Rob

P.S.

The Louis Faurer book arrived today - something for the weekend, sir...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 12, 2018, 09:34:53 am
~
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on January 12, 2018, 10:11:49 am
Wow. Very nice, Patricia.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 12, 2018, 10:54:37 am
~

J.R.R. Tolkien eat your heart out.

:-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 12, 2018, 03:35:35 pm
Of course, religion has a part when you're talking about a clash of cultures, but the Catholic Irish and the Baptist Americans and Australians to which latters' tender mercies I was exposed from the age of about twelve, though they are diametrically opposed on religious grounds, just as the internecine-warring Moslems, they are united in the condemnation of pleasure.

Yes. Separate sex from procreation, thus removing all necessity from it, and among other things you'll find out where & what people are actually getting their pleasure from and what exactly the nature of that pleasure is.

Some people get off on denying and condemning.

Oh, one other thing: sexbots.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 12, 2018, 04:03:43 pm
I've been reprocessing some of my Kodachrome digitizations (from 2013 via Olympus E-M5 camera & 60mm macro lens) in Affinity Photo on my iPad. This one is from Luxor, Egypt, May or June 1984. I can't remember if it was a bus or train station. Maybe both. I do remember feeling really crappy on the day…I had hepatitis A but didn't yet know it. Camera & lens were a Canon AE-1 and 50/1.4. Pretty sure I'd run out of K25 by then so this is almost certainly K64.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on January 12, 2018, 07:00:21 pm
Wow. Very nice, Patricia.

+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 12, 2018, 10:41:16 pm
Lost passage~
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 12, 2018, 11:52:52 pm
And another winner, Patricia!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 13, 2018, 09:12:19 am
Patricia's 2997 shot is indeed Tolkinian :-)

I seem to have accidentally created a series on chairs, or one chair in particular. Here is its latest appearance:
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 13, 2018, 11:59:13 am
Patricia's 2997 shot is indeed Tolkinian :-)

I seem to have accidentally created a series on chairs, or one chair in particular. Here is its latest appearance:


Well, I'll grant you this: as fetish it out-values Ms Coke, because at least you can sit on it without risking life, not to mention disgrace at the local hospital.

Regarding the Louis Faurer purchase: as you'd expect from Steidl, you get a wonderful print job. Nice paper, and the inks have a glow that I like. The text is also interesting and quite descripitve, but the images disappointed me. Oh, there's nothing wrong with them at all, and very reminiscent of the Leiter b/white pairing, but as my knowledge of his work has been mostly inspired by his efforts for the two fashion bibles, it comes as a huge disappointment to find no fashion work therein. The text refers to a dearth of such material surviving, yet the Internet is replete with his fashion work, and he uses a few of the same girls that did William Klein for his fashion shoots. Every bit as beautiful (and considering lack of Photoshop at the time), if not even more so than do our own era's supermodels, those ladies looked like class, not just expensive glamour. The proverbial duchess, as it might be said, which has, again, not a lot to do with duchesses at all, though I have to say that the Spanish Queen is some elegant lady!

Had this book been physically visible and not bought on the Internet, would I have bought it? Perhaps, but not at the first look at it. There are other publications I would rather have sprung for, but c'est la vie. And thinking of springing, maybe Steidl could have provided a dust jacket...but they do include a little ribbon for marking your page. Hmmm.

Another thing that I found strange: though the same gallery that represents Leiter also contributed to the book, nowhere is there mention of Leiter, though there is of Eggleston, which seems more than a little perverse. Yes, Robert Frank and Arbus as well as Helen Levitt are mentioned along with others of that NY School, but no Leiter. Distinctly and disturbingly odd. I wonder what political games are afoot there!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 13, 2018, 01:56:21 pm

Well, I'll grant you this: as fetish it out-values Ms Coke, because at least you can sit on it without risking life, not to mention disgrace at the local hospital.

Not entirely : this chair is in fact not the same as the earlier chair... I removed it from the spare room when I decided to clean it out and declare it the studio. Its duties for the last few years were limited to holding up boxes of paper, because the back will fall off with even minor encouragement. Otoh, hypothetical injuries would be more easily explained.

One of the challenges of making one's home. Did I post this one before?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 13, 2018, 02:01:05 pm
I can't remember if it was a bus or train station.

The descending stairwell to the left suggests trains. What I find striking is how much it reminds me of the Station Françia on the north side of Barcelona: not the painting, but the proportions of the space. There must be a generic form to train-station ticket-halls... or not.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 13, 2018, 03:35:55 pm
On the subject of recent book purchases, I plunged for Crewdson's Cathedral of the Pines. I'm very happy with it, even if I'm not convinced his production budget was really necessary, other than for creating a story to market the photos. Oh well, you have to spend money to make money, musn't go spoiling the industrial adages...  :D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on January 13, 2018, 03:52:02 pm
~
Dark and moody. Really comes through, Patricia.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 13, 2018, 05:32:36 pm
On the subject of recent book purchases, I plunged for Crewdson's Cathedral of the Pines. I'm very happy with it, even if I'm not convinced his production budget was really necessary, other than for creating a story to market the photos. Oh well, you have to spend money to make money, musn't go spoiling the industrial adages...  :D


Spend money to make money. Yes, spend client money, not your own. I was just thinking about this the other day when I opened the cabinet and saw the D700 wrapped up in its dish towel, almost never used (the camera) because the other one, though a lesser creature, has some mojo about it, just like Norman Parkinson's magic hats. The thought registered that of the many bits of glass and stuff that I bought after retiring, most of it lies unused, the one that sees most daylight being the af G version of the 1.8/50mm. It's the case, because on the D200 it is a 75mm equivalent, even if still a bit shorter than I'd have liked. An 85mm would be handy instead, giving me a bit more reach without going to the 180mm which becomes too obvious at times. The wonderful 105 Micro and fantastic 2.8/135 are manual focus, and off a tripod I may as well just go feed the nag. My beloved 500 reflex has nobody to grace, around whom to create halos of glory; it just sulks silently in its leather case. Which reminds me: Nikkors all used to come in clever, clear Perspex cases or in leather ones. Today, you are lucky to get the cardboard box. Maybe Leica does it better, but never having bought one, I don't know.

The book I should have bought, though I forgot about it when I ordered the Faurer, was the Ernst Haas one called Color Corrections. Age, the bitch!

But hey, you gotta hang on in there and think of something else. That's where music saves your hide.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 13, 2018, 05:35:39 pm
Not entirely : this chair is in fact not the same as the earlier chair... I removed it from the spare room when I decided to clean it out and declare it the studio. Its duties for the last few years were limited to holding up boxes of paper, because the back will fall off with even minor encouragement. Otoh, hypothetical injuries would be more easily explained.

One of the challenges of making one's home. Did I post this one before?


Not that I remember, you didn't, but I'm glad that you did. You really do have a great eye for city stuff.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 13, 2018, 07:23:46 pm
"...because the back will fall off with even minor encouragement."
As will even the most fine fine and precious of city porcelaine if pushed beyond its brink, yet receiving and expressing living sweet light, just as fine~I find your resting place quite fetching.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 13, 2018, 07:35:41 pm
Returning at nightfall to lost path, the thaw~
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 14, 2018, 09:54:17 am
Returning at nightfall to lost path, the thaw~

Wonderfully mysterious...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 14, 2018, 11:02:49 am
Returning at nightfall to lost path, the thaw~

Where's Gollum?

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 14, 2018, 11:42:05 am
~making progress on that. The tracking has been excellent until the thaw and did locate an entry within the root tangles of a banke, where at 10 degrees this morning I could feel a warmer movement of air being exhaled, so know there must be an anterior passage also. The flows have halted and once the tides recede a bit more hope to poke about. (Gladdens my heart ;) )
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 14, 2018, 11:53:05 am
Wonderfully mysterious...

Peter


You know what's a neat little piece in this Peter? Almost lost my walking sticks to the tide behind me as I perched between two outcroppings. As my fingertips began to throb trying to stay in position long enough in the lowlight to catch a particular surge which seemed to repeat briefly and draw the forms before my eyes, I several times saw two of your lowlight winter tree paintings. It is truly magical for me when these events simply spring up before my eyes with no particular warning or suggestive announcement. I actually DID say to you, "do you see that tree Peter? There it is again!", then finally had to quit and retreat against the cold and falling deep dark warning me of the need to get a move on. Set a chill up my spine to read your comment~
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 14, 2018, 04:48:50 pm
Returning at nightfall to lost path, the thaw~

Dark & lovely. Has a painted on hardboard quality.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 14, 2018, 04:49:44 pm
Wonderfully mysterious...

Peter


You know what's a neat little piece in this Peter? Almost lost my walking sticks to the tide behind me as I perched between two outcroppings. As my fingertips began to throb trying to stay in position long enough in the lowlight to catch a particular surge which seemed to repeat briefly and draw the forms before my eyes, I several times saw two of your lowlight winter tree paintings. It is truly magical for me when these events simply spring up before my eyes with no particular warning or suggestive announcement. I actually DID say to you, "do you see that tree Peter? There it is again!", then finally had to quit and retreat against the cold and falling deep dark warning me of the need to get a move on. Set a chill up my spine to read your comment~

Patrica,
When in search of winter nocturnes, I often find myself accompanied by thoughts that have been placed in my head and remain in my heart.
Fleeting light and mysterious shadows and the uncomfortable unknown are made safe with the voices and images of my past.

Peter

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 14, 2018, 11:28:54 pm
Thank you for that Peter.. Yes they have a way of becoming touchstones revealing truths emerging from the swirls of marks placed upon our hearts.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 15, 2018, 05:09:09 am
Patrica,
When in search of winter nocturnes, I often find myself accompanied by thoughts that have been placed in my head and remain in my heart.
Fleeting light and mysterious shadows and the uncomfortable unknown are made safe with the voices and images of my past.

Peter


That, Peter, is why I hate having to have anything at all to do with forests!

Yes, on a practical human level they may be generally safe (in western Europe) from death by tooth and claw unless you wander through ferns, eating wild mushrooms and stand on snakes, but there is a spooking of the mind present nonetheless - for me. Blair Witch Project illustrated it perfectly or, maybe, created a recognizable form of what I had formerly known only as a shapeless sense of menace about the disorientation those places engender.

It's not reserved for humans. When we came out here to live (Spain) we eventually brought our Alsabrador with us - mainly Alsation - and she had the biggest teeth I ever saw on a dog. A hundred yards behind our home there is a hill covered in pine forest, with a road winding up to the crest, on the sides of which road were markings where houses were allowed to be built. Most, these almost forty years later, are still not built. Anyway, a great place for a walk with the reward of a magnficent view overlooking the Bay of Pollensa, right across to the next bay, the Alcudia one. But, that dog was straining against the lead every step of the way. She did not want to be there. I was to discover later that one of my neighbours who also had a dog, experienced the very same reactions with his. He told me that he'd once wandered off the road into the trees and came across a dead dog hanging from a branch. Who could do this sort of thing?

But dogs do more than sense by ear and nose. The predecessor to the above dog was a lot smaller - pretty much like a fox, she was; I would sometimes be in the front room playing my records whilst the family were in the next room watching tv or whatever, the dog with them. I would hear her bark, and then I'd look out the window to the road and see a chap and his dog come strolling down, about forty yards away. Now how, with music and tv on, could that dog know that this other animal was on its way? No chance of scent shooting ahead of the dog and into the house, and I can't imagine it could hear above the ambient sounds already in the house. Yes, the dog was a regular on the road, but the timing was not regular.

It's things like this that convince me of a hereafter, of the existence of so much of which we know zero.

But back to the forests: as you admit to the emotions they inspire, I'm surprised you actually seek them out. I thought you loved the woods... however, this new revelation puts another layer of meaning onto your paintings, widening the conversation one might hold with them.
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Post by: GrahamBy on January 15, 2018, 05:31:03 am
Yes, I think dark is a primordial fear... it makes sense, we lose one of our most useful defensive faculties, we're at a disdvantage to the beasts of claws and teeth. My friend of the shoulder blades and knees grew up in a tiny village in the Ardèche, the only Département in France with neither a railway nor an autoroute. Some would call it a "shit-hole", but it's where you end up when your father has left the priesthood to marry: did you know that the church is excused any contributions to the social security system? That means an ex-priest essentially has no hope of a decent retirement once past 40 years. In the case of her father, he solved the problem by dieing in his 50's.

Anyway, as a girl she would be sent up the hill to collect milk from a farm every night, on a road through the forest which in winter was completely dark. If she was lucky she could persuade one of her brothers to to come along, but often not. She was overjoyed when the family moved to the city :)

These are not her legs, they belong to a young woman who was reading musical scores and making notes on a laptop in my new favourite café...
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Post by: petermfiore on January 15, 2018, 07:13:50 am

That, Peter, is why I hate having to have anything at all to do with forests

But back to the forests: as you admit to the emotions they inspire, I'm surprised you actually seek them out. I thought you loved the woods... however, this new revelation puts another layer of meaning onto your paintings, widening the conversation one might hold with them.

Rob,
To paint one needs to feel, if one paints only what is observed...well, the camera does that much better. Feeling can be uneasy, but feeling is life. I've never felt my life was endangered on my walks. My mind wanders to various life moments as I move through a space. The past is a tremendous reservoir to inform our future thinking. I force that upon myself.

Peter
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Post by: KLaban on January 15, 2018, 08:19:27 am
Going back twenty years or more I used to do a lot of woodland photography and spent a lot of time in these environments miles from any habitation. The day to day experience varied, perhaps depending on my frame of mind on any particular day. Some days it was an uplifting experience and on others somewhat daunting and even potentially dangerous.

Occasionally in the middle of nowhere I'd come across a lit manmade fire: a policeman friend told me this was more than likely evidence of criminals who are on the run. Another time I had my car broken into but thankfully I had all my equipment with me and there were no losses other than a broken window. On yet another occasion I got back to my car only to find a pornographic polaroid tucked under the wiper. I reported this to the police who told me the perpetrator was likely in the vicinity and watching for my return: rather unnerving.

On balance and despite the dangers I remember it generally as a rewarding time.

 
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Post by: Rob C on January 15, 2018, 09:27:50 am
Yes, I think dark is a primordial fear... it makes sense, we lose one of our most useful defensive faculties, we're at a disdvantage to the beasts of claws and teeth. My friend of the shoulder blades and knees grew up in a tiny village in the Ardèche, the only Département in France with neither a railway nor an autoroute. Some would call it a "shit-hole", but it's where you end up when your father has left the priesthood to marry: did you know that the church is excused any contributions to the social security system? That means an ex-priest essentially has no hope of a decent retirement once past 40 years. In the case of her father, he solved the problem by dieing in his 50's.

Anyway, as a girl she would be sent up the hill to collect milk from a farm every night, on a road through the forest which in winter was completely dark. If she was lucky she could persuade one of her brothers to to come along, but often not. She was overjoyed when the family moved to the city :)

These are not her legs, they belong to a young woman who was reading musical scores and making notes on a laptop in my new favourite café...

My bad forest experience wasn't there, but in Limousin, as we took the route from Brive-la-Gaillard across, eastwards, towards Clermont Ferrand and onwards and upwards to the champagne lands. I needed to take a leak and it's a route as empty as the places of your friend's experiences. After that I thought seriously about carrying an empty bottle around... I guess some things defy logic and common sense, whatever common sense may really be; it might even be the emotion tellng me not to turn off the straight line because then I'd never find the way back. I also wonder why the hell I didn't just go French, stop right beside the car and just unzip, there and then. Maybe the French do that because they know their forests better.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 15, 2018, 10:27:05 am
To paint one needs to feel, if one paints only what is observed...well, the camera does that much better. Feeling can be uneasy, but feeling is life.
Well said, Peter!

Expressing feeling using a camera is probably harder than using paints, but the photographs I find myself most attracted to are ones that express feelings, as do Patricia's, and Peter's, and, yes, even Rob's. And "happy face" isn't the only feeling worth expressing visually.

-Eric
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Post by: Rob C on January 15, 2018, 01:19:20 pm
Well said, Peter!

Expressing feeling using a camera is probably harder than using paints, but the photographs I find myself most attracted to are ones that express feelings, as do Patricia's, and Peter's, and, yes, even Rob's. And "happy face" isn't the only feeling worth expressing visually.

-Eric


Thanks, Eric, and "happy face" is probably the most boring of them all; at least a selfie might show a tiny spot of embarrassment... !

I think emotional buzz must be one of the hardest things to try and achieve through landscape photography, though, as one lacks so much control over the subject and pretty words induce nothing by way of response. At least with Moira there is some communication: I whistle, she wanders over, and she gets a couple of carrots and I the pleasure of looking into her eyes. Done. No camera required. I have always failed to see anything when looking into the eyes of a cat, and for some years we had over thirty of them that we fed. That each had a name made no difference to the depth of relationship.






Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 15, 2018, 03:00:41 pm
Ah,Rob,

Cats are like the purest of documentary photographers. They may have feelings, but they will absolutely NEVER let a human know what those feelings are. The sound of a can opener will cause any cat to come running, making a great (totally fake) show of affection, that lasts until the food is in the dish.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 15, 2018, 03:52:00 pm
Ah,Rob,

Cats are like the purest of documentary photographers. They may have feelings, but they will absolutely NEVER let a human know what those feelings are. The sound of a can opener will cause any cat to come running, making a great (totally fake) show of affection, that lasts until the food is in the dish.

Eric

Are you sure, Eric? Shows of affection could be no more than the wilder imaginings of anthropomorphic wishful thinking.

But they do relate, one to the other - the cats, I mean. The last surviving pair from our adopted lot of wildbunchers were both castratos (not done by us, but during our absence on a working trip by a crazed woman neighbour who poisoned the rest and took the surviving pair to a vet) and seemed inseperable.

When one died, probably by a heart problem as it happened so fast, the other walked up to it, sniffed it and literally jumped away from it. So some connection or understanding of death exists within the species. Equally, when some of the females gave birth, there would always be the kitten that came to feed last. We were friendly enough that the mothers would allow us to handle their offspring, and when we'd try to get the runts to feed by holding them up at the mother, they would just look at us as if thinking poor sods, don't they know it's not going to survive?

All said and done, the emotional stress of losing animals one has known all their life is too hard to handle anymore; also, the knowledge that having another dog today means the poor creature will eventually be left to fend for itself or, worse, put to sleep when I'm gone, stops me making the mistake it would be. The loss of our last dog was very hard to accept, and neither of us ever got over the sound of silence when we put the key in the front door lock...
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Post by: Michael West on January 15, 2018, 04:59:34 pm
a not very recent image from the actual interior of neighbor's rather odd  house

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2290/2106753721_f2605b80c0_o.jpg)
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 15, 2018, 06:17:22 pm
a not very recent image from the actual interior of neighbor's rather odd  house

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2290/2106753721_f2605b80c0_o.jpg)
Ah! Classic!
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Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 15, 2018, 07:11:36 pm
~slow passage to sea ~(hard water)
and come to grips~
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 15, 2018, 08:01:04 pm
Very hard water indeed!
Splendid.
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Post by: armand on January 15, 2018, 09:52:00 pm
few streams from the summer time
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Post by: armand on January 15, 2018, 09:57:39 pm
and a winter one
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on January 16, 2018, 09:40:41 am
My staircase fetish almost played up on me. SooC:
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Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 16, 2018, 11:41:59 am
Ohhh, a nice patch of visual mind games rolled into one passage; my favorite, ~vertigo.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 16, 2018, 12:48:09 pm
Escher would love it.
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Post by: armand on January 16, 2018, 04:11:20 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 16, 2018, 04:40:18 pm
http://myrvaagnes.com
 

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Escher would love it.

He was the string to my view too, but with a splash of Hitchcock~
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 16, 2018, 10:41:28 pm
Yes, Patricia! Escher plus Hitchcock.

I felt the Hitchcockian vibes but his name didn't immediately pop up.
Thanks for interpreting my unconscious mind.  ;)

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 17, 2018, 12:27:07 am
I really went out of my way to bring you this - I walked to the other side of the building and looked into the neighbours' garden. Somebody had to do it.

I flew all the way to Hawai'i for this one!  ;D

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on January 17, 2018, 10:37:50 am
I flew all the way to Hawai'i for this one!  ;D

-Dave-

Your palm and mine are leaning towards one another (or apart, if you juxtapose unkindly), which suggests that they share the same gene pool which has been ruffled by island winds and its gifts scattered across the oceans; yes, even if this one is just pretending a tiny bit, being little but an inland sea with miniscule outlets, one but a canal.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 17, 2018, 10:48:05 am
I flew all the way to Hawai'i for this one!  ;D

-Dave-
Somehow I guessed it wasn't Massachusetts.

-Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 17, 2018, 01:30:43 pm
Somehow I guessed it wasn't Massachusetts.

-Eric


Because the lights are still on?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 17, 2018, 02:20:08 pm

Because the lights are still on?
Of course.   ;)
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Post by: armand on January 17, 2018, 06:56:46 pm
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Post by: armand on January 17, 2018, 09:38:40 pm
lights
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Post by: John R on January 18, 2018, 01:05:51 am
Some people just don't want to use the stairs.

JR

(https://photos.smugmug.com/On-the-Road/i-RPptRjB/0/f26697bb/M/Feb%2020-12%20Downtown%20HDR%20094%20copy1000-M.jpg)
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Post by: 32BT on January 18, 2018, 05:52:03 am
I like that one John. Good "story" in that image. You didn't bump into Slobodan there by change? ;-) 

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on January 18, 2018, 06:47:08 am
Some people just don't want to use the stairs.

JR


I love this one. It has a story, the colors and geometry/architecture.
Well done.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 18, 2018, 04:42:23 pm
Sometimes there's a ramp...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on January 18, 2018, 05:27:11 pm
I almost forgot about these
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Post by: Telecaster on January 19, 2018, 04:36:31 pm
I almost forgot about these

Reminds me of the balloon fiesta I saw in Albuquerque in 1993.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 19, 2018, 04:38:59 pm
I've been documenting my north-most maple tree's refusal this winter to give up all its leaves. This is today's pic.

-Dave-
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Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 20, 2018, 01:23:24 am
Hi Dave,
You must have had a few mornings of severe late season cold before the process had completed. If it left them so tightly attached the winds have not yet stripped them, new Spring growth should push them off to allow you your raking pleasure. Beech trees happily exhibit this behaviour on a regular basis, and is one way to locate them in the woods during winter months when you had up to that point not even realized they were among your species.
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Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 20, 2018, 01:25:05 am
Screened in~
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Post by: Rob C on January 20, 2018, 04:12:05 am
Screened in~


That one has power indeed, and mystery. Cuts right across the banal.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 20, 2018, 09:40:29 am

That one has power indeed, and mystery. Cuts right across the banal.
+1.

Patricia continues to amaze.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 20, 2018, 04:50:27 pm
Patricia, I've seen the behavior you describe with trees in my favorite trail-walking park during years with early cold weather. This maple has been behaving oddly for the past 18 months or so. In fall 2016 it was late to drop its leaves, though they finally did fall in a big burst about two weeks after my other maple dropped its last stragglers. This past spring both maples budded normally but the leaves grew slowly, maybe due to unusually cool May weather. (My lilies were late too.) This fall the other maple dumped its leaves a little late but they did come down. But with the pictured tree the leaves have been very stubborn, wind or cold or lack thereof. It's kinda comical driving down my street and seeing nothing but bare branches, then this weirdo. I'm hoping it's just confused rather than ill.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 21, 2018, 07:16:13 am

That one has power indeed, and mystery. Cuts right across the banal.

The floating fine line between fear and desire? (your history with forest,) The sparse population or even more of interest relative safety from your position in place, screened out? Always surprising, the ever constant ebb and flow of our involuntary senses.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on January 21, 2018, 02:48:16 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 22, 2018, 06:48:54 am
Acknowledgement of a forever friend...Indeed

Peter
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Post by: Rob C on January 22, 2018, 07:12:11 am
Acknowledgement of a forever friend...Indeed

Peter

Yeah, she calls me whenever the blues come say hello.

If I'm smart I go to her; if I'm not, I just walk and hope it lifts and passes again. So far so good...

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 22, 2018, 07:20:52 am
Sometimes there's a ramp...


I thought you were too young to notice ramps; two things made me aware: at an early age it was riding a bicycle against the breeze; these days, it's just walking. Quite amazing how one's sense of level increase with age. The wonderful, new-found sense is all in the principal pump.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 22, 2018, 09:35:38 am
Sometimes rain helps me get photos of people too distracted by their umbrellas to notice the camera, but in Paris no one holds till for more than a few milliseconds unless held up by a red light... and even then...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on January 22, 2018, 12:02:40 pm
Rob, you're doing some really interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 22, 2018, 12:10:54 pm
They take their time in Palma, maybe because they already know there's nowhere else to go.

Love it :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 22, 2018, 12:14:35 pm
Sometimes rain helps me get photos of people too distracted by their umbrellas to notice the camera, but in Paris no one holds till for more than a few milliseconds unless held up by a red light... and even then...

An exercise in futilty: smoking on a bicycle was a waste of fag - a motorised machine makes it last even less time! On the other hand, perhaps that's more healthy, then, despite gasses.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on January 22, 2018, 01:35:59 pm
I'm looking for a version with less window and more wall, but there was a tree in the way, so let's call it a study. Need to get closer for an unobstructed wider view but that would be on their premises, so it's either asking permission or stealthmode. Considering the sentiment these days, i'd better ask permission first.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on January 22, 2018, 10:56:39 pm
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 22, 2018, 11:11:21 pm
I'm looking for a version with less window and more wall...

That's a cool shot, Oscar.

It is fine as-is, but if you insist, you can always reduce the aspect ratio from the left.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 23, 2018, 05:24:06 am
An exercise in futilty: smoking on a bicycle was a waste of fag - a motorised machine makes it last even less time! On the other hand, perhaps that's more healthy, then, despite gasses.

You know that at one stage Barry Sheene drilled a hole in the front of his helmet, so he could get in one last fag while sitting on the starting grid at GP's ?

Eventually it killed him, more surely than all the high-speed impacts. Today's riders are all hyper-trained athletes and wouldn't dream of such things, with a very small number of exceptions. One of them though is Valentino Rossi, arguably the greatest of all... who probably grills one occasionally just for the perversity of it.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on January 23, 2018, 07:46:13 am
That's a cool shot, Oscar.

It is fine as-is, but if you insist, you can always reduce the aspect ratio from the left.

Yes, although I would like to stick to 2:1 or 16:9 for the theme (industrial activity) and the wall structure obviously makes the image. There is a lot of wall left at the top, so perhaps there is a square version possible. The window however extends further to the left so I would like to go for a more elongated but more narrow window contribution with a very dominant wall structure. Even smaller bricks but with plenty of detail would be preferred.

Most of the people that work in this building have mental disabilities and I'm strongly considering calling this "autism" where the narrow window in a wall of structure alludes to a narrow view and love or necessity of structure in the lives of these people.

I could probably shoot a scene oversight picture to show the context.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 23, 2018, 09:25:29 am
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/stephanie-mclean

No wonder he had to smoke now and then...

I used to have her index card but never used her - I think she might have been with Bobton's Agency, but it's long gone too. Yeah, quite an era that was. I think about it sometimes now and start to wonder if it ever existed, and then I find some of my old snaps and feel a little bit more certain that it did. She was a Penthouse or Playboy girl at one time.

I also remember wearing bell-bottoms of the softest denim; a big brand - briefly- was South Sea Bubble, but it went the way of its illustrious namesake...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 23, 2018, 10:44:19 pm
There are no actual cardinals to be *seen around my house at the moment so this will have to do. I think Joan Cox was a neighbor of ours when I was a kid. (I remember the Cox children well but I'm not certain Joan was their mother.) The brown splotch above left of the cutting board dates back more than 40 years. My Aunt Anna flicked a spatula holding a small amount of lemon or lime pudding/filling at me—I was being a smartarse about something—and missed, hitting the wall instead. I cleaned it up but somehow didn't properly get this one spot. It wasn't even noticeable at first, but once it darkened Anna pointed it out to me with a grin…and left it there.  :)

-Dave-

*At my fav local park the cardinals are much less wary of humans during winter, probably because so many folks leave seeds and nuts for the smaller residents. I've put out seeds on a bench in really cold & snowy weather and had a cardinal immediately swoop down and start chowing less than two feet away from me.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on January 24, 2018, 03:38:55 pm

I wonder if this is one of Moira's dreams?

Rob

Huh? What then have you been feeding the poor damsel lately?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 24, 2018, 05:12:15 pm
No whisky involved... just a rainy Sunday morning in Paris
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 24, 2018, 05:24:36 pm
The Leica Look (when you push an M9 exposure to ~EI 16000 and leave in all the resulting artifacts).  :)

-Dave-
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Post by: Patricia Sheley on January 24, 2018, 07:31:35 pm
~toward Spring
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Post by: churly on January 24, 2018, 09:06:29 pm
Nice one Patricia. 
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 24, 2018, 09:14:13 pm
Nice one Patricia.
+1.
But Spring also brings Mud Season, after which you may be able to get to that car safely if you need to.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on January 24, 2018, 09:29:41 pm
wasps in the winter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 25, 2018, 03:59:25 am
No whisky involved... just a rainy Sunday morning in Paris

If that's from your own apartment, you have a minefield at your feet!

Incidentally, that's pretty good definition you've got there: I can read the legend about the shop so clearly!

Rob
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Post by: GrahamBy on January 25, 2018, 05:00:20 am
No, it's an AirBnB. 50€/night, really quite nice except for the passage of the nuclear powered garbage compactor in the early hours of Saturday. It's in the 17th, which I didn't know at all but my friend had meetings at Pont de Levallois... so it was an opportunity.

Here's one from down the road a bit... and it comes with a sound-track :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhcWeXIOZs

(As for resolution... the car he is level with is a Smart "FourTwo" which is very easy to read at full res... damn these hand-held APC sensors and 16 year old zooms :) )
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 25, 2018, 05:04:35 am
The Leica Look (when you push an M9 exposure to ~EI 16000 and leave in all the resulting artifacts).  :)

Yes! Much better than smoothing, de-noising, sharpening and otherwise converting the image into what one thinks it should be rather than what it is :)

Although I have to say that Leica noise doesn't look so different to Pentax noise  ;D
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Post by: Rob C on January 25, 2018, 05:43:30 am
No, it's an AirBnB. 50€/night, really quite nice except for the passage of the nuclear powered garbage compactor in the early hours of Saturday. It's in the 17th, which I didn't know at all but my friend had meetings at Pont de Levallois... so it was an opportunity.

Here's one from down the road a bit... and it comes with a sound-track :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhcWeXIOZs

(As for resolution... the car he is level with is a Smart "FourTwo" which is very easy to read at full res... damn these hand-held APC sensors and 16 year old zooms :) )

Oops! Of course, it's Paris, quite some way away!

Grace Jones. Not my cup of tea, even were it the last cup I was ever to be offered, though I believe that entire suite of crockery is already down the Swannee! Jean-Paul Goude used to push her a lot in French PHOTO lo those many moons ago...  never could understand her popularity if, indeed, she ever was, and it wasn't simply media hype made one imagine so.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 25, 2018, 05:53:35 am
Huh? What then have you been feeding the poor damsel lately?

Well, if you reflect on that, you might see her point... those black stallions come with as much hype as did Ms Jones.

I don't see her as much these days - I think that what with the hint from the new, fluttering ribbon above the electric wire, they are trying to keep us apart. She seems to be in a second field where she only becomes visible when in front of a gate. My daughter has suggested (before this new ribbon was brought into play) that I start to walk past Moira, just casually, carrying a saddle on my shoulder for a few days... perhaps instead of a whistle I might try a whisper. I'd never have thought of that.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 25, 2018, 05:56:45 am
Oh, I think she has a certain charm :)
She was HUGE in the gay community... and if she occasionally punched a few blokes in her disambulations down the corridors of television land, it probably did them some good :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on January 25, 2018, 07:06:48 am
A feeble attempt at a more Rob-like approach, including faux-framing.
I'm imagining a Daido telling me: "too many mind" and then start looking for more eros in our city, which is quite a considerable task given the average age of citizenship here, so you'll have to excuse the windowtheme. It's just an appetizer, so to speak.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 25, 2018, 08:02:08 am
A feeble attempt at a more Rob-like approach, including faux-framing.
I'm imagining a Daido telling me: "too many mind" and then start looking for more eros in our city, which is quite a considerable task given the average age of citizenship here, so you'll have to excuse the windowtheme. It's just an appetizer, so to speak.


Your appetizer is beautiful!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 25, 2018, 08:16:59 am
Oh, I think she has a certain charm :)
She was HUGE in the gay community... and if she occasionally punched a few blokes in her disambulations down the corridors of television land, it probably did them some good :)

Perhaps charm is relative, and the sense of it a bit too subjective! I have no thermometer within the "happy" community (gotta be sensitive here or risk banishment!) and thus no way of knowing how hugely hot or lukewarm the person may have been... ;-) For my part, I wouldn't even have wanted to photograph her in her time. It wasn't a matter of being indifferent, it was one of actual dislike of an image, though as a person, off-stage, she may have been a delightful buttercup. But from afar, one knows only what's projected.

I'd add: of all the models in this world, if I were to have the choice of shooting pictures of one of them, at her prime, that girl would be Jean Shrimpton: hands down winner by a mile. I don't think anyone since has come close.

As with my revulsion with one, the attraction for this other one is pretty much complete: I just can't imagine Shrimp being a bitch. Again, I never met her, but from the few videos where she speaks, as from her expressions, she is about softness, vulnerabilty, and not in the least like the contemporary model women who threaten to skewer you with every snap. But, perhaps as with Jones, I could be being deluded by image, but a chance I'd have taken with Jean. Fierce women leave me cold; it's not my idea of femininity at all. Yep, I'm always gonna be the obsolete romantic!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 25, 2018, 04:59:51 pm
Enjoyed all the recent pic posts!

Today's maple tree study comes courtesy of the near-infrared spectrum and a 720nm filter.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 25, 2018, 10:16:42 pm
wasps in the winter

This reminds me of my dad & I water-blasting a wasp's nest, along with its inhabitants, into pulp after one of the wasps stung a neighbor. (The nest was in the same maple tree now suffering from leaf separation anxiety.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 26, 2018, 12:07:16 am
Keeping up both guitar playing and lens focusing chops. Two cups of coffee helped with the former while not seeming to harm the latter.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on January 26, 2018, 05:14:14 pm
Nicer weather leads to (short due to mud) park trail walk for this boy.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on January 26, 2018, 10:27:02 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on January 27, 2018, 03:58:27 am
Hmm ...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4655/39168211374_ca0ee68504_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22FajDd)Flags (https://flic.kr/p/22FajDd) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 27, 2018, 04:22:20 am
Reminds me of Brexit. Europe won't ever be the same again, and worst of all, nobody will have won anything at all...

The power of photography to express what it sees.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: degrub on January 27, 2018, 07:21:19 pm
Ms Coke is going to be jealous that you have taken up the vine. ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 28, 2018, 04:12:15 am
Ms Coke is going to be jealous that you have taken up the vine. ;)

I know, I know...

The only answer is to attempt a delicately balanced ménage à trois; however, I'm not sure I have the energy for that sort of ambition, if I had that ambition, which I'm not sure that I do. Maybe if I increase the grain neither will discover the other? I often wondered what smoke and mirrors were meant to do - I think I'm learning fast. Perhaps the answer lies in layers that are never flattened. But at what cost?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on January 28, 2018, 04:19:57 am
Reminds me of Brexit. Europe won't ever be the same again, and worst of all, nobody will have won anything at all...

Avoid politics, Rob. Not everyone thinks it's a bad thing.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 28, 2018, 04:26:28 am
Avoid politics, Rob. Not everyone thinks it's a bad thing.

Jeremy

Jeremy, that was an artistic statement based upon the effect of the image upon my brain.

Anyway, when did it, art criticism, depend upon peer opinion, whether in the majority or the minority?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 28, 2018, 06:35:51 am
Colour ?
A lot, a little, or none at all.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 28, 2018, 07:52:25 am
Graham,

I think you can safely assume that the cup shot is perfect.

Ms Cup? Except, of course, that what we have is a mug. I see no delicate way of addressing that; the term has not yet been introduced into conversation, but if you are willing to forego political correctness, Ms Mug seems cool with me. But I'd check first.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 28, 2018, 04:33:33 pm
This was meant to be a shot of a red-ribbon in red hair... and at the moment I was about to press the button, she turned her head.

What could I do?

(Sadly a bit damaged by the jpgification)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 28, 2018, 04:43:02 pm
This was meant to be a shot of a red-ribbon in red hair... and at the moment I was about to press the button, she turned her head.

What could I do?

(Sadly a bit damaged by the jpgification)

ETTR?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: mbaginy on January 29, 2018, 03:15:37 am
Monday!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 29, 2018, 05:58:49 am
Monday!

That one would tempt our friend Seamus!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 29, 2018, 07:33:00 am
This chap seemed very worked up while singing, but wonderfully at peace while tuning...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 29, 2018, 08:39:19 am
This chap seemed very worked up while singing, but wonderfully at peace while tuning...

The zigzag of Zen, Graham.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on January 29, 2018, 11:00:07 am
ETTR?

;-)

Rob

Or After...forgive me for taking a leap.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on January 29, 2018, 11:22:58 am
But it's often hard to beat this approach.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on January 29, 2018, 11:54:48 am
But it's often hard to beat this approach.

Indeed, but it's a shame to lose all that glorious red hair, and the first decent sun for a few months as well.

An alternative effort in B&W, still in high-key (lets hope the Lula compression doesn't push her face into burn-out):
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on January 29, 2018, 12:11:32 pm
Indeed, but it's a shame to lose all that glorious red hair, and the first decent sun for a few months as well.

An alternative effort in B&W, still in high-key (lets hope the Lula compression doesn't push her face into burn-out):

Well, the sun's still there and the hair's still there. The color's gone, but the girl's still there and she's prettier than the color.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 29, 2018, 12:50:14 pm
No competition, the red hair and bow are the interest.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on January 29, 2018, 01:30:55 pm
No competition, the red hair and bow are the interest.

Wow, K. You like red hair and bows more then girls?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 29, 2018, 01:44:05 pm
Wow, K. You like red hair and bows more then girls?

Hey, what can I say, I love girls women, red, black, white, blonde...

My current favourite redhead (http://images.radiotimes.com/remote/ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1024x576/p05q5jl8.jpg?quality=60&mode=crop&width=700&height=422) and my wife being blonde is more than happy for me. She would have been the perfect muse for Egon Schiele.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 29, 2018, 01:47:30 pm
Or After...forgive me for taking a leap.

Great depth.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 29, 2018, 02:18:36 pm
Hey, what can I say, I love girls women, red, black, white, blonde...

My current favourite redhead (http://images.radiotimes.com/remote/ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/1024x576/p05q5jl8.jpg?quality=60&mode=crop&width=700&height=422) and my wife being blonde is more than happy for me. She would have been the perfect muse for Egon Schiele.


Red, and in Grenages, as tough and without soul as they come. She did look attractive when she was sleeping in her bath of blood, though, but she was too important to the plot to remain deaded.

I find these French dramas quite gripping. Especially now, as double episodes. Interestingly, both she and other players have made reference to the volume of her breasts. I notice things like that. Perhaps it signals the demise of a remaining bastion of normal appreciation - or even of pride and envy. Me2 will never allow such things to survive... That porc will truly have to run to save its bacon.

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 29, 2018, 02:26:24 pm
Rob, she - Audrey Fleurot - was also in the latest series of Witnesses.

Worth a watch.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 29, 2018, 03:02:42 pm
It's all context. Egon Schiele and the like are in no danger from Me2, whereas The Presidents Club is toast.


Yep, and half a million squids given to the Sick Children's Hospital is supposedly being handed back as coming from soiled sources... I wonder at the sense of it all. I think a hospital and sick kids should not give a shit about the fact that the money comes from a few fat cats with plenty of it. That it is possible to find a hundred girls to attend those functions shows that the agencies have plenty of willing people on their books who think nothing of riotous male exuberance; the shit came from "undercover" plants. How brave of them; how noble that it means kids will probably lose out if the hospital sticks with its silly attitude.

Oh well, that's what a free and hypocritical press does for us all: sells copies and gathers audiences on the back of holding up its dainty, clean little hands in horror.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 30, 2018, 04:54:45 am
Great Britain's all male 'Captains of Industry' putting their hands up young student's skirts and asking "how much for a fuck", well, there's a surprise.

Great Britain's press acting as self appointed guardians of all our morals, well, there's a surprise.

Great Britain's children's charities distancing themselves from these behaviours, well, there's a surprise.


You saw all this? Well, there's a surprise!

Students play hostess games? My girls never told me! That's an ever bigger surprise!

Cap'ns of Industry with roaming hands? Students and schoolboys with roaming hands? Now there's a suprise!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 30, 2018, 05:11:02 am
Rob, she - Audrey Fleurot - was also in the latest series of Witnesses.

Worth a watch.

Yes, I saw the ads for it, Keith, but the Beeb here depends on the atmpospherics, just like Radio Luxembourg used to in Scotland: some nights it works and others not. The only channel that sails through fire, storm and general world shit is Sky News. (Other channels are bundled with the telephone contract's tv and Internet package deal, which is where I pick up on France24.) Yes, other satellite channels also weather storms, but I have stopped looking at them because I drift off...

As a result, I saw none of Witnesses and only got into this latest series of Engrenages a couple of weeks ago, so I missed a lot, but will probably end up with it available later on.

To be honest, I watch hardly any tv because I find trawling pictures on that little iPad far more rewarding. But it's also frustrating when I see images that I know very well and find them wrongly attributed.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 30, 2018, 05:49:12 pm
Someone was writing about shadows as theme, I think.

Here's one from this afternoon:

(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3269_orig.jpg)

Or Picasso, profile of young woman?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 31, 2018, 04:13:58 am
That strikes me as reasonable, Keith; I therefore offer a single, signed print for $ 40,000,000 - a unique snip!

(That might ensure the arrival of a spanking new M10 as well as of a new Shaman. How odd: on the face of it at least, both are of German origin! I might have imagined I'd have gone for an Italian job.)

Oh, on the sale of said print, I shall immediately take on the chore of my French canal trip and faithfully document the windows along the banks of that waterway. And publish it via Steidl; even he must encounter offers he can't refuse! Whilst there, in Germany, I will pick up the wheels, in a fine, greyish chrome.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on January 31, 2018, 05:38:40 am
Yep, and half a million squids given to the Sick Children's Hospital is supposedly being handed back as coming from soiled sources... I wonder at the sense of it all.

There's no sense in it at all, Rob: it's sanctimonious virtue signalling. "Oh, sorry, we can't treat your child's cancer: we've had to spend the money replacing the half million we gave back because it made us feel better". GOS gets hugely privileged, special treatment, far in excess of any other children's hospital and far more than it truly deserves. It's been a source of irritation for years to people who work at those other hospitals. If one good thing comes of this absurd and pointless gesture, it will be that the money is re-distributed to others who need it.

As Vespasian (I think it was) is said to have observed when criticised by his son for levying a tax on public toilets, "pecunia non olet".

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 31, 2018, 08:27:05 am
I've just removed a couple of my posts so as not to pollute this thread.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 31, 2018, 09:16:22 am
There's no sense in it at all, Rob: it's sanctimonious virtue signalling. "Oh, sorry, we can't treat your child's cancer: we've had to spend the money replacing the half million we gave back because it made us feel better". GOS gets hugely privileged, special treatment, far in excess of any other children's hospital and far more than it truly deserves. It's been a source of irritation for years to people who work at those other hospitals. If one good thing comes of this absurd and pointless gesture, it will be that the money is re-distributed to others who need it.

As Vespasian (I think it was) is said to have observed when criticised by his son for levying a tax on public toilets, "pecunia non olet".

Jeremy


Funny you should say that: early during my first couple of years working on my own, my pa-in-law tried to convince me that I was nuts trying to stick to the difficult path of finding fashion photography to shoot in an area not famed for offering much work of that nature. He was a successful surveyor, and told me: I don't care if I measure a shit-house or a palace, the bank is just as happy either way! And he was, objectively speaking, right, but that didn't take cognizance of personality. However, I'm sure the concern was for his daughter's welfare and not directly mine other than by virtue of marriage! (I was very vituous then.)

Yes, it must really be a drag for similar institutions to feel that they somehow lurk in the shadow of famous establishments. If there's a solution, it must lie with some honest political initiative, cross-party, where they sit down and realise - no, admit what they already know - that finance for health can't be done on a small/medium scale: there has to be a massive input of money and as that is ever finite, then other ependitures have to be cut, or taxes raised for everyone to sustain the entire show. But above all, they have to be honest and show what the ideal service we all seem to desire will really cost us, collectively. Perhaps a simple, yes/no referendum on that would make sense. ;-)

I write as one of that certain age where hospìtal visits can become as casual to dropping in somewhere for a coffee. Oh well, at least I rapidly lost my fear of hypodermic syringes.

;-(

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 31, 2018, 12:47:21 pm
Rob still working on convincing my Shaman about the Cayman but truth is I can't even convince myself.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 31, 2018, 01:08:47 pm
Could almost be Audrey Fleurot (https://www.glasshouseshop.co.uk/images/uploads/journal/_big/gingeregonschiele.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 31, 2018, 02:03:15 pm
You have a point!

Remove her from the lawyer character that is all I know about her, and she could be very, well, entertaining!

:-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 31, 2018, 02:14:47 pm
The Easter Islander was the second thing I shot at home after lunch; just before lunch I shot one half of the attached image, and immediately after I caught the next part, and then the Island.

People sometimes look for the distinctions between art (as in drawing and painting) and photography. I think that the reality is that a photographer's art is pretty much confined to his ability to recognize, and then subsequently shoot what he sees well enough to stay with his vision as it was, whereas the other person also has that, but the ability to go that essential step beyond, and create a physical work even without a physical presence doing the really heavy lifting.

Anyway, more shadows. I enjoyed my own cooking yesterday, maybe because I was excited by the two-image shot I recognised the day before. Convenient how shadows appear upside down sometimes. Only reason I twigged.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 31, 2018, 02:23:37 pm
Rob still working on convincing my Shaman about the Cayman but truth is I can't even convince myself.


Yep, it was the same before we sold up and moved to Spain: as I think you know, I was inclined to buy a yacht and live on it, cruising and working the Med. Fortunately, Ann was far more perceptive and insisted that any move meant buying another property on land. Thank God for that; I'd have bankrupted us following that whim!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on January 31, 2018, 02:56:05 pm
Pornographic cacti!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on January 31, 2018, 04:29:36 pm
Pornographic cacti!

Thorny issue, but probably grist for some peculiar mills.

All I saw was penumbra acting as a Softar. Told you I loved my 500s!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on February 01, 2018, 10:00:48 am
There's no sense in it at all, Rob: it's sanctimonious virtue signalling. "Oh, sorry, we can't treat your child's cancer: we've had to spend the money replacing the half million we gave back because it made us feel better".

Nothing is simple. Children's cancer research is massively over-funded relative to both its rarity and what you can do about it (it tends to be of genetic origin because, well, children haven't had much time to be exposed to the environment). Pancreatic cancer research is poorly funded and kills almost everyone who gets it... it's much more common, but there are hardly any survivors left to lobby for funding. Breast cancer is hugely funded because survival is very high (but not for all types... sorry Rob) and the lobbying pressure is immense. Lung cancer is poorly funded despite being the most common cancer globally because it's perceived as self-inflicted (probably true in the west, not so much where coal is used for cooking in unventilated kitchens)... and because of the lack of survivors.

So the funds are distributed largely according to feel-good impulses. It's not so surprising that they get re-directed accoding to the mood of the moment.

The other thing you might usefully look at is what percentage of funds actually get to a hospital or a research institute: charity can be very profitable for people putting on the show... and the fact that they choose to support children's cancer rather than say colorectal cancer is itself likely to have been a marketing-driven choice.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: GrahamBy on February 03, 2018, 02:35:51 pm
Reason to not own a Monochrom
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 03, 2018, 03:22:22 pm
Reason to not own a Monochrom

Unless as a spare - or a gift...

:-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on February 03, 2018, 04:11:51 pm
Unless as a spare - or a gift...

:-)

Gifts are always most welcome...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 03, 2018, 06:30:36 pm
Gifts are always most welcome...

Peter

I'm always afraid of them, truth to tell.

Imagine if your rich mistress gave you a beautifully wrapped box at Christmas - or birthday, whichever comes sooner - with a brand new Monoc. inside, and you really wanted an M10, but you had only said you like Leica, sort of in passing, one evening... such things could blow your mind right out of your head. You'd have to smile, and look delighted!

These are the sorts of situations that come to mind when it's late, you are tired, and then when you go to the bedroom you realise you'd forgotten to switch on the electric blanket. Oh well, in another twenty minutes it may be worth risking it. God, it's cold in the office/studio/padded cell!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 03, 2018, 10:35:28 pm
Seeing as we're into M *theory at the moment, here's one from this evening just before sunset. The lens is a Zeiss Jena 50/1.5 Sonnar in Leica Thread Mount. The serial number dates it to ~1946, but who knows exactly when the parts were made. It could even be a later Soviet fake (though likely not for a number of different reasons, foremost that it focuses accurately throughout its range on Leicas but doesn't do so on Soviet LTM cameras). At f/1.5 you can't let your subject stray far from frame center…not an issue here.  :)

-Dave-

*No, not M-theory (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 04, 2018, 05:15:39 am
That's got a lovely glow within the trunk, which I would have expected to be cold and forbidding instead! Very nice shape to everything, but I'm left with a mystery to ponder: from whence the green light? Is it a traffic light suspended on a w¡re I don't see; is it an exotic winter butterfly?

Stringing along with M-Theory: now you understand why I don't take naturally to computers; as with those, my eyes glaze over and it's got nothing to do with physical eyesight problems.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 04, 2018, 03:18:44 pm
That's got a lovely glow within the trunk, which I would have expected to be cold and forbidding instead! Very nice shape to everything, but I'm left with a mystery to ponder: from whence the green light? Is it a traffic light suspended on a w¡re I don't see; is it an exotic winter butterfly?

The lens has a unique color signature: it tends to make warm colors warmer still and cool colors cooler. It's sharp enough wide open in the center but without the razor-y quality of modern optics. My friend Bruce had it on loan for ages…I fetched it back a few days ago.

The green light is a mystery: no matter how carefully I focus it's always fuzzy.

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Stringing along with M-Theory: now you understand why I don't take naturally to computers; as with those, my eyes glaze over and it's got nothing to do with physical eyesight problems.

My physicist friend Kate has in this case much the same reaction.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 05, 2018, 04:16:31 pm
Not to belabor the subject too much (I hope): this is basically the same photo as the earlier one (previous page here) but from a couple hours ago and taken with a 90mm lens at f/2 to help get rid of traffic light distraction while keeping other distractions from creeping in at the frame edges. (I'm rationalizing…the tree trunk makes a good target for keeping up my RF focusing chops given the thoroughly blah weather we're having and my increasing boredom with indoor targets.) Newer lens design too: 1970s (made in 1991) rather than '30s! Different lighting than the earlier pic, but '70s Leitz lenses do have a more green-tilted rendering than Zeiss Jenas.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 06, 2018, 04:25:37 am
Not to belabor the subject too much (I hope): this is basically the same photo as the earlier one (previous page here) but from a couple hours ago and taken with a 90mm lens at f/2 to help get rid of traffic light distraction while keeping other distractions from creeping in at the frame edges. (I'm rationalizing…the tree trunk makes a good target for keeping up my RF focusing chops given the thoroughly blah weather we're having and my increasing boredom with indoor targets.) Newer lens design too: 1970s (made in 1991) rather than '30s! Different lighting than the earlier pic, but '70s Leitz lenses do have a more green-tilted rendering than Zeiss Jenas.

-Dave-

Why did you feel the red light to be a distraction?

If anything, I think it added a lovely counterpoint of life to an otherwise cold and gloomy landscape: just by its local warmth it set off the rest of the wintry emotion.

This second shot is more the basis of a heavy catapult. I've been thinking a lot about catapults recently. Regression, I guess.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 06, 2018, 03:43:44 pm
Why did you feel the red light to be a distraction?

If anything, I think it added a lovely counterpoint of life to an otherwise cold and gloomy landscape: just by its local warmth it set off the rest of the wintry emotion.

Oh, I didn't really…thus my "rationalizing" comment. Once I noticed the streetlight was in the frame I even waited for it to turn.  :)  (Not red but green. Not stop but go.)

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This second shot is more the basis of a heavy catapult. I've been thinking a lot about catapults recently. Regression, I guess.

Yep, the second pic is just a bullseyed focus test. Fine detail near the edge of what my eyes and the camera's RF can accurately discern. After my dad sawed off the now-missing limb (20+ years ago) he joked that he'd be able to string up a bungee rig during winter and shoot snowballs at passing cars.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 06, 2018, 05:02:36 pm
Oh, I didn't really…thus my "rationalizing" comment. Once I noticed the streetlight was in the frame I even waited for it to turn.  :)  (Not red but green. Not stop but go.)

Yep, the second pic is just a bullseyed focus test. Fine detail near the edge of what my eyes and the camera's RF can accurately discern. After my dad sawed off the now-missing limb (20+ years ago) he joked that he'd be able to string up a bungee rig during winter and shoot snowballs at passing cars.  :D

-Dave-

You see? Great minds think alike!

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on February 09, 2018, 12:29:10 pm
This one imposed itself on me, somehow. And I got reminded on this thread.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on February 09, 2018, 02:21:15 pm
As Russ would say, "I was there." And happy just to be so. A full day after storm winds have subsided, the big rollers still crash on the rocks.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: churly on February 10, 2018, 04:27:30 pm
Sheep Crossing.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on February 11, 2018, 09:17:14 am
One day i'll go there, check that there are no stupid cars in sight, then set up my camera on a tripod and myself on a folding chair, deadsmackinthemiddleoftheroad (motorized traffic isn't really allowed there, don't worry), and then i'll just wait... and wait...

Until then you'll just have to ignore the car.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on February 11, 2018, 09:31:13 am
Meanwhile grandma is wondering what all the fuzz is about with some idiot below  deadsmackinthemiddleoftheroad on a folding chair. She's clearly the square type...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 11, 2018, 01:10:29 pm
Until then you'll just have to ignore the car.
Or you could just clone it out with an hour or two in PhotoShop.   ;)

P.S. Square Granny is very nice; no cloning needed.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Richowens on February 11, 2018, 01:57:52 pm

  Car?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 11, 2018, 04:36:18 pm
One day i'll go there, check that there are no stupid cars in sight, then set up my camera on a tripod and myself on a folding chair, deadsmackinthemiddleoftheroad (motorized traffic isn't really allowed there, don't worry), and then i'll just wait... and wait...

Until then you'll just have to ignore the car.

You're kidding: the car mates with the colours on the right and sits just right with the woman with the backlit hair, which is always nice to watch.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 11, 2018, 04:41:54 pm
But the woman with the backlit hair is much prettier than the car.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 12, 2018, 04:36:58 am
But the woman with the backlit hair is much prettier than the car.

Only because the car is not a '59 Coupe de Ville. In black.

https://www.google.es/search?dcr=0&source=hp&ei=ol-BWpyLFoGqU4Pxp4gO&q=cadillac+coupe+deville+1959&oq=cadillac+coup&gs_l=psy-ab.1.7.0l10.1338.5942.0.10830.13.9.0.4.4.0.107.819.6j3.9.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.13.828...0i131k1.0.dxJJ36rRL7I

Women in a hurry cause me great anxiety. No, I don't know why.

:-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 13, 2018, 06:42:59 am
Snow shower over Somerset
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on February 13, 2018, 07:44:36 am
Snow shower over Somerset

A masterpiece!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 13, 2018, 08:00:24 am
Good one!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 13, 2018, 08:41:59 am
A masterpiece!

Wow. I wasn't expecting that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 13, 2018, 10:17:48 am
Cool, Bill, in both senses!

We have snow on the local mountain behind Pollensa, and the highest peak on the island, Puig Mayor at circa 1400 metres, is well-covered half-way down.

I used to do brochure photography for so-called Winter Sunshine holidays out here... if anyone tried to go topless on the beach these recent winters they'd both fall right off.

No friggin' space rocket gonna fix that any time soon!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 13, 2018, 05:29:46 pm
A sadist's delight. Masochists would probably like it too.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 14, 2018, 08:35:09 am
A sadist's delight. Masochists would probably like it too.


But definitely not M Mono owners. The pain spots were pink on a medium grey, and without the use of the built-in colours I could never have separated/accentuated them; in fact, it was quite a tough gig getting them to register that differently to the normal flesh colours.

The more tools natively available the better, I think.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 16, 2018, 05:20:35 pm
A matter of scale
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on February 16, 2018, 05:44:37 pm
One from this evening
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 18, 2018, 05:22:24 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on February 18, 2018, 05:53:35 pm
Nice one, Armand!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 18, 2018, 06:14:16 pm
Thanks! You might recognize it, it's Chicago.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 18, 2018, 06:25:55 pm
Photographers at work
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on February 19, 2018, 09:40:13 am
A Good Morning...

Peter

Color version here  http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=123312.0
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 19, 2018, 10:20:31 am
A Good Morning...

Peter

Peter, you are so in tune!

That's the sort of thing that provides personal joy when we catch it.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on February 19, 2018, 10:50:45 am
Peter, you are so in tune!

That's the sort of thing that provides personal joy when we catch it.

Rob

Thanks Rob, I greatly appreciate that.

Peter

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 19, 2018, 12:01:00 pm
I love it, too, Peter. But in this case even I prefer the warmth of the color version (I say as a died in the wool B&W fan).

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 19, 2018, 12:25:27 pm
found these while looking around many years ago
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 19, 2018, 10:53:11 pm
Few panoramas from Iceland
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on February 20, 2018, 06:41:22 am
I love it, too, Peter. But in this case even I prefer the warmth of the color version (I say as a died in the wool B&W fan).

Eric

Eric,
I agree all the way. I convert all my photos that I use for reference for Painting. The value is more important, and alowes me to freely  use color in a more creative manner.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 20, 2018, 09:31:14 pm
the road to perdition
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 21, 2018, 03:17:19 pm
My weird maple tree has finally lost most of its leaves. The catalyst was the 12" of wet snow we got early last week…all melted as of last evening thanks to the late March weather we're now having.

Pic taken with an 80+ year-old Zeiss 35/4.5 Orthometar, dating from when a 35mm lens in the 135 format was wide. One of less than 1700 made. It's just okay optically, though it way outperforms its f/2.8 Biogon sibling when used in front of sensors. The Biogon is a superior lens with film, but on the A7rii the Ortho's shallow rear exit pupil means much less filter-stack-induced corner smearing. 16:9 aspect ratio per my usual with this camera. From the monochrome in-camera JPEG.

Second pic also taken this afternoon…a variant on one I posted about a month ago.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on February 22, 2018, 04:25:41 am
the road to perdition

A road to nowhere! Perfect illustration.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 22, 2018, 03:43:39 pm
More larking about in my front yard, this time in 3:2 color with the A7rii and a Zeiss 85/4 Triotar. The lens is the 1950s coated & recomputed version. Both it and its pre-WWII fraternal twin are reputed to be soft-ish, but I haven't found that to be true. Both versions are, however, flare prone. In fact there's a touch of blue ghosting in this pic, in the shadows near the top left corner. (It's more visible in the straight RAW conversion.) The paramedic truck is a distraction but it gives you a more complete look at the camera/lens combo's color response.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 22, 2018, 05:40:24 pm
Alternative maths.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 23, 2018, 12:40:03 am
Alternative maths.
I think you've finally captured the Essential Formula of the Universe, Rob!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 23, 2018, 05:59:48 am
I think you've finally captured the Essential Formula of the Universe, Rob!

The answer is always 42
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 23, 2018, 07:02:06 am

The answer is always 42

Not from this morning, when I supplied the 43rd to Erik K in another thread about sexual politics. (Can one write that today?)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on February 23, 2018, 09:37:37 am
Metal bridge, from 1905, recently restored. Used to bridge a train-track which has been dismantled during the late 70s. The tracé is still open and visible though as a hiking and biking route, and on some parts the tracks are even in place. It's interesting since I had seen tracks on several occasions and wondered about the backgroundstory. Just recently found out about the bridge and curiosity getting the better of me I went to have a look. I can feel a project emerging from the deepest cellars of my mind...

It's dark admittedly, but I like the dark, moody, wintery feel of it. Seems appropriate for this type of history.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 23, 2018, 02:12:45 pm
Metal bridge, from 1905, recently restored. Used to bridge a train-track which has been dismantled during the late 70s. The tracé is still open and visible though as a hiking and biking route, and on some parts the tracks are even in place. It's interesting since I had seen tracks on several occasions and wondered about the backgroundstory. Just recently found out about the bridge and curiosity getting the better of me I went to have a look. I can feel a project emerging from the deepest cellars of my mind...

It's dark admittedly, but I like the dark, moody, wintery feel of it. Seems appropriate for this type of history.


Dark indeed, and makes me think of WW2.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on February 23, 2018, 02:24:07 pm
Good stuff, Oscar.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 23, 2018, 03:44:34 pm
Remnant of crusader fortress, northern Israel, ~July 1984.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on February 24, 2018, 09:34:01 am
(http://www.roma57.com/uploads/4/2/8/7/4287956/d-3274_orig.jpg)

Rob

Yes, that's a cool picture.

The spamfilters over here seem to be more effective though...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 24, 2018, 09:57:23 am
Both good ones, Rob and Oscar.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 24, 2018, 12:20:55 pm
Yes, that's a cool picture.

The spamfilters over here seem to be more effective though...

Yes, and the location graphics are better, too!

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 24, 2018, 05:56:30 pm
Pause to catch my breath during postprandial exercise tribulations. At least there was no postprandial hypotension that sometimes bites my ass!

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 24, 2018, 07:38:29 pm
Not like your usual, but I like it.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 25, 2018, 04:35:49 am
Not like your usual, but I like it.

Eric


Ah Eric, I have to admit the exercise was really a screen for another mermaid hunt. Guess it was just too cold for 'em to risk breaking surface. Maybe I'll find one (probaby stuffed) in a window back in the old town.

As it feels so damned cold these days, perhaps I should really be in Amsterdam where the windows may be more rewarding.

;-(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on February 25, 2018, 11:20:57 am
Dinner's ready...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on February 25, 2018, 12:02:59 pm
This is not the correct atmosphere and I would like to shift the vantagepoint slightly, but it serves to illustrate that hints of the rails from the track mentioned earlier still exist in certain locations. Here they are part of a road. This is the location where I first became aware of its existence and wondered whether there was some larger significance to it. The first thing that came to mind is that it may have been in use as one of the routes from camp Westerbork.

Which perhaps explains why I'm seeking a dark, moody, wintery rendition. The WW2 reference mentioned by Rob then seemed quite appropriate to me.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 25, 2018, 02:55:13 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 25, 2018, 05:30:50 pm
"Experience Of The Dachau Camp" by a Mr. Apelbaum. (Can't make out his first name.) This was on display at an exhibit in Jerusalem my then girlfriend & I attended with our friends Yehezkel and Dalia Landau in late 1984.

Dalia later wrote *inspired a terrific book, The Lemon Tree, centered on the house she grew up in and the people who had previously lived there.

-Dave-

*Defective memory on my part. The Lemon Tree was written by Sandy Tolan, but the initial spark for the book was an article written by Dalia and published in The Jerusalem Post in 1988.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 25, 2018, 05:31:05 pm
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Interesting; if you look at the thumbnail on a tiny screen, you can get the distinct idea that you are actually looking at a fashion shot of a woman wearing a fur coat.

Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 25, 2018, 05:33:53 pm
This is not the correct atmosphere and I would like to shift the vantagepoint slightly, but it serves to illustrate that hints of the rails from the track mentioned earlier still exist in certain locations. Here they are part of a road. This is the location where I first became aware of its existence and wondered whether there was some larger significance to it. The first thing that came to mind is that it may have been in use as one of the routes from camp Westerbork.

Which perhaps explains why I'm seeking a dark, moody, wintery rendition. The WW2 reference mentioned by Rob then seemed quite appropriate to me.

Didn't you believe in ghosts?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 25, 2018, 05:53:51 pm
Seeing as I do often photograph people (though very seldom post those pics online) here's one: Yehezkel (see previous post), some time in 1984, conducting one of his semi-impromptu discussion sessions on whatever was on his mind that afternoon. Taken on Ektachrome 200, which has held up very well over time.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on February 25, 2018, 08:09:13 pm
"Experience Of The Dachau Camp" by a Mr. Apelbaum. (Can't make out his first name.) This was on display at an exhibit in Jerusalem my then girlfriend & I attended with our friends Yehezkel and Dalia Landau in late 1984.

Dalia later wrote a terrific book, The Lemon Tree, centered on the house she grew up in and the people who had previously lived there.

-Dave-

I visited camp Dachau once. Interestingly enough that day the camp was occupied by refugees. No, I'm not kidding. They had decided to open the gates only 10 minutes each hour, the remaining 50 minutes the gates were locked. It was a beautiful, sunny day and apart from the horrid history the camp is actually like a well kept commemoration park. So by the time we were ready to leave, the gates were still closed and we sat on the grass to wait for the 10 minute window.

There was a weird sense of irony in watching some of the tourists protesting to the refugees and fulminating about their right to leave.

Not to mention the method of weedcontrol. I kid you not, think about this sentence for a bit:
In camp Dachau, gaspowered burners were the preferred method of weedcontrol...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on February 26, 2018, 03:27:04 am
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It's a wonderful waterfall, Armand. Less snowy than when I was there.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 26, 2018, 03:48:18 pm
I visited camp Dachau once. Interestingly enough that day the camp was occupied by refugees. No, I'm not kidding. They had decided to open the gates only 10 minutes each hour, the remaining 50 minutes the gates were locked. It was a beautiful, sunny day and apart from the horrid history the camp is actually like a well kept commemoration park. So by the time we were ready to leave, the gates were still closed and we sat on the grass to wait for the 10 minute window.

There was a weird sense of irony in watching some of the tourists protesting to the refugees and fulminating about their right to leave.

Not to mention the method of weedcontrol. I kid you not, think about this sentence for a bit:
In camp Dachau, gaspowered burners were the preferred method of weedcontrol...

I've never been to Dachau but I know a man who survived it. Still sharp at age 89! Juli (my girlfriend at the time) and I visited Westerbork in spring 1985 on our journey from the Middle East back to her home in Heidelberg.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 26, 2018, 03:56:31 pm
After days of rain & gloom the sun reappeared this morning. As did the usual refuse on my lawn.  :)  Pic via a 1937 Zeiss Jena 85/2 Sonnar. Uncoated, nickel-plated brass construction, silky smooth operation.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 26, 2018, 04:00:41 pm
Another one from my front lawn early this afternoon.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 26, 2018, 06:02:37 pm

Interesting; if you look at the thumbnail on a tiny screen, you can get the distinct idea that you are actually looking at a fashion shot of a woman wearing a fur coat.

Rob.

I admit I fail to see it.

It's a wonderful waterfall, Armand. Less snowy than when I was there.

Jeremy

It's good that you recognize it, they all look the same to me  ;D
While I got some snow in the Reykjavik area in the southern part, Vik to Glacier lagoon, there wasn't much as it rained quite a lot.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on February 26, 2018, 11:07:18 pm
Into the darkness
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 27, 2018, 05:01:01 am
I admit I fail to see it.



She's standing there, body facing a bit to the left, her head at the top of the falls, her hands in her pockets, as the fur coat falls right down to the bottom of the picture. The lapels of the coat are close together as her arms and hands hug the coat close. If it helps, the shot would have been made with a wide-angle lens and from about knee height.

I can't stop seeing it!

I made you a copy just now, with the shape outlined in black, but my PS tells me it's the wrong kind of file and so I don't know how to post it, so I dumped it.

;-(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Richowens on February 27, 2018, 11:32:07 am
 That is one tall lady.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on February 27, 2018, 12:51:11 pm
That is one tall lady.

On my thumbnail, she's a midget!

As suggested, she's more visible in a minor key.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on February 27, 2018, 07:17:30 pm
Tonight's Moon. First time I've seen it after sunset in awhile!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on February 28, 2018, 07:27:03 am
Apologies, but it's too cold to go outside and take some decent shots.

leafy seadragon
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 01, 2018, 04:02:39 pm
Yesterday's high temperature was 62° F. This is the view from my driveway ~1 hour ago.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 01, 2018, 04:07:38 pm
Yesterday's high temperature was 62° F. This is the view from my driveway ~1 hour ago.

-Dave-

Michigan, right?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 01, 2018, 04:16:29 pm
Here is in SW Michigan 2 weeks ago, 24 hours apart
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 01, 2018, 04:28:25 pm
Michigan, right?

Yup! South thumb side.  ;)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 01, 2018, 05:45:06 pm
Iceland, few minutes apart
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 01, 2018, 08:55:59 pm
A fine set.

They could be any wild, wintry place, not necessarily Iceland.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 02, 2018, 02:07:15 pm
Old promises.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 03, 2018, 12:52:40 am
In light of Gibson's possible near-future restructuring, or buyout, or even liquidation…I decided to pounce on one of the lesser known '70s models I've always liked just in case prices on all older Gibbies go up. It's a 1971 Les Paul Recording model. Ironically the LP model favored by Les himself, with electronics and switching designed by him, is also among the least favored by most guitar players. This has nothing to do with the guitar itself and much to do with its "too complex" reputation.

It's one of the stupider aspects of guitar culture that the same people who zoom around effortlessly within the labyrinthine interfaces of digital effects gizmos usually go glassy-eyed with confusion when faced with a guitar featuring anything beyond volume & tone knobs and a pickup selector switch. But this can work to your (that is, my) benefit when seeking out certain high end, small batch instruments with extra features that really should cost far more in the used marketplace than they do. I nearly bought one back in 2001 but then decided not to 'cuz it was so heavy. This one is light for a Les Paul: ~8.25 lbs. It's made from the last of the easily & cheaply available old growth Honduras mahogany. The body is just two slabs of nicely grained wood glued together pancake style. The neck is made from three pieces rather than the traditional single piece…Gibson was already starting to use their wood supply more smartly.

The pickups are an early example of the stacked humbucker design: two coils with the second placed atop the first, wound and wired up for hum-cancelling operation. Each coil has ~600 turns of 28 gauge wire. This is weird for guitar pickups, which are normally wound with far more turns of far thinner wire. But the result is a snappy, punchy, full-frequency sound. Which also contributes to the guitar's lack of popularity: the stereotypical Les Paul sound is about mellow high end, thick midrange and somewhat loose bass. The LP Recording, in comparison, sounds more like a Telecaster.  :D

Anyway, I've had this one for a few days and really like it. Beyond the basic tonality there's lotsa subtle tonal shading available via those knobs & switches.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Richowens on March 03, 2018, 01:51:43 am
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Art/Childs-Play/i-M2cdhZG/1/5afd01fb/L/_DSC3975-L.jpg)


  Just hanging out.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 03, 2018, 05:27:42 pm
This was a popular disco in the 80s.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 03, 2018, 06:15:11 pm
This was a popular disco in the 80s.

An Incredibly ominous image...the stars

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 04, 2018, 05:26:11 am
An Incredibly ominous image...the stars

Peter

Yeah, it just grabbed me the instant I was walking alongside it. It was inevitable death in plain sight, present and future.

Really, that's why I think it so unrealistic to go out with a camera with the intention of making a statement of some sort: I think one is best served just acknowledging that statement whenever it's heard.

Thanks for the nod!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 05, 2018, 12:06:39 pm
Into the light
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 05, 2018, 12:40:52 pm
A Hasselfake from the weekend  :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 05, 2018, 05:31:53 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on March 05, 2018, 10:24:26 pm
Into the light
Now this is surreal.

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 06, 2018, 12:33:01 am
Now this is surreal.

JR
Indeed.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 06, 2018, 09:28:28 am
Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on March 06, 2018, 09:40:48 am
Wonderful shot, Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 06, 2018, 10:18:58 am
You already published that one, Rob, like 3 pages ago...!?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 06, 2018, 10:53:21 am
Another part of the track, where the track is still visible. At this point they used to have one or two old engines parked for a future restoration project that never materialised. They are no longer there. The bright beam at the top middle of the image is the continuation of the route. Need to figure out a way to make that more prominent in a final composition.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 06, 2018, 12:40:20 pm
You already published that one, Rob, like 3 pages ago...!?


Shit!

I used to have a notebook with a list of images already shown, but no idea where it went. Probably took too much time looking through it...

Or, more likely, it's an age thing. Anyway, I've taken it off in order to protect the last showing.

:-(

Here's another bit of age thing:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 06, 2018, 02:41:01 pm
Since my last snow-ish pic we've had a complete melt and then a fresh batch, which is itself nearly gone now. The pothole gods are lovin' it. Via a 1966 Soviet Jupiter-8M, a *clone of the pre-WWII Zeiss Jena 50/2 Sonnar. The aperture ring features evenly spaced full-stop detents, IMO an improvement on the originals.

-Dave-

*Clone may be understating the situation, as there's a good chance the lens was made with at least some of the original Zeiss machining & calibrating equipment.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 07, 2018, 12:47:59 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 07, 2018, 02:02:18 pm
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Nonchalant!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 07, 2018, 05:04:32 pm
Nonchalant!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 07, 2018, 05:04:55 pm
The end
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 09, 2018, 02:10:51 pm
This reminded me that I once bought a langur.

Not a lot of people has done that; not a lot of people has been that dumb.

:-(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 09, 2018, 04:18:23 pm
older stuff
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 10, 2018, 03:09:49 am
This reminded me that I once bought a langur.

Not a lot of people has done that; not a lot of people has been that dumb.

:-(

I know this is slowly turning into a comment on your own mortality, but you're now capturing a silhouetted shadow of yourself with a cross...

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2018, 03:53:32 am
I know this is slowly turning into a comment on your own mortality, but you're now capturing a silhouetted shadow of yourself with a cross...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1OgNqBkVE

I know.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2018, 04:10:00 am
Our man in Havana.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 10, 2018, 11:03:21 am
Leaves
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 10, 2018, 05:18:40 pm
Winter lingers on.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on March 10, 2018, 05:46:54 pm
Our man in Havana.

That's looking.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 10, 2018, 05:57:12 pm
That's looking.

Also, that's the pleasure of the gifts that exist out there for us to enjoy; were they not there, it would require a studio and more visual imagination and patience than I think myself to possess.

I think it is Friedlander said pretty much just that, but better.

:-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 11, 2018, 10:02:49 am
Essential instructions.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 11, 2018, 12:18:21 pm
But save the daylight 'cuz Spring is Coming.

Edit: replaced both pics with re-cropped versions. So it goes when you initially process & post photos immediately after taking 'em.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 11, 2018, 03:45:49 pm
Rest
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on March 11, 2018, 04:29:47 pm
The cranes are here. I wasn't prepared, nor ready ... :-(

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4783/39858032835_658c27e5d0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23J7QwF)Ungeheuerwiesen (https://flic.kr/p/23J7QwF) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 11, 2018, 09:20:01 pm
The cranes are here. I wasn't prepared, nor ready ... :-(

In recent years some of the sandhill cranes in my locale have stopped migrating. Last time I was at my fav trail-walking park, in late January, I saw a pair hanging out near the park's nature center. Lotsa people give 'em food despite all the Please Don't Feed The Cranes signs. They've become very tolerant of human presence…except during spring when they've got vulnerable young. A few years ago I got chased away by a honking parent when one of her/his "colts" (that's what they're called, in English anyway) strayed too close to where I was standing & watching.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 12, 2018, 06:14:13 am
But save the daylight 'cuz Spring is Coming.

Edit: replaced both pics with re-cropped versions. So it goes when you initially process & post photos immediately after taking 'em.  :)

-Dave-

I like the atmosphere a lot.

You display (in both pix) a positive attitude that I would immediately have felt compelled to crush by converting into black/white and then taking into the realms of threat and foreboding.

This seems, to me anyway, to illustrate that the subject, per se, can be the least important aspect of an image; that it often serves just as springboard to whatever else if cooking deep inside the mind.

Perhaps that's why I believe that hand-of-man subjects are more relevant to personal photography than nature's freebies. Man-made enables the base usurping of the object by the photographer as a second step along the path of connections between people. I feel no connection whatsoever with a redwood nor even an oak. I find a powerful connection, however, with a '59 Coupe de Ville, despìte never owning not having the most remote chance of owning one, but none at all with an equally distant Ferrari, yet I find both beautiful.

In other words, perhaps hand-of-man ultimately encourages searches of the soul. For those who suspect we have no such thing as a soul, what in the name of all that's good do you search in your private moments?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 12, 2018, 06:28:38 am
I haven't posted here for a long time, don't know why.

Here's one from a while back:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/201404/i-Tpp268t/0/ad0fceec/O/PEG_Nex6_1_04127_20140402.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201404/i-Tpp268t/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 12, 2018, 07:32:00 am
I haven't posted here for a long time, don't know why.

Here's one from a while back:

Ha, perfect!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 12, 2018, 09:49:10 am
Ha, perfect!


Perfect? A disgrace!

Why was the gig given to a woman when there are dozens of male models perfectly willing to model absolutely anything at all?

A blatant case of sexual discrimination and, worse, an insult to the innocent passer-by (now forced forever to feel threatened, possibly embarrassed and mocked for her natural, highly unretouched avoirdupois), through the brash, insensitive visual comparison that only a chauvinist pig could have made! Where the Me2 and Porc-eaters when you need one?

But a damned nice picture nonetheless.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 12, 2018, 05:10:40 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 12, 2018, 05:11:05 pm
I like the atmosphere a lot.

You display (in both pix) a positive attitude that I would immediately have felt compelled to crush by converting into black/white and then taking into the realms of threat and foreboding.

This seems, to me anyway, to illustrate that the subject, per se, can be the least important aspect of an image; that it often serves just as springboard to whatever else if cooking deep inside the mind.

Perhaps that's why I believe that hand-of-man subjects are more relevant to personal photography than nature's freebies. Man-made enables the base usurping of the object by the photographer as a second step along the path of connections between people. I feel no connection whatsoever with a redwood nor even an oak. I find a powerful connection, however, with a '59 Coupe de Ville, despìte never owning not having the most remote chance of owning one, but none at all with an equally distant Ferrari, yet I find both beautiful.

In other words, perhaps hand-of-man ultimately encourages searches of the soul. For those who suspect we have no such thing as a soul, what in the name of all that's good do you search in your private moments?

I rarely take a photograph with a concept already in mind. It's why my subject matter tends to be scattered, especially in this thread where I'm often posting shortly after snapping. Stuff that wouldn't make the cut with a more considered edit can get through.  ;)  If I see something that catches my eye and I have a camera handy, I'll use the camera to examine it more closely. Paying closer attention to my surroundings, seeing more precisely, is what I'm after. In this trees and Caddies are equal game.

I think of the "soul" as the aggregate of the participants in one's internal dialogue. If so a "soulless" person is one who lacks the capacity for self-scrutiny and -reflection. I *notice in myself a strong cautious inner voice, a more reticent dark one (check out an essay or two in John Gray's book Straw Dogs for an idea of what this voice sounds like) and a strong sanguine voice. The latter one seems to have solid control over my visual cortex.  :)  I was in Jerusalem on the first day of the first Palestinian intifada in late 1987. Took many photos that day, yet few indicating anything unusual going on, even as rocks were flying and tires were burning. I'd make a crap battle photographer.

-Dave-

*There must be at least four inner participants then, including the one noticing & evaluating the other three.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 12, 2018, 10:42:54 pm
Just finished restringing a guitar I'm breaking in for a friend of a friend. It's a Collings 290, one of a number of current small-batch instruments that earn the "better Gibson than a Gibson" reputation. It's based on the Les Paul TV model from the 1950s, which featured the same "limed mahogany" finish commonly used at the time on TV & HiFi cabinets. It's owner, new to electric guitars, wanted me to make sure everything was in order. Not that I've had to do anything other than put on his strings of choice…it's a Collings! The wraparound bridge (pictured) even has a functional intonation pattern. You'll see it if you know what I mean.  ;)  Because of this the guitar plays nicely in tune up & down the neck, unlike most of the originals I've tried out.

The 290 name comes from the guitar's two P-90 pickups and also from US-290 in Texas. (Collings is located in Austin.) These particular P-90s are made by Harry Häussel in Germany and are both strong and clear. The guitar is light & resonant and plays & sounds terrific. I'm jealous.

Photo taken with a 1950s Zeiss-Opton 50/1.5 Sonnar at f/2.8, mounted on a Sony A7rii via a lovely Yeenon adapter with a built-in focusing helical. The Yeenon allows much closer focusing than do the old Contax rangefinder cameras: ~40cm. Focusing action is very smooth. And the focus ring turns in the proper Leica/Canon direction rather than the backwards Contax/Nikon/Pentax one.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 13, 2018, 04:26:05 am

Perfect? A disgrace!

Why was the gig given to a woman when there are dozens of male models perfectly willing to model absolutely anything at all?

A blatant case of sexual discrimination and, worse, an insult to the innocent passer-by (now forced forever to feel threatened, possibly embarrassed and mocked for her natural, highly unretouched avoirdupois), through the brash, insensitive visual comparison that only a chauvinist pig could have made! Where the Me2 and Porc-eaters when you need one?

But a damned nice picture nonetheless.

You said it yourself Rob: in photography we can only depict reality, and if we consider it a little longer, the truth can never be politically correct now, can it?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 13, 2018, 07:25:12 am
I rarely take a photograph with a concept already in mind. It's why my subject matter tends to be scattered, especially in this thread where I'm often posting shortly after snapping. Stuff that wouldn't make the cut with a more considered edit can get through.  ;)  If I see something that catches my eye and I have a camera handy, I'll use the camera to examine it more closely. Paying closer attention to my surroundings, seeing more precisely, is what I'm after. In this trees and Caddies are equal game.

I think of the "soul" as the aggregate of the participants in one's internal dialogue. If so a "soulless" person is one who lacks the capacity for self-scrutiny and -reflection. I *notice in myself a strong cautious inner voice, a more reticent dark one (check out an essay or two in John Gray's book Straw Dogs for an idea of what this voice sounds like) and a strong sanguine voice. The latter one seems to have solid control over my visual cortex.  :)  I was in Jerusalem on the first day of the first Palestinian intifada in late 1987. Took many photos that day, yet few indicating anything unusual going on, even as rocks were flying and tires were burning. I'd make a crap battle photographer.

-Dave-

*There must be at least four inner participants then, including the one noticing & evaluating the other three.


Dave, things are worse (or should that be better?) than you suspected: there's also a powerfully Freudian one at work: have your collective ids and egos not noted the fascination with orifices, naturally sealed and thus frustrating, within your recent photography of the family tree out there, both in fair weather and foul?

But in direct contradiction (or is it culmination of a subliminal fear?) your musical interest resides in holeless(?) electronic instruments that ape those other, naturally functioning ones with holes. This is very interesting, and not just in the Rowan and Martin sense of interesting. Or is it in precisely that sense of interesting?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 13, 2018, 08:04:03 am
Marilyn; what a pretty name. First came across it in school, where it was borne by the daughter of a Canadian missionary. The next time, it was in Photoplay, where it had nothing to do with missionaries of any kind.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on March 13, 2018, 08:38:26 am
Great catch, Rob. Besides being significant, street's fun.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 13, 2018, 09:28:36 am
Great catch, Rob. Besides being significant, street's fun.

Thanks; yes, it is indeed a great reason for owning cameras from which one no longer expects any financial return! In my own case, I get a lot of pleasure from coming up with titles that pop into my mind.

That they do, that they are obviously triggered by something other than the placing of names in a hat, gives me a feeling that there is more in what the eye sees, that the ear hears, that can easily be explained. So apart from the obvious visual buzz that snaps give me, I enjoy (sometimes) the further revelations of myself that I discover through them.

How delighfully complex the world beyond the door through which photography leads us!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 13, 2018, 10:06:13 am
...where it had nothing to do with missionaries of any kind.

Depends on the position one takes (on the issue) ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 13, 2018, 11:52:13 am
Sometimes my two hobbies collide  8)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/201803/i-TjDBKcb/0/24f57ac4/XL/PEG_NEX5_1_07680_20180309-XL.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201803/i-TjDBKcb/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 13, 2018, 12:16:42 pm
Depends on the position one takes (on the issue) ;)

Alas, poor Marilyn, I never knew her well...

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 13, 2018, 12:19:11 pm
Sometimes my two hobbies collide  8)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/201803/i-TjDBKcb/0/24f57ac4/XL/PEG_NEX5_1_07680_20180309-XL.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Other/201803/i-TjDBKcb/A)

So, does an embouchure work better with medium or small formats?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 13, 2018, 02:40:22 pm
Dave, things are worse (or should that be better?) than you suspected: there's also a powerfully Freudian one at work: have your collective ids and egos not noted the fascination with orifices, naturally sealed and thus frustrating, within your recent photography of the family tree out there, both in fair weather and foul?

But in direct contradiction (or is it culmination of a subliminal fear?) your musical interest resides in holeless(?) electronic instruments that ape those other, naturally functioning ones with holes. This is very interesting, and not just in the Rowan and Martin sense of interesting. Or is it in precisely that sense of interesting?

;D  Are the things we project onto others not inevitably the very things we wish to avoid seeing in ourselves? (That's a paraphrase of someone, I think…)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 13, 2018, 02:52:35 pm
So, does an embouchure work better with medium or small formats?

Rob
I thought that was obvious, small formats of course ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 13, 2018, 04:41:21 pm
;D  Are the things we project onto others not inevitably the very things we wish to avoid seeing in ourselves? (That's a paraphrase of someone, I think…)

-Dave-


Not a parrot phrase at all: a deep, psychological study of photographers at large, methinks. Well, sometimes.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 13, 2018, 06:59:30 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on March 14, 2018, 02:05:31 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 14, 2018, 02:23:17 pm
You just wish you could get on some trains, but unfortunately that's not always possible

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Meet-16Oct2010-Naarden/i-9bkhRC6/0/a04a6b19/O/PEG_A700_12220_20101017.jpg) (https://pegelli.smugmug.com/Events/Dyxum-Meet-16Oct2010-Naarden/i-9bkhRC6/A)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 14, 2018, 03:29:51 pm
In keeping with today's mono vibe…from my yard earlier this afternoon.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 15, 2018, 10:19:56 am
For the birds.

Rob

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on March 15, 2018, 11:28:32 am
Another good grab, Rob. You make me strain at the bit and want to get out and do that kind of shooting. Instead I'm gonna have to shoot a play's dress rehearsal on Sunday. I enjoy doing that, but it's not the same kind of enjoyment as street is.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 15, 2018, 12:21:57 pm
Another good grab, Rob. You make me strain at the bit and want to get out and do that kind of shooting. Instead I'm gonna have to shoot a play's dress rehearsal on Sunday. I enjoy doing that, but it's not the same kind of enjoyment as street is.

I understand only too well.

I'm almost dizzy trawling this little coastal resort looking for stuff that will have vanished come the clean-up, and summer's tourist crush. I crave the rush of a city and its constantly renewed landscape of motifs and people and the signs of life. Realistically, though, the real estate economy appears to indicate that I will end my days here instead. Could certainly be a lot worse: at least I have a home!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on March 15, 2018, 01:52:01 pm
I was up very early this morning, couldn't sleep ...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4771/26957737888_0fb4f08e1e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H5ashh)Dawn (https://flic.kr/p/H5ashh) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 15, 2018, 02:52:15 pm
I was up very early this morning, couldn't sleep ...

Is that your window? The one with the light on?   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on March 15, 2018, 03:18:00 pm
Is that your window? The one with the light on?   ;)
No, it‘s not ... but when I walked around to get rid of a &%#€§) headache I watched out whether somebody else was awake, too. of course there were. No bad photographic opportuity, artificial light in the blue hour. In the evening theres too much of it, in the morning just few spots, quite nice. But, honestly, I‘d rather like to sleep that time ...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 15, 2018, 03:34:10 pm
I sympathize. I'm pretty good at sleeping at that hour of the day. That's why I don't have any good (or bad) sunrise shots.   ;)

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 15, 2018, 05:20:44 pm
Before adding to the monochrome pics yesterday I'd intended to post this one.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 15, 2018, 05:54:36 pm
Here's an urban wanderer

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 15, 2018, 10:52:24 pm
Before adding to the monochrome pics yesterday I'd intended to post this one.

Seeing my snap above just now, the attached alt version seems kinda obvious. Duh…

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 16, 2018, 08:55:14 am
From a recent trip to Rajasthan. A couple of images, the first posted elsewhere, Leica M240, 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM, @ f/2 and the second, Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH @ f/4

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Bundi_1.jpg)

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Daydream.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 16, 2018, 09:19:46 am
Absolute great these two, colours, pose, focus on the essentials and a lot more to like!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 16, 2018, 09:34:56 am
I'm pretty good at sleeping at that hour of the day. That's why I don't have any good (or bad) sunrise shots.   ;)

Eric

There is always a positive way to look at anything and everything...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 16, 2018, 11:07:53 am
Absolute great these two, colours, pose, focus on the essentials and a lot more to like!

If you look at Keith's website you will realise that the two pictures from India fit perfectly within his highly developed visual ethic of colours and unconfused motif.

There is seldom any unnecessary item or distraction within the frame. That really does take a lot of confidence and, also, instant recognition of what's right when the image has to happen quickly.

Just another of the things you have or do not have in your box of tools. Or at least, so I believe.

Another thing I note is this: how remarkable the apparent ease of transition from a world based on 6x6 to a different one based on 24 x 36!

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 16, 2018, 12:11:09 pm
Absolute great these two, colours, pose, focus on the essentials and a lot more to like!

Thanks Pieter, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 16, 2018, 12:15:38 pm
If you look at Keith's website you will realise that the two pictures from India fit perfectly within his highly developed visual ethic of colours and unconfused motif.

There is seldom any unnecessary item or distraction within the frame. That really does take a lot of confidence and, also, instant recognition of what's right when the image has to happen quickly.

Just another of the things you have or do not have in your box of tools. Or at least, so I believe.

Another thing I note is this: how remarkable the apparent ease of transition from a world based on 6x6 to a different one based on 24 x 36!

Rob


Rob, I'd put that down to a background as a painter and illustrator working with no end of differing formats. What hasn't been quite so easy has been the transition from tripod based shooting to handheld: my hands have become less steady with age :-(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 16, 2018, 03:43:31 pm


Rob, I'd put that down to a background as a painter and illustrator working with no end of differing formats. What hasn't been quite so easy has been the transition from tripod based shooting to handheld: my hands have become less steady with age :-(

I don't find that my hands shake much, but what has changed is that instead of the usual 1/125 or 1/250 speeds that were my normal zone, digital has pushed me way up the range and the lens more often than not almost wide open. Perhaps because DOF no longer matters much, and I have no need to show a sense of location just to keep clients happy and justify travel.

I agree, though, that 6x6 was almost inevitably tripod-bound! Thank God I left that behind.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 16, 2018, 03:57:54 pm
Puerto Pollensa. On a cold day.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 16, 2018, 08:35:05 pm
I agree, though, that 6x6 was almost inevitably tripod-bound! Thank God I left that behind.
I can't agree with you about this, Rob. My 6x6 Mamiya 6 RF camera was such a joy to use, and I never once put it on a tripod. It was really easy to hand-hold, and it's the one camera I really regret leaving behind when I went over to the (digital) Dark Side.

Cheers,

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on March 17, 2018, 12:00:09 am

A fine photograph:

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Daydream.jpg)
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 17, 2018, 12:18:20 am
A fine photograph:

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Daydream.jpg)
I agree!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 17, 2018, 04:09:44 am
I agree!

+1

The angular graphics encompassing a faceless individual, the subtle colors and tones. This image certainly stands out. An impressively beautiful capture.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 17, 2018, 05:12:50 am
+1

The angular graphics encompassing a faceless individual, the subtle colors and tones. This image certainly stands out. An impressively beautiful capture.

Vermeer.

And not an earring in sight!

As I often say, you can't beat a painter.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 17, 2018, 08:14:11 am
Vermeer.

And not an earring in sight!

As I often say, you can't beat a painter.

Rob

My granddad used to be a reasonably accomplished fine-art painter. It rubbed off on the grandchildren. If your theory holds, i'm very apparently squandering my talents...

;-(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 17, 2018, 08:46:13 am
My granddad used to be a reasonably accomplished fine-art painter. It rubbed off on the grandchildren. If your theory holds, i'm very apparently squandering my talents...

;-(

Have you tried seriously to paint?

I'm just about through with lunch - beautiful hake today - and as a side-dish, the web has me exploring the differences between Manet and Monet.

Years of looking for expensive books has become almost irrelevant today; there is so much out there to look at, but as ever, not always easy to tell where reality ends and bad information begins.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on March 17, 2018, 11:20:32 am
+1

The angular graphics encompassing a faceless individual, the subtle colors and tones. This image certainly stands out. An impressively beautiful capture.
Can't say it better. Excellent!

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on March 17, 2018, 11:23:29 am
Have you noticed the echoing of the scarf and skirt in the painting on the wall?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 17, 2018, 11:32:53 am
Have you noticed the echoing of the scarf and skirt in the painting on the wall?

Yes
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 17, 2018, 01:44:46 pm
Winter is back, but perhaps a final attempt to hold back the inevitable. Anyway, caught in the morning glow of yesterday:

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 17, 2018, 02:20:53 pm
Winter is back, but perhaps a final attempt to hold back the inevitable. Anyway, caught in the morning glow of yesterday:

Haha, looking at the shadow, she(?) would be in serious need of a haircut... =8-/
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on March 17, 2018, 03:24:59 pm
Winter is back

Indeed.
:-(
Just home from some shooting, I feel like an icicle. Only -2/-3 Celsius, but that east wind. My hands feel clumsy even after a hot bath! 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 18, 2018, 09:50:14 am
Fairly weird. I call this "Levitating Branch."
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 18, 2018, 09:51:27 am
And another example of True Street Photography: "Cracks."
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 18, 2018, 12:26:48 pm
Many thanks for the comments on the seated lady, much appreciated.

Here's another shot, perhaps more typical of the area. Leica M240, 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM, @ around f/4 - those who use these antiquated cameras will know there's no recording of aperture to the metadata ;-(

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Bundi_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 18, 2018, 01:14:59 pm
Many thanks for the comments on the seated lady, much appreciated.

Here's another shot, perhaps more typical of the area. Leica M240, 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM, @ around f/4 - those who use these antiquated cameras will know there's no recording of aperture to the metadata ;-(

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Bundi_2.jpg)

Reminds me of a scene in Lethal Weapon...

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 18, 2018, 05:10:05 pm
Fairly weird. I call this "Levitating Branch."

Concept Copyright Breach!  ;D

(I posted a 3:2 version of this last summer.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 18, 2018, 05:17:42 pm
Concept Copyright Breach!  ;D

(I posted a 3:2 version of this last summer.)

-Dave-

Both are quite intriguing!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 18, 2018, 05:23:01 pm
Sorry, Dave. I must have missed yours.
Mine was actually dangling by a fishing line (not visible in the photo, I hope) that had caught in the tree.
I'm sure yours was more purely levitating.   ;)

-Eric

P.S. Thanks, Armand.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 18, 2018, 05:25:27 pm
Mine was actually dangling by a fishing line (not visible in the photo, I hope) that had caught in the tree.

I had a suspicion that might be the case seeing similar stuff but you can't see it on your photo so one can only guess.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on March 19, 2018, 09:42:20 am
Somehow I found this pretty interesting. Stood there long time till I got it "right". I'm afraid it's not so interesting for others?


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 19, 2018, 10:53:46 am
I understand; the image has geometric equilibrium even though at first glance one might think that it does not.

Sarah Moon wrote (and I can only paraphrase, because to find her relevant video, though I have it, would take me all day), "I would love to make a photograph where nothing happens, but for nothing to happen something must happen first." I reserve doubts about the logic of that idea, but as a supreme artist, why would she require the justification and burden of logic? So yes, I can accept that she would instantly know where your photograph was trying to lead her, quite without any need for captions or similar thought signposts.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 19, 2018, 04:15:13 pm
Sorry, Dave. I must have missed yours.
Mine was actually dangling by a fishing line (not visible in the photo, I hope) that had caught in the tree.
I'm sure yours was more purely levitating.   ;)

Oh yes, of course! *Magic.  :D

-Dave-

*aka spider silk
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 19, 2018, 04:16:30 pm
Can't remember if I posted this before; hope not.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 19, 2018, 09:36:37 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 19, 2018, 11:36:58 pm
Somehow I found this pretty interesting. Stood there long time till I got it "right". I'm afraid it's not so interesting for others?
It works nicely for me.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 19, 2018, 11:41:23 pm
I am amused by the juxtaposition of the latest offerings from Rob and Armand, one B&W and the other color, but they are both "alleys" of sorts, with very similar compositions.   ;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Chairman Bill on March 20, 2018, 09:55:09 am
There are fewer Exmoor Ponies than there are Giant Pandas. Just saying.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 20, 2018, 10:47:09 am
I am amused by the juxtaposition of the latest offerings from Rob and Armand, one B&W and the other color, but they are both "alleys" of sorts, with very similar compositions.   ;)

It was unintentional, I'm in the process of trimming my photo collection as I have way too many (started with 130k +) and I passed by this where I liked the atmosphere. Technically it doesn't have enough DOF though.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 20, 2018, 04:10:37 pm
I'm afraid this one may also be lacking in DOF.  ;)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 20, 2018, 04:14:29 pm
But when I was younger I knew how to work the aperture ring.

Autumn 1983, Kodachrome (probably 25).

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 21, 2018, 03:02:47 pm
Not Louisiana Rain.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 21, 2018, 03:23:09 pm
Another close focus exercise earlier this afternoon.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 21, 2018, 05:16:25 pm
shadows
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 21, 2018, 05:45:29 pm
Not Louisiana Rain.

Rob
Painting at it's best!

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 21, 2018, 06:26:28 pm
Painting at it's best!

Peter


Right, but I wouldn't use canvas if I were ever to print it! Canvas deserves better.

Thanks - ;-)

Rob

P.S.

It's that tree you like, isn't it!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 22, 2018, 06:23:54 am
Not Louisiana Rain.

Very atmospheric, but I do hope this isn't the result of recent atmospherics.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 22, 2018, 06:36:32 am
Another from India, this time one of the many kids who demanded our attention. Leica M240, 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM, @ f/2.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Bundi_Boy.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 22, 2018, 11:17:33 am
Very atmospheric, but I do hope this isn't the result of recent atmospherics.

;-)

Well, we have snow on the two highest peaks that I can see from home... bit late in the year for that!

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 22, 2018, 01:47:15 pm

It's that tree you like, isn't it!

Hum......Maybe...????

Peter

P.S.

Yes
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 22, 2018, 02:57:09 pm
mountain
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 22, 2018, 09:56:42 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: francois on March 23, 2018, 04:50:31 am
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Perfect for B/W!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 23, 2018, 12:15:29 pm
According to Tony Soprano, "remember when" is the worst kind of conversation.

I prefer to think of it as proof that one existed, at least a few minutes ago when the conversation started.

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 23, 2018, 04:39:49 pm
That necklace doesn't look a bit like Tony Soprano.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 23, 2018, 05:00:01 pm
That necklace doesn't look a bit like Tony Soprano.
Eric,
That's a very true statement...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 23, 2018, 07:13:31 pm
Perfect for B/W!

Thank you!

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 23, 2018, 07:13:59 pm
..
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 23, 2018, 08:38:38 pm
Weeping tombstone.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 23, 2018, 08:39:35 pm
i
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 24, 2018, 10:26:41 am
Nice graphics, Eric, but personally speaking, I think I'd prefer being up on a mantlepiece or somewhere more family-oriented where I could hear what the hell they were all saying after I'm gone! For a start, it would be more comfortable during the winter, don't you think?

Stuck in a hole, just like a cat digs for its poop, doesn't seem at all fitting, somehow.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 24, 2018, 11:00:50 am
I think I'd prefer being up on a mantlepiece or somewhere more family-oriented where I could hear what the hell they were all saying.

Rob
Amongst the trees for me please...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 24, 2018, 12:21:41 pm
Amongst the trees for me please...

Peter


Peter, isn't there a view of the trees from inside the house, where you wouldn't get all wet and look like one of Sally Mann's more somber experiments in body farming?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 24, 2018, 01:45:25 pm

Peter, isn't there a view of the trees from inside the house, where you wouldn't get all wet and look like one of Sally Mann's more somber experiments in body farming?

Rob

Burn me and spread me...after all, the idea of being in a cold damp hole in the ground is problematic with my Arthritis.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 24, 2018, 04:31:31 pm
My dad resides, per his wishes, in a handful of his favorite fishing spots…and also along a trail in the park where I still often walk.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 24, 2018, 06:15:28 pm
Burn me and spread me...after all, the idea of being in a cold damp hole in the ground is problematic with my Arthritis.

Peter


That's deep; arthritis is a pain, wherever you have it. So far, I think I have been spared, but I'm taking no bets.

It's been pissing all day, very cold, and I haven't made a snap in a couple of weeks. I really have to pull myself out of this lethargy - just because the weather gives me a good excuse doesn't mean I feel good about it. But what are you gonna do? It is what it is, and that's how it goes at times. Worse, the clock changes tomorrow night and I have an appointment at 9.15 with the cardio for a test on Monday... it'll feel like 8.15 and I'm not good on the mornings anyway. Problems, problems...

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 25, 2018, 08:44:04 am
My dad resides, per his wishes, in a handful of his favorite fishing spots…and also along a trail in the park where I still often walk.

-Dave-
Dave,
I'm sure when you walk in that park it's a wonderful visit with your Dad.

That's what I wish for my loved ones... to walk in the places that I love and that I have made a part of life's work.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on March 25, 2018, 08:55:52 am
+1
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on March 25, 2018, 03:47:43 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 25, 2018, 05:15:42 pm
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The edgy look to this photo works IMO.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 25, 2018, 05:20:36 pm
I'm sure when you walk in that park it's a wonderful visit with your Dad.

That's what I wish for my loved ones... to walk in the places that I love and that I have made a part of life's work.

Yes, to both sentiments.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 26, 2018, 12:53:36 pm
Another from India. Bling camera, 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM, @ f/2.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/The_Visit.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on March 26, 2018, 01:04:38 pm
Another from India. Bling camera, 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM, @ f/2.

I am very much enjoying your images from India, especially the people images. I really like how you use shallow depth of field in some of your images. This one is very interesting, the nice balance of shadows, shapes and people. Makes the image dynamic. Also, you have stasis and motion in the people. Excellent work!

JR
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 26, 2018, 02:21:57 pm
Keith, lucky for the Bling to have landed an artist!

As ever, beautiful colours you create/capture/produce and the content would be very hard to beat, too.

Makes much of Europe look flat.

As chance would have it, I was looking at a Jeanloup Sieff set of pix in Pinterest over lunch, and where I think he used his M4 or whatever, the dynamics are just, well, different. I know he used several other types of camera too, Rollei TLR, Hassy 500, Pentax, Nikon, but the Bling with 21mm stands out. How wide does your kit go at the moment?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 26, 2018, 02:40:21 pm
I don't think I posted this one before, last in a quartet or so of a particular window in the Port.

Helmut Newton also played around with mannequins in some of his fashion shots; in a few, it's hard to spot this unless you start to question the scary situations in which they do their thing. And all that before Photoshop. With PS he could probably have fooled everybody, but then, isn't it also possible that the little deception, when seen for what it is, is also part of the deal, the interest?

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 26, 2018, 04:27:53 pm
Earlier this afternoon. 75/2.8 lens…frames like a 60mm in the 135 format.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 26, 2018, 04:32:08 pm
Another from India. Bling camera, 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM, @ f/2.

Lurvly color!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 26, 2018, 04:33:50 pm
JR, thanks, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 26, 2018, 04:48:05 pm
Keith, lucky for the Bling to have landed an artist!

As ever, beautiful colours you create/capture/produce and the content would be very hard to beat, too.

Makes much of Europe look flat.

As chance would have it, I was looking at a Jeanloup Sieff set of pix in Pinterest over lunch, and where I think he used his M4 or whatever, the dynamics are just, well, different. I know he used several other types of camera too, Rollei TLR, Hassy 500, Pentax, Nikon, but the Bling with 21mm stands out. How wide does your kit go at the moment?

Rob

Rob, I wish I could take credit for both the colour and content but if Rajasthan excels at anything it would be the combination.

That said, I do find I prefer the Adobe colour profiles in Adobe Camera Raw to the Leica Embedded versions. The reds in particular tend towards overkill in the latter. But as with any post work it's about trying to get the best out of the files and matching one's vision. Perhaps the embedded profiles could give a much need boost to flat old Europe ;-)

The widest lens I have is 21mm and it's a real cracker, but if that's not wide enough there's quite a choice including M fit Voigtlander lenses as wide as 10mm!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 26, 2018, 05:01:06 pm
Earlier this afternoon. 75/2.8 lens…frames like a 60mm in the 135 format.

Lurvly color!


Back at you.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 27, 2018, 05:45:19 am
Yesterday, after reading some newspapers on the local town elections in the Netherlands

Leaning left, leaning right  :-\
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 27, 2018, 09:15:41 am
Pieter,

It looks to me as if you favor leaning left.   :D

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 27, 2018, 09:38:22 am
Pieter,

It looks to me as if you favor leaning left.   :D

Eric

That's only from the viewer's perspective, no?

It's the other thing that keeps me awake at night: so what if we finally manage to contact the aliens, and after a large UN convention weighting the options of hostile or friendly beings, we decide to invite them over. How are you going to give directions?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 27, 2018, 09:51:33 am
Pieter,

It looks to me as if you favor leaning left.   :D

Eric
For myself I don't know, it's actually the tree in front that favoured leaning left, but it seems outnumbered by some others in the background   :-\  ;)

 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: LesPalenik on March 27, 2018, 10:33:28 am
It seems that the further north, the more of them are leaning left.
All the way to Alaska. There the situation reverses.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 27, 2018, 10:43:41 am
It seems that the further north, the more of them are leaning left.
All the way to Alaska. There the situation reverses.


I guess it depends if you're coming or going.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 27, 2018, 04:07:12 pm
The main thing I like about trees is that unless impeded they all aim upward.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 28, 2018, 07:30:26 am
I'm sure they must have some department for this...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on March 28, 2018, 07:49:14 am
Good shooting, Oscar.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 28, 2018, 07:51:13 am
The main thing I like about trees is that unless impeded they all aim upward.

-Dave-

I am in agreement, 100%

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 28, 2018, 10:07:26 am
The main thing I like about trees is that unless impeded they all aim upward.

-Dave-
Agree!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on March 29, 2018, 06:15:26 am
Leftist trees in Italy after the elections 2018 :(
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 29, 2018, 03:41:05 pm
...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 29, 2018, 04:16:50 pm
More trees, leaning right this time, old weathered and one of them infected with fungus. What does that tell us? ;)


Btw, picture taken with a 1958 lens, bought new by my father then and still regularly in use by me.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 29, 2018, 04:17:42 pm
From a few evenings ago. Too cloudy to see the big Lunar lamp so I settled for a couple lesser ones.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 29, 2018, 04:22:59 pm
If all the left- & right-leaning trees rot and fall down that'll free up space for healthier trees to grow.  ;)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 30, 2018, 06:36:17 am
If all the left- & right-leaning trees rot and fall down that'll free up space for healthier trees to grow.  ;)

-Dave-

LEFT...RIGHT...it all depends upon which direction you approach the subject.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 30, 2018, 07:06:30 am
LEFT...RIGHT...it all depends upon which direction you approach the subject.

Peter


You might be in breach of copyright:

Check post #1354

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 30, 2018, 07:13:10 am

You might be in breach of copyright:

Check post #1354

:-)

Rob

Rob,
It appears I agree with that brilliant post... I'll need to secure one time worldwide rights to that concept. Hope the cost isn't prohibitive!

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 30, 2018, 07:28:43 am
Peter,

The cost is exceptionally steep: it requires that you post some more street photographs.

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on March 30, 2018, 07:31:26 am
Peter,

The cost is exceptionally steep: it requires that you post some more street photographs.

:-)

Rob

He don't do street, he do the same dark and moody artsy fartsy stuff that you do.

We just live with it...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: pegelli on March 30, 2018, 07:35:24 am
LEFT...RIGHT...it all depends upon which direction you approach the subject.

Peter
Well, maybe I flipped the image, very easy to do in LR  ;D
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on March 30, 2018, 07:36:36 am
Peter,

The cost is exceptionally steep: it requires that you post some more street photographs.

:-)

Rob

Rob,

A pound of flesh...Dear God!

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 30, 2018, 07:37:12 am
He don't do street, he do the same dark and moody artsy fartsy stuff that you do.

We just live with it...

I wrote that the cost would be steep; I didn't specify to whom.

:-)

Rob


P.S. This is going down as I have lunch in an alternative place to my regular Frenchman's; as with many others, come fiestas and the like, and costs are 50% higher... thanks, but no thanks! This real-time conversation provides a pleasant distraction over and beyond the Louisiana radio one.

Wonderful deal, wifi and the like.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on March 30, 2018, 04:43:09 pm
leaves
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on March 31, 2018, 11:43:29 am
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on March 31, 2018, 12:39:35 pm
Another from India. Photographic jewellery, 35mm Summilux ASPH @ f/2.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Kitchen.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on March 31, 2018, 03:32:51 pm
leaves

Looking very forward to seeing leaves colored something other than dingy brown!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on March 31, 2018, 04:27:09 pm
Selfie in the cold, but great camera-holding technique, nonetheless.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on April 01, 2018, 04:04:20 pm
I'm enjoying using Affinity Photo on my iPad and so have decided to reprocess some of my Grand Canyon Nat. Park photos from around this time 4 years ago.

"Marlboro Man."

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on April 01, 2018, 06:00:37 pm
Selfie in the cold, but great camera-holding technique, nonetheless.

Rob,
The very best...

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on April 05, 2018, 04:39:54 pm
Another from 2014, though not at the Grand Canyon but rather in my yard. One of those "looking thoughtful in-between poses" pics.  :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on April 06, 2018, 04:36:25 am
 :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on April 06, 2018, 05:29:24 am
Or, looking thoughtful in-between eating grass pics.

;)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on April 06, 2018, 12:49:15 pm
Another from India. Leica M240, 50mm Zeiss C Sonnar ZM, @ f/2.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Doorstep2.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 06, 2018, 01:54:34 pm
I'm really enjoying your Indian photos, Keith.

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on April 06, 2018, 02:17:22 pm
I'm really enjoying your Indian photos, Keith.

Yup!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on April 06, 2018, 02:53:01 pm
I'm really enjoying your Indian photos, Keith.

Eric

+1. I think this latest might be my favourite so far.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on April 06, 2018, 05:09:58 pm
Thanks guys, I have to say I enjoyed making them.

The people we met in India were proud and dignified and the welcome we received was humbling. Can hardly wait to return.

Keith
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on April 07, 2018, 02:32:57 am
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on April 07, 2018, 02:56:33 pm
Rooting around in my Cloud storage I rediscovered a folder of iPhone pics from my 2014 Arizona holiday. These two are in-flight, the first shortly after takeoff from Detroit Metro and the second shortly before landing at Phoenix Sky Harbor.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: John R on April 09, 2018, 02:17:20 am
A walk on the inside with lighted floor, from a well known building in downtown Toronto.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Front-St-Walk-Toronto/i-zpDCzdP/0/06918b99/M/March%2011-%202018%20Downtown%20Toronto_0115%20bwcopy-1000-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on April 10, 2018, 10:40:55 am
Oldie.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: guido on April 10, 2018, 01:14:19 pm
.

Very nice image!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on April 10, 2018, 04:36:37 pm
Here's one more from the Grand Canyon in 2014: an infrared "environmental selfie."  :D

(All my recent pics have been via SX-70. I need a decent flatbed scanner to properly digitize 'em.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on April 10, 2018, 07:30:18 pm
Front porch ~25 minutes ago.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on April 12, 2018, 04:45:39 pm
No.1 Blonde - ever.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on April 12, 2018, 05:31:48 pm
A couple electronic versions of recent SX-70 pics, via the Sony A7iii that arrived on my front porch yesterday afternoon. (Sold the A7rii to a friend of a friend.) RAWs converted in Sandy McG's PhotoRaw app to TIFs, then tweaked in Affinity Photo. (Affinity doesn't yet decode A7iii RAWs.)

(Edit: to clarify, these are photos of the same subject matter as a pair of earlier SX-70 pics, not copies of the Polaroids.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on April 13, 2018, 10:46:51 am
No.1 Blonde - ever.

At the risk of offending my own leggy blonde, yup.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on April 13, 2018, 02:16:38 pm
At the risk of offending my own leggy blonde, yup.

;-)


That spells the definitive end of the Caveman, as in front of the porch or anywhere else! Probably for the best...

I think I may have changed my own affections more towards the TT from the audiophile company instead. I see a silver one every day on my walk; the spoiler is frozen in the upright position, either as priapic virility symbol, a means of figuring out where the butt may be or, perhaps, another form of malfunction in the system.

I also saw a spanking new Mustang (in red) with a soft top, which rather spoiled the look of it, I have to say. But nonetheless, it was very clean and shiny!

I should have worked harder, or smarter.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on April 13, 2018, 03:47:26 pm
From earlier this afternoon. Windy weather memorabilia.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on April 13, 2018, 04:00:58 pm

That spells the definitive end of the Caveman, as in front of the porch or anywhere else! Probably for the best...

I think I may have changed my own affections more towards the TT from the audiophile company instead. I see a silver one every day on my walk; the spoiler is frozen in the upright position, either as priapic virility symbol, a means of figuring out where the butt may be or, perhaps, another form of malfunction in the system.

I also saw a spanking new Mustang (in red) with a soft top, which rather spoiled the look of it, I have to say. But nonetheless, it was very clean and shiny!

I should have worked harder, or smarter.

I think of the audiophile as the fiancé one would introduce to one's parents and the caveman as the mistress one wouldn't.

Everyone following this?

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on April 14, 2018, 04:15:16 am
Speaking of leggy blondes...

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Goat.jpg)

Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on April 14, 2018, 04:59:52 am
I think of the audiophile as the fiancé one would introduce to one's parents and the caveman as the mistress one wouldn't.

Everyone following this?

;-)

There is truth in what you suggest, Keith.

That admitted, I have a teeny suspicion that parents might, just might be more forgiving than could a wife: where parents think they understand, a wife would most wilfully and certainly refuse so to do.

Or, one might employ the strategy of French presidents and keep one of each, even if it does mean the inconvenience of a bike ride between the two. In either case, steer well away fom Cliveden: it could make the entire structure keel over on its back, or at least fall off a chair.

Caution is the word for the day.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on April 14, 2018, 06:33:29 am
Speaking of leggy blondes...

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Goat.jpg)

Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH.


And boy, can she flutter her eyes!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on April 14, 2018, 08:32:21 am

And boy, can she flutter her eyes!

Better than the best of them...eye fluttering, that is!

Peter


Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 14, 2018, 09:46:42 am
Better than the best of them...eye fluttering, that is!

Peter
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on April 14, 2018, 03:45:56 pm
We have some real wilderness, here, too ... just an quick and dirty hand held pano, wasn't prepared for such a view ...

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/805/26584857317_9224ffc142_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GvdkSV)Wildernis (https://flic.kr/p/GvdkSV) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on April 14, 2018, 05:22:14 pm
experiments
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Post by: 32BT on April 15, 2018, 09:06:29 am
experiments

Yes, very good, very specific impressionistic mood. Now find a story to capture and you've nailed it.
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Post by: RSL on April 15, 2018, 09:30:20 am
+1
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Post by: John R on April 16, 2018, 03:44:10 am
Yes, very good, very specific impressionistic mood. Now find a story to capture and you've nailed it.
Armand, very good impressions.

JR
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Post by: guido on April 16, 2018, 08:12:19 am
We have some real wilderness, here, too ... just an quick and dirty hand held pano, wasn't prepared for such a view ...

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/805/26584857317_9224ffc142_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GvdkSV)Wildernis (https://flic.kr/p/GvdkSV) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr

Fabulous!
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Post by: farbschlurf on April 16, 2018, 08:43:09 am
Fabulous!
Thank you.
(Interestingly, it's a man made landscape. There they dug out clay for all the bricks, Berlin was build from in the 19th century. It's  over 100ft deep holes, just down to the ground water, and mine dumps around. There's a museum brick manufacture nearby. Now it's a nature-sanctuary.)
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Post by: guido on April 16, 2018, 10:01:23 am
Thank you.
(Interestingly, it's a man made landscape. There they dug out clay for all the bricks, Berlin was build from in the 19th century. It's  over 100ft deep holes, just down to the ground water, and mine dumps around. There's a museum brick manufacture nearby. Now it's a nature-sanctuary.)
Seeing nature re-claim spaces after we are done with them is a fascinating study. The battle between native species and invasive introduced species can be quite intense.
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Post by: JNB_Rare on April 16, 2018, 01:03:52 pm
Lunenburg Harbour walkabout. The reflection is of the saltbanker schooner Theresa E. Connor, built in Lunenenburg and launched in 1938.

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Post by: guido on April 16, 2018, 01:14:28 pm
Lunenburg Harbour walkabout. The reflection is of the saltbanker schooner Theresa E. Connor, built in Lunenenburg and launched in 1938.

Very nicely seen!
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 16, 2018, 03:14:35 pm
Very nicely seen!
+1.
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Post by: KLaban on April 17, 2018, 10:04:27 am
One for Rob.

Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH @ f/4ish.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Coke.jpg)

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Post by: pegelli on April 17, 2018, 11:52:55 am
^^  Very nice Keith

Antwerp water towers
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Post by: JNB_Rare on April 17, 2018, 01:04:33 pm
Really enjoying Keith's series. Pieter – good eye!
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 17, 2018, 03:48:53 pm
Kudos to both Keith and Pieter.
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Post by: KLaban on April 17, 2018, 04:46:26 pm
^^  Very nice Keith

Antwerp water towers

And back at you Pieter!

Thanks Eric & JNB_Rare, appreciated.

Have to admit I didn't notice the Coke bottle until after the event.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 17, 2018, 05:34:36 pm
Have to admit I didn't notice the Coke bottle until after the event.
Now we know where Ms. Coke has been traveling recently.
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Post by: farbschlurf on April 18, 2018, 03:19:43 am
After 20 years or so I visited a funfair ...

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/846/39724645860_240506f414_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23wkcef)funfair flowers (https://flic.kr/p/23wkcef) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr

few more on flickr, with changing colors.
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Post by: Rob C on April 18, 2018, 04:39:47 am
One for Rob.

Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH @ f/4ish.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Coke.jpg)


All those thousands of miles away and you still thought of me! ;-)

I still keep an eye open for the old Coke bottles, the ones with the raised glass motif, but never see them anymore. All you get are cheap, printed logos.

Should I come across one of the oldies but goodies, it might make me start back into the theme - possibly around the "ancestor to Ms. Coke" angle. The light reflections would be so much more interesting, and would give my dormant 2.8/105 Micro Nikkor some exercise.

I'd like to see what you'd make of Cuba.

Rob
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Post by: KLaban on April 18, 2018, 05:13:52 am
Being India the bottle is likely to be counterfeit and the contents risky! On the other hand I believe there are many genuine vintage Coke bottles available on eBay.

Cuba; once on my bucket list but no more. Too many pesky photographers and white faces. Thankfully in India it is perfectly possible to walk for hours without encountering any of either.
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 18, 2018, 05:34:31 am
...Cuba; once on my bucket list but no more. Too many pesky photographers and white faces...

Not in my experience. I wonder what makes you say so? By the way, two thirds of Cubans are white.
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Post by: KLaban on April 18, 2018, 07:26:38 am
Not in my experience. I wonder what makes you say so? By the way, two thirds of Cubans are white.

You were there.

;-)
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Post by: Rob C on April 18, 2018, 07:27:56 am
Being India the bottle is likely to be counterfeit and the contents risky! On the other hand I believe there are many genuine vintage Coke bottles available on eBay.

Cuba; once on my bucket list but no more. Too many pesky photographers and white faces. Thankfully in India it is perfectly possible to walk for hours without encountering any of either.


Yes, I looked quite a few years ago; but there's no way of knowing if they are in pristine condition (how I like my female bottles, at least) and as they are mainly in America, no point in further disappointment...

I'm currently watching the Braquo series, and wondered, as you too enjoy French dramas, if you had any idea why the title, as none of the characters seems to bear the name? Perhaps it's a colloquial, Parisian form for CID?
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Post by: KLaban on April 18, 2018, 07:38:17 am

Yes, I looked quite a few years ago; but there's no way of knowing if they are in pristine condition (how I like my female bottles, at least) and as they are mainly in America, no point in further disappointment...

I'm currently watching the Braquo series, and wondered, as you too enjoy French dramas, if you had any idea why the title, as none of the characters seems to bear the name? Perhaps it's a colloquial, Parisian form for CID?

Rob, never even heard of the series, but thanks for the heads-up, I'll look into it.

Currently watching the box set of Sopranos - bought used on eBay, over 80 episodes for £15. Only trouble is 'T' puts me in mind of my Brother-in-Law, also named Anth-O-Knee.
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Post by: Rob C on April 18, 2018, 08:06:41 am
Rob, never even heard of the series, but thanks for the heads-up, I'll look into it.

Currently watching the box set of Sopranos - bought used on eBay, over 80 episodes for £15. Only trouble is 'T' puts me in mind of my Brother-in-Law, also named Anth-O-Knee.

I answered my own question by consulting the good doctor Google:

"The name of the series comes from the French word braquage, meaning armed robberies, particularly of banks."

I loved the Sopranos!

If ever I get back to Glasgow I shall have my son drive me through some of the city's less happy areas as I snap away in homage (read rip off) to The Sopranos' opening titles. Whether they work in stills is another matter, but hey, a break from shop windows!

Rob
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Post by: KLaban on April 18, 2018, 09:42:28 am
I answered my own question by consulting the good doctor Google:

"The name of the series comes from the French word braquage, meaning armed robberies, particularly of banks."

I loved the Sopranos!

If ever I get back to Glasgow I shall have my son drive me through some of the city's less happy areas as I snap away in homage (read rip off) to The Sopranos' opening titles. Whether they work in stills is another matter, but hey, a break from shop windows!

Rob

Ditto, we are both hooked!
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Post by: JNB_Rare on April 18, 2018, 10:13:52 am
After 20 years or so I visited a funfair ... few more on flickr, with changing colors.

Lots of fun! I love the colours. I prefer the slightly "sharper" ones that show the rich blue in the sky.
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 18, 2018, 11:58:06 am
You were there.

;-)

Nice. Then again, I've been to 35 countries, would be a shame to cross them all from your bucket list ;)
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Post by: KLaban on April 18, 2018, 12:23:58 pm
Nice. Then again, I've been to 35 countries, would be a shame to cross them all from your bucket list ;)

Forewarned is forearmed.

;-)
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Post by: armand on April 18, 2018, 09:35:35 pm
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Post by: Telecaster on April 19, 2018, 07:37:17 pm
From my yard ~45 minutes ago. First properly spring-like day this spring.  :D

-Dave-
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Post by: guido on April 19, 2018, 08:16:12 pm
From my yard ~45 minutes ago. First properly spring-like day this spring.  :D

-Dave-

Very nicely seen!
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Post by: JNB_Rare on April 19, 2018, 11:22:30 pm
First properly spring-like day this spring.  :D

We had one of those here today, too. At least it started that way. But, after a short drive to the seaside, the temperature dropped dramatically, the wind came up and clouds rolled in. Then it started to pelt cold rain. Had to retire to a local café to warm up.

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Post by: Telecaster on April 20, 2018, 02:40:08 pm
Two spring-y days in a row, a relief after the near-horrors of last weekend. From earlier this afternoon.

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on April 20, 2018, 02:45:53 pm
Very nicely seen!

Took me awhile to see it in the first place.  :)  I was looking way too close to the horizon.

-Dave-
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 20, 2018, 07:20:28 pm
Ambiguous traffic light ahead.
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Post by: Telecaster on April 20, 2018, 09:05:41 pm
This time from my driveway, shortly after sunset.

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on April 20, 2018, 09:07:41 pm
Ambiguous traffic light ahead.

"We give up…do whatever you like."  :)

-Dave-
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 20, 2018, 10:26:18 pm
"We give up…do whatever you like."  :)

-Dave-
I think you got it.   :D
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Post by: 32BT on April 21, 2018, 09:26:32 am
Obligatory colortests for a camera are best done in b&w obviously.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 21, 2018, 10:34:11 am
Obligatory colortests for a camera are best done in b&w obviously.
Your red peppers look fine, but the strawberries look a bit too green to me.   8)
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Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 21, 2018, 07:35:10 pm
Two shots from today's walk through Chicago:

The first one I can title "Lamps," or, alternatively, "Lineus Inerruptus," though I am sure it would be incorrect Latin ;)

The second one feel free to interpret as enthusiasm or sarcasm, up to you.

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Post by: Telecaster on April 21, 2018, 08:46:20 pm
Today's cloudy sky partially cleared not long before sunset, so here we are again.

-Dave-
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Post by: guido on April 21, 2018, 09:10:16 pm
I feel a series coming on...
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Post by: Rob C on April 22, 2018, 07:56:28 am
Good  advice.
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Post by: KLaban on April 22, 2018, 07:59:14 am
India. Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Through_the_Window.jpg)

Some shots are made for 6x6 ;-)
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Post by: 32BT on April 22, 2018, 08:26:20 am
Good  advice.

It can occassionally clear up blurry concepts...
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Post by: 32BT on April 22, 2018, 09:00:50 am
India. Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH.

Some shots are made for 6x6 ;-)

Good combination of color, tones, and content.
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Post by: John R on April 22, 2018, 11:09:53 am
Good combination of color, tones, and content.
Yes, outstanding people images. This one has beautiful soft natural glow on the subject that fades into black and creates nice tension between the light and dark areas.

JR
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Post by: KLaban on April 23, 2018, 12:28:07 pm
Thanks to opgr and John R for their comments, appreciated.

The subject was a charming and obliging man who also showed us around his charming home.
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Post by: Telecaster on April 23, 2018, 05:27:33 pm
The herons in my fav local park are getting ready for this year's crop o' young 'uns.

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on April 23, 2018, 05:33:53 pm
Meanwhile this sandhill crane seems kinda forlorn. No doubt her/his mate is also sitting on a nest. Or maybe it's the ruddy/muddy tones the PhotoRaw app on my iPad seems compelled to produce from Sony A7iii files no matter how hard I try to dial it out. Looks like old ISO 1600 color neg film minus the grain. I'll be less forlorn myself once iOS (and thus Affinity Photo) can decode the RAWs.  ;)

-Dave-
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Post by: John R on April 24, 2018, 07:19:21 am
Spring has inspired me to try new things!

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Pictorials/i-rzMzPQH/0/b256f2e7/L/April%2020-%202018%20abstract%20glass_0382%20halfbw-copy1000-L.jpg)
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Post by: JNB_Rare on April 24, 2018, 09:22:11 am
Spring has inspired me to try new things!

Very attractive!
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Post by: Rob C on April 24, 2018, 09:45:17 am
Rob
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Post by: guido on April 24, 2018, 10:16:43 am
Very nice! Well seen!
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Post by: KLaban on April 24, 2018, 10:19:25 am
Rob

This works because it resembles a trawler *wheelhouse, the rest of the ship being engulfed by huge waves.

* Is that a valid nautical term?
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Post by: Rob C on April 24, 2018, 12:55:01 pm
This works because it resembles a trawler *wheelhouse, the rest of the ship being engulfed by huge waves.

* Is that a valid nautical term?

Aye aye, Sir, that it be!

:-)
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Post by: Rob C on April 24, 2018, 12:56:32 pm
Very nice! Well seen!

Mille grazie, Guido!

Rob
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Post by: armand on April 24, 2018, 01:10:07 pm
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Post by: pegelli on April 24, 2018, 04:10:44 pm
Watching in awe, as the pendulum swings (Science Museum, London)
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Post by: Rob C on April 26, 2018, 11:51:18 am
Rob
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Post by: RSL on April 26, 2018, 12:04:21 pm
Watching in awe, as the pendulum swings (Science Museum, London)

Good shooting, Pieter.
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Post by: David Eckels on April 26, 2018, 12:48:44 pm
Anemones from the Vancouver aquarium.
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Post by: petermfiore on April 26, 2018, 01:18:36 pm

Rob


Great graphics...

Peter
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Post by: Rob C on April 26, 2018, 02:05:36 pm
Rob


Great graphics...

Peter

Thank you Peter - encouraging to explore different directions now and then. Were I able to draw and paint better than I can, I think it would be an easier journey! As we know, cameras really need something to shoot first.
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Post by: Rob C on April 26, 2018, 02:11:37 pm
Anemones from the Vancouver aquarium.


Nice work, David, but doesn't it require you to get wet?

I haven't swum since my first heart attack: I think the shock of even summer Med waters would be too much! Shame; I used to love it once upon a time...
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Post by: David Eckels on April 26, 2018, 02:15:25 pm
Thanks Rob. Not unless the glass breaks! No no no swimming in the ocean for me! Fish (and other things) poop in it! ;)
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Post by: armand on April 26, 2018, 03:15:29 pm
Dilated time
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Post by: Telecaster on April 26, 2018, 08:06:17 pm
45 minutes ago.

-Dave-
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Post by: pegelli on April 27, 2018, 02:27:34 am
Good shooting, Pieter.
Thanks Russ, 6 sec handheld, sharpness is overrated these days ;)
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Post by: drmike on April 27, 2018, 02:33:10 am
Thanks Russ, 6 sec handheld, sharpness is overrated these days ;)

I agree. We are fortunate that sharpness is always an option these days but not everything has to be so sharp you cut yourself.

Mike
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Post by: Rob C on April 27, 2018, 12:24:13 pm
Something novel: colour!

I wonder if it'll catch on but, hey, these new fads should never be taken too seriously!

:-)
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Post by: 32BT on April 28, 2018, 08:37:02 am
Something novel: colour!

I wonder if it'll catch on but, hey, these new fads should never be taken too seriously!

:-)

 Sigh...

What's next? ipad captures?

Oh wait...
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Post by: Rob C on April 28, 2018, 10:50:50 am
Sigh...

What's next? ipad captures?

Oh wait...

I know, I know, history too.

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Post by: KLaban on April 29, 2018, 07:55:21 am
India. Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH @ f/4.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Pride.jpg)
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Post by: armand on April 29, 2018, 03:46:34 pm
Paris
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Post by: Telecaster on April 29, 2018, 04:36:53 pm
More shadow branches with bonus selfie.

-Dave-
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Post by: farbschlurf on April 30, 2018, 02:29:53 am
Archetypes.

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Post by: francois on April 30, 2018, 03:42:01 am
Archetypes.

Modern life!  :) I like the shot a lot and the treatment is also appropriate.
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Post by: Rob C on April 30, 2018, 03:49:43 am
Surreal!
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Post by: petermfiore on April 30, 2018, 11:53:08 am
Wired clouds...


Peter
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on April 30, 2018, 12:03:49 pm
Wired clouds...


Peter
Definitely high-voltage.
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Post by: Telecaster on April 30, 2018, 04:39:56 pm
Via a 7Artisans 50/1.1 lens. It's a Sonnar variant, basically a faster Zeiss (or Soviet Jupiter) 50/1.5. I like it!

-Dave-
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Post by: KLaban on April 30, 2018, 05:13:59 pm
Via a 7Artisans 50/1.1 lens. It's a Sonnar variant, basically a faster Zeiss (or Soviet Jupiter) 50/1.5. I like it!

-Dave-

And at £348 it's an absolute bargain!

I wonder what a comparison with the Zeiss sonnar ZM at f/1.4 to f/1.5 would reveal.
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Post by: Rob C on April 30, 2018, 05:42:49 pm
I suppose these notions must have sold a helluva lot of Rolleiflex and Hasselblad cameras in the day.

Now, a few minutes at the computer before the News comes on, and there you are, even a simple little crop-frame Nikon will do.

Kinda depressing, in a perverse sort of way...
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Post by: Telecaster on May 01, 2018, 01:00:28 am
And at £348 it's an absolute bargain!

I wonder what a comparison with the Zeiss sonnar ZM at f/1.4 to f/1.5 would reveal.

I can tell you that my sample of the 50/1.1 at f/1.1 resolves identically to my two 1950s-era Zeiss 50/1.5s at f/1.5, and with a bit more contrast too. (This is on a Sony A7iii.) With the ZM version the story is likely different. Still it's a lotta lens for the £$€. The focal length is shorter than the Zeisses, which are ~53mm.…closer to an actual 50mm.

One issue is the 55mm filter thread size: too small. My 55mm 3-stop ND filter causes some vignetting as does the supplied hood. A 58 or 60mm thread diameter would fix this.

Ironically I got the lens to use on my M9 but have yet to actually do that.

-Dave-
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Post by: KLaban on May 01, 2018, 04:21:51 am
Thanks Dave.
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Post by: muntanela on May 01, 2018, 08:08:21 am
Emerus major, Polygonatum odoratum and Cephalanthera longifolia at the feet of Mount San Martino (very steep path, maximum heart rate during the last walk 119, average heart rate 90, still shortness of breath :().
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Post by: KLaban on May 01, 2018, 08:29:55 am
I suppose these notions must have sold a helluva lot of Rolleiflex and Hasselblad cameras in the day.

Now, a few minutes at the computer before the News comes on, and there you are, even a simple little crop-frame Nikon will do.

Kinda depressing, in a perverse sort of way...

Rob, if you're referring here to the high quality of the Zeiss lenses for Rolleiflex and Hasselblad then of course, they sold cameras.

The case of the 50mm Zeiss Sonnar ZM is different in that it is any thing but a flawless lens, it's very different from my Leica lenses being the softest lens I own. Perversely though it still helps to sell Leica cameras because folk buy it for its flawed qualities.

Probably my favourite lens.
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Post by: Telecaster on May 01, 2018, 04:06:06 pm
Comacetic! (Via Leitz 50/2 Summar.)

-Dave-
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Post by: armand on May 01, 2018, 09:30:09 pm
London
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Post by: Telecaster on May 02, 2018, 04:13:07 pm
Ye Grapes! It's Wine o'clock!

(I amuse myself…)

-Dave-
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Post by: Telecaster on May 02, 2018, 04:15:24 pm
The maple tree in my yard most reluctant to let go of last year's leaves is now the most eager to make new ones.  :)

-Dave-
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Post by: Rob C on May 02, 2018, 05:28:32 pm
Rob, if you're referring here to the high quality of the Zeiss lenses for Rolleiflex and Hasselblad then of course, they sold cameras.

The case of the 50mm Zeiss Sonnar ZM is different in that it is any thing but a flawless lens, it's very different from my Leica lenses being the softest lens I own. Perversely though it still helps to sell Leica cameras because folk buy it for its flawed qualities.

Probably my favourite lens.

No, nothing to do with lenses, Keith.

It was a reference to the days (years) of LPs and the glamour of that big, square piece of artwork that was the jacket.

I think it was quite an influence on choice of camera format - you know, living in hope and running on empty? Them wuz the days.

I have just watched Cinema Paradiso, and it broke my heart; not a dry eye in the house. Who needs porn and 007 and Wonderwoman et al? All you need is a good story and some honest little emotions. Whatever happened to people?

;-)
Title: Door Window Horsecart
Post by: David Eckels on May 02, 2018, 07:12:53 pm
From Castillo San Cristóbal on Puerto Rico
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Post by: KLaban on May 03, 2018, 03:21:00 am
No, nothing to do with lenses, Keith.

It was a reference to the days (years) of LPs and the glamour of that big, square piece of artwork that was the jacket.

I think it was quite an influence on choice of camera format - you know, living in hope and running on empty? Them wuz the days.

I have just watched Cinema Paradiso, and it broke my heart; not a dry eye in the house. Who needs porn and 007 and Wonderwoman et al? All you need is a good story and some honest little emotions. Whatever happened to people?

;-)

Whoops.

It would seem that V is right when she tells me that I often have my head up my arse.

;-)
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Post by: Rob C on May 03, 2018, 04:50:27 am
Whoops.

It would seem that V is right when she tells me that I often have my head up my arse.

;-)

Then we make a pair: it's where mine has been for years, and here's another example of 'blad (der) retention:

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Post by: David Eckels on May 03, 2018, 10:20:06 am
Overlook, San Cristobal Puerto Rico
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Post by: JNB_Rare on May 03, 2018, 12:28:16 pm
From Castillo San Cristóbal on Puerto Rico

I like this a lot – the colours, the textures, the composition.
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Post by: guido on May 03, 2018, 02:16:13 pm
Overlook, San Cristobal Puerto Rico

Lovely alignment of elements!
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Post by: David Eckels on May 03, 2018, 02:57:45 pm
Thanks, guys! Here's Another one from that day. Turned into a magnificent thunderstorm.

Opposing Forces
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Post by: pegelli on May 03, 2018, 03:22:28 pm
Centerpiece
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Post by: Telecaster on May 03, 2018, 03:25:52 pm
Centerpiece

London, Eye Sea Ewe!

-Dave-
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Post by: armand on May 03, 2018, 06:20:49 pm
From Castillo San Cristóbal on Puerto Rico

Are these recent? I wonder how much Puerto Rico recovered, if at all.
Title: Re: Door Window Horsecart
Post by: David Eckels on May 03, 2018, 06:23:06 pm
Are these recent? I wonder how much Puerto Rico recovered, if at all.
No, Armand, they are from 2012. Re-doing some from the library.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: David Eckels on May 04, 2018, 01:01:31 pm
Three Doors; two with reflected light.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 04, 2018, 02:44:52 pm
Three Doors; two with reflected light.

And very beautiful reflected light at that.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 04, 2018, 06:09:46 pm
And very beautiful reflected light at that.

Jeremy
+1.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Dahlmann on May 04, 2018, 11:00:05 pm
A red rose!! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180505/83e49b23c2676b3cb9e4fcdcab1d21e6.jpg)

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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 05, 2018, 12:37:24 pm
Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on May 05, 2018, 03:44:28 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 05, 2018, 04:59:24 pm
Somewhere I've got color negs of dragons I took in Singapore c. 1997. They were part of the opening day ceremony for a business I was involved with at the time.  :)  But I'm not sure where I've put the negs so this pair of young lilac blooms will have to do.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2018, 04:22:48 am
Pleasures of a rainy afternoon.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on May 06, 2018, 04:34:13 am
^

Lovely shots, Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2018, 06:56:56 am
^

Lovely shots, Rob.

Thank you, Keith; spent an hour or so sitting in the rain down the coast in Alcudia, where there's this abandoned/reserve? old power station. Been that way for ages, and I'd love to go in and explore, but lack the armed guard. As well as the nerve. However, it doesn't stop the good olde graffiti artists: right at the very dizzy top, there's a massive gang graffito. Wow, indeed!

The lot was shot with the 2.8/180 which waves about like a magic wand in ecstasy. I managed to get some crisp(ish) and I'm working on them at the mo, except right now I'm sitting having lunch nearby.

Love that focal length, but so hard (for me) to hand-hold.

Thanks again.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: muntanela on May 06, 2018, 07:06:59 am
A real master (Rob).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on May 06, 2018, 07:34:41 am
Thank you, Keith; spent an hour or so sitting in the rain down the coast in Alcudia, where there's this abandoned/reserve? old power station. Been that way for ages, and I'd love to go in and explore, but lack the armed guard. As well as the nerve. However, it doesn't stop the good olde graffiti artists: right at the very dizzy top, there's a massive gang graffito. Wow, indeed!

The lot was shot with the 2.8/180 which waves about like a magic wand in ecstasy. I managed to get some crisp(ish) and I'm working on them at the mo, except right now I'm sitting having lunch nearby.

Love that focal length, but so hard (for me) to hand-hold.

Thanks again.

Rob

I'd be in there like a rat up a drainpipe, but perhaps I'm lacking in the danger gene department.

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2018, 07:39:35 am
A real master (Rob).

Now that is very generous!

But I shall cling to it and not let go.

:-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2018, 07:44:52 am
I'd be in there like a rat up a drainpipe, but perhaps I'm lacking in the danger gene department.

;-)


I'm older than you are, and worry about falling ill in some place where my cellphone may not function or I may just be too knackered to cope...

On the other hand, better make a mess where it makes little difference to the general scheme of things, than to play out the same mini-drama at home, and perhaps ruin a bed and a carpet!

I have been thinking about going to have a chat with the local fuzz and see if access can perhaps be arranged...

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 06, 2018, 08:40:33 am
Well, I'm too old to learn how to use a cell phone, Rob, but I agree with the others: You've got a good eye!

Eric
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on May 06, 2018, 08:43:53 am
Pleasures of a rainy afternoon.

Rob

I love the light of Rainy Days...dreamscapes.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on May 06, 2018, 10:44:59 am

I'm older than you are, and worry about falling ill in some place where my cellphone may not function or I may just be too knackered to cope...

On the other hand, better make a mess where it makes little difference to the general scheme of things, than to play out the same mini-drama at home, and perhaps ruin a bed and a carpet!

I have been thinking about going to have a chat with the local fuzz and see if access can perhaps be arranged...

Rob

Just make sure you're not alone when accessing these places.

As you know I spend much time in derelict buildings but I'm always with my personal minder. If things look particularly dangerous she will stay outside to raise the alarm if needed. I never - well, hardly ever - risk it alone.

Looks as if it could be really interesting.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on May 06, 2018, 11:52:49 am
Rob found a hipster hobby (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_exploration). Grow the right beard and you'll instantly feel 20 years younger...

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2018, 12:35:14 pm
Rob found a hipster hobby (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_exploration). Grow the right beard and you'll instantly feel 20 years younger...

;-)

I have the beard - whether hip or not I can't say - but reading that link and all about "stray voltage" put the hammer on the idea. Asbestos, too, is most likely there - it is an old stablishment after all.

Best keeping a long lens employed, or a drone (not that I have a drone, of course), seems nice and sensible.

:-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on May 06, 2018, 01:33:51 pm
Rob found a hipster hobby (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_exploration). Grow the right beard and you'll instantly feel 20 years younger...

;-)

Gosh, it appears to be risky.

Who would have thunk it?
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 06, 2018, 02:04:09 pm
Gosh, it appears to be risky.

Who would have thunk it?

;-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: KLaban on May 06, 2018, 04:33:03 pm
India. Leica M240, 35mm Summilux ASPH.

(http://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Pink_Interior.jpg)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on May 07, 2018, 01:42:40 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 07, 2018, 02:13:24 pm
I like verticals too, but it isn't that easy to find something that isn't too narrow when using 135 format frame cameras.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 07, 2018, 08:54:44 pm
Today in let the tools choose the photo: this pedestrian pic of a box on a sill. The non-pedestrian part is that the lens is an early/mid 1950s Zeiss-Opton 50/1.5 Sonnar, with focus achieved via a Contax RF mount (internal bayonet lenses only) to M mount Voigtländer adapter atop a Techart M mount to Sony E mount AF adapter. In the early days of the digital era I figured it was unlikely I'd ever be able to use this lens in front of a sensor, much less via autofocus!

This is wide open at the Techart's closest focusing distance: ~70cm. Closer than you get on a Contax RF camera. And the Techart/camera combo will AF all over the frame, well into the zones of diminishing returns with this particular lens at f/1.5.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 08, 2018, 04:04:03 am
Today in let the tools choose the photo: this pedestrian pic of a box on a sill. The non-pedestrian part is that the lens is an early/mid 1950s Zeiss-Opton 50/1.5 Sonnar, with focus achieved via a Contax RF mount (internal bayonet lenses only) to M mount Voigtländer adapter atop a Techart M mount to Sony E mount AF adapter. In the early days of the digital era I figured it was unlikely I'd ever be able to use this lens in front of a sensor, much less via autofocus!

This is wide open at the Techart's closest focusing distance: ~70cm. Closer than you get on a Contax RF camera. And the Techart/camera combo will AF all over the frame, well into the zones of diminishing returns with this particular lens at f/1.5.

-Dave-

Lovely picture; at first glance it reminded me of those great cigarette adverts of long ago.

https://www.google.com/search?q=benson+and+hedges+gold+advertising&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt1Mun0_XaAhUnMZoKHS1IA1QQsAQIJg&biw=1259&bih=863

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 08, 2018, 08:36:28 am
It is a lovely picture!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on May 08, 2018, 01:49:11 pm
A kid's dream
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 08, 2018, 03:01:48 pm
A kid's dream

Makes my teeth hurt just looking at it. (But my inner kid wants a bagful of the stuff anyway!)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 08, 2018, 03:08:00 pm
Lovely picture; at first glance it reminded me of those great cigarette adverts of long ago.

Hah! When my friend Susan saw the box she said it looked like the one her dad kept Cigarillos in when she was a youngster. :)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 08, 2018, 05:42:40 pm
Hah! When my friend Susan saw the box she said it looked like the one her dad kept Cigarillos in when she was a youngster. :)

-Dave-

I think I like Susan.

:-)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 08, 2018, 09:11:28 pm
This spring's nascent lilac blooms were decimated by the ice storm we had 24 days ago, but here's one that made it through.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 09, 2018, 09:59:48 am
A longtime friend of mine is in town for business stuff, so we've been hanging out in the evenings. As with the Techart pic this is from his hotel room window. Full-res crop as the longest lens I had was a 135mm. Sony A7iii.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 09, 2018, 03:55:23 pm
From today's park walk via the Sony/Techart/Sonnar rig. Maybe I should start a series called Unnecessary Signage. (The park rangers did a lotta good work over the winter, though, like clearing out saplings and tall brush from grassy areas and so making wildflowers happier.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Unnecessary Signage
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 09, 2018, 08:40:48 pm
Ambiguous traffic light ahead.
They go well with my shot in post #1441.
Title: Re: Unnecessary Signage
Post by: Telecaster on May 09, 2018, 10:27:48 pm
They go well with my shot in post #1441.

Hehe, so they do.  :D  Must continue on then.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 10, 2018, 11:29:32 am
Probably the last one I can squeeze out of my little rainy afternoon trip to the old power station. Well, I was only there for about an hour, and never got out of the car.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: David Eckels on May 10, 2018, 05:51:55 pm
I think Saul would approve.

;-)

Rob
I do too!
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 11, 2018, 04:18:46 am
I do too!

Heysoos, David, you have some memory! But thanks - I think?

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on May 11, 2018, 07:15:11 am
Probably the last one I can squeeze out of my little rainy afternoon trip to the old power station. Well, I was only there for about an hour, and never got out of the car.

A fine shot, Rob.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 11, 2018, 08:07:06 am
A fine shot, Rob.


Thanks, Russ, I think it is a site that would really fit in well with your old prairie relics interests; human constructs beyond their time...

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 11, 2018, 03:38:52 pm
One more from hotel room window. Sony/Techart/Sonnar rig at f/2.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: armand on May 15, 2018, 09:53:29 pm
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Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: farbschlurf on May 16, 2018, 03:16:28 am
Just a preliminary one from an ongoing trip ...

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/963/42097619722_36f093bb79_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2792iFG)Near Reutte / Tirol (https://flic.kr/p/2792iFG) by Stefan Berndt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fototypo/), auf Flickr
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 16, 2018, 07:23:23 am
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Love that, and the sense of clean it has.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on May 16, 2018, 07:32:34 am
+1. Do it again.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on May 16, 2018, 07:35:48 am
A kid's dream
Probably owned by a dentist...or his kinfolk.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on May 16, 2018, 07:49:56 am
hmmm, street or whatever...
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 16, 2018, 09:46:30 am
I'm not sure how the peculiar, repeated fence shapes in the upper part got there; I kinda suspect it had something to do with freak light reflecting off the surfaces of the individual elements in the lens.

I hope I didn't post it before as part of the power station shoot of the other week.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: RSL on May 16, 2018, 09:59:41 am
Well, it's certainly mysterious.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 16, 2018, 11:39:09 am
+1.
And the fence pattern adds to the mystery.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 16, 2018, 05:41:39 pm
A pair of tiny critters from today's park walk. Also saw a pair of orioles…very unusual around here. Just as unusual as the chickadee sitting still long enough for me to take three whole frames!

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 16, 2018, 09:16:59 pm
A tale of two lenses. The first is a Zeiss Jena 85/2 Sonnar in Leica Thread Mount, the second a Leica 75/2.4 Summarit. The Zeiss is likely a late 1940s lens assembled from WWII-era components while the Leica was made in 2016. Photos via a Sony A7iii + Techart Pro AF adapter for M mount lenses. Both lenses wide open at minimum focus, 90 & 75cm respectively, with a little additional extension from the Techart. Both photos cropped (not much) for near-identical framing and also processed in iOS Affinity Photo close to identically.

IMO there's very little in it. The Leica has a bit more resolution & snap while the Zeiss has more focal length & speed. Neither impedes anyone from taking a compelling photo nor is capable of turning sows' ears into silk purses.

(I took the two critter pics above with the Zeiss Jena lens.)

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: 32BT on May 17, 2018, 12:06:40 am
Summarit >>>>>> Sonnar

Is the color balance difference due to lens only? Or is there a WB processing difference involved?

Considering the color, combined with the softer backfocus look, I very much prefer the Summarit. 
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 17, 2018, 03:19:23 pm
Summarit >>>>>> Sonnar

Is the color balance difference due to lens only? Or is there a WB processing difference involved?

Considering the color, combined with the softer backfocus look, I very much prefer the Summarit.

The color balance difference is in the lenses. The Zeiss is an early coated lens and renders with less color saturation than most anything from the SLR era forward. (I also have a pre-WWII version, uncoated, with a very cool color rendering.) The Summarit, besides "seeing" with higher saturation, also has a pinkish tilt common to current Leica lenses.

The Sonnar, for a ~70 year old version of an 80+ year old design, IMO hangs in there pretty well.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 18, 2018, 03:03:57 pm
The park trails I love walking on are really pretty at this time of year. The greens are fresh & clean and the browns have pleasingly darkened. I spent lotsa time on this particular walk just standing and letting my senses take it all in.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 18, 2018, 04:14:15 pm
Sweet soul music.

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on May 19, 2018, 02:43:00 am
Sweet soul music.

...interesting, jumped out at me.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on May 19, 2018, 02:44:04 am
stuck in traffic at the crossing
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 19, 2018, 04:18:24 am
stuck in traffic at the crossing

I keep looking in vain for all those '59 Coupe de Villes, Pontiac '73 Grand Prix... even an Eldorado with horns would be okay and reassure me!

Has the US really lost its love affair with cars? Funny thing: Mallorca has lots of Mercedes, but the majority appear to be taxis. A few folks with no money buy used BMW 3 series coupes and then end up with even less money than they started with, if you see what I mean. I don't know who buys the new ones, other than my doctor who has sold his in favour of a 4 Gran Coupé model because he is now a granddad and needs a rear door even though he rathers it didn't apear obvious (that it's a door, not his grandfathership).

Funny thing, the mind: I drive a small car - a Fiesta - and there are loads of places I don't even try to get through in the old town here; yet, periodically, you see builder's trucks there with cranes, unloading cement and cement mixers. Perhaps the drivers just don't care, and figure the buildings will collapse before the truck gets seriously damaged. Or a damaged truck is yet another, secret rite of passage? (No pun etc.)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 19, 2018, 06:04:44 pm
Bob's photo is kinda misleading in that there are no large pickup trucks with fierce-looking front grills in it. "Check out my style!" has been replaced in large part by "Stay away from me!"

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 20, 2018, 04:44:42 am
Bob's photo is kinda misleading in that there are no large pickup trucks with fierce-looking front grills in it. "Check out my style!" has been replaced in large part by "Stay away from me!"

-Dave-

I think bull bars are illegal in the UK, though some trucks have them out here in Spain.

Worse, I think, are those towing hooks that extend from the rear of some vehicles. Plastic doesn't stand much of a chance against them, even if they are disguised under half a tennis ball.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: drmike on May 20, 2018, 05:08:52 am
I think bull bars are illegal in the UK, though some trucks have them out here in Spain.

Worse, I think, are those towing hooks that extend from the rear of some vehicles. Plastic doesn't stand much of a chance against them, even if they are disguised under half a tennis ball.

Rob

Bull bars were made illegal to fit as they kill and maim pedestrians. Tow balls won't do that and really should you be that close to the car in front?

I was sitting in my parked car as someone carefully drove into/onto my tow ball. What was he thinking of? Well a new radiator I expect :)

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 20, 2018, 06:30:37 am
Bull bars were made illegal to fit as they kill and maim pedestrians. Tow balls won't do that and really should you be that close to the car in front?

I was sitting in my parked car as someone carefully drove into/onto my tow ball. What was he thinking of? Well a new radiator I expect :)


Absolutely correct.

Also absolutely correct is the fact that folks with towing hooks don't park any better than the guys who drive into them.

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on May 20, 2018, 09:45:33 am
Farmhouse parlour
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on May 20, 2018, 09:58:44 am
Farmhouse parlour

A universal moment...Great image.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 20, 2018, 10:25:53 am
Yeah, it helps looking around the old pad when you can't be bothered going out.

And a lazy guy just loves black and white.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: petermfiore on May 20, 2018, 11:04:34 am
Yeah, it helps looking around the old pad when you can't be bothered going out.

And a lazy guy just loves black and white.

My Kinda hunt...Love it.

Peter
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 20, 2018, 04:41:30 pm
Hotel room pic from a couple weeks back.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 20, 2018, 04:53:24 pm
Hotel room pic from a couple weeks back.

I've stayed in places like that. Depressing, isn't it?

Jeremy
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on May 20, 2018, 06:36:10 pm
The Royal Roost. The chair on the right bears a plaque that reads "This chair was used by his Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh..."  Who keeps track of these things? In days gone by there was the Groom of the Stool, but that was a much more intimate throne (and function) :)
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: BobDavid on May 20, 2018, 06:49:23 pm
The Royal Roost. The chair on the right bears a plaque that reads "This chair was used by his Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh..."  Who keeps track of these things? In days gone by there was the Groom of the Stool, but that was a much more intimate throne (and function) :)

...reminds me of the director Wes Anderson (except I don't recall any of his films being in black and white).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: drmike on May 21, 2018, 02:32:55 am
Who keeps track of these things?

You bet we do. We have a chair (which the cat has taken ownership of) used the Prince of Wales before he became King George the fifth. It is of course referred to as the King's chair - which no doubt pleases the cat.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 21, 2018, 04:23:00 am
The Royal Roost. The chair on the right bears a plaque that reads "This chair was used by his Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh..."  Who keeps track of these things? In days gone by there was the Groom of the Stool, but that was a much more intimate throne (and function) :)


Nice image; there's a sense of incipient drama/horror about to be played out, which I think would be totally lost in colour. Where's Jack N.?

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 21, 2018, 04:24:33 am
My Kinda hunt...Love it.

Peter

Thanks Peter, appreciated.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 21, 2018, 03:51:54 pm
I've stayed in places like that. Depressing, isn't it?

This particular hotel is a favorite of former colleagues of mine when they're in town. Good business location. Oppressively bland: imagine a world where the only colors are beige and taupe.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 21, 2018, 04:12:02 pm
The Royal Roost. The chair on the right bears a plaque that reads "This chair was used by his Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh..."  Who keeps track of these things?

When my pal Patty & I were driving through the American southwest in 1993 we stayed in the "Burt Lancaster Room" at the El Rancho Hotel in Gallup, New Mexico. Apparently ol' Burt had occupied the same room decades earlier while doing location shooting for a film. Anyway, after we unlocked the door and dropped our backpacks on the floor Patty flopped down on the bed. Which squeaked very loudly. "I don't think BURT LANCASTER would've put up with this sh*t!" Patty said, even more loudly. This has been a running joke between us ever since.  :D

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on May 21, 2018, 10:45:19 pm
When my pal Patty & I were driving through the American southwest in 1993 we stayed in the "Burt Lancaster Room" at the El Rancho Hotel in Gallup, New Mexico. Apparently ol' Burt had occupied the same room decades earlier while doing location shooting for a film. Anyway, after we unlocked the door and dropped our backpacks on the floor Patty flopped down on the bed. Which squeaked very loudly. "I don't think BURT LANCASTER would've put up with this sh*t!" Patty said, even more loudly. This has been a running joke between us ever since.  :D

-Dave-

Brings to mind a couple of scenes from Delicatessen, including this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAHRPDTYWE).
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 22, 2018, 07:38:02 am
Brings to mind a couple of scenes from Delicatessen, including this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAHRPDTYWE).

Ha! Delicatessen, the movie! Loved it.

On a totally unrelated note, the art director for the movie was brother of my best man.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 22, 2018, 08:45:28 am
Great clip, but totally lost to me sans language...

The girl has a great acting ability, keeping a straight face despite all the undercurrent of later bounces (one might hope), to come...

Having run through all the Engrenages, Braquo and Sopranos episodes, I am now reduced to The Shield - which I find totally wooden (watched five episodes to date) and I began Breaking Bad which had a reasonable pilot, but turned unwatchable for me later on. I also have access to some Brit series too, but just can't relate.

I find European drama much more gripping and complex; so complex at times, that when I get to bed I ask my no-longer-there-wife if she understood what the hell was going on? I suppose it's a combination of hearing getting less focussed as well as dependency (for French) mainly on sub-titles. As for the names of characters - forget it! Even with the Sopranos I could only name the hero/villain, his wife and two brats. The rest of 'em were almost interchangeable - especially the wives - just like different versions of the same focal length lens.

No wonder I spend so much time LuLa-ing! Don't nobody suggest going out to make some pix: done that, got the snaps and then/now what?

Thank goodnes for a little southern music.
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: JNB_Rare on May 22, 2018, 12:13:34 pm
Great clip, but totally lost to me sans language...

The girl has a great acting ability, keeping a straight face despite all the undercurrent of later bounces (one might hope), to come...

The man has come to fix the squeaky bed. Earlier in the film there were 'bounces' which led to the request for a fix. Rhythm & Squeak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9F7HxbOCBQ)
If you can find it, Delicatessen is a wonderful dark comedy from directors Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Marc Caro. Other favourites of theirs include City of Lost Children and Amélie (starring Audrey Tautou).

Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Rob C on May 22, 2018, 02:34:36 pm
The man has come to fix the squeaky bed. Earlier in the film there were 'bounces' which led to the request for a fix. Rhythm & Squeak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9F7HxbOCBQ)
If you can find it, Delicatessen is a wonderful dark comedy from directors Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Marc Caro. Other favourites of theirs include City of Lost Children and Amélie (starring Audrey Tautou).


Thanks for the link! Reminds me of small hotels in rural France, which explains the sudden rash of Ibis chains, etc.! Anything for a good night's sleep!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 23, 2018, 05:32:09 pm
From today's park walk. Lotsa ladies out & about with cameras, from young 'uns to even older than me.  ;)  Also saw a guy perched in a tree out over the water, framing up a blackbird with his smartgizmo. Okaaay… I stood by, waiting for a photo op of my own, but though the guy slipped a bit at one point he failed to tumble into the lake. Oh well… I had the Sony A7iii/Techart combo with me, using a 1970s Leitz 40/2 Summicron-C. Lens performs pretty darn well. No magenta edges or astigmatized corners.

-Dave-
Title: Re: Without Prejudice 3
Post by: Telecaster on May 23, 2018, 08