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The Art of Photography => User Critiques => Topic started by: maddogmurph on February 05, 2017, 01:50:54 pm

Title: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: maddogmurph on February 05, 2017, 01:50:54 pm
Suggestions for either or directions to go appreciated
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Monochrome
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on February 05, 2017, 03:11:16 pm
I've never seen such a colourful monochrome...

Jeremy
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Monochrome
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 05, 2017, 04:37:19 pm
I've never seen such a colourful monochrome...

Jeremy
+1.
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Monochrome
Post by: John R on February 05, 2017, 04:39:55 pm
Strictly up to you. Do want natural or more stylistic? I like both. The bottom split tone has blue where the white was (see water), and I do like it. I visited someone's site, and he has a whole series with blue split tones. All fine shots; its a look or style, like duotone. Very nice nice shot, btw.

JR
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Monochrome
Post by: maddogmurph on February 06, 2017, 02:43:51 am
I've never seen such a colourful monochrome...

Jeremy

https://color.adobe.com/create/color-wheel/?base=0&rule=Triad&selected=1&name=My%20Color%20Theme&mode=rgb&rgbvalues=0.042097617808506134,0.17,0,0.07103134309461301,0.22,0.021999999999999995,0.025355555555555603,0.031609620660174836,0.5752941176470588,0.67,0.24053913603428834,0.02518746320855302,0.89,0.41370885187699796,0.1748742941638002&swatchOrder=0,1,2,3,4

Monochromatic is a color scheme. Black and white is one rendition of monochromatic processing.
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Monochrome
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on February 06, 2017, 02:46:02 pm
https://color.adobe.com/create/color-wheel/?base=0&rule=Triad&selected=1&name=My%20Color%20Theme&mode=rgb&rgbvalues=0.042097617808506134,0.17,0,0.07103134309461301,0.22,0.021999999999999995,0.025355555555555603,0.031609620660174836,0.5752941176470588,0.67,0.24053913603428834,0.02518746320855302,0.89,0.41370885187699796,0.1748742941638002&swatchOrder=0,1,2,3,4

Monochromatic is a color scheme. Black and white is one rendition of monochromatic processing.

I know what the word means: it means "one colour". In photography, it's usually used to mean what one might, a little inaccurately, call "black and white". Looking at the two images on my laptop, I wondered if you'd accidentally posted the same one twice, intending to post a b&w version.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Monochrome
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 06, 2017, 03:56:27 pm
https://color.adobe.com/create/color-wheel/?base=0&rule=Triad&selected=1&name=My%20Color%20Theme&mode=rgb&rgbvalues=0.042097617808506134,0.17,0,0.07103134309461301,0.22,0.021999999999999995,0.025355555555555603,0.031609620660174836,0.5752941176470588,0.67,0.24053913603428834,0.02518746320855302,0.89,0.41370885187699796,0.1748742941638002&swatchOrder=0,1,2,3,4

Monochromatic is a color scheme. Black and white is one rendition of monochromatic processing.
But neither of your images fits what Adobe seems to be suggesting if you click on "monochromatic" on their diagram.

Monochromatic means one color, as Jeremy pointed out, and that color can be used in many different intensities (like shades of gray in a black and white image). If you convert a B&W image to shades of pink, it is still monochromatic. But if you have pink and purple in the same image, it is no longer monochromatic.

Both of your images have many colors, so what do you think is monochromatic about the one you labeled that way?
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Monochrome
Post by: maddogmurph on February 06, 2017, 09:18:36 pm
But neither of your images fits what Adobe seems to be suggesting if you click on "monochromatic" on their diagram.

Monochromatic means one color, as Jeremy pointed out, and that color can be used in many different intensities (like shades of gray in a black and white image). If you convert a B&W image to shades of pink, it is still monochromatic. But if you have pink and purple in the same image, it is no longer monochromatic.

Both of your images have many colors, so what do you think is monochromatic about the one you labeled that way?

Ok, it's not monochrome. Settled. Also this has nothing to do with the question or suggestions part of the photos posted. Sigh.
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 06, 2017, 11:51:58 pm
OK, I guess I was confused by your terminology, so I'm not clear on what you are asking for.

Yes, the two images are certainly different, but I don't see either as obviously "better" than the other.
You have shown us lots of excellent images, so clearly you aren't a beginner, and I think you can trust your own judgement.

If these were mine, I would print them both and put the prints up somewhere where I could see them every day for a few weeks. Eventually I think I would find one version more satisfying than the other, and I might also come up with ideas of how I would like to reprocess it.

For what little it's worth, at this very moment I find the first one more convincing than the second. But that could just be me.
It's definitely worth living with for a while to see what pops.

Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: maddogmurph on February 07, 2017, 01:55:36 am
For what little it's worth, at this very moment I find the first one more convincing than the second. But that could just be me.

I agree, I lean towards the first. In general they just seems somehow seem incomplete... like it needs something. I frequently post just because I don't really have anyone to ask. I suppose often it doesn't really matter in the end. I guess I'm always trying to move towards perfecting my images and seeking ideas from others. But I rarely seem to get constructive "try this" type advice.
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Monochrome
Post by: RSL on February 07, 2017, 10:32:27 am
I know what the word means: it means "one colour". In photography, it's usually used to mean what one might, a little inaccurately, call "black and white". Looking at the two images on my laptop, I wondered if you'd accidentally posted the same one twice, intending to post a b&w version.

Jeremy

That was my reaction exactly. A suggested title: "Humps in the Sea."
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: Patricia Sheley on February 07, 2017, 11:09:13 am
...just a note re: "Try this" Can't seem to find my way to either/or because have been unable to come to rest on any one sense of the file. What were his senses, what drew him to this place...so just a nudge toward poking around a bit in your sense of the file first, and then taking off on your paths might prove rewarding...here are a few quick "senses of place" of the file for me, but maybe not for you. Would love to spend time through the tides in this location, and through the lights and weathers. Thanks , Pat

Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: Patricia Sheley on February 07, 2017, 03:43:51 pm
~forgot to add, even as we do not always know the "what" of why we are drawn, when trying to find my way in an other's file, something in my past will often come out of hiding...hesitated to admit at first the obvious into the equation, but it was a long time ago, on a windsurfing board off the coast at the lighthouse in Aruba that two of us suddenly sailed into the midst of a similar scene where we knew the waters to be 20-40 feet in depth. Dropped sails and sat on our boards in the tropical sun among a flotilla of sea tortoises for a good long while. Thought I would never lose that experience, but almost did. It was amazing and other worldly. Thank you for the association brought back from the depths.
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: Rob C on February 07, 2017, 06:05:59 pm
Isn't Aruba where you need a bank in order to buy a beer?

The Beach Boys do mention it in their version of Kokomo which is nothing like the first couple of Kokomo versions way back in the mid-50s. Those were Rock 'n' Roll, not saccharine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5_AD9wXuY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOOpch8o5a8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNA1Rtoyiqg

Rob C
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: maddogmurph on February 08, 2017, 12:32:38 am
...sea tortoises...

I'm now quite tempted to put sea turtle heads on these rocks...
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 08, 2017, 09:48:15 am
I'm now quite tempted to put sea turtle heads on these rocks...
After Pat's comment, that's the way I'm seeing them anyway.
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: philaitman on February 09, 2017, 08:44:15 am
I prefer the warmth of the second one.
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: Michael West on February 09, 2017, 09:09:06 pm
From the Websters 1828 Dicitonary

Monochromatic

MONOCHROMAT'IC, adjective [Gr. sole, and color.] Consisting of one color, or presenting rays of light of one color only.

http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/Monochromatic

Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on February 10, 2017, 03:48:37 am
From the Websters 1828 Dicitonary

Monochromatic

MONOCHROMAT'IC, adjective [Gr. sole, and color.] Consisting of one color, or presenting rays of light of one color only.

I know what the word means: it means "one colour". In photography, it's usually used to mean what one might, a little inaccurately, call "black and white".
Jeremy

Spot the difference? No, nor can I (save that my spelling is better  ;)).

Jeremy
Title: Re: Split Tone vs Not-Monochrome
Post by: Rob C on February 10, 2017, 04:27:30 am
Spot the difference? No, nor can I (save that my spelling is better  ;)).

Jeremy

Absolutely right.

Rob C