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The Art of Photography => User Critiques => Topic started by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on January 24, 2017, 11:10:36 am

Title: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on January 24, 2017, 11:10:36 am
I really like the ancient and mostly monochromatic style of Chinese Hanging Scroll Paintings from the Han dynasty (206 BC - 220 AD) and after studying this style for some time, I thought I would attempt to create my own version of it when I was shooting this image.

This isn't a cropped image, but a very large vertical pano  :)

Dave
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 24, 2017, 01:12:36 pm
Beautiful, Dave.
For me it really captures the feel of a Chinese Hand Scroll.
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: EricV on January 24, 2017, 04:36:36 pm
Very very nice, accomplishing exactly what you intended.  It would even work as a scroll, revealing the scene in sections, if scrolled from bottom to top.  Now if only a heron had flown by over the water :)
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: Stephen Girimont on January 24, 2017, 06:17:33 pm
Wonderful!
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 24, 2017, 06:35:49 pm
+1
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: RSL on January 25, 2017, 07:53:15 am
+2
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: francois on January 25, 2017, 08:20:31 am
Subtle colors and faint lines, this shot exudes beauty!
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on January 25, 2017, 08:58:14 am
Thanks everyone  :)

I made this image a couple of years ago and I was never very sure if anyone else other than me would like it, so after showing it here is the first time, I am taken aback for how well it has been received - thanks again everyone.

...Now if only a heron had flown by over the water :)

Eric, if you know me by now, you will also know that to say such a thing is like a challenge to me to do exactly what you asked for - however, as I also know how compositing images is normally frowned upon within most photographic communities, so ignoring that and deciding what the heck as I like a good challenge anyway, so just for fun and for no other reason or commercial gain etc, I have tried to do exactly as you have requested - hope you like it  ;)

Dave
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: visualizer on January 25, 2017, 11:41:30 am
Dave,
Elegant.
I am a Chinese art collector.
The term should be Chinese hanging scroll.
A hand scroll is a long horizontal painting.
John M R
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: RSL on January 25, 2017, 12:14:35 pm
No, Dave. Stick with the original.
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: EricV on January 25, 2017, 12:46:40 pm
Ha, I did not really expect to be humored.  Of course the original is much better.
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on January 25, 2017, 12:58:00 pm
It's a beautifully-processed shot, Dave.

Jeremy
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hand Scroll paintings and drawings
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on January 25, 2017, 03:10:20 pm
Thanks again guys - as I said, the second version was only for fun and other than for the heck of it and only for you guys on this forum, the composite version will never see the light of day again, it was just a can I do it, yes I can moment.

Dave,
Elegant.
I am a Chinese art collector.
The term should be Chinese hanging scroll.
A hand scroll is a long horizontal painting.
John M R

Thank you John, this just shows my ignorance on the subject, other than studying the look of this type of 'style' through what limited visual information is available in print (can you recommend any books? -that I can afford) and the rather long but brilliant and exhaustive lectures by the Emeritus Professor Cahill at UC Berkeley Events available on-line here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGoEkPj-C5o&index=2&list=PL5A732B4758A5E5D7) and here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cku0_KT7Dak&list=PLOyuQaVrp4qprEwhLX30FA26jA-iOrp3f).

But yes John you are correct, it should be "Hanging Scroll" and not "Hand Scroll", both of which I have tried to emulate, but horizontal compositions using photography just look like large panos which of course they are, whereas thin and vertically stitched images, seem much more in-keeping with this style, thanks  ;)

Dave
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: visualizer on January 25, 2017, 03:33:02 pm
Dave,
Professor Cahill was my mentor, and published some
of my research on his website. A nice book to start:
How to Read Chinese Paintings (The Metropolitan Museum of Art)
Less than $20 on Amazon.
Keep up the great photography.
John M R
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on January 25, 2017, 04:50:29 pm
Dave,
Professor Cahill was my mentor, and published some
of my research on his website. A nice book to start:
How to Read Chinese Paintings (The Metropolitan Museum of Art)
Less than $20 on Amazon.
Keep up the great photography.
John M R

Thanks John, it is now ordered and on its way to me -  ;)

What do you think of the photographic work by Don Hong-Oai (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Don+Hong-Oai&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjh1NCIo97RAhWGChoKHf0aDx0Q_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=634)?

Dave
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: visualizer on January 25, 2017, 06:27:49 pm
I love it. I saw originals at Gallery 71 in Manhattan.
The gallery owner, Alfredo Gonzalez, is also a
great photographer.
http://www.gallery71.com/dynamic/artist.asp?ArtistID=16

John M R
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: churly on January 26, 2017, 04:39:33 pm
Great shot Dave!

I found this article from Lula 2012 interesting.
Chuck


https://luminous-landscape.com/the-synthesis-of-chinese-landscape-painting-and-photography/ (https://luminous-landscape.com/the-synthesis-of-chinese-landscape-painting-and-photography/)
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: visualizer on January 27, 2017, 02:19:14 am
Thank you Chuck,
That was an inspiration.
I knew that I joined Lula for
a good reason!
John M R
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on February 02, 2017, 02:49:21 pm
Dave,
Professor Cahill was my mentor, and published some
of my research on his website. A nice book to start:
How to Read Chinese Paintings (The Metropolitan Museum of Art)
Less than $20 on Amazon.
Keep up the great photography.
John M R

The book has just arrived and after a quick thumb through it, I can already tell that I am going to really enjoy reading it and using the work within it as a good source of inspiration.

Thanks again John for the link to the book and everyone for your comments  ;)
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: visualizer on February 03, 2017, 02:40:36 am
Dave
Glad you got the book. Enjoy a historic view of art
from a very spiritual perspective. The Chinese have
understood that "true art" is not really a product of man,
but is instead a product of the "universal spirit", Daoism,
expressing itself through man. Compositional dynamics
are the the real truth as to what is art.
Can you move the viewer to what you feel?
Title: Re: With more than a nod towards ancient Chinese Hanging Scroll paintings/drawings
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 03, 2017, 09:33:41 am
Can you move the viewer to what you feel?
That is truly the heart of the matter.