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Title: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Hywel on December 30, 2016, 04:05:07 pm
Hi All,

  If you could ask one thing of camera and gear manufacturers in 2017, what would it be?

  Mine would be for proper RAW histograms. Standard on every new camera, added to firmware on every existing camera as an option where feasible. Show the actual unrescaled-for-white-balance channel-by-channel values, and indicate if any channel is clipping (for more than some small fraction of sensels, say 0.1%).

  Really, it is nearly 2017. I've been shooting digital for over 15 years. How come this is not absolutely standard across all cameras and all manufacturers by now???

  If you want to know how to do it, play with a RED for a while. Goalpost indicators for under and over exposure, clipping traffic lights and either a rescaled for white balance histogram or a pure RAW histogram as you prefer. This should be on every digital camera that shoots RAW.

  Cheers, Hywel



 
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: davidgp on December 31, 2016, 04:14:12 am
My only regret from moving to my actual Sony A7 II from a Canon 5d II is that now I can't use magic lantern with their RAW histograms... If a bunch of hackers can offer it... Manufacturers are just lazy for not offering it... That will be also my number one request


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Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on December 31, 2016, 04:17:44 am
135 f2.8 lens from Sony or Zeiss, to use on my A7II. With minimum focusing distance of around 90 cm.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 31, 2016, 05:02:40 am
To stop releasing products I feel attracted in buying? ;)

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 31, 2016, 05:11:37 am
Hi,

I would agree on raw histograms.

Other than that I would like to have more presets, compact lenses of high quality, like 24-70/4 zooms without compromise. I don't like the trend good stuff equals large aperture stuff.

I would also like to have a lightweight geared head, with gears on three axes.

Best regards
Erik

Hi All,

  If you could ask one thing of camera and gear manufacturers in 2017, what would it be?

  Mine would be for proper RAW histograms. Standard on every new camera, added to firmware on every existing camera as an option where feasible. Show the actual unrescaled-for-white-balance channel-by-channel values, and indicate if any channel is clipping (for more than some small fraction of sensels, say 0.1%).

  Really, it is nearly 2017. I've been shooting digital for over 15 years. How come this is not absolutely standard across all cameras and all manufacturers by now???

  If you want to know how to do it, play with a RED for a while. Goalpost indicators for under and over exposure, clipping traffic lights and either a rescaled for white balance histogram or a pure RAW histogram as you prefer. This should be on every digital camera that shoots RAW.

  Cheers, Hywel



 
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Bo_Dez on December 31, 2016, 05:40:21 am
a new, modern design, medium format 80mm 1.8 or f2.

Zeiss to re-enter the Medium Format business.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: hogloff on December 31, 2016, 09:52:14 am
Move towards an "apps" model like the phones to allow customization of applications on the camera. Sony has a few apps that can be loaded which provide some interesting features. Open this up so anyone can develop these applications.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: rdonson on December 31, 2016, 10:05:45 am
Really devote resources to usability of cameras. 

Not just dials and buttons but also special attention to menus and quick menus.  Customization of menus is great but not a substitute for getting it right for 90+% of photogs right out of the box. 

Having to go through 2-4 menus to format an SD or CF card gets annoying quickly.  Not allowing that to be streamlined in a quick menu is puzzling. 
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Rado on December 31, 2016, 02:05:08 pm
Autofocus patent/know-how sharing with 3rd party lens manufacturers so that they don't have to reverse engineer it. This especially goes for Canikon since other companies seem to be less stupid about it (stupid from my point of view, I know that corporations love customer lock in).
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: alan_b on December 31, 2016, 02:16:58 pm
Interchangeable and manual-focus-friendly focusing screens, please.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Telecaster on December 31, 2016, 03:11:49 pm
Proper WiFi capability. Why can't any of my cameras auto-login to my home WiFi network and auto-upload new pics to my storage devices? Or directly download firmware updates?

-Dave-
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: razrblck on December 31, 2016, 04:04:22 pm
Proper WiFi capability. Why can't any of my cameras auto-login to my home WiFi network and auto-upload new pics to my storage devices? Or directly download firmware updates?

-Dave-

This. Alternatively I would be happy if they actually managed to get the cameras working with smartphones. Making apps is not that hard, you can find plenty of talented programmers out there, so there is really no excuse when such huge companies release camera apps that are a pain to setup, provide very limited remote controls, cannot transfer RAW files to the phone and most of the time just crash for no real reason.

So, yeah, I wouldn't really like new things. I'd like for what is already there to actually work.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: DanielStone on December 31, 2016, 05:45:49 pm
A TRUE mirror up solution, like on the older Nikon F3/F4 bodies.

Also, a clip-on 24mp full-frame "digital back" for those Nikon F3 or F4 bodies, please :)

I know of the Leica DMR, I simply have some Nikon AIS/E-series lenses that I'd love to put to use in a "restricted capabilities" type of camera system. Just ISO, WB and basic menu capabilities. No fancypants stuff.

Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: roscoetuff on January 05, 2017, 11:41:43 am
In echo with a twist to earlier comments, I'd like to see less pure or raw technology per se and more ergonomics or emphasis on making the technology available as simply as we used to change the film in the camera. Think of how to make the ergonomics work together for the photographer within their chosen echo system and really open the box to allow customization. Think of something similar to the once-novel interchangeable lens... and consider interchangeable sensors. It's a computer after all... and the factory does this now, but why not allow the user? Could be a smaller step than it sounds. Give me a drop-in sensor chip - that akin to loading film, would allow me to use my hardware for decades. I could plop in a monochrome sensor, color, raw or jpeg... or some mix. I could pull out the 24MP and replace it with a 42MP, and I could have one of those tiny on-board memory cards (much smaller than SD size) for the operating system so you could upgrade or do whatever you need to swing with the hardware. I'd then be able to use the same camera body and lenses forever. Same body generally, too. No sense in all this throw-a-way stuff that in truth is hardly throw-a-way.

That'll never happen. Like the idea of having white balance and the histogram based on the RAW file rather than the jpeg. No meaningful market pressure there though either.

What I'd settle for would be for Zeiss to think about the 135mm lens range and up. Might even be a reasonable chance they'd put out a Loxia 135mm in a year or so. And... Sony could improve their menu system and establish it's own US-based service organization.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: marc aurel on January 05, 2017, 11:47:16 am
I want more high quality shift lenses. Something in the 30 to 35mm range. And updates for the Canon and Nikon 45mm-shift lenses. Maybe Zeiss could enter that market? Imagine a shift lens with the quality of the Otus lenses. Sharp even in the extreme corners when shifted?

We have seen so many really good f 1.4-lenses. And zooms. But except of the PC-E 19mm - no groundbreaking shift lens came in the last years.

Marc
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Peter McLennan on January 05, 2017, 12:43:32 pm
More printers with "ink tanks".  Epson and Canon have recently released printers with built-in CIS systems, but most of them are 4 inks only and they're dye inks, not pigments.  Integrated CIS systems, unlike overpriced tiny carts, actually encourage printing. What a concept.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on January 05, 2017, 04:33:41 pm
Hi,

Putting a shutter dial and an aperture dial on the camera may be a smart thing.

I would also like to see high quality, medium aperture lenses.

Large apertures may be sexy and I willingly admit I love optical glass, but a lot of landscape shooters like me use medium apertures. I would suggest that f/2.8 or f/4 lenses would serve us perfectly well if performance was good.

I would also like to see more presets.

Last, but not least, I would to have an option to set up the camera from the computer using a decent setup program.

Best regards
Erik Kaffehr
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: mdijb on January 05, 2017, 06:40:07 pm
Raw, accurate  histograms in camera.

As I get older, I want to carry around less weight.  How about focusing on better image quality--put the same quality I get from my SOny A7 into a A6000 body.  How about better quality f4 lenses that still remain small.

How about a camera that focuses on much improved image quality instead of aiming at the sports shooter with rapid capture capability--slower capture rates but better quality in a small package.

For those of us NOT interested in Video, how about a camera without this feature but focused on superb still imagery.

MDIJB
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: scooby70 on January 05, 2017, 07:11:25 pm
I must admit that I'm pretty happy with my best camera, a Sony A7, but I would like a compact 35mm f1.8 even if it sacrificed some image quality over the excellent 35mm f2.8.

And that brings me onto something I wont get... I'd like to see lenses which are compact and good enough. I often use old film era manual focus lenses on my A7 and I'm happy enough with the image quality and it'd be nice to see modern compact, cheap and good enough equivalents rather than the bigger, aiming to be the worlds best with a price to match lenses we're seeing more of lately.

Other than those things I also have Panasonic MFT cameras and I'd like to see auto ISO with exposure compensation in all modes and full time DoF preview. Put these things into a GX7 style body with the tilting EVF (but better than the current one) and without the shutter shock and I'd buy it.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: shadowblade on January 05, 2017, 11:54:13 pm
As I get older, I want to carry around less weight.  How about focusing on better image quality--put the same quality I get from my SOny A7 into a A6000 body.  How about better quality f4 lenses that still remain small.

Bigger sensor = bigger body. You can't jam a larger object into the same space.

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How about a camera that focuses on much improved image quality instead of aiming at the sports shooter with rapid capture capability--slower capture rates but better quality in a small package.

That's pretty much the A7r/A7r2.

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For those of us NOT interested in Video, how about a camera without this feature but focused on superb still imagery.

Because video costs absolutely nothing to add if you already have live view, and adds value.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: E.J. Peiker on January 06, 2017, 08:35:03 am
Because video costs absolutely nothing to add if you already have live view, and adds value.
Actually it does to some degree - cooling of the sensor module needs to be much more robust if you are going to do video, especially 4K or above video, getting data off of the sensor and onto a memory card needs to be more efficient than for stills and live view alone.  And it most definitely costs more in the firmware and software development cycle.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: HSakols on January 06, 2017, 09:22:54 am
How about a tilt shift lens for micro 4/3.  Say a 20mm lens with silky smooth movements! 
I'm also curious to see if the Nikon 810 becomes upgraded, but honestly it appears to already be a fine camera with not need for an upgrade.
Oh and I want a relatively small wall mounted mat cutter!

Hugh
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on January 06, 2017, 11:16:43 am
I will add another one: I would like Zeiss to migrate their ZM C Sonnar 50 f1.5 to E mount:) Most fun 50mm lens I have ever used.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: shadowblade on January 06, 2017, 02:35:52 pm
Actually it does to some degree - cooling of the sensor module needs to be much more robust if you are going to do video, especially 4K or above video, getting data off of the sensor and onto a memory card needs to be more efficient than for stills and live view alone.  And it most definitely costs more in the firmware and software development cycle.

You need the same cooling for long-exposure stills. And it pretty much amounts to a big, well-connected heat sink -basically, a static block of metal. Not exactly a major cost.

And firmware/software development is a one-off cost that's the same whether you sell one camera or a million cameras. Including video cuts the overall cost of the camera, since this cost is then diluted among a much larger user base.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Telecaster on January 06, 2017, 04:25:16 pm
The 50/1.5 Sonnar in its various versions is one of my favs too. The oldies don't play well with Sony A7x cameras, though: ugly astigmatism off-axis. This is probably true of the current version as well. Maybe Zeiss could do a Loxia version with revised optics…

-Dave-
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Rob C on January 07, 2017, 04:28:13 am
Someone suggested interchangeable backs for the film Nikons. That would suit me very well, especially if the back went down to around 50 ISO or thereabouts. I don't need to shoot at over a thousandth of a second; in fact I can do quite well at a 125th. Most of my life's work was shot around there... It's nice to be able to use slow speeds too, without ND filters to get in the way.

Another person mentioned a screen that permits real manual focus capability: exactly! And with a split image without a mess of micro-prisms around it, please, with a grid.

Simple stuff, and not a mention of more pixies!

But then, if everybody had still clung on to their film Nikons, three things might have happened: first, R&D money would have been better concentrated; second, the company might have already vanished; third, the company might be world-leader in interchangeable rear modules. In the latter case, I'd have stuck with the F4 instead of back-stepping to the more simple F3 because its single horror (for me) of film loading would have been overcome by the clip-on digital back!

2017 has clearly started well in the wish department!

Rob C
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 07, 2017, 09:12:17 am
Early in my career I sometimes wished for an "Ansel" button on my cameras.
But now I think I'd prefer a "Rob C" button that would automatically find the quirky, charming, somewhat obscure but always tantalizing images that are all around us, if we could just notice them.   :D
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Rob C on January 07, 2017, 11:20:36 am
Early in my career I sometimes wished for an "Ansel" button on my cameras.
But now I think I'd prefer a "Rob C" button that would automatically find the quirky, charming, somewhat obscure but always tantalizing images that are all around us, if we could just notice them.   :D


Eric, I have waved the magic wand three times: the gift's in the post. (Contemporary pun.)

I was out wandering the streets - okay, narrow little ones - in old Pollensa about an hour ago; it was feezing, despite the afternoon sun which, of course, doesn't reach the alleys where I lurk in shade. Anyway, it crossed my mind that being a photographer can also be a bit of a nuisance: one sees stuff all around, all day, and then starts to wonder whether or not to bother clicking. It can be very wearying and, like golf, can ruin a perfectly good walk. But then, the thought comes: what the hell else would I do all evening as I almost never watch tv other than the news programmes? A brief look around brings the word housework to mind, but I rather not listen to those particular little voices in my head. Well, not too often.

Regarding my own snaps: what I do's born of frustration regarding the high cost of good models - the other kind is worse than useless because it makes you feel bad about yourself (silken purses etc.). I would never spend my own pennies on models anymore, but gladly those of a client, were such a rare bird to perch, and then tap upon my shoulder any day soon. But I also think that Capa had it right: you gotta get in to the thing, not just do the establishing, medium-distance shot. Much by definition, there's got to be more concentrated strength right up close to something. It's finding the something that's the problem - always.

But thank you for the nice words!

Rob
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: roscoetuff on January 07, 2017, 04:58:46 pm
After fumbling around the Sony A7II function menu and custom buttons for a morning, I'd like to have a major revision of the customization. This should allow EVERY option buried in the camera to be put on a user Menu with 4 rows of 6 custom functions. There are some I'd like to have on a function menu I can't put there and some I do have that I don't care about. If they were to go in this direction, it'd sure be nice to allow you to save the custom function menu or button assignments to your SD card so you could recall them or move them to another camera. This would be a big step forward. More, define a menu software standard that would allow user scripting along these lines. Eventually cameras go out of warranty and at that point, the ability to load a custom menu makes sense. Camera hacks like phone hacks are coming!
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Tony Jay on January 07, 2017, 07:40:45 pm
After fumbling around the Sony A7II function menu and custom buttons for a morning, I'd like to have a major revision of the customization. This should allow EVERY option buried in the camera to be put on a user Menu with 4 rows of 6 custom functions. There are some I'd like to have on a function menu I can't put there and some I do have that I don't care about. If they were to go in this direction, it'd sure be nice to allow you to save the custom function menu or button assignments to your SD card so you could recall them or move them to another camera. This would be a big step forward. More, define a menu software standard that would allow user scripting along these lines. Eventually cameras go out of warranty and at that point, the ability to load a custom menu makes sense. Camera hacks like phone hacks are coming!
As someone who owns two Sony bodies I hear you!
The menus are definitely not great examples of ergonomics.

I think a radical rethink, by all manufacturers is in order, not to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic but to completely redesign camera interfaces.

I do get that in some quarters there would be resistance to this - think of all those Canon and Nikon long-time users, who, at least, have got used to their camera interfaces even if they were never that great.
But, I do think that the first manufacturer to really change the playing field with respect to camera control, menus, customisability, touchscreen functionality, and a really user-friendly customer experience will not be doing their bottom-lines any harm at all!

The building blocks for all this technology already exist so that is not a barrier in principle.
Yes, detail in design, power requirements, and other issues would need to be sorted out, but it is feasible.
To me this is a challenge for the imagination much more than a primary challenge of technology.

So far, for most manufacturers, their medium term record is one of exquisitely measured conservatism.
Perhaps the time has come to break the mould...

Tony Jay
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Manoli on January 07, 2017, 08:16:21 pm
Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 Art - rumoured to possibly be announced next month.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/1/306/32173653785_9288a90bec.jpg)
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: douglevy on January 13, 2017, 10:31:21 pm
ISO below 100 on 35mm. 50, 25 and 12 would be amazing. And not in a "low" mode. Make me a camera that performs great from 12-1600 and I'd be pumped.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on January 14, 2017, 01:02:26 am
Hi,

You can use an ND filter.

Low ISO is limited by Full Well Capacity (FWC) of the sensor. The other factor is quantum efficiency (QE). There is a lot of work going into increasing FWC, but progress is slow. QE can be reduced by more aggressive CFA (Colour Filter Arrays).

Best regards
Erik

ISO below 100 on 35mm. 50, 25 and 12 would be amazing. And not in a "low" mode. Make me a camera that performs great from 12-1600 and I'd be pumped.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: shadowblade on January 14, 2017, 08:54:37 am
Hi,

You can use an ND filter.

Low ISO is limited by Full Well Capacity (FWC) of the sensor. The other factor is quantum efficiency (QE). There is a lot of work going into increasing FWC, but progress is slow. QE can be reduced by more aggressive CFA (Colour Filter Arrays).

Best regards
Erik

A ND filter doesn't give you the real advantage of lower ISOs - massive amounts of DR. A sensor that can hit 14 stops at ISO 100 would give you 18 stops if it could go down to ISO 12.

BSI technology promises a lot here - just put a huge capacitor behind each photosite. The light-gathering area remains the same, but the capacitor can hold much more charge before getting filled up.

Also, QE can be improved by using a multilayer design (resulting in fewer wasted photons) or by moving beyond silicon. This won't give you lower ISO, but will give you greater DR for the same ISO, and higher usable maximum ISO.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: douglevy on January 14, 2017, 08:56:32 am
That's a bit over my head on the enginering side, but I'd like to avoid ND filters because of the impact on the viewfinder, and as you get darker, on autofocus. Additionally some of the ND's I've used impart a color cast.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: wallpaperviking on January 14, 2017, 04:52:51 pm

A firmware update for the Sony A7RII that includes different "aspect ratios".  I think it is absurd that Sony's flagship mirrorless only lets you shoot in 3:2 and 16:9 (for video).

1:1, 4:3 and especially a 5:4 aspect ratio please!

If the Nikon D810 can include a 5:4 aspect ratio in its OVF then I do not see any excuse for any manufacturer to have it in its EVF! 

Even worse is that the Sony RX1R2 already has this (3:2, 16:9, 1:1 and 4:3) so it would be so easy for them to do....

Who am I kidding though, Sony don't really do "firmware updates", will probably have to wait for a future generation to have this feature  :(
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: PrintPd on January 15, 2017, 07:01:56 pm
The camera development is presently quite stagnant, maybe because the market is greatly reduced or is the market not interested because there is only very incremental development.
In the last 2-4 years there has been significant new technologies developed at the research level which have not come to the market:
Gobal shutter sensors. That would allow cameras without mechanical shutters. I imagine quite some benefit for all sensors sizes but especially for MF.

Organic sensors with higher dynamic range and sensitivity. Would be especially important for smaller sensors like MFT.

Spherical sensors with small lenses specifically designed for such sensor (no IQ loss over the entire field).

Likely all these features could be codeveloped and brought to the market but I am afraid no company wants really invest in such development.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: HSakols on January 15, 2017, 07:38:25 pm
wallpaper,
Sounds like you should be using a micro four thirds sensor.  The 5 to 4 crop on this sensor is so minimal that is is essentially what you are asking for.  I agree!
Hugh
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: shadowblade on January 18, 2017, 08:46:26 am
Two things that would be very easy to implement, yet game-changing.

1 - RAW histogram. Already mentioned many times.

2 - An accurate, sensitive electronic level. It's so easy to end up a fraction of a degree off. Spirit levels aren't precise enough, while current electronic levels are either not sensitive or just inaccurate. Many times, the camera's told me I'm level, yet the guidelines in the viewfinder don't match up with known horizontals and verticals in the scene. And not every scene has convenient verticals or horizontals to cross-check against, particularly if the camera is tilted up or down - it'd be nice to have an accurate electronic level to work with.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: alan_b on January 18, 2017, 03:14:04 pm
2 - An accurate, sensitive electronic level. It's so easy to end up a fraction of a degree off. Spirit levels aren't precise enough, while current electronic levels are either not sensitive or just inaccurate. Many times, the camera's told me I'm level, yet the guidelines in the viewfinder don't match up with known horizontals and verticals in the scene. And not every scene has convenient verticals or horizontals to cross-check against, particularly if the camera is tilted up or down - it'd be nice to have an accurate electronic level to work with.

Maybe user zero-calibration could be implemented in electronic levels.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: donbga on January 18, 2017, 09:20:41 pm

Last, but not least, I would to have an option to set up the camera from the computer using a decent setup program.

Best regards
Erik Kaffehr

F&*^ing A! This is way overdue.

Don Bryant
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: BernardLanguillier on January 21, 2017, 10:06:53 am
To stop releasing products I feel attracted in buying? ;)

Boy was I right... ;)

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Rob C on January 21, 2017, 11:52:08 am
You certainly were.

It's like London buses, nothing for an hour and then four come along at once.

Disclaimer: Worry not, Rob.

;-)


I shall sleep better tonight!

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: armand on January 22, 2017, 09:55:07 am
From Fuji: a small, sharp, weathersealed 16-70/85 lens with OIS. Main purpose is for hiking to take along with a X-T2 and not worry about occasional rain drops or heavy dew. A constant F4 would be nice but I'll take a 4-5.6 if size differential is big. Telephoto at 70 is fine if 85 would make it too big.
Right now I'm using the Oly E-M5ii with the 12-40 F2.8 as hiking in any weather camera but would prefer the Fuji. I'll have to check the E-M1ii with the 12-100 F4 to see if it's as huge as I think it is as 5-6 stops of stabilization are very appealing, I would probably leave the tripod and come up ahead with the weight.

PS. the newer Nikon 16-80 F2.8-4 is 480g so they should be able to make it at least as light
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Harold Clark on January 24, 2017, 08:21:52 am
I want more high quality shift lenses. Something in the 30 to 35mm range. And updates for the Canon and Nikon 45mm-shift lenses. Maybe Zeiss could enter that market? Imagine a shift lens with the quality of the Otus lenses. Sharp even in the extreme corners when shifted?

We have seen so many really good f 1.4-lenses. And zooms. But except of the PC-E 19mm - no groundbreaking shift lens came in the last years.

Marc

As a Canon user, a 32-35mm TSE as well as updates on the 45 and 90 would be most welcome, perhaps add a 65 TSE as well. I find the 24-105 a bit slow, and the 24-70 a bit short. A 24-85 f2.8 would be perfect.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Mjollnir on January 24, 2017, 09:32:53 am
For Panasonic to have come out with a more photocentric M43 top rig for less than $2000 so that I could have stayed with the system instead of cashing it all in and going to Nikon FF.

Whoops.  Too late!
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: NancyP on January 24, 2017, 09:50:51 am
Yes, 35mm is a favorite focal length, a shift lens would be welcomed.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: bcooter on January 25, 2017, 04:20:47 pm
Since we shoot motion footage even on a still centric project, I'd love to see a few things, especially on the 1dxII. 

1.  A clip on EVF when going to motion with a hot shoe on top that will allow a pocket wizard or a shotgun mike.  The Olympus em series has this and it allows for 90 degree movement for a waist level shooting.

2. A 1dx style camera with a removeable right angle grip which allows for two different grips.  One for motion with low sound fans, xlr inputs (real xlr inputs and outputs), another for extra battery power and real full size hdmi outputs.

3.  A fully articulating lcd screen on the back.of the camera with touch screen face detection.

4.  For canon a stabilized 24 to 70 2.8 zoom.

5. A strong and deep motion file with a minimum of 10 bits, 422 and high bitrate.  None of this 23 megaBITS per second, but really ghigh bitrate.

6.  When setting for motion, none of this little tiny hidden record buttons.  Make the main firing button the the start stop button for footage.

7. Stop the 29 minutes cap on motion to avoid the euro tax man.   

8.  infantely moveable crops.  Not just uhd, or 285, or 2-3 or 4-3 but any crop you desire.

9.  Standardized external plugs for monitors, sound input, sound output etc. 

10. Immediate firmware upgrades and real testing.  Don't let the customer become a beta tester.

11.  An app for your phone that has easy to search information about the camera.  None of this find the pdf of the manual, do a search and have to go through a dozen non answers when you type in batter reconditioning. or whatever you're looking for.

12.  True software suites that have some commonality to c-1 and/or lightroom.  Not just hot folders, or software that doesn't allow quick focus check or workarounds.

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Speaking of software.

1.  Offer an option to buy not subscribe.  If you travel from country to country the adobe subscription model doesn't always work and I could go into detail, though since we work the US and Europe regularly, Adobe just finally told me to buy multiple subscriptions.
Just let me buy it and be done with it.

2. Since a lot of still photographers are required to shoot motion footage, make lightroom and C-1 work with footage.  Add tracking, face detection, layers, etc all within the same style interface.  For diehard still photographers just put a button on top to make it a still only application.

For people like my studios offer both dtills and motion in the same timeline so matching stills to motion is much easier and faster.

3.  For adboe, get their hands on the camera makers secret sauce and stop backwards compatibility.   Look at the bone stock dpp look from a Canon vs. Lightroom.  I can make lightroom look close, but there is a difference.

4.  Offer upgrades for new cameras.  This change the whole suite everytime you buy a camera is time consuming, sometimes expensive.  Charge me for the compatibility, but don't make us run through fire just because we bought a newer camera model.

5.  Stop fooling around with file compatibility.   If your running on a pc quicktime is no longer fully supported.  Once again charge for it if you want to but no more locking people into an eco system. 


IMO

BC
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: uaiomex on January 25, 2017, 08:55:53 pm
For Canon: A mirrorless FF body with an EF mount, fully articulated screen and a 50 mp version of the 5D4 sensor. EF EOS is the most complete and amazing FF lens line in history. Need to say more?

For Sony: A 50 MP Exmor FF sensor inside a bigger A7 body with a fully articulated screen or Fuji Xt2 style movements.

For Fuji: Bring a FF 645 GfX camera and lenses. Stop being a pussy and grab the MF market by the balls.

That's it.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Mike D. B. on January 26, 2017, 03:39:30 am
For Fujifilm: a macro lens with tripod mount and built-in lens shade.
Title: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: agbr on January 26, 2017, 06:50:04 am
A full medium format 56x56mm sensor and a Hasselblad V mount back using it.


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Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Rob C on January 26, 2017, 03:02:22 pm
A full medium format 56x56mm sensor and a Hasselblad V mount back using it.


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At a price that I could afford!

It would be like old times again; magical.

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: NancyP on January 26, 2017, 04:00:03 pm
Lr/Ps plug-ins by Adobe that will give you direct access to each of your new camera .CR2 file format (instead of having to convert to DNG on import) and to new lens profiles. I have Lr6 permanent license * (and Ps CS6), Lr6 does plenty for me. If I got a post Lr6 issue date camera, I would be fine with paying $10.00 to $20.00 to Adobe for the new camera plug-in RAW decoder and $5.00 for each new lens profile.

I just feel more secure with the laptop off-web 99% of the time. Not to mention, if you go off grid domestically (car camping) or travel across national boundaries, it still works even if it hasn't seen the internet and phoned home in the last 28 days..
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on February 04, 2017, 11:25:03 am
Hi Nancy,

I would like to have DNG as an output alternative to proprietary raw.

Best regards
Erik

Lr/Ps plug-ins by Adobe that will give you direct access to each of your new camera .CR2 file format (instead of having to convert to DNG on import) and to new lens profiles. I have Lr6 permanent license * (and Ps CS6), Lr6 does plenty for me. If I got a post Lr6 issue date camera, I would be fine with paying $10.00 to $20.00 to Adobe for the new camera plug-in RAW decoder and $5.00 for each new lens profile.

I just feel more secure with the laptop off-web 99% of the time. Not to mention, if you go off grid domestically (car camping) or travel across national boundaries, it still works even if it hasn't seen the internet and phoned home in the last 28 days..
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: jemadsen on February 23, 2017, 03:52:23 pm
Focus stacking in Lightroom to supplement newly added Panoramic and HDR functionality.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on February 23, 2017, 04:28:02 pm
Hi,

I would like to see focus stacking support in camera hardware. As it is now, I feel focus stacking works OK for macro shooting using a hardware rail like "Stackshoot" but doesn't really work for anything else. So, I would really want to see camera firmware allowing two focus points and user selectable intervals between.

It can definitively be done, Magic Lantern does it and also CamRanger.

Best regards
Erik

Focus stacking in Lightroom to supplement newly added Panoramic and HDR functionality.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: petermfiore on February 23, 2017, 05:06:39 pm
Hi All,

Cameras that shoot DNG...

Peter
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on February 23, 2017, 08:40:55 pm
Hi,

I am with you…

Best regards
Erik

Hi All,

Cameras that shoot DNG...

Peter
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: BJL on February 23, 2017, 09:51:52 pm
Pardon much overlap with previous posts:

- Olympus/Panasonic: more good "mid-speed" zoom lenses, f/2.8-3.5 or f/2.8-4, for the Micro Four Thirds system. That sort of f-stop range allows designs with wider zoom ranges than constant f/2.8 with little or no more bulk than constant f/4 zooms, and so keeps down the weight of a kit covering my desired wide range of focal lengths while making manual focusing easier than slower lenses.
- Olympus: on-sensor PDAF in every MFT body, not just the flag-ships.
- Panasonic: good IBIS in every MFT body, so I can use all my Olympus lenses on them.
- Everyone: greatly improved WiFi and BlueTooth capabilities and user interfaces. Camera makers could learn a lot from mobile phone makers!  Things like wireless auto-upload to a computer (at least of preview JPEGs) and using a phone as a remote control and as a field uploading tool.
- Every mirrorless system: EVFs with lag clearly less than any SLR's mirror-lifting lag. That would leave only the handing of very high contrast scenes as the last barrier to EVF cameras completely surpassing OVF cameras for all practical purposes.
- Nikon: get serious about EVF cameras—this time in "DX" format—now that Canon has raised its game with the EOS M5 and M6 bodies.

(It would also be nice to see accessory EVFs for DSLRs, for video usage in particular, but I no longer have any interest in using DSLRs, so that is not on my wish list.)
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on February 24, 2017, 12:02:46 pm
Always on my wish-list, high quality medium aperture lenses…

Question is will I buy, are they good enough?

Best regards
Erik



Pardon much overlap with previous posts:

- Olympus/Panasonic: more good "mid-speed" zoom lenses, f/2.8-3.5 or f/2.8-4, for the Micro Four Thirds system. That sort of f-stop range allows designs with wider zoom ranges than constant f/2.8 with little or no more bulk than constant f/4 zooms, and so keeps down the weight of a kit covering my desired wide range of focal lengths while making manual focusing easier than slower lenses.
- Olympus: on-sensor PDAF in every MFT body, not just the flag-ships.
- Panasonic: good IBIS in every MFT body, so I can use all my Olympus lenses on them.
- Everyone: greatly improved WiFi and BlueTooth capabilities and user interfaces. Camera makers could learn a lot from mobile phone makers!  Things like wireless auto-upload to a computer (at least of preview JPEGs) and using a phone as a remote control and as a field uploading tool.
- Every mirrorless system: EVFs with lag clearly less than any SLR's mirror-lifting lag. That would leave only the handing of very high contrast scenes as the last barrier to EVF cameras completely surpassing OVF cameras for all practical purposes.
- Nikon: get serious about EVF cameras—this time in "DX" format—now that Canon has raised its game with the EOS M5 and M6 bodies.

(It would also be nice to see accessory EVFs for DSLRs, for video usage in particular, but I no longer have any interest in using DSLRs, so that is not on my wish list.)
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: stevenfr on February 24, 2017, 04:50:38 pm
A panoramic digital camera. It will never happen, but one can dream.

Steven

http://www.friedmanphoto.com (http://www.friedmanphoto.com)
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: agbr on December 29, 2017, 05:14:51 am

At a price that I could afford!

It would be like old times again; magical.

;-)

Rob

Let’s renew this wish for 2018, shall we? ;-)


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Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Mike D. B. on December 29, 2017, 03:05:21 pm
Same wish(es) as the past years: I'd be thrilled to see a macro lens for the Fujifilm X-Series which had a tripod collar and built-in lens shade.

Won't happen, I'm quite sure.  Both design features seem a forgotten art.  Especially the built-in lens shade.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: BJL on December 29, 2017, 09:12:59 pm
I like the idea of updating our wish lists, but how about we also rate reality against last year's wishes.

This was my list:

1. Olympus/Panasonic: more good "mid-speed" zoom lenses, f/2.8-3.5 or f/2.8-4, for the Micro Four Thirds system. That sort of f-stop range allows designs with wider zoom ranges than constant f/2.8 with little or no more bulk than constant f/4 zooms, and so keeps down the weight of a kit covering my desired wide range of focal lengths while making manual focusing easier than slower lenses.
2. Olympus: on-sensor PDAF in every MFT body, not just the flag-ships.
3. Panasonic: good IBIS in every MFT body, so I can use all my Olympus lenses on them.
4. Everyone: greatly improved WiFi and BlueTooth capabilities and user interfaces. Camera makers could learn a lot from mobile phone makers!  Things like wireless auto-upload to a computer (at least of preview JPEGs) and using a phone as a remote control and as a field uploading tool.
5. Every mirrorless system: EVFs with lag clearly less than any SLR's mirror-lifting lag. That would leave only the handing of very high contrast scenes as the last barrier to EVF cameras completely surpassing OVF cameras for all practical purposes.
6. Nikon: get serious about EVF cameras—this time in "DX" format—now that Canon has raised its game with the EOS M5 and M6 bodies.

. . . and this is how reality responded:

1. Panasonic came through with an improved version of its 12-60/2.8-4 and an 8-18/2.8-40; nothing from Olympus. New wish: a MFT telephoto zoom of f/2.8-4 or there-about.
2. There is no on-sensor PDAF in the only 2017 OMD body—the EM-10 Mk III—so I roll this wish over as part of my hopes for an EM-5 Mk III in 2018.
3. Panasonic did put IBIS in its two new EVF models (G9, GH5).
4. WiFi came to the EM-10 Mk III, with companion iOS/Android apps, though the app reviews are very poor. Updated wish: that camera makers learn from or team up with the best smart phone software designers.
5. EVFs continued to improve in 2017, and in this forum they earned more converts (or at least resignation from some OVF fans)—but I do not know specs on lag in particular. New wish: adaptive EVF display contrast, to handle preview of high-contrast scenes.
6. The rumors and a few hints from Nikon itself say yes, but still no announcement of a Nikon mirrorless in DX- or FX-format, so I will roll this one over too.
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: petermfiore on December 29, 2017, 11:11:28 pm
Same as last year...Cameras that can shoot DNG.

Peter
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: Two23 on December 29, 2017, 11:13:52 pm
I would like Sigma to make an ART series ~18mm tilt/shift lens in Nikon mount.  #2 request would be for Ilford (or someone) to start making 4x5 dry plates! :)



Kent in SD
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: BJL on December 30, 2017, 10:01:33 am
A panoramic digital camera. It will never happen, but one can dream.
I have one! (a phone with sweep panorama mode.)
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 31, 2017, 04:34:37 am
Hi Peter,

I agree on that!

Best regards
Erik

Same as last year...Cameras that can shoot DNG.

Peter
Title: Re: What is your #1 request for manufacturers in 2017?
Post by: petermfiore on December 31, 2017, 07:58:35 am
Hi Peter,

I agree on that!

Best regards
Erik

Same as last year!!! :~)

Peter