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Equipment & Techniques => Computers & Peripherals => Topic started by: Dinarius on October 21, 2016, 07:10:36 am
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I am looking at building a new desktop PC for photo and video editing.
Here (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=dhKBmG) is a spec I am considering.
Any feedback appreciated.
I want any software to run in the blink of an eye, and this should do that for me.
While the choice of most components is fairly clear cut, I find the choice in Graphic Cards mind-boggling. ::)
Any views on my choice of card, in particular, appreciated.
Also, any views in terms of numbers of USB connections etc. appreciated also.
Thanks.
D.
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I am looking at building a new desktop PC for photo and video editing.
Here (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=dhKBmG) is a spec I am considering.
Any feedback appreciated.
I want any software to run in the blink of an eye, and this should do that for me.
While the choice of most components is fairly clear cut, I find the choice in Graphic Cards mind-boggling. ::)
Any views on my choice of card, in particular, appreciated.
Also, any views in terms of numbers of USB connections etc. appreciated also.
Thanks.
D.
Hi D.,
On a cursory glance, it looks like a potent configuration. I'm not up to speed with the motherboard specifications, but I do know from friends that the Gigasbyte MBs are considered good, but you need to use well-tested up-to-date drivers. So for new boards, there may be more frequent changes in drivers than for more seasoned models. The benefit of a large brand is that issues (e.g. after OS updates, or cross component influences) will surface relatively fast due to a large number of users. So try and follow the discussions on trustworthy MB forums fpr the latest.
As for the SSDs, The Samsung 850 EVO uses "3d v-nand (TLC)" memory, which is considered more of a budget type of memory. Nothing wrong with it, but it will reach end-of-life sooner than the Samsung 850 Pro version, which uses "3d v-nand (MLC)" memory, which is considered a mid-range type of memory. There is a reason why the EVO have a 5 year warranty and the PRO a 10 year warranty ... The Pro might also use a faster controller (but I'd have to double-check that). It has 6% faster random Read speed (according to the specs). I'd go for the PRO rather than the somewhat cheaper EVO type.
As for graphics card, I'm a bit more fond of Nvidia, it seems like they have a larger market share and better connections with the software industry (like Adobe). Don't know how important 10-bit display drivers are for your situation, but it would take the Workstation version cards like the Nvidia Quattro or the AMD FirePRo series of cards, and you'd need to check for the proper number of connections to drive 10-b/ch (or 30-bit) displays. Also, looking to the future, take into consideration that High DPI and 4k/8k pixel resolution displays will become more common. For the short term, do check with you software maker's recommendations for supported cards (although that may be updated as time goes by). Adobe used to recommend Nvidia Quattro cards, maybe they now also support/recommend FirePros?
Also, make sure that the power supply has plenty of headroom (I haven't added the requirements fo the components myself, so I don't know if 550W is enough for the near future).
Just some thoughts.
Cheers,
Bart
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Bart,
Thanks for a wonderfully comprehensive reply. I am extremely grateful.
It has set me doing a bit more research....
I've always regarded Tom's Hardware highly so, for starters, here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493-30.html) is their take on graphics cards....
Back to the drawing board... 8)
Best wishes,
Denis
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Bart,
I've made a new custom build (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=wKkdCJ) taking on board your suggestions about wattage and memory and graphics.
The choice of graphics card was influenced by tests from Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493-30.html) which I think is well thought of.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks.
D.
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The choice of graphics card was influenced by tests from Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493-30.html) which I think is well thought of.
why tests from 2013 ? for example tests from 2016 = http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gpu-pro-opencl&num=1
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why tests from 2013 ? for example tests from 2016 = http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gpu-pro-opencl&num=1
Coz of its image processing bias.
If you have an affordable graphics card you'd care to recommend, I'm all ears.
Thanks for the reply.
D.
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-The power supply is overdimensioned, calculate the right one with
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
-The https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/
reports high failure rate for the HD Seagate ST3000DM001
-Blu-ray is faster and much more reliable than DVD
-The GPU AMD 7970 is good, but VERY old, newer cards have upgraded
OpenCL functions not available in the old models...
Get an AMD RX 460/RX 470 or Nvidia GTX 1050/1060
Some benchmarks:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
https://compubench.com/result.jsp?benchmark=compu15d&test=571&text-filter=&order=median&ff-desktop=true&os-Windows_cl=true&pu-dGPU=true&pu-ACC=true&arch-x86=true&base=device
https://compubench.com/result.jsp?benchmark=compu15d&test=583&text-filter=&order=median&ff-desktop=true&os-Windows_cl=true&pu-dGPU=true&pu-ACC=true&arch-x86=true&base=device
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Thanks for the feedback.
Based on your suggestions, I have made changes to PSU, HDs and Graphics Card.
The spec is here. (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=ZY8YJx)
Regarding Blu-Ray: Can I burn DVDs on a BR drive? Thing is, ALL clients will have a DVD drive. Only some will have Blu-Ray. Haven't changed that in the spec.
Finally, should I consider a water cooler?
Thanks again.
D.
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-The https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/
reports high failure rate for the HD Seagate ST3000DM001
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I agree on the Seagate 3TB drives. I built 2 raid systems with them and lost 4 drives very quickly. WD drives come to mind and 6TB are not too expensive, I'd put a pair in the system if it were me...
EDIT : I saw your update switches to 4TB which looks much better...
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Regarding Blu-Ray: Can I burn DVDs on a BR drive? Thing is, ALL clients will have a DVD drive. Only some will have Blu-Ray. Haven't changed that in the spec.
D.
in general yes. Just verify the spec, it will state what it will burn. Some will even burn M-disc.
for photo editing which is not too heavily multi threaded, the 6700k should do fine. If you want more horse power for video editing, i would consider a mb that will support the low end Zeon CPUs which will handle highly multi threaded video processing software with more real cores, at least 8.
A M.2 drive will speed things up a bit as well. Particularly if you can put in a Intel 750 in the PCIe 3 X4 slot as well.
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I am looking at building a new desktop PC for photo and video editing.
Here (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=dhKBmG) is a spec I am considering.
Any feedback appreciated.
I want any software to run in the blink of an eye, and this should do that for me.
While the choice of most components is fairly clear cut, I find the choice in Graphic Cards mind-boggling. ::)
Any views on my choice of card, in particular, appreciated.
Also, any views in terms of numbers of USB connections etc. appreciated also.
Thanks.
D.
I would recommend these changes.
850W power supply
1 additional 250 GB SSD for a Photoshop scratch disk and Lightroom catalog disk if you use LR.
I prefer ASUS mother boards though I have no negatives for the Gigabyte MB.
Substitute hybrid drives for the Seagates for even better performance.
Windows 7 instead of Windows 10.
Use plenty of case and chassis cooling fans, at least 3 of each.
Have fun.
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Thanks for the feedback.
Based on your suggestions, I have made changes to PSU, HDs and Graphics Card.
The spec is here. (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=ZY8YJx)
Glad to help, your config looks good to me.
If you want to take it a bit further can change the Samsung 850 Pro for the Plextor M8Pe(G)
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/plextor-m8pe-512gb-m2-nvme-ssd-review,1.html
Plextor released the endurance values http://www.goplextor.com/Product/Detail/M8Pe(G)#/Download
and it is very good for the 512 GB model:
MTBF >2,400,000 Hours
TBW = 768
Warranty = 5 years
Regarding Blu-Ray: Can I burn DVDs on a BR drive? Thing is, ALL clients will have a DVD drive. Only some will have Blu-Ray. Haven't changed that in the spec.
Yes, no problem.
I have the LG BH16NS40 http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/lg-bh16ns40-16x-blu-ray-disc-rewriter/all-pages.html
Finally, should I consider a water cooler?
IF you are going to overclock better get something more efficient(water or air) than the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Better stay under 80ºC, this will give you a good idea https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EKWB/Predator_280_QDC/6.html
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Why just a single SSD? What is your backup plan? What types of files / sources are you working with? How do you store your archive files?
Honestly, you need 3 SSDs:
1) OS, app installs & page file (500gb)
2) PS scratch / render disk (500gb)
3) working images / files (1tb)
You'll want to ingress images to the (3) drive, and copy from there to a spinning rust backup drive. Your OS needs to have room to page as it wants, and Photoshop will take any and all disk space you give it. The only place standard hard drives have in a performance workflow is long term storage. Want to work on some footage or files? Step 1 is to copy it to the SSD.
The M.2 drives are faster since it's PCIe 3.0 4x.
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Thanks for the replies.
For the last couple of years I've been using these (http://www.lacie.com/gb/en/professional/big/4big-quadra-usb-3/) for backup. I've had no problems so far.
I'm not a high-volume shooter so, at the end of each year, in addition to the LaCie, I copy all RAW files onto external SSDs via USB. Thereby, worst case scenario, I have to re-save the TIFFs and (where necessary) do any Photoshop that is required. So far, I've never had to do this.
I like the idea of giving Photoshop (and maybe C1 too) its own SSD scratch-disk. That said, this computer will be used for nothing except digital editing, so Photoshop would be sharing the existing one SSD with Windows 10 Pro, C1 and very little else.
One of the spinning drives would be exclusively for RAW files and one for Edited files - this mirrors exactly what I currently have, along with all software on an SSD.
No intention to overclock.
I've made changes to the spec - Optical Drive, PSU, RAM - which can be seen here. (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=ZQNQ7P)
1. Any views on my choice of case?
2. I presume that I could add a Photoshop SSD disk later, if I change my mind?
Thanks.
D.
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You are welcome, the build is fine.
1- Sorry, no idea.
2- Yes
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For the OS/Boot drive, I would seriously consider an NVMe SSD for the M2 socket. Costs a little bit more, but can give you 2x or 3x the speed.
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G'Day Dennis,
Here's some confidence for you. I am 2-3 months into almost exactly the same system.
It's flying along stitching 5dsr and Credo files.
I feel that lightroom is now the bottleneck! ;-)
I did put my OS and second PS Scratch disk on an Intel 480 PCIE SSD
This I am told is adding a lot to my speed.
My builder overclocked the CPU and added a watercooling system.
And I installed a Quadro K1200 for 10 bit colours
Let me know if you have any questions.
Cheers
Andrew
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Is there a noticeable difference between 8 and 10 bit display? I know technically there should be, but in day to day use, will you ever see a real difference?
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Thanks for the replies.
For the last couple of years I've been using these (http://www.lacie.com/gb/en/professional/big/4big-quadra-usb-3/) for backup. I've had no problems so far.
I'm not a high-volume shooter so, at the end of each year, in addition to the LaCie, I copy all RAW files onto external SSDs via USB. Thereby, worst case scenario, I have to re-save the TIFFs and (where necessary) do any Photoshop that is required. So far, I've never had to do this.
I like the idea of giving Photoshop (and maybe C1 too) its own SSD scratch-disk. That said, this computer will be used for nothing except digital editing, so Photoshop would be sharing the existing one SSD with Windows 10 Pro, C1 and very little else.
One of the spinning drives would be exclusively for RAW files and one for Edited files - this mirrors exactly what I currently have, along with all software on an SSD.
No intention to overclock.
I've made changes to the spec - Optical Drive, PSU, RAM - which can be seen here. (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=ZQNQ7P)
1. Any views on my choice of case?
2. I presume that I could add a Photoshop SSD disk later, if I change my mind?
Thanks.
D.
Hi!
If you intend not to overclock, you could save some money on the motherboard, since the Z line is mostly for overclockers, and add that money to an even better gpu. In a very solid system, like the one you have composed, the gpu is the main weakness.
The m2 ssd's are much faster, and depending on what you are going to use it for, it might give you an impact on the overall speediness of your system, but if the program is already loaded in your RAM, and you Photoshop file isn't big enough to be on the drive, it won't matter that much. LIkewise your movie-editing will mostly use the regular HDD I assume, and then the most speed is from the gpu, and somewhat the cpu.
On the 8 vs 10 bit display. Yes you can notice a difference if you compare them side by side, but not when you have one or the other at home. Atleast I couldn't.
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Thanks again for all the replies.
Black Friday around these parts is on November 25th.
That's when I intend to make my purchases.
So, if there are other suggestions that can be made now (particularly in relation to the GPU) that I can keep an eye on, I'm all eyes!
Thanks again.
D.
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A quick Google produced this (http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/best-workstation-the-best-enterprise-desktop-for-you-1271279) article on Work Stations.
Can someone please explain the importance of ECC RAM (which comes up a lot in the above article) and whether or not the RAM I've chosen fits the bill?
Any other thoughts appreciated.
Thanks.
D.
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When I built my system a few years ago the downside of ECC was being slower, more expensive, needed different workstation/server motherboard and CPU. So the total cost was way higher for a slower system. ECC was concidered for 24/7 servers where bits might flip after months of uptime. I built my rig from consumer parts but I have been very happy with it. Still going strong.
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Saying it quite roughly... ECC has a verification code attached to each page (small portion of data of ram) that allows the processor to verify that what it reads or writes to the ram is ok... so it will help you to have more stable system... since now it is quite common to build Xeon workstations it is becoming quite common RAM...
In theory it should give you a more stable system for a price and also it is going to be probably slower than non-ecc memory... as Tarbjörn said, if you buy good non-ecc memory, it should be strange that you ave problems
http://dgpfotografia.com
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http://blog.grabcad.com/blog/2015/08/13/why-ecc-ram-matters/
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http://blog.grabcad.com/blog/2015/08/13/why-ecc-ram-matters/
Seems to me that the key line in the above blog is...."If you don’t mind rebooting, you don’t need ECC."
The old DELL I'm replacing has ground along with hardly a whimper for years. The laptop I'm typing this message on is like a Porsche by comparison.
I just everything to be effortless - I've earned it! 8)
If I need the odd reboot, then so be it.
Thanks all.
Will be back before I take the final jump on Black Friday - November 25th.
D.
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I haven't been able to address this issue and, in terms of what I was trying to do, Black Friday was a bit of a damp squib anyway.
So, I've drawn up a new (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=v4XbvK) parts list.
Note the missing Motherboard and the added M.2 drives. When I put in one of my chosen mother boards, I get an error/incompatibility message about M.2 and SATA - i.e. losing one SATA when a second M.2 is in use.
So, is there a motherboard that will cover this?
Or, should I just have one M.2 and one regular SSD?
Any other thoughts on the spec?
Thanks.
D.
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On the current socket 1151 motherboards each M.2 enabled takes some SATA/mSATA ports.
Check the motherboard manual for details and proper configuration.
The EVO 850 SSD M.2 is not the fast PCIe, but SATA...
If it is to use SATA, better the SATA 850 Pro.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9023/the-samsung-ssd-850-evo-msata-m2-review
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On the current socket 1151 motherboards each M.2 enabled takes some SATA/mSATA ports.
Check the motherboard manual for details and proper configuration.
The EVO 850 SSD M.2 is not the fast PCIe, but SATA...
If it is to use SATA, better the SATA 850 Pro.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9023/the-samsung-ssd-850-evo-msata-m2-review
Pictus,
Thanks.
I have addressed the incompatibility issues and added an MB in a new (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=v4XbvK) list.
D.
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Glad to help.
The Plextor PX-512M8PeGN is faster and cheaper than the Plextor M6e Black Edition.
BTW, early next year there will be new CPU(Kaby Lake) and better motherboards with
the new z270 chipset.
https://www.techpowerup.com/228004/intel-z270-and-h270-chipsets-detailed-more-pcie-lanes
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Glad to help.
The Plextor PX-512M8PeGN is faster and cheaper than the Plextor M6e Black Edition.
BTW, early next year there will be new CPU(Kaby Lake) and better motherboards with
the new z270 chipset.
https://www.techpowerup.com/228004/intel-z270-and-h270-chipsets-detailed-more-pcie-lanes
Pictus, thanks again.
Will change Plextors in spec when back at office.
Kaby Lake is interesting, though those commenting on it in the article you posted are almost all underwhelmed. I think I would have close to a Porsche with a keyboard for about €2k with the build I've currently specced. No more spinning wheels and it will move around 1Gb files in Photoshop in the blink of an eye, hopefully.
D.
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Glad to help.
The Plextor PX-512M8PeGN is faster and cheaper than the Plextor M6e Black Edition.
BTW, early next year there will be new CPU(Kaby Lake) and better motherboards with
the new z270 chipset.
https://www.techpowerup.com/228004/intel-z270-and-h270-chipsets-detailed-more-pcie-lanes
Pictus,
I have edited (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/) the spec.
1. Are these the Plextors you're referring to?
2. I'm still getting a compatibility warning. Is this a problem? Or, given the fact that the 2 x 4TBs will only ever been used when I am a loading RAW files and saving edited TIFFs, does it really matter, and can I ignore this warning? While, if I put in say a normal 2.5" SSD, the warnings disappear. But, I presume that I would have greater speed with the PeGN's with the OS (on one) and Photoshop (on the other.)?
3. Is my MB overkill?
Thanks.
D.
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The list is empty, warnings?
Maybe it is this http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/
No problem as you will be using the UEFI to boot to the M.2 NVMe SSD.
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The list is empty, warnings?
Maybe it is this http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/
No problem as you will be using the UEFI to boot to the M.2 NVMe SSD.
Oops! Not sure what happened there.
Here (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/) is the parts list.
Note the Compatibility Check alert at the top of the list.
Thanks.
D.
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Note: The parts list linked in my previous post loads perfectly (with Compatibility Check error) on my computer, but not on my iPhone, for some reason.
Just in case anyone was trying to view the list via a phone.
Thanks.
D.
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The list still empty... :P
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The list still empty... :P
Dinarius, you are sharing the general link to that site, which shows your parts list to you, on your computer, but anyone else will see nothing. (Or, they'll see their own build if they've recently used the same site.)
To share with others, you have to use the "permalink" available near the top of the build's page. In this case: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/dtLsYJ
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Yes this is the model, but was the one with heat sink.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/6BL7YJ/plextor-m8pe-512gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-px-512m8peg
Change the GPU to XFX RX-480P8LFB6
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/29wqqs/xfx-radeon-rx-480-8gb-rs-video-card-rx-480p8lfb6
See why AMD RX-480 https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2172292
This GPU has hot swap fans https://youtu.be/Fmuk878KlZY
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Thanks again for the replies and apologies for the link mess up.
Here is the new parts list. (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/Dinarius/saved/#view=d6LsYJ)
I've changed the SSDs and the video card. But, I've changed the card to one based on rating. I have no interest in swappable fans.
I like some things about this (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/b/T94CmG) build, including his reasoning on the card.
This compatibility note is still bothering me; "The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated, two SATA 6Gb/s ports are disabled." So, just to be sure I'm understanding this correctly: The MB I've chosen has 6 SATA ports. The SSDs take two each (correct?) and the HDs will take one each of the remaining two. So. that's all 6 accounted for and used up - am I right?
Close to closure now, I hope! 8)
Thanks again.
D.
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You are welcome, the swappable fans makes very easy to clean the GPU...
All Z170 motherboard shares the M.2 with something...
That is why needs to read the manual or some good review...
The Z170 Classified have a very good implementation, but sadly only one slot for M.2 is capable
to receive the SSD.
From http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-z170-classified-motherboard,4315-2.html
"The Z170 Classified has two M.2 slots, or maybe just one, as the second slot is “Key-E” type.
M.2 was supposed to fix the confusion over mSATA and mPCIe, but splitting the M.2 market between
Key B and Key M for storage, plus Key A and Key E for regular PCIe devices, seems designed only
to replace one form of customer confusion with another. While the naming convention leave much
to be desired, EVGA has done its best to describe these interfaces within its manual."
You need:
2 M.2 4.x slots (both must run at 4x)
3 SATA3 6.0 Gb/s for 2 HDs + Blu-ray
Look at the Z170 Extreme7+ https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/Tx648d/asrock-motherboard-z170extreme7
http://www.eteknix.com/asrock-z170-extreme-7-lga-1151-motherboard-review/all/1
http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Manual/Z170%20Extreme7+.pdf
using 2 M.2 4x SSDs will disable 4 Intel SATA ports leaving you with 2 Intel SATA ports + 4 ASMedia SATA
ports(no RAID and maybe no optical devices). https://rog.asus.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-28796.html
If you plan to RAID(Intel) the HDs can only use the 2 remaining Intel SATA ports, the problem is that the ASMedia
SATA ports may not work with the Blu-ray, so must use one Intel SATA port to the Blu-ray and the HDs to
the ASMedia SATA ports, but with no "hardware" RAID.
The new Z270 chiptset may enable you to use two M.2 SSD 4x and 4 Intel SATA Ports at the same time.
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Pictus,
Thanks again.
You think I should wait for Z270?
There will be no RAID.
That MB looks interesting.
Thanks.
D.
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Glad to help, the new Z270 mobos probably will also give you faster/native USB implementation.
No RAID = no problem
You will be just fine with the ASRock Z170 Extreme 7+, but
remember to conect the Blu-ray to the Intel SATA port.
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Ok.
I may sit tight until early in the New Year then. Usually a quiet time for me. So,plenty of time to buy parts and assemble. Any time frame on Z270?
Thanks again.
D.
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January 2017 maybe http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-teases-z270-sli-and-z270-sli-plus-motherboards.html
Btw, a good alternative to the Plextor SSD is the MyDigitalSSD BPX (MDNVME80-BPX-0512)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mydigitalssd-bpx-nvme-ssd,4780.html
Fast enough, good price, *BIG* endurance and no heat problem no heat sink needed.
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Ok, I'm back.
For personal reasons, and because of Pictus' suggestion that I might wait until the New Year for some parts, I have not yet built this machine.
However, I would now like to proceed with the project asap.
Here (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/tsR92R) is my current parts list.
Just to reiterate, it will be used for video editing, and the editing of (on occasion) very large still-image files.
Also, when batch processing large still-image files, I want it to move quickly.
Basically, I want a "Porsche-with-a-keyboard". 8)
Any final advice appreciated.
Many thanks.
D.
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-Change the CPU to the new i7-7700K.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/VKx9TW/intel-core-i7-7700k-42ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80677i77700k
-Change the mobo to the one with new Z270 chipset.
Very feature rich the Asrock Z270 SuperCarrier is tempting...
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/rbZ2FT/asrock-z270-supercarrier-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z270-supercarrier
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z270%20SuperCarrier/index.asp
-5Gb/s LAN
-Dual Thunderbolt 3
-3 M.2 sockets
-High quality sound
-Strong/quality power circuits
But there is no review and I would like to know how they implemented the PLX chip, if
it is a good implementation there will be no latency penalty or very little.
An interesting motherboard without the PLX chip is the Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 7
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/LzGj4D/gigabyte-ga-z270x-gaming-7-atx-lga1151-motherboard-ga-z270x-gaming-7
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/03/gigabyte_z270x_gaming_7_lga_1151_motherboard_review/7
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Pictus,
Many thanks.
New list here (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/KyvFxY).
I've changed CPU, Motherboard and 4TB HDs.
Otherwise, the same.
Lots of good word on that Mobo.
Thanks again.
D.
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Glad to help, the system looks good.
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I'm curious to see solid empirical evidence that two SSDs vs. one SSD are of any benefit for the intended purpose. In the PC building world it's common to see builders make various assertions with no data to backup their claims!
Do you really need an 850W power supply? It seems like overkill.
It's a shame RAM is trending upward in price these days, otherwise I'd recommend considering 64 GB, depending on your use-case of course.
Also consider that 8 core 16 thread models are due in 3-4 weeks from AMD. Indications are they'll shake up the market. Irrespective of whether the particular AMD models interest you, Intel prices could well adjust downward.
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Damon,
Thanks for the reply.
64Gb of what RAM, just out of curiosity? Do you have a preference?
Re AMD v Intel, that might save me €50, or whatever. The taxman is paying for this. I'm happy to push on with it.
Thanks again.
D.
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Regarding RAM it depends on your budget and what you use your PC for. I do occasionally use all 64 GB the DDR4 2400 RAM on my desktop in the sense programs I'm running have allocated the memory and are actively using it. At other times the OS uses the "unused" (i.e., unallocated) RAM as a disk cache to speed up file system access, so in that sense it's always being used. When I purchased the RAM a few months ago it was $270. Now its $400.
Regarding AMD 8 core 16 thread vs Intel 4 core 8 thread CPUs, it again depends on your budget and what you use your PC for. If the programs you run benefit from more than 4 CPUs, then the forthcoming AMD CPUs are potentially extremely attractive. However if the majority of your time is spent in Lightroom, for instance, then more than 4 cores is a waste of money. Regarding video editing and CPU core use, others would need to chime in.