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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: dgberg on July 19, 2016, 04:33:43 pm

Title: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: dgberg on July 19, 2016, 04:33:43 pm
If I have to ask someone one more time what part of the world they are from I am going to explode.
Not just here but it seems every forum I am on no one wants to fill out their location in the profile.
It's simple it is painless and if you want to know where to find a vendor or anything really we have to know what part of the world you are from.
I just hate having to answer a question with another question..
Rant over. :-\
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Justinr on July 19, 2016, 05:31:30 pm
If I have to ask someone one more time what part of the world they are from I am going to explode.
Not just here but it seems every forum I am on no one wants to fill out their location in the profile.
It's simple it is painless and if you want to know where to find a vendor or anything really we have to know what part of the world you are from.
I just hate having to answer a question with another question..
Rant over. :-\

Maybe people are just getting pee'd off with handing over all their info all the time.  I know it puts me off online shopping for instance.
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Tim Lookingbill on July 19, 2016, 06:13:31 pm
Maybe people are just getting pee'd off with handing over all their info all the time.  I know it puts me off online shopping for instance.

Your location on the globe of Earth isn't really handing over a bunch of personal info. I mean get real.

You would not believe how many people include their GPS coordinates in the EXIF data of their cellphone photos. I found someone's address from it. Listing a town and country isn't really narrowing down anyone's location.
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Justinr on July 19, 2016, 06:25:34 pm
Your location on the globe of Earth isn't really handing over a bunch of personal info. I mean get real.

You would not believe how many people include their GPS coordinates in the EXIF data of their cellphone photos. I found someone's address from it. Listing a town and country isn't really narrowing down anyone's location.

Then go look up their exif data if you really want to know.
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Colorado David on July 19, 2016, 07:12:14 pm
I've included my location in my profile; North of the Arkansas, South of the Platte. That should narrow it down. ;)
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 20, 2016, 12:31:27 am
I'm east of the Mississippi River, south of Canada, north of the Mason Dixon line, and west of the Atlantic.

And I pinned that exact location down without the help of a GPS.   :D
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: stamper on July 20, 2016, 04:01:52 am
There are some members who think that every member lives in the US. A frequent question is in what shop can they buy a certain piece of camera equipment and don't state which country they live in. ::)
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: stamper on July 20, 2016, 04:03:32 am
If I have to ask someone one more time what part of the world they are from I am going to explode.
Not just here but it seems every forum I am on no one wants to fill out their location in the profile.
It's simple it is painless and if you want to know where to find a vendor or anything really we have to know what part of the world you are from.
I just hate having to answer a question with another question..
Rant over. :-\

How do you know if they are using their real names never mind what country they live in?
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Justinr on July 20, 2016, 04:38:06 am
Didn't we have a lad on here a year or two back insisting that we all post selfies of ourselves and now we have another demanding that we tell the world of our location. I thought the CIA had FB for all that nonsense or doesn't it cover enough of the population?
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: drmike on July 20, 2016, 05:08:35 am
I find it handy to know if someone is US, European, likely to have English as a first language. Knowing the country would be helpful but one can always ask. I must check to see what I have :)
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: BobShaw on July 20, 2016, 05:39:59 am
There are some members who think that every member lives in the US.
There are some members who are not aware that there are other countries than the US (:-)
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: stamper on July 20, 2016, 06:08:16 am
There are some members who are not aware that there are other countries than the US (:-)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Otto Phocus on July 20, 2016, 06:52:13 am
I think it should be up to the individual to decide what to fill out in their profile... and to accept any consequences or inconveniences for that decision.

I also think that if a person is asking or answering a specific question that is location dependent that they include that information in their question or reply.
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Tim Lookingbill on July 20, 2016, 09:16:35 am
I have no worries of my online personal information being found out about even after becoming an I.D. theft victim.

In fact I'm kinda' glad this happened to me because it motivated me to investigate just how it happens and how frequent by asking random strangers I meet in my town and IRS and financial institution CSR's who handle such matters. None said it had anything to do with their online activity. Their social security number and date of birth was found by other methods mainly centering around stolen credit cards and hospital stays dealing with medical billing specialists.

Even a local policeman said they get a a few calls on ID theft activity and indicated the culprits never if rarely are caught.
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on July 20, 2016, 09:51:35 am
If I have to ask someone one more time what part of the world they are from I am going to explode.
Not just here but it seems every forum I am on no one wants to fill out their location in the profile.
It's simple it is painless and if you want to know where to find a vendor or anything really we have to know what part of the world you are from.
I just hate having to answer a question with another question..
Rant over. :-\

Hi Dan,

I understand the irritation. It is lazy, or inconsiderate, to ask about vendor recommendations without stating the region or even country. I occasionally also find it useful to know what cultural background one has, in order to better understand some of the questions/remarks.

On such occasions, I feel an urge to reply with an answer like: two blocks from the street where I live. But in practice I usually ignore the question, even if I might help the person if I knew he/she lives in my region.

But it cannot be a mandatory entry, because that is e.g. illegal in the Netherlands (where I live) and probably in most of Europe. Due to privacy law, there are rules and regulations about collecting/storing personal data, and it is usually only allowed for conducting normal business, e.g. an address is required to deliver ordered goods otherwise it's not allowed to record it. If records are held, then there are lots of regulations about protection of that info, and a right to check all data that is collected upon request. Not everybody abides by those rules, but they might be forced to comply with the law.

So out of courtesy, and respect for fellow members, it would be nice if people give a hint about their approx. location. But making it mandatory is one bridge too far.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: RSL on July 20, 2016, 11:49:49 am
Hi Bart, that's easy for a fifteen-year-old to say. ;D
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on July 20, 2016, 11:56:55 am
Hi Bart, that's easy for a fifteen-year-old to say. ;D

What is, Russ?

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: stamper on July 21, 2016, 03:38:26 am
What is, Russ?

Cheers,
Bart

Your profile states 15 yrs. Were you born in a leap year?
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on July 21, 2016, 03:44:25 am
Your profile states 15 yrs. Were you born in a leap year?

Yes I was (but not on February 29th).  Quantum leap!

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 21, 2016, 09:59:04 am
... find it useful to know what cultural background one has, in order to better understand some of the questions/remarks...

How racist ... You must be a Trump supporter  ;)
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: drmike on July 21, 2016, 10:48:02 am
Come now Slobodan not all racists are Trump supporters :)
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 21, 2016, 12:13:45 pm
... A frequent question is in what shop can they buy a certain piece of camera equipment and don't state which country they live in. ::)

If only humanity would invent something that can transport us to another country within hours ;)

Back in the 70s and 80s, my photographic friends from Belgrade (Yugoslavia) would go to New York to specifically buy camera equipment. I flew to London over one weekend for the same reason.

Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on July 21, 2016, 12:35:31 pm
Come now Slobodan not all racists are Trump supporters :)

Correct, and I am neither.

Slobodan's somewhat juvenile joke(?) seems to miss the point that I addressed.

As an example, when photographers from South East Asia ask about how to achieve nice or 'better' skintone, it's very likey that they mean something else than someone from Western Europe does. Skin bleaching creams and lotions (some with Hydrochinone) are big business in those parts of Asia, and a pale skin is considered beautyful, whereas in western cultures, skin bronzing is more preferred.

So, with such background info, discussions can become less confusing and more inefficient.

BTW:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)
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While some researchers sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive or simplistic way, and argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance by pointing out that all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens, and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 21, 2016, 01:09:09 pm
...Slobodan's somewhat juvenile joke(?)...

Neither juvenile, nor a joke.
 
Using someone's cultural background [i.e., country of (cultural) origin] in order to better understand their position is exactly the metrics used against Trump to accuse him of racism.  Or used to praise a Supreme Court judge when she said the same thing.
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on July 21, 2016, 01:23:10 pm
Neither juvenile, nor a joke.

So, are you accusing me of racism???
 
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Using someone's cultural background [i.e., country of (cultural) origin] in order to better understand their position is exactly the metrics used against Trump to accuse him of racism.

You'll have to be more specific than that. What metrics being used against Trump are you talking about???

Many of Trumps statements are filled with bigotry. I'm not saying he means what he says (although he brings it convincingly), he's just saying what his voters like to hear. He targets / appeals to their primitive emotions, and they gobble it up without chewing on it.

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Or used to praise a Supreme Court judge when she said the same thing.

I have no idea what you are referring to. Do elaborate, but it would perhaps be more on topic if it was answered in a different thread.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 21, 2016, 01:48:16 pm
So, are you accusing me of racism???...

Of course not. Just showing how easy it is to (falsely) accuse someone of that.

For the other stuff, I agree it is better to continue somewhere else (beer in Chicago?), not in this thread.
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Jim Pascoe on July 27, 2016, 03:52:54 am

As an example, when photographers from South East Asia ask about how to achieve nice or 'better' skintone, it's very likey that they mean something else than someone from Western Europe does. Skin bleaching creams and lotions (some with Hydrochinone) are big business in those parts of Asia, and a pale skin is considered beautyful, whereas in western cultures, skin bronzing is more preferred.

So, with such background info, discussions can become less confusing and more inefficient.

BTW:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)
Cheers,
Bart

Precisely.  So When I say I'm off out to shoot some children my friends would realise that I will be photographing them.  People from the US on this forum may be worried I will be taking the gun......

Jim
(From a small town in the south of England)
Title: Re: Please, Please make providing your location mandatory on sign up!
Post by: Zorki5 on July 27, 2016, 04:22:53 am
People from the US on this forum may be worried I will be taking the gun......

From the look of things, it's more like people not from the US on this forum will be worried you (metaphorical "you", somebody on a playground in the US) will be "taking the gun".

Will this silliness ever end?