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Equipment & Techniques => Cameras, Lenses and Shooting gear => Topic started by: David Watson on June 27, 2016, 08:56:50 am
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No doubt you have all been following to a greater or lesser degree the tumultuous (or pathetic depending on your perspective) events in the UK.
In order to get into the spirit of this sharp move backwards I would like some advice regarding my photography. I currently use a digital Hasselblad semi-professionally and I am thinking of regressing to a 1930's film camera ideally with an obsolete format. Perhaps something that could be admired by other photographers as a principled stand against the pervasive globalisation of the digital culture. Once I have, on your advice, chosen the camera I will then take photographs and print them before hopefully selling them at inflated prices using a currency that no-one else uses.
I am calling this new approach to photography "entering the negative entropy zone". I am planning to write several books on the exposure techniques required using early Saxon English in order to be faithful to the period.
Advice on the choice of camera, film material, print size and marketing channels would all be appreciated.
As a by-product this advice may well be useful in a metaphorical sense to our new government when we get one.
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No doubt you have all been following to a greater or lesser degree the tumultuous (or pathetic depending on your perspective) events in the UK.
In order to get into the spirit of this sharp move backwards I would like some advice regarding my photography. I currently use a digital Hasselblad semi-professionally and I am thinking of regressing to a 1930's film camera ideally with an obsolete format. Perhaps something that could be admired by other photographers as a principled stand against the pervasive globalisation of the digital culture. Once I have, on your advice, chosen the camera I will then take photographs and print them before hopefully selling them at inflated prices using a currency that no-one else uses.
I am calling this new approach to photography "entering the negative entropy zone". I am planning to write several books on the exposure techniques required using early Saxon English in order to be faithful to the period.
Advice on the choice of camera, film material, print size and marketing channels would all be appreciated.
As a by-product this advice may well be useful in a metaphorical sense to our new government when we get one.
On the photography end, I go with Polaroid!
As to BREXIT, the fundamental problem with the whole EU experiment is that it should have been an exercise if expanding liberty (free exchange of goods, services and travel) and instead became an exercise in repression (unelected bureaucrats in Brussels determining the minimum size peach that can be sold at market).
Simple solution is 2 levels of membership:
1. Basic plan where goods, services and people can move freely through the zone.
2. One world government plan where you cede all authority to the unelected bureaucrats.
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Certainly you should first consider formats and films which are not available anymore, or can not be processed. KodaChrome and Polaroid are the prime candidates. This would make a firm statement about there being no possibility to turn back time.
In the past there were wars at regular intervals, then between the hostilities people would work hard to get ahead and prosper. Now there has been peace in Europe (most of it) for so long, that people get bored with their relative wealth and want to make problems for themselves, like exiting the EU or joining ISIS.
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Isn't there a sub-forum for this? Please move this to Coffee Corner.
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...people get bored with their relative wealth and want to make problems for themselves, like exiting the EU or joining ISIS.
Grouping love and rape aren't we? Quite vulgar comparing voluntarily leaving a government association and joining a terrorist group.
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126 film cartridge, a box and a pin to put a hole in the box...
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Grouping love and rape aren't we? Quite vulgar comparing voluntarily leaving a government association and joining a terrorist group.
Getting worse off, both.
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Isn't there a sub-forum for this? Please move this to Coffee Corner.
Can't be done: that's reserved for generally non-photographic topics.
Such an important innovation as obsolete format photography is too momentous - as in of the moment, perhaps, or even perhaps not - to confuse with idle chatter on silly events like ruining economies.
I think this is an amazing idea, and one with a great future. I actually do have a freezer with lots of Kodachrome still in it. As frozen as a bald polar bear, I might add. Always knew I had a firm grip on the crown jewels - only hadn't realised I'd need gloves to cash in on the blessing. Perhaps there's a way to rewire a scanner to process it? No, the Kodachrome, not the glove.
Rob
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Grouping love and rape aren't we? Quite vulgar comparing voluntarily leaving a government association and joining a terrorist group.
What has government to do with rape? I thought farmers planted that, specially for landscape photographers. I don't think of farmers as terrorists, but then I'm not a rambler.
Rob
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In the spirit of the debate we heard over the EU referendum, I'd like to give you a balanced argument; lies, hyperbole, polemic and misinformation on both sides.
So, I'd suggest a Great British marvel, a J Lancaster & Son 'Instantograph' Field Camera. Surely far superior to any of this foreign rubbish the youngsters of today are using. Those fifty-somethings just don't appreciate good British craftsmanship. On the other hand, you may want to go for some great German engineering and the Leica S. Of course, if you buy the Leica, you're a traitorous commie pinko liberal, who hates Britain and is happy to see us swamped by hordes of Islamic cameras from Turkey, and Polish cameras taking the photographic job opportunities away from fine English yeomen-cameras. But if you go with the 'Instantograph', the sky will fall on your head, and the pound in your pocket won't be enough to buy a single photographic plate. It's your decision, but whichever one you choose, it's the wrong choice, you idiot/racist/traitor/xenophobe (delete according to preference).
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I would recommend a true british camera: Ross & Co, London, with 24 x 18 cm plates. It was the camera of the great mountain photographer Vittorio Sella.
http://arttattler.com/archivesella.html (http://arttattler.com/archivesella.html)
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Pinhole camera, home-made, with Ilford positive paper.
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Pinhole camera, home-made, with Ilford positive paper.
I knew it couldn't last: here we go - racism! What's wrong with goode olde Kodak negatives?
Rob C
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I should see if I can get ahold of my late uncle's Reid. I forget the exact model but it's basically a Leica III copy. He used it mainly with a Zeiss 50mm he "procured" at the end of WWII, though I think he had a British 50mm as well (Taylor Hobson?). My dad used it some and thought very highly of it. Since Ilford is still around the film & developer choices are no-brainers (sorry, Rob).
-Dave-
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I suggest a Canon DSLR, everybody says they are behind the competition for several generations:)
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Any camera would do, provided it gets proper firmware:
1. In aperture priority mode, whatever the scene in front of camera, it should record an image of happy ponies eating butterflies pooing with rainbows.
2. In shutter priority modes, it should record an image of crying children in shabby clothes, with a masked maniac in the background holding something shiny in his hand (it is very important he's a blurred a bit -- everyone should see it's a maniac, but what exactly it is, or what he/she is holding should not be easily discerned; it should just be clear it's something DANGEROUS!)
I bet both parties will be happy with such a camera (provided only them can use it, i guess...)
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Any camera would do, provided it gets proper firmware:
1. In aperture priority mode, whatever the scene in front of camera, it should record an image of happy ponies eating butterflies pooing with rainbows.
Truly the end of the world as we knew it to be...
Peter
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http://www.corfield.org/camera/page3.htm
Almost there, but forgot a major aspect of the periscope principle: it requires a submarine be attached. Other than that, a close runner for the Nikonos Cup of the Year.
Rob C
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What has government to do with rape? I thought farmers planted that, specially for landscape photographers. I don't think of farmers as terrorists, but then I'm not a rambler.
Rob
LOL You would think nothing, but unfortunately a considerable amount of legislation is aimed at raping somebody or another!
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Grouping love and rape aren't we? Quite vulgar comparing voluntarily leaving a government association and joining a terrorist group.
Ya. A bit like saying the EU Laws are to do with the sizing of fruit. Of course they had nothing to do with improving civil liberties, pay conditions and a whole plethora of other laws that have improved the lives of EU citizens.
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Ya. A bit like saying the EU Laws are to do with the sizing of fruit. Of course they had nothing to do with improving civil liberties, pay conditions and a whole plethora of other laws that have improved the lives of EU citizens.
Oh there is good with the bad, that is not in dispute. But there could have been the good without the bad.
The reason for the minimum size regulation on peaches is to keep the price of peaches high. Winners of this government largess is able peach growers that get more for their crop. Losers are consumers, especially the poor, that pay higher prices for peaches, less able peach growers or those that had less favorable weather, and society as a whole at the loss of peaches. For the economic illiterate, I recommend Bastiat's 1850 paper That Which is Seen, That Which is not Seen (http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html) and Gene Callahan's Economics for Real People (https://www.amazon.com/Economics-Real-People-Introduction-Austrian-ebook/dp/B005O178VO?ie=UTF8&qid=1467205261&ref_=la_B001KCHBC2_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1#navbar). What is gained on one hand is more than lost on the other, but the gain is concentrated and visible while the loss is diffuse and usually invisible.
Oh, and as a Yank, I have to admit that it is our belief that civil liberties are the right of the individual. Government may protect or abridge them, but can not grant them. The rightful purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property so that peace may reign over the land. Government has no reason to be involved whatsoever in "pay conditions" which is a matter between employer and employee, for once involved it becomes and act of plunder. Either the government forces pay to high and plunders the employer or pay too low and plunders the employee.
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Oh there is good with the bad, that is not in dispute. But there could have been the good without the bad.
Oh, and as a Yank, I have to admit that it is our belief that civil liberties are the right of the individual. Government may protect or abridge them, but can not grant them. The rightful purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property so that peace may reign over the land. Government has no reason to be involved whatsoever in "pay conditions" which is a matter between employer and employee, for once involved it becomes and act of plunder. Either the government forces pay to high and plunders the employer or pay too low and plunders the employee.
AFAIK, government employees get the best pensions, too! Here, in Spain, they also get the best - longest - holidays: try posting or collecting your mail around Xmas and New Year! Or even today, in Puerto Pollensa: Sts. Pere i Pau; aka Bonnie and Clyde, you could say.
Rob C
P.S. I don't know if Bonnie and Clyde made cameras, but the double-barrelled formula seems to have a future. Much like an improved smartphone that you can read in the full glory of sunlight.
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AFAIK, government employees get the best pensions, too! Here, in Spain, they also get the best - longest - holidays: try posting or collecting your mail around Xmas and New Year! Or even today, in Puerto Pollensa: Sts. Pere i Pau; aka Bonnie and Clyde, you could say.
Rob C
P.S. I don't know if Bonnie and Clyde made cameras, but the double-barrelled formula seems to have a future. Much like an improved smartphone that you can read in the full glory of sunlight.
In the U.S. that has been changing on the Federal level. Not quite the gravy train as it used to be, but pay has gone up too.
Juxtapose President George Washington who twice turned down offers to be made King at the birth of our country and turned it down and President Barack Obama who on several occasions has opined on his desire to be dictator. The character of our leaders has been in almost constant decline! As President Thomas Jefferson remarked "The natural progress of things is for the government to gain ground and for liberty to yield."
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Oh there is good with the bad, that is not in dispute. But there could have been the good without the bad.
The reason for the minimum size regulation on peaches is to keep the price of peaches high. Winners of this government largess is able peach growers that get more for their crop. Losers are consumers, especially the poor, that pay higher prices for peaches, less able peach growers or those that had less favorable weather, and society as a whole at the loss of peaches. For the economic illiterate, I recommend Bastiat's 1850 paper That Which is Seen, That Which is not Seen (http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html) and Gene Callahan's Economics for Real People (https://www.amazon.com/Economics-Real-People-Introduction-Austrian-ebook/dp/B005O178VO?ie=UTF8&qid=1467205261&ref_=la_B001KCHBC2_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1#navbar). What is gained on one hand is more than lost on the other, but the gain is concentrated and visible while the loss is diffuse and usually invisible.
Oh, and as a Yank, I have to admit that it is our belief that civil liberties are the right of the individual. Government may protect or abridge them, but can not grant them. The rightful purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property so that peace may reign over the land. Government has no reason to be involved whatsoever in "pay conditions" which is a matter between employer and employee, for once involved it becomes and act of plunder. Either the government forces pay to high and plunders the employer or pay too low and plunders the employee.
They must have found a loophole because the peaches one gets in Ireland are far from huge!! There were way more important issues that the public did not understand which is why Cameron should have had the balls to let parliament vote on it. It just turned out into a simplistic nationalistic argument. Anyway. That's all I'm saying. I'm tired and grump :o)
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Hi All
Staying with the photographic theme I counted the votes for my local area last week and there were a STOP more votes to leave than stay in .
Regards
Jon
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The character of our leaders has been in almost constant decline! As President Thomas Jefferson remarked "The natural progress of things is for the government to gain ground and for liberty to yield."
The actual quote is: "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground." Implying that the first precedes the second rather than the second being its cause. IOW Big Government—including such concepts as the unitary executive, which I presume you objected to when the GWB admin tried it on for size and which the BHO admin may also be taking cues from—is a result of loss of liberty. Now note that "liberty" has become a loaded and much abused term. Or maybe it always has been such. Liberty for whom and from what?
IMO Jefferson is getting at the human tendency to relinquish degrees of freedom for the sake of gaining degrees of security. That it will happen is inevitable. Most people, as much as we may squawk about "freedom" this or "liberty" that, willingly make this tradeoff. A large, complex society maybe even requires it.
Again IMO, those of us who genuinely want a fresh start or a renewal (however we may define that) should take Buzz Aldrin's exhortation seriously: Get your ass to Mars! We need a pressure release valve—that is, new territory we can explore & settle & escape to—and this planet no longer has one.
-Dave-
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Again IMO, those of us who genuinely want a fresh start or a renewal (however we may define that) should take Buzz Aldrin's exhortation seriously: Get your ass to Mars!
Actually, that was Arnold Schwarzeneggers line in the movie Total Recall:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dW9pUA1BI
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Hehe. ;D Of course Hauser is a character in a movie. Aldrin is a real person, and is genuinely serious. I've even got one of his t-shirts! ;)
http://store.buzzaldrin.com
-Dave-
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I hear the UK has a new camera model called THE BACKFIRE.
Edmund
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Government may protect or abridge them, but can not grant them. The rightful purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property so that peace may reign over the land. Government has no reason to be involved whatsoever in "pay conditions" which is a matter between employer and employee, for once involved it becomes and act of plunder. Either the government forces pay to high and plunders the employer or pay too low and plunders the employee.
Really? You have a short memory, for not only was liberty plundered from the slave but also labor delivered to the owner, by said government. Oh, how proudly democracy can be applied in a fractionate way, denying the votes and rights of many, be it in the polis of Athens, post independence United States, or the modern and very present "only democracy of the middle east".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
Edmund
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I hear the UK has a new camera model called THE BACKFIRE.
Edmund
It's got very low resolution: 52%, and according to some reports, insiders in the Company fixed the testing data by feeding in fake detail. There's a lot of fringing, and it's highly possible that the entire sensor will have to be redesigned as parts peel away.
Interesting times - I can see a lot of people being given the digital salute in time-honoured fashion.
Rob
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It's got very low resolution: 52%, and according to some reports, insiders in the Company fixed the testing data by feeding in fake detail. There's a lot of fringing, and it's highly possible that the entire sensor will have to be redesigned as parts peel away.
Interesting times - I can see a lot of people being given the digital salute in time-honoured fashion.
Rob
Yeah, the Brits keep checking their fingers, they're so afraid they got ripped off by those EU foreigners ;)
Edmund
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Yeah, the Brits keep checking their fingers...
And they were told by the Exit campaign that it should add up to to 12 of them.
they're so afraid they got ripped off by those EU foreigners ;)
Well, those remaining 10 fingers are suddenly worth much less, with the downgrading of the credit rating (making loans and imports more expensive) and the drop of the exchange rates which seem to stabilize at a lower level than before the results of referendum (Camera) became clearer.
Solution, produce the camera in the UK (or England) with UK parts and labour only. The devaluation of the GB pound will make it attractive to export.
Cheers,
Bart
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And they were told by the Exit campaign that it should add up to to 12 of them.
Well, those remaining 10 fingers are suddenly worth much less, with the downgrading of the credit rating (making loans and imports more expensive) and the drop of the exchange rates which seem to stabilize at a lower level than before the results of referendum (Camera) became clearer.
Solution, produce the camera in the UK (or England) with UK parts and labour only. The devaluation of the GB pound will make it attractive to export.
Cheers,
Bart
To Japan, Germany or to Sweden?
Rob
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To Japan, Germany or to Sweden?
To all of them of course, it will be cheaper to purchase in GB pounds because they are worth less (more Pounds to the Dollar / EUR / Chinese CNY / Russian Ruble / you name it).
It'll be really competitively priced compared to e.g. Hasselblad/Phase. ;)
Cheers,
Bart
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To all of them of course, it will be cheaper to purchase in GB pounds because they are worth less (more Pounds to the Dollar / EUR / Chinese CNY / Russian Ruble / you name it).
It'll be really competitively priced compared to e.g. Hasselblad/Phase. ;)
Cheers,
Bart
From where will they buy camera sensors - or will it be a brave new industry for Edgeland to pioneer?
Rob C
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From where will they buy camera sensors - or will it be a brave new industry for Edgeland to pioneer?
Absolutely, opportunity knocks. I can already see the stickers, "Only English components inside ®".
Cheers,
Bart
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Absolutely, opportunity knocks. I can already see the stickers, "Only English components inside ®".
Cheers,
Bart
This camera was made in the Rump Kingdom of England ...
Edmund
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Actually the 1930's camera could be better. The biggest image capture we have in digital is about 50mm. Film was maybe 5 times that.
A bit like music on mp3 vs vinyl records and the common telephone which now has Donald Duck voice and fails 4 times per year. I digress.
Although not from the UK, but having been brought up watching Alf Garnett and Steptoe and remembering when British cars were made in Britain I would say this. Feel free to add more.
Top five reasons why Brexit occurred:
1. Stay voters were too drunk to get out of bed before 6PM (or whenever polls close)
2. It is not compulsory so nobody is going to force me to vote.
3. I don't have to vote because everyone is going to vote to stay anyway.
4. You never gave me the chance to vote to join the Common Market (as per Alf G) so cop this.
5. I have never been to the next county, why would I want to go all the way to France.