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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Digital Image Processing => Topic started by: Redcrown on May 26, 2016, 11:43:54 pm
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Adobe says so in this video published today, May 26.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DoCQMelAMM
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They are always working on new features when they are ready. There really is no long a concept of a "new majors version of Photoshop", it's there are new features that will be released incrementally.
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But it is what they (Adobe) say in the video, a major release of CC coming soon
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But it is what they (Adobe) say in the video, a major release of CC coming soon
yes, CC, CC2014, CC2015 - this one will be most probably CC2016 (new beautiful graphics with small letters saying something like "2016 Release" in small font) ... but some people are still selling us "no longer a concept of a "new majors version of Photoshop"
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Adobe says so in this video published today, May 26.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DoCQMelAMM
Well, first of all, it seems that Adobe has to hype their product with features like "content aware crop", which sounds like another bell/whistle that nobody will ever use after day 3. I'm not sure what it is, but, in the back of my mind, somebody is saying, "Is it that hard to manually crop an image?".
Second, in the old, pre subscription days, they would bundle a few of these silly things along with something serious into a new package attached to the old software, and try to inspire people to spend 500 or so just to stay current. Today, it's just a steady trickle of monthly money for those that are using it, which is probably quite sticky (like that gym membership that makes you feel bad for not using it), so I guess they have to do a little show for the holdouts and newbies. So, therefore, content aware crop.
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The principle behind the "content-aware crop" is not bad, but to hype as as an important or innovative feature is a little bit rich. The main advantage is that it allows you to keep the dimensions of rotated image in pretty much the original size, instead of reducing the size as the LR does after a rotation/horizon straightening.
I have used this trick as a two-step operation (first rotate image, then fill in the white corners using the content-aware fill or even clone tool) for several years since the content-aware fill was introduced in PS CS5. I find this technique quite useful in some situations, but it's easy enough to do it semi-manually as described above. Definitely not a reason to switch to PS CC.
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It would be even better if they put this feature into Lightroom / Camera Raw. I often use the straighten feature in Lightroom, which is very good for straightening buildings, but it can chop off the top of a steeple or whatever.
It would also help if the spot removal tool on Lightroom / ACR word at the edge of an image.
I would not expect CC 2016 before the end of the summer.
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Well, first of all, it seems that Adobe has to hype their product with features like "content aware crop", which sounds like another bell/whistle that nobody will ever use after day 3.
Which sounds like speculation from someone who's got zero experience testing this new feature.
I'm not sure what it is,
That's abundantly clear. For those who do know but can't yet speak of it, well that's a different story and a reason why some here (no names) will not take your comments at all seriously. :P
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Which sounds like speculation from someone who's got zero experience testing this new feature.
I don't "test". I retouch and make pictures. Sir. Testing is for those who don't produce.
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I don't "test". I retouch and make pictures. Sir. Testing is for those who don't produce.
You've neither retouched or tested, nor ever used a feature you are knocking, that much is clear!
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You've neither retouched or tested, nor ever used a feature you are knocking, that much is clear!
Ok, you got me. You egged me on to the point where I did some research about this wonderful new feature. So, let me put it this way. If one was required to do a Photoshop competency test while interviewed for a job in most any quality retouching shop, and used that tool, they would be politely snickered out the back door. I'm mystified why they included that in such an expensive piece of software, because it belongs on a tablet for rank amateurs to use, who probably never print their pictures, even at WalMart. But, then again, Photoshop is no longer "expensive", in the short run, so maybe this will prove to be a fantastic marketing tool that attracts said rank amateurs to the subscription service. I understand why Adobe walks this line, because serious photography and post processing is a tiny market, compared to the average consumer base, but, really, this feature doesn't even warrant serious discussion. Leave it to the IPhone snapping HDR masses to marvel over.
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Ok, you got me. You egged me on to the point where I did some research about this wonderful new feature. So, let me put it this way.
The way to put it is simple; you have ZERO experience with this feature yet you've stated something utterly ridiculous, as you do so often over on RetouchPro:
... it seems that Adobe has to hype their product with features like "content aware crop", which sounds like another bell/whistle that nobody will ever use after day 3.
Nobody or you based on zero experience with the feature?
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You are very argumentative.
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You are very argumentative.
"To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge". -Benjamin Disraeli
You've got a lot to learn about features in a product you have never used.
Meanwhile, your lack of transparency or chops if you will, is conspicuously absent just like on the RetouchPRO forums you frequent. Where is the serious photography (your term) of yours sir?
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Well, if you must, about fifty major magazine covers over time,hundreds of national ads, and many catalogues. You know, the real world.
Bye. Working on a beauty shot right now. Not advising about how to do it.
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Well, if you must, about fifty major magazine covers over time,hundreds of national ads, and many catalogues. You know, the real world.
Real or made up (like your statement about a new feature you've never used)? With such a consistent lack of transparency, hiding behind an alias, as far as I know, you're back on your daddy's computer, trolling again but on a new site. IF you've got some photo chop's, why not let us see em? Not that this would aid in your silly text on a feature you have never used, speaking for others, based on zero actual experience. But at least your rant about rank amateurs, and serious photography might have an ounce of truth! Might...
Bye
Promise?
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Well, if you must, about fifty major magazine covers over time,hundreds of national ads, and many catalogues. You know, the real world.
Bye. Working on a beauty shot right now. Not advising about how to do it.
can you actually give us your website so we can see your work? You are very opinionated and when questioned on your statement, you give some snarky reply.
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can you actually give us your website so we can see your work? You are very opinionated and when questioned on your statement, you give some snarky reply.
This topic is not about a person but about a new Photoshop feature, that nobody has used yet.
Having said that ; 'Content aware' is there since some years now and for most of the pixel peeping community here it never brought ( and never will bring) anything more than a quick solution for websized images...
So without having tested this feature yet, i can imagine that Benny presumes it will not be of real value to him.
pieter kers
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This topic is not about a person but about a new Photoshop feature, that nobody has used yet.
Not exactly accurate. Some have. Enough said. Those who haven't but complain about the feature should be ignored. That's my only point to Mr. Profane who's main goal is to rant and I agree, often provide snarky replies.
i can imagine that Benny presumes it will not be of real value to him.
Not exactly accurate. He's speaking for everyone (again):
Well, first of all, it seems that Adobe has to hype their product with features like "content aware crop", which sounds like another bell/whistle that nobody will ever use after day 3.
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Talking about new Features;
I like the raw converter in ACR /lightroom, but my major problem is moiré;
If they would address that i would very much appreciate it.
( other craw converters have less problems with it)
added- an overcolored example of moiré at a place you would not expect it...
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. . . it never brought ( and never will bring) anything more than a quick solution for websized images...
I have to disagree here. Content aware fill can be VERY useful in "fine art" work. As with any tool it isn't perfect and sometimes requires creative use and other tools to "finish the job." But overall it is a fine addition to the tool kit, IMO.
Rand
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can you actually give us your website so we can see your work? You are very opinionated and when questioned on your statement, you give some snarky reply.
No, I can't. All those covers are not my property. And the ads. My portfolio is on paper. I have had issues posting things like that in the past. It wasn't pleasant. Lawyers are pricey.
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No, I can't.
My portfolio is on paper.
Ah, more opaque than I thought.
On paper. Ever heard of a scanner or digital camera?
So IOW, you don't create anything yourself. You've got no photography of your own (hence your rant about amateur photography).
The more you write, the more clear it becomes for some of us what we should do with your strong opinions on software, photography and other matters. Explains the snarky replies too.
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No, I can't. All those covers are not my property. And the ads. My portfolio is on paper. I have had issues posting things like that in the past. It wasn't pleasant. Lawyers are pricey.
Then your opinion means nothing to me.
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No, I can't. All those covers are not my property. And the ads. My portfolio is on paper. I have had issues posting things like that in the past. It wasn't pleasant. Lawyers are pricey.
CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time)
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CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time)
Oh that's a good one! Please let us share it, the web is filled with Profane Benny's. ;D
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Oh that's a good one! Please let us share it, the web is filled with Profane Benny's. ;D
Feel free to use it. Fair credit though goes to Andy Ihnatko who used the term Celestial Waste of Bandwidth. This was just a riff off of Andy's CWOB that seemed appropriate.
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Say, btw, you should work on that website of yours, dog. 1997 called, and wants it back. Along with the content.
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do you know the difference between my professional re-touch works and your is?
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Say, btw, you should work on that website of yours, dog. 1997 called, and wants it back. Along with the content.
The content that was updated on 05.18.16? At least I have a web page. Transparency. Some actual experience shooting, working with pre-release software and finished software, enough to provide an informed opinion on that software. You've only got daddy's laptop and a connection to LuLa and RetouchPRO to rant on.
Get back to retouching on that Etch-a-Sketch of yours Benny boy.
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do you know the difference between my professional re-touch works and your is?
Um, what?
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nothing, i have never doe any professional retouching and until you actual show us any evidence that you have, they are exactly the same
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an overcolored example of moiré at a place you would not expect it...
I would actually expect moire in a situation like that even with a Camera with AA filter. The fine detail or high frequency in the bricks is what is causing it.
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I would actually expect moire in a situation like that even with a Camera with AA filter. The fine detail or high frequency in the bricks is what is causing it.
hello Francesco,
But does not that assume the bricks are placed in about as perfect in a raster like the sensor is?
I see a brick wall as a not perfect human shaped raster...
Also the bricks themselves are rough they have broken edges...
Anyway, in my experience moiré is a major problem of the ACR/LR raw engine. I have my ways of dealing with it, but it takes time and effort...
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hello Francesco,
But does not that assume the bricks are placed in about as perfect in a raster like the sensor is?
I see a brick wall as a not perfect human shaped raster...
Also the bricks themselves are rough they have broken edges...
Hi Pieter,
There is no need for perfect symmetry to cause aliasing. All that is required is finer detail than the sensor can resolve, and due to the Bayer CFA that resolution limit differs between Green and Red/Blue. If the detail has a high enough contrast (and with a decent lens, in focus, on a sensor without OLPF) it will, that will cause visible false color moiré. It will be even easier to detect if there is a slight difference in angle between the sensor array grid and the subject pattern, because the expected subject pattern is modified/distorted to different directions than the pattern itself.
Anyway, in my experience moiré is a major problem of the ACR/LR raw engine. I have my ways of dealing with it, but it takes time and effort...
Correct, ACR/LR show more False Color moiré and demosaicing artifacts than some other Raw converters. Some of it can be hidden with postprocessing, but one starts with a disadvantage. It also produces slightly lower output resolution than e.g. Capture One or RawTherapee, but most people use LR for the workflow benefits, not for the very best technical image quality.
Cheers,
Bart
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added- an overcolored example of moiré at a place you would not expect it...
Is that a cropped example of the image at 100% (1:1)?
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@digitaldog & @Benny Profane. I am receiving complaints about tone and attitude in this thread. My favourite tone was the Monty Python foot that stomped down with a loud crepitation Ending It All. You may hear it soon should the tone not improve. [Please do not reply]
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It just got interesting.
Christopher Hauser
ch@chauser.eu
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Oh no it didn't ... 😴
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Bart, thanks for explaining the moiré stuff;
Correct, ACR/LR show more False Color moiré and demosaicing artifacts than some other Raw converters. Some of it can be hidden with postprocessing, but one starts with a disadvantage. It also produces slightly lower output resolution than e.g. Capture One or RawTherapee, but most people use LR for the workflow benefits, not for the very best technical image quality....
I use ACR also because i really like the sharpness of the image;
I agree with Raw therapy; it does a really good job with detail, but i have a problem learning it and getting the colours right.. ;I have to disagree with Capture one. I get sharp parts mixed with "Trump hair' flat parts. The sharpness does not come at a level and uniformity of sharpness i get with ACR.
Probably i have not used capture one the way i should... I use a d810 BTW.
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Downloaded the latest update a few hours ago.
Using a Mac on Yoaemite. No problems with updating. No problems running the new software.
Content aware spotting much quicker and visibly improved. Big deal for me. I do a lot of product photography. The face aware liquefy is creepy in so far as how easy it is to use. I see myself using it a lot with corporate clothing catalogues where we do large volumes and models are never quite right for my fussy client. Content aware crop works as well as was indicated in the teaser video. I will most likely use it on occasion as well. Actually it is quite impressive. Must look at content aware scale and see if that is improved.
The select and mask feature built into all the selection tools is also going to be useful for me.
I suspect a lot of these features will suit commercial guys and perhaps not landscape photographers so much. For me it is very useful. Didn't look at the stuff that doesn't concern me such as art boards and so on.
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Thankfully, all but two of my plugins carried over this time with a simple copy & paste. The two that didn't were DxO Viewpoint 2 and Topaz Impression. Both had to be manually reinstalled.
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Thankfully, all but two of my plugins carried over this time with a simple copy & paste. The two that didn't were DxO Viewpoint 2 and Topaz Impression. Both had to be manually reinstalled.
None of my plug-ins transferred... quite a few too... Nik, OnOne10 and OnOne 9, the above mentioned as well, plus various others that I've collected and use.. Any easy way to re-enable them without re-installing?
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None of my plug-ins transferred... quite a few too... Nik, OnOne10 and OnOne 9, the above mentioned as well, plus various others that I've collected and use.. Any easy way to re-enable them without re-installing?
As I said, I had to copy and paste. They don't transfer automatically. Nik and OnOne should work with c & p.
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Adobe FAQ from Jeff Tranberry says you need to reinstall plug-ins with Photoshop CC 2015.5.
http://blogs.adobe.com/crawlspace/2016/06/faq-photoshop-cc-2015-5-now-available.html
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Wouldn't you know it... :-\
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Adobe says :
“Because Photoshop CC 2015.5 is a major version update it will install completely separately from the current version of Photoshop CC”
Seems odd if it’s a “major” version update they didn’t just go ahead and call it Photoshop CC 2016.
The new "Select and Mask Taskspace" (http://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/2016/06/select-and-mask-taskspace-in-photoshop-cc.html?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed) looks pretty good.
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Adobe says :
“Because Photoshop CC 2015.5 is a major version update it will install completely separately from the current version of Photoshop CC”
Seems odd if it’s a “major” version update they didn’t just go ahead and call it Photoshop CC 2016.
Unless there is another update in the works that will be PS CC 2016...
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Quote "Unless there is another update in the works that will be PS CC 2016..." end quote.
Maybe ACR 10 and Lightroom CC 2016/ LR 7 8)
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Adobe FAQ from Jeff Tranberry says you need to reinstall plug-ins with Photoshop CC 2015.5.
http://blogs.adobe.com/crawlspace/2016/06/faq-photoshop-cc-2015-5-now-available.html
Nonetheless, my Topaz plugins and Focus magic plugin are working normally after a copy and paste transfer to the new plugin folder.
Bill
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All my filters and plugins work fine after the copy/paste from the previous CC PS version to the latest.
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All my filters and plugins work fine after the copy/paste from the previous CC PS version to the latest.
Ditto. Everything seems to be working fine.
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Only a minor glitch with me: on two Windows 10 machines, after upgrading, the upgrade partially locked each machine until I rebooted (the start menu wouldn't work). On one machine the upgrade failed at first: when I ran PS it claimed all sorts of file access failures, and I had to remove and reinstall it. That's another hour of my life I shan't see again, but on the great scheme of things no great hassle.
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I will be happy the day the algorithm for content-aware crop can turn this kind of image without error.
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Content aware crop, to me works just like standard content aware, net it's can't handle complex patterns period. Same issues of not really being able to create a new image without replication. The larger the swatch the worst the issue. Most of the demo's on-line I have seen, you can see large pieces of the image just being duplicated. I had hoped that Adobe would possibly reworked or improve the Content aware algorithm, but it seem like is the same.
Just like the failure of Content aware scale, which was introduced in a previous release. Attempting to grow an image with Content aware scale even an inch, created all types of image abnormalities within the file.
Paul C
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I will be happy the day the algorithm for content-aware crop can turn this kind of image without error.
There's probably a team of geeks working on that. Someday an art director will just be able to conjure up an image from some cloud service with whatever elements he/she thinks is needed, and, Ouila. Synthetic photography. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. There seems to be a market for push button creativity.
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All my filters and plugins work fine after the copy/paste from the previous CC PS version to the latest.
My install doesn't see any of my plugins. Not sure what is going on.
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My install doesn't see any of my plugins. Not sure what is going on.
This is a new installation of Photoshop, so I don't think plug-ins will transfer automatically. Either move them manually (Google for the folders to move) or reinstall them. In the case of Nik plugins, I just ran the installer again, and Nik found the new location. Much quicker than doing it manually, and saves any chance of mistakes.
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My install doesn't see any of my plugins. Not sure what is going on.
The previous version of Photoshop was called Adobe Photoshop CC 2015, and the plugins would have been installed in a subfolder of that app in Applications / Program Files.
The latest update is in a folder called Adobe Photoshop CC 2015.5. You just need to move the plugins into there.
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In Windows installing with the option to remove the old version, after the installation
finish just need to copy or move the content inside c:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015\
to
c:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015.5\
The option to remove the old version will remove all Adobe stuff, but
will leave the third part stuff, which is exactly the files we need to copy.
For file operations nothing better than Double Commander, a cross platform
open source file manager with versions for Win/OSX/Linux/FreeBSD.
http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/
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Under Windows, as it seems, plugins are now moved into a different location when reinstalled. They now go to:
"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\CC" (rather than "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015.5\Plug-ins").
I reinstalled three or four of my plugins (such as ON1, Topaz, etc.), and they all went into the "Common Files\..." (rather than Photoshop's own) folder. Which is, I suppose, a good thing, since there [presumably] will be no need to reinstall plugins any more upon subsequent Photoshop updates such as this.
However, like others here, I did copy and paste manually the rest of my plugins into the usual "default" location
("C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015.5\Plug-ins"), and they appear to be working fine as well.
P.S.: Just waiting on the PhotoKit Sharpener -- has anybody moved theirs successfully manually?
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Working here...
Some plug-ins may install stuff in other directories other than the
c:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015\Plug-ins\
May have stuff in:
c:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015\
c:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015\Presets\Scripts\
and other places...
If the older version still there, uninstall(will remove default Adobe stuff) and
all the non Adobe stuff will be there waiting to be copied/moved to the new
c:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015.5\
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The previous version of Photoshop was called Adobe Photoshop CC 2015, and the plugins would have been installed in a subfolder of that app in Applications / Program Files.
The latest update is in a folder called Adobe Photoshop CC 2015.5. You just need to move the plugins into there.
I moved them over when I installed. I don't have many, but do use FocusMagic quite a bit and it doesn't seem to load. Also a couple of digimarc plugins are both in the ln folder but neither are available.
Not quite sure what is going on. I may have to uninstall/reinstall.
edit: (Just installed the Nik collection, it added a folder called google into my PS CC 2015.5 folder with all of their modules inside, but none of them are available in Photoshop. When I click on the about plugin menu, the only plugin listed is ACR.)
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So I found a solution.
according to this article (https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/plug-ins-photoshop-troubleshooting.html), plugins can be installed in one of two locations, either the plugin folder inside the PS CC 2015.5 folder (as before) or in a new location which Adobe is asking all plugin developers to support that allows plugins to remain in one location across new versions of PS.
On a Mac that folder path is Hard Drive/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Plug-Ins/CC
Moving my plugins to that folder solved my problem. However they do not work if they are in the traditional plugin folder inside the application folder.
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Thanks, Wayne. This is a a bit of a pain in the butt especially as copy/paste works for most plugins & filters.
From the Adobe link:
Here are some good general guidelines to follow with third-party plug-ins to avoid problems:
Never:
Manually drag plug-ins from a previous version of Photoshop’s plug-ins folder to your current version’s Photoshop Plug-Ins folder.
Always:
Check the plug-in manufacturer’s website for the latest version of your plug-in. Downloading an updated version will often fix plug-in issues.
Use the manufacturer’s plug-in installer to install (or re-install) their plug-ins.
Tip: In the past, 3rd-party plug-ins using their own installation mechanism weren’t automatically moved or synchronized between major Photoshop versions (such as Photoshop CC 2014 to Photoshop CC 2015 release).
For CC 2015.5, in order to minimize the need for reinstallation between major versions, we've asked developers to start installing into a shared Creative Cloud location. Please reinstall/update your 3rd party plug-ins for 2015.5 so 3rd party plug-ins are automatically loaded between major versions.
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So.... has anyone found that their plugins now install per Adobe's recommendations?
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My install doesn't see any of my plugins. Not sure what is going on.
New "behavior" if you will, with this newer version of PS and how it handles plug-in migration. Copy the older items over, reinstall. Both will get you back in order.
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See:
http://www.davidebarranca.com/2016/06/html-panel-tips-21-photoshop-cc2015-5-2016-survival-guide/
Adobe is headed toward a common plug in folder as noted in this post. Install/copy your plug ins there and they are accessible to all CC versions.
Kirk
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Thanks, Wayne. This is a a bit of a pain in the butt especially as copy/paste works for most plugins & filters.
copy/paste or drag/drop to the new plugin folder works. I installed the Nik collection which placed them inside the traditional plugin folder inside the PS CC 2015.5 folder. Photoshop didn't show them. I moved them into the other folder (Hard Drive/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Plug-Ins/CC ) and they worked fine. guessing most plugins will work that way.
The way I read the article, the traditional plugin folder should still work. Not sure why it didn't. (maybe it's an older article and beginning with 2015.5 the plugins have to be in the new location).
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Thanks, Wayne.
I moved my plugins/filters, including Nik, to what would be the traditional location for 2015.5 and they worked. I guess that in the long run the new scheme may work better but informing us about this after the fact just shows a lack of concern from Adobe. I'm also guessing they've done a poor job of getting plugin developers onboard as I haven't noticed any communications from them about new installers.
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Under Windows, as it seems, plugins are now moved into a different location when reinstalled. They now go to:
"C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\CC" (rather than "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2015.5\Plug-ins").
I reinstalled three or four of my plugins (such as ON1, Topaz, etc.), and they all went into the "Common Files\..." (rather than Photoshop's own) folder. ...
P.S.: Just waiting on the PhotoKit Sharpener -- has anybody moved theirs successfully manually?
Anyone have information on how to get Photokit Sharpener installed in CC 2015.5? I've was successful in copying/pasting my _x64.8bf Topaz files over to the new CC folder. I next ran the pksharpener installer (Setup.exe, version 2.07 from may 2013) and it provided a dialog box which allowed selection of "Adobe Photoshop CC 2015.5". I pressed OK and got no error messages. But, now when I run PS CC2015.5 I do get an error message:
"One or more plug-ins are currently not available on your system..." and Photokit Sharpener does not appear in the Automate section so it appears it did not install.
Ken
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"One or more plug-ins are currently not available on your system..." and Photokit Sharpener does not appear in the Automate section so it appears it did not install.
You have to reinstall it (or properly copy it). Easier to do the former for some.
If you need to get an installer, go to this URL: http://www.pixelgenius.com/downloads.html (http://www.pixelgenius.com/downloads.html)
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Thanks Andrew. I downloaded the more recent pksharpener_208_installer.zip (I previously tried my existing _207 version). The install went smoothly, activated automatically, and PK Sharpener is now working!
Ken
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As I mentioned in a separate post in this subforum, there is a glitch with the new Select and Mask feature (which replaced Refine Mask) that is affecting some people, including me. That is, the Select and Mask feature is not available (greyed out) for masks that accompany adjustment layers. I have seen comments about this in a couple of Adobe forum, but can't tell how widespread the problem might be. Not an insurmountable problem, at least for some images, but makes for some extra work.