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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: wing1 on May 24, 2016, 08:04:27 am
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Here a Sony communication after the Japan earthquake:
In addition, Sony decided to terminate the development and manufacturing of high-functionality camera modules for external sale, the mass production of which was being prepared at the Kumamoto Technology Center, as a result of a reconsideration of the strategy of this business from a long-term perspective. Approximately 30 billion yen in expense is expected to be incurred due to this termination.
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This statement does not refer to the manufacturing of medium format sensors as used in Phase/Hassy digital backs.
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This statement does not refer to the manufacturing of medium format sensors as used in Phase/Hassy digital backs.
Whatever. This highlights the fact that Phase and Hasselblad now survive on Sony's terms; and Sony's priorities.
Edmund
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Whatever. This highlights the fact that Phase and Hasselblad now survive on Sony's terms; and Sony's priorities.
But Edmund, how is that any different for Phase and Hasselblad (and Pentax) compared to all those others who use Sony's "high-functionality camera modules" ?
AFAIK Sony also makes the sensors for a number of Canon P/S cameras and Nikon cameras, and ...
Cheers,
Bart
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Whatever. This highlights the fact that Phase and Hasselblad now survive on Sony's terms; and Sony's priorities.
Please let me know which camera company has used more brands/sources for sensors than Team Phase One over their history. They've used sensors from just about everyone, selecting the best sensors available at any given time, including designing/commissioning their own sensors as needed (the sensors in the IQ360 and IQ380 were co-designed by and exclusive to, Phase One).
Please let me know a camera company shipping a camera with a better sensor than that in the IQ3 100mp.
You have to squint *really* hard to see anything besides a very good situation (both in absolute and relative terms) for Phase One over the last several years. They've never been in a position this strong.
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Doug, the issue is not whether anyone has a better sensor, the issue is whether there is another possible sensor source for Phase and Hassy. I guess Dalsa and whatever the former Kodak house is called now can both create a sensor and have it fabbed, as they make military and remote sensing sensors, but they won't be able to do the nice focus-pixel stuff that is needed for mirrorless, they won't be able to do video, and they won't be drop in designs for the existing software.
Phase and Hassy are now in a very precarious place. If Sony *need* to make 50 million iphone sensors in 6 months they may decide getting the 100MP fab up is simply to much trouble, during this time frame, and pay the million dollar penalty this entails to get out. Not that they would,pay it, their insurance company would pay it.
Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Panasonic compacts and dSLRs etc all have multiple sources available - or in the case of Canon a complete inhouse solution, up to and including masks and fab. Olympus uses Sony only, I believe, but they are part owned by ... Sony.
I see ... the aftermaths of an earthquake. I've been in a 7.5 and it teaches you to fear God, even if you are not a believer.
Edmund
PS Doug: Is the 100MP shipping again?
Please let me know which camera company has used more brands/sources for sensors than Team Phase One over their history. They've used sensors from just about everyone, selecting the best sensors available at any given time, including designing/commissioning their own sensors as needed (the sensors in the IQ360 and IQ380 were co-designed by and exclusive to, Phase One).
Please let me know a camera company shipping a camera with a better sensor than that in the IQ3 100mp.
You have to squint *really* hard to see anything besides a very good situation (both in absolute and relative terms) for Phase One over the last several years. They've never been in a position this strong.
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In case Sony stops the supply, both Phase One and Hasselblad will be in big trouble, but the whole MF market too... I believe it will shrink to an extend that no recovery can be... The market won't go back to CCD sensors...
I also believe that if a supplier for a new CMOS sensor will be found, (there are two or three sources other than Sony) it won't supply both makers... It will be an exclusive sensor to one maker... So there are two sources that should be found... The problem with these suppliers, is that one needs "references from other" already existing customer of theirs, so that they then will accept to produce exclusive sensor for a customer... This is due to the fact that those (other than Sony) that make MF size CMos sensors are currently making them for the cinema industry where the competition is high and the know how valuable.
I believe that both Hasselblad & Phase One should have opt for an exclusive to them sensor by now... Leica has done it and they where very wise in doing so, I believe (I've said that before) that Hasselblad is working on the matter for sometime now (the colaboration with Arri & then the partnership with DJI, also the newly introduced video RAW process software and the introduction of H6D with video suggest that)... I don't know what P1 has in its sleeve, but if Hasselblad has already find a source and Leica/Sinar another... Surely the number of sources have been shrunk considerably.
Anyway, either if Sony continues to make the sensors or not, MF makers have to look for exclussive to them Cmos solutions... the sooner they do, the better for them.
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Let's put this one to rest. I have spoken to sources that know and the medium format chip business is very important to Sony and they will not stop making these chips. Yes the earthquake caused some shipping delays but things are coming back on line. So, bottom line nothing changes.
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Let's put this one to rest.
What, and stop the Edmund and Theo show? Where's the fun in that? ;D
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What, and stop the Edmund and Theo show? Where's the fun in that? ;D
As commanded we will move to another play in our repertoire :)
Edmund
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Here a Sony communication after the Japan earthquake:
In addition, Sony decided to terminate the development and manufacturing of high-functionality camera modules for external sale . . .
The words "camera modules" as opposed to "sensors" makes this sound like the integrated sensor+lens devices that Sony makes for use in phones, machine vision systems, and so on. My read is that the numerous other companies now making these modules have turned it into a high-volume, low-margin, cheap-labor-dependent commodity market, so that Sony longer sees much potential for ROI.
It certainly does not sound like it has anything to do with sensors for medium format backs, even before Kevin's clarification.
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I remember as child my father replacing the valve radio we took camping with a Sony 6 transistor AM radio. Wow. Later on people bought Sony for the Trinitron monitors or the Bravia TVs or the Walkman tape and CD or Playstation game machines or whatever. The core business is that they are a high quality consumer electronics manufacturer. At the moment they are excited about camera sensors and even cameras, but how long will last until they get excited about something else?
That's why if I am interested in professional cameras I think Canon, Nikon, Hasselblad, Phase One, because imaging is their core business.
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Wow, wow, wow. If this path continues in sensor fabrication, in no time the whole world of photography will stop breathing when the next Japan earthquake strikes. During the film years nothing even close ever happenned. With the exception of Fuji, all main film factories were in non quaky land.
May god protect Japan
Eduardo
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Wow, wow, wow. If this path continues in sensor fabrication, in no time the whole world of photography will stop breathing when the next Japan earthquake strikes. During the film years nothing even close ever happenned. With the exception of Fuji, all main film factories were in non quaky land.
May god protect Japan
Eduardo
Relax: this is Sony getting out of the no-longer-profitable market for some of the camera+lens modules used in phones and such; the earthquake probably just put it over the edge from low profitability to not being worth the big expense of rebuilding the manufacturing lines, especially compared to the opportunity to reallocate that factory space to other more profitable products, like larger sensors for ILCs.
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Wow, wow, wow. If this path continues in sensor fabrication, in no time the whole world of photography will stop breathing when the next Japan earthquake strikes. During the film years nothing even close ever happenned. With the exception of Fuji, all main film factories were in non quaky land.
May god protect Japan
Eduardo
Could this signal a return to the majesty of film?
I still have a mint F3, and of all my lenses, only one is a G! (And it's focal length is duplicated by a manual one.) I'm sniffing out of the window for the delightful, delicate hint of a Kodachrome leader...
;-)
Rob C
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Could this signal a return to the majesty of film?
I still have a mint F3, and of all my lenses, only one is a G! (And it's focal length is duplicated by a manual one.) I'm sniffing out of the window for the delightful, delicate hint of a Kodachrome leader...
;-)
Rob C
Yeah, but d'you still have the eyes you need for focusing that F3?
A big part of the success of AF has been that everyone buying an SLR these days is over 40 :)
Edmund
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Yeah, but d'you still have the eyes you need for focusing that F3?
A big part of the success of AF has been that everyone buying an SLR these days is over 40 :)
Edmund
Ah, Edmund, the killer thrust from that fine Toledo blade!
Nope, I do not, which is the curse of glaucoma and age, and why I eventually bought an af 50mm Nikkor G, devoid of its better parts and film camera functionality.
BUT! My F3 has a split-image screen, and that's better than anything else, especially one of those damed green confirmation lights, that force one to look at the image as a whole, at the part of the image that matters, and try to ecompass all of that along with said green light outwith the image, without scanning and thus losing one's place in the moment!
Rob C
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BUT! My F3 has a split-image screen, and that's better than anything else, especially one of those damed green confirmation lights, that force one to look at the image as a whole, at the part of the image that matters, and try to ecompass all of that along with said green light outwith the image, without scanning and thus losing one's place in the moment!
Rob C
It drives me insane that split prism screens are no longer standard!
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It drives me insane that split prism screens are no longer standard!
Hi Joe,
Standard? For which widest aperture (assuming focusing at fully opened aperture)?
Split/micro-prisms work best at a given aperture, and go dark when (usually) narrower apertures are used.
Cheers,
Bart
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I have a 1Ds3 which is just about the best viewfinder on any 35mm dSLR AFAIK, HUGE, but I still miss the bright subjective experience of the old VFs. I don't know whether it's the AF or some other design change.
Edmund
Hi Joe,
Standard? For which widest aperture (assuming focusing at fully opened aperture)?
Split/micro-prisms work best at a given aperture, and go dark when (usually) narrower apertures are used.
Cheers,
Bart
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Hi,
With AF, I think that viewfinders are built for viewing more than focusing.
On the Hasselblad V 555/ELD I have a slit image viewfinder, that is dead accurate when focusing on something smooth as a flagpole, but pretty useless on something more textured like the trunk of a tree. I use it with a 3X monocular, so I have something 9X magnification.
IMHO, the best way to focus is magnified live view. It may be that you need to focus stopped down, as there is often a focus shift when stopping down.
Best regards
Erik
Hi Joe,
Standard? For which widest aperture (assuming focusing at fully opened aperture)?
Split/micro-prisms work best at a given aperture, and go dark when (usually) narrower apertures are used.
Cheers,
Bart
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Hi Joe,
Standard? For which widest aperture (assuming focusing at fully opened aperture)?
Split/micro-prisms work best at a given aperture, and go dark when (usually) narrower apertures are used.
Cheers,
Bart
I never had a lens that didn't work perfectly with a split-image screen; I never did expect to work with the lens stopped down and then try to use the split, when of course it would darken. That's not how you use it. I did not like the micro-prism surrounds: they just got in the way.
Something that drove me nuts: the chequered screens only came with a split-image centre if they were for slow lenses, for some logically contrary, misbegotten reason. I wrote to Nikon about that and even in the film days, it was impossible to get a reply to the actual question being asked - all I got was the reply to a question I had not posed. And even those non-split-image chequered screens didn't have enough lines. My old Rolleiflex TLR had a great chequered screen; more than enough lines for anything I asked of it.
A chequered screen was a godsend when shooting models against a sea skline. For some reason, it was far more difficult for me to get them right as verticals - probably too short a baseline to form a good impression of level.
Rob C
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Reading more carefully, this is Sony announcing a decision to abandon plans to enter a new product category, not to do with abandoning any current product or any category of sensor, be it for phones or SLRs of DMF. The source also contradicts any speculation about a decline in demand for its phone camera sensors from Apple or anyone else, despite some people jumping to the familiar "iPhone is doomed" Schadenfreude interpretation.
From the actual source, page 11 of http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/20160524_sonyspeech.pdf
After reconsidering the long-term prospects for the business, we have decided to terminate the development and production of high-functionality camera modules for external sale which we were preparing to mass produce at Kumamoto TEC. . . .
As for image sensors for mobile, which have not been directly impacted by the earthquakes, we believe profitability for the full fiscal year will decrease significantly year-on-year . . . However, orders from the customers we lost in the summer of last year, due to our inability to supply them, are steadily returning, and we expect to see a certain degree of recovery due to this return, in the second half of the fiscal year.
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Let's put this one to rest. I have spoken to sources that know and the medium format chip business is very important to Sony and they will not stop making these chips. Yes the earthquake caused some shipping delays but things are coming back on line. So, bottom line nothing changes.
Thanks Kevin.
I think quite a few of the frequent forum members who continuously post about the demise of medium format digital (and actually might be wishing for it, mainly due to their hate for the high prices of MFD) actually might need some mental healthcare (antidepressants).
Some proof of that is that the doom and gloom crowd has not let up given that the medium format digital camera landscape is stunning nowadays and better than ever. The XF (only a dream just a short while ago) is out there and the H6D as well, never mind the 645Z and the Leica S. The Sony 50mp and 100mp CMOS sensors have proven to be stunning and also the newer 60 and 80mp dalsa sensors continue to produce great results. Even the older Kodak sensors are being used to produce top level imagery by quite a few. So there are plenty of choices in MFD today in a wide range of prices when you include used gear.
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Thanks Kevin.
I think quite a few of the frequent forum members who continuously post about the demise of medium format digital (and actually might be wishing for it, mainly due to their hate for the high prices of MFD) actually might need some mental healthcare (antidepressants).
Some proof of that is that the doom and gloom crowd has not let up given that the medium format digital camera landscape is stunning nowadays and better than ever. The XF (only a dream just a short while ago) is out there and the H6D as well, never mind the 645Z and the Leica S. The Sony 50mp and 100mp CMOS sensors have proven to be stunning and also the newer 60 and 80mp dalsa sensors continue to produce great results. Even the older Kodak sensors are being used to produce top level imagery by quite a few. So there are plenty of choices in MFD today in a wide range of prices when you include used gear.
Can you imagine a Kia user constantly complaining on a Ferrari forum about the price of the latter and never shutting about how much more fuel efficient, comfortable and reliable his ride is?
...yeah.
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Can you imagine a Kia user constantly complaining on a Ferrari forum about the price of the latter and never shutting about how much more fuel efficient, comfortable and reliable his ride is?
...yeah.
Perfect analogy 8)
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Perfect analogy 8)
I'd like to think so, Ken, but it isn't as simple as that... nothing ever is, sadly.
;-)
Rob
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Perfect analogy 8)
It's not fair to Ferrari, to need a comparison with a Kia to 'prove' some kind of superiority.
Or is it not really that much better, only more expensive ... ;)
Cheers,
Bart
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It's not fair to Ferrari, to need a comparison with a Kia to 'prove' some kind of superiority.
Or is it not really that much better, only more expensive ... ;)
Cheers,
Bart
Friend of mine used to buy small-run sports cars. At one point he had a Renault Alpine and I commented on the fall-apart quality of the interior. His response: "A door handle on a Ford gets more engineer design time than the engine of an Alpine". Well, maybe it wasn't true of the engine, but it was true of the whole interior.
It's clear that Canon and other consumer manufacturers invest a lot of work by very qualified engineers in improving the functionality of every part of their cameras. This engineering work is amortised across tens of millions of sales. Saying their work is worthless because the cameras are cheap is ridiculous, snobbish and just plain dumb: A good design, the right grip shape, or a good algorithm remains good regardless of the sales-price.
In fact, low-end tends to be better made than high-end quite often: No company can afford to see its low-end product fail and generate a mass recall.
Edmund
PS: I know a lot of smart people who drive our cheap european compacts in town - because that's what works best in crowded european cities. And I invite our MF friends to grab a Canon Rebel, play with it for an hour, take a couple of snaps of their four year old and then write here whether it is the Rebel or the world-famous Phase One DF which is the better-focusing and generally better designed camera. I know that when I got a used Rebel for $200 I couldn't believe how this shoddy piece of plastic worked so well, and when I stuck a $50 50mm f1.8 prime on it I got portrait images that easily matched anything I could coax out of a luxury compact camera, or even achieve with a 5D or equivalent with a kit zoom lens.
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It's not fair to Ferrari, to need a comparison with a Kia to 'prove' some kind of superiority.
Or is it not really that much better, only more expensive ... ;)
Cheers,
Bart
I think Synn means that P1 backs are Ferraris and all other Kia... It goes with the intelligence level...
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I think Synn means that P1 backs are Ferraris and all other Kia... It goes with the intelligence level...
Theo, you don't need to point out the obvious :)
Edmund
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It's really kinda presumptuous to assume that your "MF friends" haven't shot with other formats, camera systems, or dare we say forays into less expensive photographic ventures, including the Canon Rebel, micro 4/3, film cameras, et al. Same with cars for that matter. But I'd place bets that most all of your MF friends also have other cameras/systems on the shelf besides medium format digital. I like to think people buy what they want to simply because they can---and because it brings some sort value to them, whether for business or for personal enjoyment.
:) ken
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Hi,
I don't see why this thread turned into comparisons between cars and sensor sizes. The original question was if Sony would stop making MF-sensors, due to Sony saying that:
"Sony decided to terminate the development and manufacturing of high-functionality camera modules for external sale"
Not clear to me what camera modules are…
Kevin talked to folks who now and says MFD sensors are important for Sony. The reason Sony is discussed is that they make all CMOS MFD sensors except Leica S.
Best regards
Erik
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I don't see why this thread turned into comparisons between cars and sensor sizes.
The you haven't been coming here long... ;D
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It's really kinda presumptuous to assume that your "MF friends" haven't shot with other formats, camera systems, or dare we say forays into less expensive photographic ventures, including the Canon Rebel, micro 4/3, film cameras, et al.
:) ken
Actually, I had never used a Rebel until I acquired one used almost by accident. I'm not sure that anyone of the older crowd has ever used one, as someone coming to digital from a Nikon F or a Hassy would not normally get near this piece of plastic.
Edmund
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I don't know about Ford handles, but Ford Fiestas must be the most challenging cars to reverse into tight spaces: looking back shows you nothing worth seeing. Even parking alongside a kerb on the driver's side is a neat trick to do well: the door's so thick (or the seat so far inwards), that one can hardly see anything important when the head gets poked out of the window in hope of seeing that elusive kerb. Mirrors? Their sense of scale makes the cheapest wide-angle lenses look fantastically efficient.
Every car that I have owned since my 1974 Humber Sceptre has become a step backwards in design. The current cars apparently have no fronts, no rears and are parked by sound: the sound of crunch or abuse. That parking bleepers come standard or can be order as extras is simply proof of the rotten design that goes into modern cars.
A Humber Hawk and Snipe were perfectly parkable, were large enough, yet could be driven through gates with an inch to spare on either side. Aiming through those same gates would challenge my little Fiesta. A Humber never demanded you have wrestler shoulders. I've had an XR2, and XR3i in Spain without power-assisted steering and both were bloody hard to park under any circumstances - so heavy. The Fiesta has got it, as had the Escort before it, but it blinds you instead. Progress.
No wonder there are 'design/value' similarities pointed out with cars and cameras!
Rob
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I think we all need to go back to the Soviet system, where you shot whatever was issued to you, Kiev 88 or Kalashnikov. :)
Edmund
I don't know about Ford handles, but Ford Fiestas must be the most challenging cars to reverse into tight spaces: looking back shows you nothing worth seeing. Even parking alongside a kerb on the driver's side is a neat trick to do well: the door's so thick (or the seat so far inwards), that one can hardly see anything important when the head gets poked out of the window in hope of seeing that elusive kerb. Mirrors? Their sense of scale makes the cheapest wide-angle lenses look fantastically efficient.
Every car that I have owned since my 1974 Humber Sceptre has become a step backwards in design. The current cars apparently have no fronts, no rears and are parked by sound: the sound of crunch or abuse. That parking bleepers come standard or can be order as extras is simply proof of the rotten design that goes into modern cars.
A Humber Hawk and Snipe were perfectly parkable, were large enough, yet could be driven through gates with an inch to spare on either side. Aiming through those same gates would challenge my little Fiesta. A Humber never demanded you have wrestler shoulders. I've had an XR2, and XR3i in Spain without power-assisted steering and both were bloody hard to park under any circumstances - so heavy. The Fiesta has got it, as had the Escort before it, but it blinds you instead. Progress.
No wonder there are 'design/value' similarities pointed out with cars and cameras!
Rob
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PS Doug: Is the 100MP shipping again?
Yup. Just got mine earlier this week.
Dave
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Yup. Just got mine earlier this week.
Dave
Congrats! Enjoy!
Edmund
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And it's so surprising the rebel feels the same as my rebel 8 years ago did. Way to go Canon! The important stuff is still missing.
Christopher Hauser
ch@chauser.eu
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Every car that I have owned since my 1974 Humber Sceptre has become a step backwards in design.
It feels like having an old 16x able 22mp MFDB doesn't it? :o .... ;D
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What it feels like is that the old bicycle wasn't such a bad deal - when I was young enough to push it up hills!
Part of what's wrong is that though these small cars can go faster on less fuel, you still have problems finding any place where you can go faster - should speed turn you on instead of making you wonder about the state of your tyres, and when you last checked the pressures...
Rob C
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Rob,
A bicycle is indeed a good deal. One of the most efficient modes of transportation. A single speed transfers something like 99% of the work to the wheels. Derailleurs lose a bit but still well over 90%.
I'd say off topic, but I'm not sure what the topic is anyway.
8)
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Rob,
A bicycle is indeed a good deal. One of the most efficient modes of transportation. A single speed transfers something like 99% of the work to the wheels. Derailleurs lose a bit but still well over 90%.
I'd say off topic, but I'm not sure what the topic is anyway.
8)
Whose topic?
Welcome to the comedy of the commons!
;)
Edmund
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Rob,
A bicycle is indeed a good deal. One of the most efficient modes of transportation. A single speed transfers something like 99% of the work to the wheels. Derailleurs lose a bit but still well over 90%.
I'd say off topic, but I'm not sure what the topic is anyway.
8)
Not off topic at all: we are talking bicycles here!
I had a lovely red Raleigh Lenton in 1953. It came sans gears, but I soon convinced the money sources to let me add a set of Derailleurs (first time I realised how that's spelled!) and they were so cool! Much more tech-looking than the thick, internally adjusting Sturmey-Archer alternative. My set came with three gears; I did end up with a Campagnolo changer arm, but I never managed to get it to function with the DR set of cogs. Naturally, I took up an engineering apprenticeship which wasn't a bright idea designed to last.
The rest, as they say, is history, but don't look for a historian who can remember this particular slice.
Rob
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My ghost carbon race bike with a 2x11 shimano group set will be here next week.
Can't wait!
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Giau-Pass/i-b6ZHcLm/0/XL/20100525-_DSC6961-XL.jpg)
Best regards
Erik
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I recently upgraded my race bike. I wanted it to become more comfortable, so I changed saddle and tyres. After the dealer had sold it to me and adjusted the saddle position for my measurements he said "the saddle will feel comfortable after about 700 km cycling". Now I have only 600 to go! Maybe I should have explained in more detail how little I cycle per season...
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Me Brompton.
Edmund
I recently upgraded my race bike. I wanted it to become more comfortable, so I changed saddle and tyres. After the dealer had sold it to me and adjusted the saddle position for my measurements he said "the saddle will feel comfortable after about 700 km cycling". Now I have only 600 to go! Maybe I should have explained in more detail how little I cycle per season...
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You guys all have me beat. I'm sporting a touring bike only. And my power meter keeps telling me I am the most powerful slug on the road.
:'(
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Yeah!
We finally focus on a very important topic in photography.
I spend all my money for my hobby. That's why I can't afford
the new Phase backs and still shoot with P45+ and P40+....... 8)
Fighting my way up the Col du Galibier......
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This is amazing! We all found something where we are happy with our equipment!
Edmund
Yeah!
We finally focus on a very important topic in photography.
I spend all my money for my hobby. That's why I can't afford
the new Phase backs and still shoot with P45+ and P40+....... 8)
Fighting my way up the Col du Galibier......
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(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/11110387_10152871870538196_3285133712709359708_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9)
Here's my cross country ride. Still waiting for the roadie to be delivered.
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Although I love cycling, you guys are nuts.
As a professional photographer I have no problem spending hoards of cash on professional cameras & lighting equipment.
Hoards of cash on professional bicycles, well I'm not a professional cyclist. ;)
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Although I love cycling, you guys are nuts.
As a professional photographer I have no problem spending hoards of cash on professional cameras & lighting equipment.
Hoards of cash on professional bicycles, well I'm not a professional cyclist. ;)
But Joe, you know it's the camera makes the pictures, so...
;-)
Rob C
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Although I love cycling, you guys are nuts.
As a professional photographer I have no problem spending hoards of cash on professional cameras & lighting equipment.
Hoards of cash on professional bicycles, well I'm not a professional cyclist. ;)
Maybe time will change your mind.....
18 years of "spending hoards of cash on professional cameras & lighting equipment" was enough for me.
My clients (and I) don't care if I shoot with a P40+ or an IQ3100 and my bron equipment is still (and will be for a long time)
everything I need.
But my legs care if I ride a 9 kg or a 6 kg bike, maybe because I'm nuts..... ;)
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I've got all the camera gear I need. Maybe I'll add some lighting gear in a bit, but that's about it.
I am an active person and I like to tinker around, so bicycles, motorcycles etc scratch that itch.
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I've got all the camera gear I need. Maybe I'll add some lighting gear in a bit, but that's about it.
I am an active person and I like to tinker around, so bicycles, motorcycles etc scratch that itch.
I thought you was going to say... "I've got all the Ferrari I need..." ;D