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Site & Board Matters => About This Site => Topic started by: kentphelan on March 29, 2016, 01:07:41 pm
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Kevin & Jeff:
Do you use a RIP with the P800 or the Epson print engine.
I am very interested in this printer to replace my long in the tooth 3800. I have been using Imageprint 9 with the 3800, as I do not have proofing capability. Is it finally time where we can go back to the manufacturer's solution?
Thanks,
Kent
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As you will see in an upcoming video I print through ImagePrint. Jeff uses Lightroom. Depends on your workflow. I go from Capture One 9 to a 16bit ProPhoto tiff and then into IP. The profiles for the new Legacy Papers are excellent. I have been using IP for years and I wouldn't think of changing.
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Hi!
Great video, entertaining and informative. But there's one minor error. You can, indeed use the front fine art feed with the roll paper adapter installed. You just can't have a roll in the adapter. You don't need to remove the whole adapter assembly.
Rand
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What is the basis for the limitation to 17x22 sheet prints? Is it just the availability of paper or is there something about the printer that limits to length to 22"? I want to make 16x24 prints. Is the best option roll feed?
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Hi!
Great video, entertaining and informative. But there's one minor error. You can, indeed use the front fine art feed with the roll paper adapter installed. You just can't have a roll in the adapter. You don't need to remove the whole adapter assembly.
Rand
Yeah, we found that out after the shoot. It's a tight fit but it works...
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What is the basis for the limitation to 17x22 sheet prints? Is it just the availability of paper or is there something about the printer that limits to length to 22"? I want to make 16x24 prints. Is the best option roll feed?
There is no limit to the length of the paper...going to long presents issues with feeding but 24" shouldn't be a problem...
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Kent,
I upgraded from 3800 to P800. No regrets at all. A few observations.
Economics: Finish up printing with your 3800. When it's time to buy a new ink set upgrade to the P800. I was able to get a $350 rebate so my net cost was around $450 ( $1195-ink at $450-rebate). They do cheap you a bit on included ink set being less than 80 ml per cartridge.
Set up: Easy! Less than 30 minutes with yes blue tape pulling accounting for half the time.
Footprint: about the same as 3800 but less rear space needed as thick paper has front feed that loads into sheet feed without extra rear feed for thick papers
THE ALL IMPORTANT PRINT: simply stunning particularly the gradations of tonality particularly in B and W. Noticeable improvement from 3800. My workflow is fairly basic but gives spot on prints. Spyder monitor calibration and Lightroom workflow/printing. ICC profiles for Epson(VFAP and Cold Press Bright) and Non Epson papers(Canson Baryta and Red River PolarMetallic) have been quite acceptable.
Verdict
Very pleased with the incremental improvements in ergonomics and print quality from my 3800.
Sam
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Great overview of the P800. Mine was rather easy to set up, as indicated, however I did not install the driver while the printer was hard wired. I am using it wirelessly from my iMac and the correct driver seemed to install just fine, and be working fine in wireless mode. Is it mandatory to set it up hard wired first? I didn't get that in all the articles I read about setup. Also the comment was made, that after inserting a paper through the front loader (I use Exhibition Fiber), there is no need to adjust the settings on the LCD screen as the printer driver will take care of that. In my case, if the settings are wrong, say it displays Glossy 17X22, and I have inserted Exhibition fiber 13X19, I will get an error message and have to eject the paper and re-insert it. What am I missing? While I enjoyed the video, it was more of a discussion than a demo. I really like the print reviews Michael used to do where he got down in the weeds, so to speak and sorted out the intricacies of the printer setup and especially the drivers, which can be quite confusing. Example, his HP Z3100 review on Jan 13, 2009. Excellent. He did the same sort of thing on the Epson 7900. Also, sorting out the "Paper Types" listed on the printer with the actual papers used, i.e., Velvet Fine Art is listed, but not any of the Hot Press papers. You have to figure out the translation....Exhibiton Fiber is Premium Luster, etc. Perhaps more is to come where we actually see the printer and drivers in use with a computer running Lightroom and not just ImagePrint (which Kevin said is forthcoming), albeit a fine application; I would guess the majority of us don't use ImagePrint. More detail, please. Like I said, nice overview on the printer, but hardly any kind of in-depth analysis. As for the blue tape, I agree with Jeff, maddening! But, so what, just pull it it off, dude.
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Perhaps more is to come where we actually see the printer and drivers in use with a computer running Lightroom and not just ImagePrint (which Kevin said is forthcoming), albeit a fine application; I would guess the majority of us don't use ImagePrint. More detail, please.
Old article but should get you going on IP: http://digitaldog.net/files/ToRIPorNotoRIP.pdf
Much of the functionality now exists in LR's Print Module.
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I am currently editing an ImagePrint video with Kevin and John Pannozzo from ColorByte Software.
In the video, Kevin goes through many of the features of IP v.10.
We expect to publish this around early May, 2016 as part of the Back to The Print series
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Good video. But OK, there are two competitors in this space - Canon and Epson. I am trying to decide between the two going up to 17" from a 13" carriage with a Canon 9500 MkII. The Canon has been superb as a high quality printer. I have heard that Epsons are nightmares on clogging. If the print head goes on the Epson, you throw it away, but Canon print heads can be replaced semi-economically. Also the Canon comes new with a full ink load but the Epson is a short ink load - a $500 ink load difference? Also the Canon does not have an ink loss swap between PK and MK. Can you do an impartial comparison of the Epson 800 and the Canon 1000? Maybe with an evaluator that is not as biased toward Epson as you seemed on the video. I have a small place and the Epson would be a better footprint. But I have never seen a glitch with my Canon.
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Can you do an impartial comparison of the Epson 800 and the Canon 1000? Maybe with an evaluator that is not as biased toward Epson as you seemed on the video.
That you perceived a bias in the video is not accurate...we were talking about the Epson printer and highlighted both the good and the bad. Remember how many Dano Dings there were?
As for doing a shootout, Im pretty sure LuLa would never do that...it's just way too subjective and arbitrary. When I wrote my Digital Print book, I used both a Canon pro printer as well as an Epson pro printer. My opinion? Both are excellent printers with very little difference of a substantial nature. Comparing the two would be useless. Should I tell you what printer to buy? Sorry, I can't and won't. You need to do your own eval and make your own decision. Sorry...
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Mine was rather easy to set up, as indicated, however I did not install the driver while the printer was hard wired.
I've set up a lot of printers over the years and this is my own "best practice" approach...I like to know exactly what driver is being used, I like to add them with my own naming so I know what printer is what and how it's connected; E9900 IP Ethernet, EP800 WiFi are my two printers at the moment. Do you NEED to do that? No...that's just the way I roll :~)
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I have heard that Epsons are nightmares on clogging.
I have an Epson 7900 which is a marvelous printer. It produces stunning prints. However, I have learned the hard way that I should have purchased the maintenance contract since the printer (according to many posts on the web and my own personal experience) is happiest when it is a workhorse being used every day or so. Letting it sit for weeks at a time causes problems, i.e., clogs, at least in my case it did/does. After three years of medium use and some weeks of non-use, many clogs have occurred and been fixed by running a head cleaning, but now the yellow channel has died/clogged. I have tried all the "reasonable" solutions to fix the problem but it appears a service call to Epson is the only real solution. That is a $1000+ proposition I am not comfortable with. Thus, I purchased the P800, especially since my need for 24 inch prints is fleeting and far between. So yes some older Epson printers have a clogging issue. Debating the severity of that issue is best left to the myriad posts on the web, which are legion. Since the P800 is a totally new printer with new ink formulations I feel it is reasonable to assume Epson has addressed this issue with the P800. I did buy the extended warranty. I have run a lot of prints through it and also let it sit for almost a month with no activity. No problems with clogs so far. Not a one. As for the quality of prints it produces, stunning. Compared to the 7900 at least with the naked eye, in some cases it slightly beats the 7900 or at least equals. It is a great printer. Easy to set up. Easy to use. I will probably convert the 7900 to a Black and White printer only. I considered going to Canon or HP after my 7900 experience, but I truly believe there is no perfect printer and I do believe the three major brands all produce stunning prints. I know Epson; I like the drivers; I use their paper exclusively, almost (I do use Canson Baryta occasionally), and profiles. My clients like the prints and buy them. 'nuff said. If the P800 turns out to be a dog in the years to come, then I will re-evaluate. As the old adage goes, "fool me once.....etc." Good luck on your decision.