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Title: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 06, 2016, 07:41:17 pm
Hi printing experts - can I use my Canson Platine custom profiles on Epson Legacy Platine?  Seems like I should be able to, but thought it's worth asking the brainiacs here...
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 06, 2016, 07:48:29 pm
The best way of finding out whether it works for you is to try it with several different kinds of photos - look for shadow detail, colour rendition, etc. Or try it with a good printer test image.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: hugowolf on March 06, 2016, 09:03:17 pm
Interestingly, Epson have profiles available for several printers, but not all. 3880, 7900, 9900, the new SC-P series, but not, for example the 7890 or 9890.

Brian A
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 09, 2016, 12:26:44 pm
Interestingly, Epson have profiles available for several printers, but not all. 3880, 7900, 9900, the new SC-P series, but not, for example the 7890 or 9890.

Brian A

yes it's strange - they have profiles for 3880 but not 9880 or 11880, which most people find are interchangeable. 
I'll give that a try on my next run.
still suspect that Canson Platine and Legacy Platine profiles will be interchangeable.

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 09, 2016, 12:29:32 pm

.........still suspect that Canson Platine and Legacy Platine profiles will be interchangeable.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. Please let us know once you've tried.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 10, 2016, 06:50:28 pm
Perhaps someone who speaks German can check the Epson site if they have the Legacy 9890 profiles?
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 12, 2016, 02:48:39 pm
Bozos at Epson CS said because my 9890 "predates" the Legacy paper they don't have profiles. My printer is less than one year old. The Legacy came out in January. Everything predates the Legacy paper.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 12, 2016, 03:28:29 pm
Bozos at Epson CS said because my 9890 "predates" the Legacy paper they don't have profiles. My printer is less than one year old. The Legacy came out in January. Everything predates the Legacy paper.

When you get obviously unhelpful answers like that, it is generally a good idea to have the question escalated to the next level of support. Anyhow, FWIW, my understanding is that only the sample packs are generally available, the rolls somewhat available, and the sheet formats (other than sample packs) not yet available. (The B&H website says "Special Order 7-14 business days.) I would expect Epson is in the process of getting the profiling done for the large number of printer models in which customers may use this paper. Just taking some time. I can't imagine that in the soonest feasible time period they will not have profiled these papers for every professional printer in their current line-up.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 12, 2016, 03:32:20 pm
Bozos at Epson CS said because my 9890 "predates" the Legacy paper they don't have profiles. My printer is less than one year old. The Legacy came out in January. Everything predates the Legacy paper.

Just go to Cansons website and download their Platine profile for your printer, it will work fine. I've been using my custom Canson Platine profile, and it's working great.

Comparing the two Platine's, I do think they have improved the white point of the Legacy paper a bit from Cansons original version, which is worrisome. (OBAs). Ernst's spectra viz readings should answer this.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 12, 2016, 03:44:17 pm
Just go to Cansons website and download their Platine profile for your printer, it will work fine. I've been using my custom Canson Platine profile, and it's working great.

Comparing the two Platine's, I do think they have improved the white point of the Legacy paper a bit from Cansons original version, which is worrisome. (OBAs). Ernst's spectra viz readings should answer this.

The information on the sample pack clearly says that Epson Legacy Platine is "OBA free".
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 12, 2016, 04:11:49 pm
I order my paper in 24" and 44" rolls from Ink and media wholesalers. They have it in stock and I get it delivered next day .

Just the Legacy Baryta so far, was going to order some rolls of the Plantine to offer to my customers.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on March 12, 2016, 06:26:58 pm
The Platine has been improved long before they made the deal with Epson. The white point is indeed brighter, and done with pigments not oba. I love this paper. It is what I have always wanted. The surface texture is so perfect, it is much sharper than anything I've ever used, and it is fantastic for bw and color. They really took the finest texture of the best analogue media and really did it right. I haven't had any of the curling problems or head strikes either, even on the end of the rolls. The gloss differential on the Canon printers is also almost nonexistent, and better than the original Platine.

As for profiles, all I know is the Legacy Fiber, which is the Canson Rag Photographique, is the same Canson paper I've been using. I just printed reprints from two weeks ago and they were exactly the same. I have no reason to believe that the Etching paper, the Platine, and the Baryta are all the same exact papers as well. All of these are the best papers I've ever used. I suggest you guys who are not making your own profiles download the Canson profiles on their website for these papers which is the next best thing to making your own.

john



 ;)
The information on the sample pack clearly says that Epson Legacy Platine is "OBA free".
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 12, 2016, 07:48:07 pm
The information on the sample pack clearly says that Epson Legacy Platine is "OBA free".

Yes, well I hope that is indeed the case. We've seen papers claiming that, and turning out to have 'residual' OBAs in the base material.

Keen to know what the magic 'pigments'are that make the base whiter, but hope it's true. Best answer would be they have upped the quality of the base cotton, and that's what's lifted the white point.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 12, 2016, 08:04:36 pm
Yes, well I hope that is indeed the case. We've seen papers claiming that, and turning out to have 'residual' OBAs in the base material.


There are ways of finding that out (Ernst Dinkla Spectrum Viz, black light lamp), which would surface sooner or later if present. BTW, they do not make this claim for the Legacy Baryta, so I would assume at least a modest amount in the paper base; more than that - frankly, I wouldn't expect any info on the secret sauce from source about any of these papers.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on March 12, 2016, 08:21:34 pm
The Canson Baryta has always had oba. These four legacy papers are Canson, repackaged by Epson. The Rag Photographique and Platine are not the only media ever made that is significantly whiter without dyes. Breathing Color has done this for many years with their canvas products.

If you want to test that just put a sheet under a black light. If it glows it has oba.

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 12, 2016, 08:27:30 pm
The Canson Baryta has always had oba. These four legacy papers are Canson, repackaged by Epson. The Rag Photographique and Platine are not the only media ever made that is significantly whiter without dyes. Breathing Color has done this for many years with their canvas products.

If you want to test that just put a sheet under a black light. If it glows it has oba.

I expect Epson would take issue with you on the use of the term "repackaged", because it kinda contradicts what they say on the back of the sample packs about how these papers came about: "Working with famous European paper makers, art galleries and chemical engineers, Epson created the Legacy Paper line to be the finest papers available." This sounds to me like a lot more than repackaging, though clearly they didn't start from scratch. I'll be having more to say about similarities and differences in my review of these papers, now under preparation.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 13, 2016, 11:49:15 am
I expect Epson would take issue with you on the use of the term "repackaged", because it kinda contradicts what they say on the back of the sample packs about how these papers came about: "Working with famous European paper makers, art galleries and chemical engineers, Epson created the Legacy Paper line to be the finest papers available." This sounds to me like a lot more than repackaging

Gee Mark, surely you recognize marketing hubris (polite word, there are others..) when you see it!

look forward to reading your review, and to Ernst giving us Spectrum Viz analysis - that is the best detective tool out there for finding out who repackages other brands as theirs.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on March 13, 2016, 12:13:01 pm
Just spoke with Ernst yesterday. I'm sending him samples of the Canson papers that are being distributed by Epson. Yes indeed we will find out very soon. Like I said I just printed a body of 30x40s on the Legacy Fiber and it is exactly the same media I used two weeks ago, the Canson Rag Photograhique. Why would they call their Platine, Platine? Platine comes from a long tradition of Canson rag media used for Platinum printing and they developed the ink receptor coating for inkjet and did one hell of a job.

Epson can take credit for it all they want but I"m sure they just made the arrangement with Canson because Canson had just split with Arches and Epson didn't have any media that came remotely close to what they were doing.  Their "signature worthy" exhibition fibre is so loaded with cheap dyes that it a sad product and many peoples work will turn gray in a few years.  Personally I don't care what they call these papers  or how much they want to take credit for their development as long as they keep the damn prices down.

john




Gee Mark, surely you recognize marketing hubris (polite word, there are others..) when you see it!

look forward to reading your review, and to Ernst giving us Spectrum Viz analysis - that is the best detective tool out there for finding out who repackages other brands as theirs.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 13, 2016, 12:17:58 pm
Gee Mark, surely you recognize marketing hubris (polite word, there are others..) when you see it!

look forward to reading your review, and to Ernst giving us Spectrum Viz analysis - that is the best detective tool out there for finding out who repackages other brands as theirs.

Narikin,

Yes, I wasn't born yesterday; but there is a boundary between marketing hype and flat-out misrepresentation. Maybe I'm just blissfully naive (but I don't really thing so), however I expect Epson to know and respect that boundary. There is no mileage in it for them, for the paper mills and for any other companies with whom they may be collaborating on this project. Think of the industry relationships involved and whether Brand A would consider it commercially acceptable or even legal for a mill or a coating plant to share their recipe with newcomer Brand B, unless by prior agreement (which wouldn't make any sense outside of a merger or acquisition context). I think the difficulty some people may be having is that the technology behind these papers is held by only several mills and coating plants and has matured to the point that each time a new variant is cobbled together, the differences between them can be really subtle (to the point that profiles can be interchangeable without seeing any remarkable problems with the prints), so this could lead some to believe the recipes are simply copied or repackaged, which may in fact not be the case. Anyhow, this is somewhat tangential to the OP's question, so I shall leave it at that.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on March 13, 2016, 12:23:54 pm
It's not a project, it is a product, and it's Canson's product they are selling. And my feeling is, good for them! They have finally got in bed with the best and it should pay off in sales and make killer prints with their new inks, and they will last.





Narikin,

Yes, I wasn't born yesterday; but there is a boundary between marketing hype and flat-out misrepresentation. Maybe I'm just blissfully naive (but I don't really thing so), however I expect Epson to know and respect that boundary. There is no mileage in it for them, for the paper mills and for any other companies with whom they may be collaborating on this project. Think of the industry relationships involved and whether Brand A would consider it commercially acceptable or even legal for a mill or a coating plant to share their recipe with newcomer Brand B, unless by prior agreement (which wouldn't make any sense outside of a merger or acquisition context). I think the difficulty some people may be having is that the technology behind these papers is held by only several mills and coating plants and has matured to the point that each time a new variant is cobbled together, the differences between them can be really subtle (to the point that profiles can be interchangeable without seeing any remarkable problems with the prints), so this could lead some to believe the recipes are simply copied or repackaged, which may in fact not be the case. Anyhow, this is somewhat tangential to the OP's question, so I shall leave it at that.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 13, 2016, 12:25:07 pm
..............  Personally I don't care what they call these papers  or how much they want to take credit for their development as long as they keep the damn prices down.

john

You can check the B&H website and see. I think you are making a very good point about the pricing. In this context price could be one substantial determinant of what to choose between several offerings.

Oh - and good you made contact with Ernst. I think it would be great to get an early reading on reliable third-party evidence concerning OBAs.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Paul2660 on March 13, 2016, 12:27:21 pm
Pricing is about the same per foot if it is truly just re-badge Canon product.  Not sure why this move makes much sense for Epson, but I guess 2 sources for the same thing is not all bad.

Paul C
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on March 13, 2016, 01:25:28 pm
I don't want to bad mouth Epson. They are doing the right thing by promoting these papers with their inks. I imagine their engineers told them, look how great these papers are with our inks and see why everyone is using them. But then the sales dept gets involved and have to take credit for everything. Why couldn't they just do as Canon did with Hahnemuhle and say hey we are a a great printer company that is partnering with a great paper company who has been making great products since the Renaissance and leave it at that, rather than trying to pretend they invented the coatings, etc.

There is always chance that Epson is buying a big stock in Canson since Canson left Arches, or buying them out totally, which is always a possibility. Who knows.

You guys do know that Canson made some changes to their coating about a year or so ago as well. The Platine became brighter, and I  believe sharper as well, and they did some changes to the coating of rag photographique as well, and the dmax went down slightly. I don't know why that change occurred.  So when Ernst does white point evaluations he needs to compare Canson's more recent coatings with the new Legacy. The old Platine was fairly warm and flat and I didn't use much of it then.

john

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 13, 2016, 01:53:24 pm
I don't want to bad mouth Epson. They are doing the right thing by promoting these papers with their inks. I imagine their engineers told them, look how great these papers are with our inks and see why everyone is using them. But then the sales dept gets involved and have to take credit for everything. Why couldn't they just do as Canon did with Hahnemuhle and say hey we are a a great printer company that is partnering with a great paper company who has been making great products since the Renaissance and leave it at that, rather than trying to pretend they invented the coatings, etc.

There is always chance that Epson is buying a big stock in Canson since Canson left Arches, or buying them out totally, which is always a possibility. Who knows.


john

"Who knows" is exactly right - other than Epson. It's good you prefaced your commercial analysis with the words "I imagine" so we are better positioned to evaluate the reliability of those hypotheses. And I agree with you - if they were just repackaging/rebranding a Canson paper it would have been really easy and respectable for them just to say so. Which leads me to believe therefore that maybe Epson is telling the truth and the suspicions are misplaced. Save for the appearance of seriously reliable alternative information I shall take Epson at their word and focus my attention more productively on what the papers do. I think we all agree that is the important bottom line.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on March 13, 2016, 02:33:52 pm
Yes, and in the end, they are Canson media, possibly with some VERY subtle tweaking, but probably not even that. You just don't pull papers like that out of your hat overnight. It's not that complicated, Canson has the world class media and Epson has the world class distribution network. It's a good match.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 13, 2016, 03:16:21 pm
If you search Epson Legacy on YouTube there is an interview with the president in charge of this paper, and he says how long and hard he searched throughout Europe to find a paper mill to make these papers. He he clearly states he spent 6 month.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 13, 2016, 03:31:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n51UlZ7CEYo&sns=em
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 13, 2016, 03:55:30 pm
It's not a project, it is a product, and it's Canson's product they are selling. And my feeling is, good for them! They have finally got in bed with the best and it should pay off in sales and make killer prints with their new inks, and they will last.

Oh, yes I am very happy to see it live on as Epson 'Legacy Platine' too. Was worried when I heard of Canson being in trouble /for sale - so it's great they have a (the?) major brand distributor now. It is a truly great paper, and good to know it will live on.

Can't think why they don't have the 60" roll size too though. Canson make that, so it's a surprise not to see it in the Epson line too.

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: rdonson on March 13, 2016, 06:39:04 pm
Yes, and in the end, they are Canson media, possibly with some VERY subtle tweaking, but probably not even that. You just don't pull papers like that out of your hat overnight. It's not that complicated, Canson has the world class media and Epson has the world class distribution network. It's a good match.

There sure is a price difference between Epson Legacy papers and the equivalent Canson papers if they are indeed the same.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 14, 2016, 12:42:14 pm
There sure is a price difference between Epson Legacy papers and the equivalent Canson papers if they are indeed the same.

You mean in which way?

For me, after the usual back and forth haggle*, Canson rolls are cheaper, but currently with the rebates, Epson is about 10% cheaper, assuming you are ok with buying 3 rolls at a time. My sense is we are paying too much for the Epson Legacy material right now, and it will drop down in price per roll, to below Canson, once the 3 for 2 offer expires.

(* fed up with the haggling nonsense. Wish someone just had prices that were clearly set at the bottom rung, and that was that... assuming shipping and returns policy is similar, etc)
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: rdonson on March 14, 2016, 05:24:22 pm
Sorry, I was comparing prices of various sheet sizes between the two on B&H.  Canson came out quite a bit less expensive.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: stockjock on March 16, 2016, 03:14:38 am
Sorry, I was comparing prices of various sheet sizes between the two on B&H.  Canson came out quite a bit less expensive.

Right at the moment Shades of Paper and Atlex have significantly lower prices on the Legacy papers than B&H or Adorama.  With the rebates the Legacy Platine and Fibre Rag are quite a bit cheaper than the Canson equivalents.  I would suggest stocking up.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 16, 2016, 03:31:51 am
Ink and media wholesalers had the best price on my Legacy Baryta at 44" $289 and 24" $155. B&H has the 44" roll for $349 so that is a big savings. Also they don't charge shipping. I'm in Cali and they are im Arizona so no tax for me.

I'm going to order some Platine, before the Epson rebate is over.
.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 16, 2016, 10:37:33 am
Right at the moment Shades of Paper and Atlex have significantly lower prices on the Legacy papers than B&H or Adorama.  With the rebates the Legacy Platine and Fibre Rag are quite a bit cheaper than the Canson equivalents.  I would suggest stocking up.

Rolls of 44" Legacy Platine work out about $225 each after you buy 3, and jump through all the rebate hoops correctly to get your refund.
Rolls of 44" Canson Platine can be had for around $270 each. (ymmv)

So it's a saving of $45 per roll, a net 17% discount. Worth having, but not huge. This assumes you want/need 3 rolls, pay no sales tax (you won't get that back on 3rd roll) and the rebate process goes smoothly.

I'm going to buy some, but not go crazy. The offer isn't that incredible, and in past offers, I've bought too many rolls that I never really needed, and turned out to be a waste of money. So... easy does it!
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: stockjock on March 16, 2016, 03:14:41 pm
Ink and media wholesalers had the best price on my Legacy Baryta at 44" $289 and 24" $155. B&H has the 44" roll for $349 so that is a big savings. Also they don't charge shipping. I'm in Cali and they are im Arizona so no tax for me.

I'm going to order some Platine, before the Epson rebate is over.
.

They have some pretty spectacular pricing and they say they are an " Epson Authorized Professional Imaging Reseller".  Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 16, 2016, 05:00:05 pm
I'm not at all affiliated with ink and media wholesalers. Just been ordering from them for awhile. My secret is I check the web for the lowest price, even if they charge shipping. Contact their CS and they always match the price, again for me no shipping or tax. I almost always get my order next day.

I believe all the big boys just drop ship from Epson's regional warehouses.

I'm debating if I should get the Platine in 44" and 24". How popular is that with customers?

I got the Baryta because I had several people ask for it before. My selection is limited.

Max
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 17, 2016, 11:04:59 am
I'm not at all affiliated with ink and media wholesalers. Just been ordering from them for awhile. My secret is I check the web for the lowest price, even if they charge shipping. Contact their CS and they always match the price, again for me no shipping or tax. I almost always get my order next day.

Good to know about this company - htey are indeed cheaper than the regular people SoP, Atlex etc. seems I overpaid. Last time I use any of them.

through your supplier you can get 44" Legacy Platine rolls for under $200 after rebates.

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 17, 2016, 08:33:20 pm
I just ordered some Legacy Platine from ink and media. One other tip, is you get essentially 1% back in points. I had 750 points applied to my order today and got an additional $7.50 off. A little more savings.

Hopefully I get my Platine delivery tomorrow:-)
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: eleanorbrown on March 21, 2016, 03:50:26 pm
Well as a very long time Epson and Canson user I of course ordered the Legacy sample pack of new papers.  I have just finished testing the Epson Legacy Platine vs Canson Platine and Legacy Baryta vs Canson Baryta on my Epson 7900 printer.   This is a joke.....First Canson and Legacy profiles are interchangeable.....papers are the same (I even looked at the surfaces under an 8X loupe).  Same everything....exact same print out under careful examination.  Possibly Epson made some changes that were so minute that they could make the new claim of "all new papers, etc etc etc etc....Ridiculous.  Well the good news is that I can keep using my supply of these Canson papers and not have to purchase the new legacy papers.  I still love the Epson Exhibition Fiber so will continue to use that also.  I am getting ready to switch to matte black ink and do comparison of Legacy  Fiber vs Canson Rag Photographique.  (I have a feeling I will end up staying with the lovely Epson Hot Press papers and the Canson Rag.  Will also compare the Legacy Etching against  equivalent papers that I already have in stock (Hahnemuhle, Museo, etc).  More Later.  Would love to hear the experience others are having with these new papers.  Thanks! Eleanor

PS...just finished testing the Legacy Matte papers against their counter parts.  Only paper I can recommend over other papers is the Legacy Etching.  It is very lovely with a really wonderful surface texture....very elegant....I would use this over Epson Cold Press, Hahnemuhle Museum Etching and Museo II without hesitation. 

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Jager on March 21, 2016, 05:36:01 pm
Thanks for your report, Eleanor.  Your observations are confirming what many of us have suspected - that the "new" Epson Legacy papers are just a re-branding of the longstanding Canson counterparts.  I'm guessing the Epson Legacy Etching is actually Canson's Edition Etching Rag, in a new box.

Lots of marketing hyperbole, in other words.

Which is fine.  I'm actually quite a fan of Epson's Signature line of papers.  It's high OBA content notwithstanding, I very much like Exhibition Fiber.  And the four Hot and Cold Press papers are my go-to for matte presentations.  I also use Canson's Baryta Photographique, Platine Fibre Rag, and Edition Etching Rag quite a lot.  I'm not at all disappointed that they are available under the Epson label, particular if the rumors of Canson's financial difficulties are true.  I would deeply hate to lose Platine Fibre Rag, a truly special paper.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: eleanorbrown on March 21, 2016, 05:52:04 pm
Thanks for the info on this to confirm what I'm seeing.  I have not tried the Canson Etching Rag so you are right on this also.  Actually what I'm not fine with is that Epson is not being truthful with their customers for corporate marketing and $$ purposes/sales, etc etc.  This ticks me off royally.  They just need to be honest on this one.  Thanks again, Eleanor

Thanks for your report, Eleanor.  Your observations are confirming what many of us have suspected - that the "new" Epson Legacy papers are just a re-branding of the longstanding Canson counterparts.  I'm guessing the Epson Legacy Etching is actually Canson's Edition Etching Rag, in a new box.

Lots of marketing hyperbole, in other words.

Which is fine.  I'm actually quite a fan of Epson's Signature line of papers.  It's high OBA content notwithstanding, I very much like Exhibition Fiber.  And the four Hot and Cold Press papers are my go-to for matte presentations.  I also use Canson's Baryta Photographique, Platine Fibre Rag, and Edition Etching Rag quite a lot.  I'm not at all disappointed that they are available under the Epson label, particular if the rumors of Canson's financial difficulties are true.  I would deeply hate to lose Platine Fibre Rag, a truly special paper.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 22, 2016, 02:11:16 pm
My initial results printing a customer's order on both the Legacy Baryta and Platine using Canson profiles on my 9890 were great!

Granted these were not full color range, mainly seascapes. But both are very similar papers. Platine a bit whiter with a shimmery surface, Baryta less shimmery and a more yellow paper base. Easily interchangeable. Hard to distinguish side by side.

The Baryta has the old chemical darkroom smell. Platine no smell.

I like both papers alot.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: narikin on March 28, 2016, 10:34:40 am
I have a question about the 'Epson Legacy Paper Rebate' "Buy 3 for cost of 2" offer.

It says maximum of "Nine (9) claims per customer"

Question: is each box/roll a 'claim', or is each rebate a claim? In other words if you buy 3 boxes of Legacy Baryta paper, and apply for a rebate for one, is that 1 claim or 3 claims? Can you buy a maximum of 9 boxes, or... 9x3 = 27 boxes?

Poorly worded by Epson. I would have guessed each rebate is a 1 claim, and you could buy a maximum of 27 boxes and get 9 rebates, but some people are saying otherwise.  Anyone know definitively?


 
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on March 28, 2016, 11:23:45 am
Epson rebates are pritty fast. They do this type of rebate often. You can claim 9 rebates
 Receive a rebate check for 9 rolls. 9 separate rebates. Not 3.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on March 28, 2016, 04:53:28 pm
I am printing a show right now on the Epson Legacy Platine. I had proofed all the work on the Canson Platine using the same profile and I don't see any difference on the Canon 8300.

john




My initial results printing a customer's order on both the Legacy Baryta and Platine using Canson profiles on my 9890 were great!

Granted these were not full color range, mainly seascapes. But both are very similar papers. Platine a bit whiter with a shimmery surface, Baryta less shimmery and a more yellow paper base. Easily interchangeable. Hard to distinguish side by side.

The Baryta has the old chemical darkroom smell. Platine no smell.

I like both papers alot.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: eleanorbrown on April 02, 2016, 02:05:08 pm
As I mentioned previously, I don't see any difference in the new Legacy papers and their Canson counterparts in comparative testing on my Epson 7900 printer.  I have scanned through the new LL videos on the papers and did not see any comparisons of the Legacy to the Canson.  However I may have missed it as I really need to sit and look at the videos  in their entirety when I have more time.  I'm wondering if Epson (and I'm a big fan of Epson....don't get me wrong) has been leading their customers on for months now with exaggerated information about the "all new" papers to make a profit.  They may have made changes so tiny as to be really not noticeable so they can make all the claims they have made.  Corporate style.  Anyway I wish someone "in the know and not connected with Epson"  would be honest about exactly what, if any, changes were made in the new papers.  (I have a large supply of Canson Baryta and Platine and the Infinity Rag.  )   I am also a fan of the Epson Exhibition Fiber...a wonderful paper..... Thanks very very much.  Eleanor

I am printing a show right now on the Epson Legacy Platine. I had proofed all the work on the Canson Platine using the same profile and I don't see any difference on the Canon 8300.

john
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: rdonson on April 02, 2016, 04:47:41 pm
In one online interview (not on LuLa) an Epson rep at a trade show said that the Legacy papers had a coating optimized for the new Epson UltraChrome HD inkset.  How much of a difference that optimization makes is a mystery at this point.  Only someone with a P800 or that class printer and printing on both Epson Legacy papers and their Canson equivalents would be able to tell.  I suspect it would also take a spectro and a critical eye but who knows?
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Wayne Fox on April 03, 2016, 01:20:52 am
In one online interview (not on LuLa) an Epson rep at a trade show said that the Legacy papers had a coating optimized for the new Epson UltraChrome HD inkset.  How much of a difference that optimization makes is a mystery at this point.  Only someone with a P800 or that class printer and printing on both Epson Legacy papers and their Canson equivalents would be able to tell.  I suspect it would also take a spectro and a critical eye but who knows?
interesting thought.  I recently had a set of prints to print on 17x22" Exhibition Fiber.  The print looked fine on my 9900, but there some serious gloss differential problems when I printed on my p9000. I struggled with it for a while, finally calling Epson for support.  The box of EEF was probably 18 months old, but was stored in it's original bag.  I brought a new box of EEF home, and was surprised to find no gloss differential at all.

I also noticed a print from my 9900 on the old EEF vs a print from my p9000 on the new exhibition fibers was actually quite a bit different. The older printer/paper was definitely "glossier", the new paper had a little more what I guess I would call semi matte sheen to it.

It appears there was a slight change in  the coating of EEF in the past 18 months or so.  Could be the same thing they are doing to the new papers.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on April 03, 2016, 09:02:05 am
Yea, yea, yea. It's Canson Platine and Rag Photographique. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Just print on it.

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Jeff Magidson on April 03, 2016, 04:49:19 pm
It's a bit disingenuous that this was not mentioned in the LuLa video "print discussion". I guess it's to be expected wen you have Dan who is employed by Epson and Jeff who has had business relationships with Epson, and Kevin who is an employee of LuLa who has had Epson as an advertiser.

Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate this website, but a reputable website has to prioritize and advocate for its readers/viewers over corporate interests if it wants to  maintain credibility.       
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Jager on April 04, 2016, 12:07:04 pm
It's a bit disingenuous that this was not mentioned in the LuLa video "print discussion". I guess it's to be expected wen you have Dan who is employed by Epson and Jeff who has had business relationships with Epson, and Kevin who is an employee of LuLa who has had Epson as an advertiser.

Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate this website, but a reputable website has to prioritize and advocate for its readers/viewers over corporate interests if it wants to  maintain credibility.       

I agree.

I'm a big fan of Epson - I think they've done far more to advance photographic inkjet printing than anyone else.  And I've long respected the LuLa crew - I've got both of Jeff's books, a number of Michael's videos, and both Kevin and Dano look like fine fellows to hang out with.  And the video itself was well done, with an apt discussion on the philosophy of printing and the presentation of a number of nice prints.

But the entire discussion in the video clearly suggests that the Legacy papers are new designs - the phrase "... were designed" was even used a couple times - when clearly they are not. 

I'm more bemused than anything else by marketing hyperbole.  I fully expect Epson to tout these papers to the moon.  That's Dano's job.

I'm much more disappointed that Kevin and Jeff got on that train without so much as a by-your-leave regarding the Canson originals.

That turned it into little more than an infomercial.


Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on April 04, 2016, 06:14:40 pm
It's all so freaking boring. This Epson Master Printers group or whatever they want to call it these days. It always the same lame pr bs.

Epson engineers have alway been at the very top of the industry, and their sales guys are always full of it. Reminds me of Kodak in the 80s.

Canon did a deal with Crane for their Polished Rag, and they called it Polished Rag by Crane and told everyone it was essentially the same thing as Crane Silver Rag. Hp did the same thing with Hahnemuhle and called theirs Smooth Fine Art by Hahnemuhle, and HP told us it was the same as Hahnemuhle Photo Rag only they got Hah. to make it a little thinner for their printers.

But Epson, they always gotta say they created everything, when none of their papers are created by them. Whatever.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Christopher on April 04, 2016, 06:23:30 pm
And what's up with the crap one can't even get them in Europe to test.


Christopher Hauser
ch@chauser.eu
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Ernst Dinkla on April 05, 2016, 03:25:27 am
No samples yet to confirm the very likely conclusions in this thread with spectral plots. I have a question though; Is the latest version of the Platine (of whatever distribution brand) behaving equal in cracking/crumbling when cut  compared to the first Canson version? I have phrased this question as neutral as possible.


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
January 2016 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: spinellino on April 05, 2016, 06:19:55 am
I'm 99% sure that neither Canson nor Epson are the manufacturers of those papers: they are made by Felix Schoeller.
They also sell some of their products to Hahnemuhle (The Photo Silk Baryta is basically the same as the Canson Baryta).

Felix Schoeller papers come in a white box and they are not easy to find, but they are usually cheaper than re branded versions:
25 sheets, Baryta, A3+ (13*19)
Canson: 90€
FS: 58€
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Ernst Dinkla on April 05, 2016, 03:59:48 pm
I'm 99% sure that neither Canson nor Epson are the manufacturers of those papers: they are made by Felix Schoeller.
They also sell some of their products to Hahnemuhle (The Photo Silk Baryta is basically the same as the Canson Baryta).

Felix Schoeller papers come in a white box and they are not easy to find, but they are usually cheaper than re branded versions:
25 sheets, Baryta, A3+ (13*19)
Canson: 90€
FS: 58€

That has been mentioned before:

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=108556.msg894764#msg894764

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
January 2016 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: dchew on April 06, 2016, 02:30:25 pm
FYI for anyone taking advantage of the Epson "buy three get one free" rebate. I just purchased three rolls of Legacy Baryta. I received three rolls in boxes labeled "Legacy Baryta", but inside were two rolls of Legacy Fibre and one roll of Legacy Platine.

So if you are buying multiple rolls, when you receive them make sure you open all the boxes and check that the paper is correct. You would hate to have a surprise months down the road.

Dave

Note: I too am printing using the Canson Platine profile (from ImagePrint). Seems to be successful.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on April 07, 2016, 08:37:41 pm
Yea, when a company like Hahnemuhle or Canson come up with a coating formula and patent it, they often outsource the actual production to other factories. For a time Hahnemuhle was having some photorag made in France and some in Germany and although they were very similar, the actual gray print color for black and white prints was different from different batches. I found that out when I was in the middle of producing a limited edition portfolio of hundreds of prints and I had to send some paper rolls back and switch to the original batch numbers. The talk then was that the water in the factories was different and that little element changed print color of the neutral inks. If you think about it, it's amazing that the can keep the coatings as consistent from year to year as they do. That can't be easy.

It doesn't seem like Epson is going to help us any with the prices on this stuff. Besides their introductory multi roll offer, I don't see any savings going on.

john



That has been mentioned before:

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=108556.msg894764#msg894764

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
January 2016 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Jeff Magidson on April 07, 2016, 10:45:53 pm

It doesn't seem like Epson is going to help us any with the prices on this stuff. Besides their introductory multi roll offer, I don't see any savings going on.

john

Savings?? Currently if you look at the prices at B&H, Epson Legacy is about 35%-45% more than the Canson counterparts.

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on April 07, 2016, 11:21:12 pm
That's totally insane. If Canson totally sells out to them then we're screwed. (Actually we'll go back to Hahnemuhle completely.)
It's a funny word, Legacy. Who's legacy, the company that has made fine printmaking papers since the Renaissance, or Seiko?





Savings?? Currently if you look at the prices at B&H, Epson Legacy is about 35%-45% more than the Canson counterparts.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: dchew on April 08, 2016, 06:02:57 am
Savings?? Currently if you look at the prices at B&H, Epson Legacy is about 35%-45% more than the Canson counterparts.

That's weird. Shades of Paper has them almost exactly the same price.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: disneytoy on April 09, 2016, 09:29:31 pm
Problem,

I'm using the Canson Baryta profiles. They say to use Epson OremiumLuster as paper type n my 9890. I am having trouble cutting the paper.

I had the cutter fail on a 44" print. Not much fun to hand cut that size.

Since the luster soldier s a thinner paper than the Baryta, are there any settings on the printer or not n the driver to help cut the paper?

Thanks

Max
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Dan Wells on April 10, 2016, 03:43:53 pm
In the video on the first page of the thread, the Epson rep states that the fibre paper actually uses photo black ink... I'd never heard of that before, and the profile on Epson's web site is clearly marked for the expected matte black... Anyone heard of using the fibre as a PK paper?
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: stockjock on April 11, 2016, 02:01:37 am
FYI for anyone taking advantage of the Epson "buy three get one free" rebate. I just purchased three rolls of Legacy Baryta. I received three rolls in boxes labeled "Legacy Baryta", but inside were two rolls of Legacy Fibre and one roll of Legacy Platine.

So if you are buying multiple rolls, when you receive them make sure you open all the boxes and check that the paper is correct. You would hate to have a surprise months down the road.

Dave

Note: I too am printing using the Canson Platine profile (from ImagePrint). Seems to be successful.

I wasn't planning on printing on the rolls of Legacy Fibre and Legacy Platine that I purchased as part of the rebate anytime soon since I have so much Canson paper to use up, but based on your post I opened one of the boxes of Legacy Fibre and I didn't see anything on the roll that indicated what sort of paper it was.  Other than unwrapping it and looking at the surface how did you discover which roll was what kind of paper?
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: dchew on April 11, 2016, 07:06:29 am
I wasn't planning on printing on the rolls of Legacy Fibre and Legacy Platine that I purchased as part of the rebate anytime soon since I have so much Canson paper to use up, but based on your post I opened one of the boxes of Legacy Fibre and I didn't see anything on the roll that indicated what sort of paper it was.  Other than unwrapping it and looking at the surface how did you discover which roll was what kind of paper?

I had to guess from the surface. I ordered three boxes of Baryta so the two that were matte were obviously wrong. Shades of Paper asked for the lot numbers and confirmed those were Fibre. The Platine was a bit less obvious. I had some Canson Baryta, and the back of the Epson paper wasn't anything like the CIBP. It reminded me of Canson Platine, although I didn't have any to directly compare. Platine has a better feel on the back because of the cotton base, and when you fold it Platine kind of crumbles and tears.

If yours are all matte and smooth, you should be fine. I haven't seen Etching but I bet it is a bit like the difference between Hot Press and Cold Press. My guess it was only Baryta that got messed up at the warehouse or factory. The lot numbers on the box matched the lot numbers inside the roll tube, so somehow they put Baryta labels on other products. My half-baked theory is the different papers are made in different places but they all use the same box and come to a central place on pallets. It is that warehouse that adds the labels where the problem occurred. But I'm just guessing.

Dave

Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: stockjock on April 11, 2016, 12:11:03 pm
I had to guess from the surface. I ordered three boxes of Baryta so the two that were matte were obviously wrong. Shades of Paper asked for the lot numbers and confirmed those were Fibre. The Platine was a bit less obvious. I had some Canson Baryta, and the back of the Epson paper wasn't anything like the CIBP. It reminded me of Canson Platine, although I didn't have any to directly compare. Platine has a better feel on the back because of the cotton base, and when you fold it Platine kind of crumbles and tears.

If yours are all matte and smooth, you should be fine. I haven't seen Etching but I bet it is a bit like the difference between Hot Press and Cold Press. My guess it was only Baryta that got messed up at the warehouse or factory. The lot numbers on the box matched the lot numbers inside the roll tube, so somehow they put Baryta labels on other products. My half-baked theory is the different papers are made in different places but they all use the same box and come to a central place on pallets. It is that warehouse that adds the labels where the problem occurred. But I'm just guessing.

Dave

Thanks for the clarification.  If anybody else runs into the same problem with Legacy Platine or Fibre I hope they will post.  Since I didn't order the Legacy Baryta I think I am going to wait for other posters to identify a problem with those products too before opening and unwrapping all 6 rolls.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: RPark on April 14, 2016, 09:25:23 pm
When I heard about the Legacy papers, my first thought, in consideration of the platine and baryta names, was to wonder in a blog post if Canson was indeed the mysterious "European" mill.

Having begun to print one of my portfolios on Canson Platine, which I love, I have yet to make my own comparisons but look forward to doing so.

Interesting to read the opinions here.

P.S. Newby post #2
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on April 15, 2016, 09:58:04 am
The mysterious European mill is Felix Schoeller. Ernst mentioned that a long time ago in regard to Canson.

They say it right here on their website in regard to Canson's coatings. The Platine paper base has been made for a long time by Canson for use in high-end Platinum printing. We used to use it and it was the best I ever tried by far. When we compared it to Arches, BFK, and others there was no comparison with Platinum. I don't know who sized that stuff, probably Schoeller.

 https://www.felix-schoeller.com/en_en/service/news/news-detail.html?news_id=183&cHash=1f977649db74bc4703920d46ab216e98

I just printed two shows of 30x40 color prints on the "Legacy" Platine this week and I used a box of 8.5x11  Canson Platine to proof everything with. Same icc. No Problem.

If Epson sells theirs for less I'll buy it in the future. If they don't, I won't.

John





When I heard about the Legacy papers, my first thought, in consideration of the platine and baryta names, was to wonder in a blog post if Canson was indeed the mysterious "European" mill.

Having begun to print one of my portfolios on Canson Platine, which I love, I have yet to make my own comparisons but look forward to doing so.

Interesting to read the opinions here.

P.S. Newby post #2
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: RPark on April 15, 2016, 12:36:34 pm
Thanks for the info, John. My thoughts exactly. To your eye, is there any apparent difference -- in surface and tone -- between the Canson Platine and "Legacy" platine?



If Epson sells theirs for less I'll buy it in the future. If they don't, I won't.

John
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: rdonson on April 15, 2016, 02:46:29 pm
I also wonder if the differences might only become noticeable if using the latest Epson inkset.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on April 15, 2016, 03:13:40 pm

Yea, that is quite possible. Some of the media may or may not have a better dmax with Epson inks. I know when Canson did change their coating sometime back, over a  year ago, I measured a drop in dmax with my K7 inks and the HP inks on the Rag Photographique, but not with the Canon Lucia inks.

I'm not seeing any difference with the current rolls and sheets of Canson Platine and Rag Photographique. I haven't tried any of the other Legacy papers like the Etching and Baryta. The Canson Etching has always had the same coating as the Rag Photographique but the Canson Baryta is very similar if not identical to a lot of other alpha cellulose baryta brands out there.

john



I also wonder if the differences might only become noticeable if using the latest Epson inkset.
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Snapshot on May 09, 2016, 03:42:05 pm
Interesting. Could you please share where that Felix Schoeller paper can be found for that price? Thanks.

Kind regards,
Selmar


I'm 99% sure that neither Canson nor Epson are the manufacturers of those papers: they are made by Felix Schoeller.
They also sell some of their products to Hahnemuhle (The Photo Silk Baryta is basically the same as the Canson Baryta).

Felix Schoeller papers come in a white box and they are not easy to find, but they are usually cheaper than re branded versions:
25 sheets, Baryta, A3+ (13*19)
Canson: 90€
FS: 58€
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: deanwork on May 09, 2016, 06:17:48 pm
They have sheets and rolls of various sizes at Freestyle. This 44" roll is well over a hundred dollars cheaper than the Canson or Epson versions.

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/385441-Arista-II-Legacy-Series-Baryta-Photo-310gsm-Inkjet-Paper-44-in.-x-50

'''''''''actually just checked and it is over a hunderd dollars cheaper than the new Legacy Baryta but the Canson has been reduced to $265.00, at least through Shades of Paper, where I buy all my media.

John




Interesting. Could you please share where that Felix Schoeller paper can be found for that price? Thanks.

Kind regards,
Selmar
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: LGeb on May 10, 2016, 07:37:30 am
Freestyle is also having a 10% off baryta sale (https://vr2.verticalresponse.com/emails/17592186091032?social_account_id=349078044297&sk=a0awB2JgQjBKqc_xVAO8F5Ifip9pfovv93mwJDU-gFWQ=/aHR0cDovL3ZyMi52ZXJ0aWNhbHJlc3BvbnNlLmNvbS9lbWFpbHMvMTc1OTIxODYwOTEwMzI_c29jaWFsX2FjY291bnRfaWQ9MzQ5MDc4MDQ0Mjk3/NkJAci1d5eXOnEZGIY1Ykg==) this month, so prices are even better.

Has anyone tried the Arista-II Legacy Series Baryta Photo 310gsm Inkjet Paper? Does it behave like the Felix Schoeller papers?
Title: Re: Canson Platine vs Epson Legacy Platine - profiles interchangeable?
Post by: Snapshot on May 10, 2016, 04:28:47 pm
Thanks for the info!

Kind regards,
Selmar

They have sheets and rolls of various sizes at Freestyle. This 44" roll is well over a hundred dollars cheaper than the Canson or Epson versions.

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/385441-Arista-II-Legacy-Series-Baryta-Photo-310gsm-Inkjet-Paper-44-in.-x-50

'''''''''actually just checked and it is over a hunderd dollars cheaper than the new Legacy Baryta but the Canson has been reduced to $265.00, at least through Shades of Paper, where I buy all my media.

John