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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Colour Management => Topic started by: galacticgarry on January 28, 2016, 07:23:29 pm
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I just purchased a 27" 5k Retina Mac.
What calibration device would you all recommend to calibrate the 5K monitor?
Garry Stasiuk
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What calibration device would you all recommend to calibrate the 5K monitor?
X-rite i1Display Pro
http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-EOSDIS3-i1Display-Pro-Calibration/dp/B0055MBQOW
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Yes, definitely the X-Rite i1Display Pro.
I don't use the bundled software, though. I find DispcalGUI much much better.
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I don't use the bundled software, though. I find DispcalGUI much much better.
Yeah, the software is OK, doesn't suck, but one can do better. But the hardware is very, very good.
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Is it much better than than the Spyder hardware? If so, what's better about it?
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Spyder does more often (not always!) get complaints about color casts, and purplish low ends. Of course the internet is often more used when you are not satisfied though, but It is not that often I read something good, or even positive about the spyder.
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What software would you recommend with the X-Rite i1 Display Pro?
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What software would you recommend with the X-Rite i1 Display Pro?
For me? SpectraView with my PA272W.
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What software would you recommend with the X-Rite i1 Display Pro?
Just to clarify, the 'Spectraview' software that Andrew mentioned ONLY works w/ NEC Spectraview monitors (his PA272W). It won't work at all w/ a Retina.
Your choices are i1Profiler (comes w/ unit, good enough and easy enough), dispcalGUI (a GUI frontend to the Argyll suite, better but a zillion knobs to tweak and can take hours) or perhaps BasICColor Display (not free).
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Just to clarify, the 'Spectraview' software that Andrew mentioned ONLY works w/ NEC Spectraview monitors (his PA272W). It won't work at all w/ a Retina.
Agreed. One or two manufacturers supply their own calibration software that works typically with the i1 Display Pro (an maybe other hardware). This includes NEC and Eizo. Dell provide their own versions of xrite software for some of their monitors.
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Would the X-Rite i1 Display Pro work better with basICColor Display(more accurate), then the X-Rite DTP94 for a wide gamut monitor? I am trying to get up to speed before I buy a new moniotr. At this time I am using the HP LP2474w(had it for a long time, would like something new and a little better).
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Doesn't i1profiler do a hardware calibration with macs? I don't think that's supported with dispcalgui or basiccolor (which is cost extra and wont do anything i1profiler wont do)
Btw anyone know how many posts I have need to post before the incredibly ridiculous 8-way capthcha is going away? I mean, really? 8 way captcha? :)
Oh, and to the posters before me: I have access to 2 DTP94. I can't really recommend them for either normal and espescially not wide gamut display. Maybe they have drifted a bit, they are very old. If you use dispcalgui, then you can profile them to a spectro though. The readings may be inaccurate, but they are consistent. Probably because they are in fact very good meters with glass filters. But they were made in an era when there only existed oldschool LCD and CRT display.
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Btw anyone know how many posts I have need to post before the incredibly ridiculous 8-way capthcha is going away? I mean, really? 8 way captcha? :)
10.
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Doesn't i1profiler do a hardware calibration with macs?
Yes indeed for some units that are supported (assuming you're talking about actual hardware communications). It's not bad. It's not the best but since it ships with this fine hardware, by all means do try it before spending more money.
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Yeah, mostly on iMacs and the laptops.
I don't think it's a full hardware calibration, but contrast, brightness (funny how brightness really means blacklevel other way with video displays, whereas contrast means brightness, they "contrast" as used in computer displays have no equivalent in video displays), colortemps etc. And I don't suppose it's able to move the primaries around and their luminance levels. It still needs to do a software LUT AFAIK. I'm not very familiar with macs though, so please do correct me.
Some Windows machines also use hardware when adjusting the RGB controls, but you really have no way of knowing if it's done in hardware or software. In these cases I usually just go for software. There's always some higher dE at the lowest and highest end, but that's expected.
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Wow! incredible and very interesting response !
Is there any one that actually uses the Spyder 5? and has comments? How about the Color Munki Display device? anyone out there us it?
Thank you Andrew Rodney http://digitaldog.net/ terrific website! and information!
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How about the Color Munki Display device? anyone out there us it?
The Colormunki Display is the same device as the i1 Display Pro - identical functionality and accuracy - but slugged to make it slower. That's so they can position the i1 Display Pro as a more expensive product. It comes with reduced funtionality software, but both units run with the Argyll software and Dispcal GUI.
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Is there any one that actually uses the Spyder 5? and has comments? How about the Color Munki Display device? anyone out there us it?
Thank you Andrew Rodney http://digitaldog.net/ terrific website! and information!
Here's my test result. I tested 2 Spyder5 units on NEC PA242W (GBr LED backlight) using JETI Specbos 1211 as a source of reference measurement. Both Spyders were in the forest, and the inter instrumental agreement was poor:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19059944/i1d3vsS52.png)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19059944/i1d3vsS5.png)
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I have a new Spyder, the cheap version because I hear the hardware is the same. I was thinking I'd just try that OS software to run it. I've only just set it up with the included limited software so I don't have much use of it to report on.
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Is there any one that actually uses the Spyder 5?
Yes, the Spyder 5 Express for about $100, same hardware as the Elite that costs more than twice as much because of more advanced software features. Like other posters above I use it with open source Dispcalgui which is better and less intrusive than the advanced bundled software of the Elite (a bit more fiddly though). Has been doing a great job, getting deltaEs of just a few tenths throughout the range.
Jack
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Dell and X-Rite provide the capability to calibrate the LUT in Dell's wide gamut monitors using the i1Display Pro on both Windows and Mac with the added benefit that Win can be set to provide 10 bit.
When a Mac will have 10 bit is unknown to me.
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When a Mac will have 10 bit is unknown to me.
It (presumably) does now. At least using the time tested gradient test file, the latest version of OS X and Photoshop CC, no visible banding on-screen. But it might be some dithering, don't know. The bottom line is, what we're supposed to 'see' from a 10-bit video path is now seen in Photoshop CC and OS X.
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It (presumably) does now. At least using the time tested gradient test file, the latest version of OS X and Photoshop CC, no visible banding on-screen. But it might be some dithering, don't know. The bottom line is, what we're supposed to 'see' from a 10-bit video path is now seen in Photoshop CC and OS X.
10 bit display mode now works on Win 10 too in PS CC on a CG318. Could be some recent update fixed it because it wasn't working not that long ago.
Don't think it's dithering since if I just move the 10 bit PS gradient over to the CG301W, an 8 bit interface but with internal LUTs, I see the usual banding. At least on Win 10. Of course the CG318 might be dithering inside the display. There might be a way to tell by a macro photo of the pixels but I'm not going to bother.
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It (presumably) does now. At least using the time tested gradient test file, the latest version of OS X and Photoshop CC, no visible banding on-screen. But it might be some dithering, don't know. The bottom line is, what we're supposed to 'see' from a 10-bit video path is now seen in Photoshop CC and OS X.
is this the same andrew from Santa Fe?
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- Calibrate using the built-in Mac system;
- Set screen brightness a couple of notches below max and leave it there (disable any auto-brightness features);
- Run a test strip using a known photo and print.
- Compare and note how they are different.
I realize this is counter-cultural on this forum, but knowing how your equipment and materials interact without relying on techno-fixes, might just make you more aware of what's really going on.
As I have said elsewhere, obsessing on colour matching is helpful if you are in product photography that demands exact colour reproduction. But for many photographers, especially the casual printers, but also those who print regularly and sell, it's good to be close and true to what you want as a photographer but over-obsessing on colour matching can be a waste of time when your client hangs your photo in their home or office with completely different lighting and wall colours.
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As I have said elsewhere, obsessing on colour matching is helpful if you are in product photography that demands exact colour reproduction.
One person's obsession is another person simply striving for WYSIWYG, the ability to make a print with the least number of surprises, waste of ink, paper and time.
As for 'but for many photographers..." I'll let each speak for themselves.