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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Capture One Q&A => Topic started by: David Grover / Capture One on November 30, 2015, 07:53:24 am
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Dear Forum,
Today we have just launched the latest edition of Capture One! Capture One Pro 9.
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products/Software/Capture-One-Pro/Highlights.aspx
We have built on existing features and improved the ones you know and use daily. Some highlights include..
- New Processing Engine
- New Color Editor Interface with the ability to create masks from Color selections
- LUMA Curves - i.e Luminance adjustment only with the power of the curve tool
- New brushing tools with Flow and Airbrush and easy straight line brushing.
- Curves now included as a Local Adjustments
- Keyword Library Manager and new Keyword tool
- Vastly improved rescaling engine
- Capture One Colors for DNG files
On a financial note each Capture One licence now gives you THREE installs. So you can cover your location system, office / studio system and home system. Even more value.
Here is an overview of what’s new…
https://youtu.be/5yCkUtVTQLo
Here is how the new Color Editor Works..
https://youtu.be/Q-KkdyxuNFk
Here is the new Keyword Tool and Library in action…
https://youtu.be/2UBObNYbDPU
On a personal note I will say that I didn’t look much into the new behaviour of the Contrast and Brightness sliders in the new processing engine at first. But I really must say it makes this rather rudimentary tool something special. Adding contrast to an image can often be a tough task, especially if you want to retain colors and saturation and not block up the blacks and ruin the highlights. The new processing engine does a great job of adding contrast in a subtle way. If you want even more control, then you have the Luma curve and the saturation slider at your disposal.
No doubt there will be some responses of “what about xyz tool??”. Remember, 9.0 is just the start and there is always more to come. Don’t forget throughout the life of Capture One 8 we added new features and tools, for example the Color Balance tool.
Download a 30 day trial today…
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Download.aspx
Upgrade your existing Capture One Pro 7 or 8 licence…
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Online-Store/PurchaseDetailsPage.aspx?captureone=upgrade
There are a series of Webinars for Capture One Pro 9 in English, German and Japanese - have a look on our new webinar page and sign up!
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Webinars.aspx
Many Thanks,
David
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Thanks for the extra seat. Also helps for a user with Mac and Win environments. Bootcamp. Each instance is seen as a separate install even though they are on the same machine.
Paul C
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Just purchased the upgrade but couldn't activate. Could be me though.......
I received my 16 character code via email.
After installation, I opened C1 9.0 and clicked Activate.
There is not the usual 4 boxes to input the code, only one long box. So, when I input the 16 characters, (with or without the dash) I get Invalid Code and can't activate.
I'm Windows 10.
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Thanks.
D.
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Just purchased the upgrade but couldn't activate. Could be me though.......
I received my 16 character code via email.
After installation, I opened C1 9.0 and clicked Activate.
There is not the usual 4 boxes to input the code, only one long box. So, when I input the 16 characters, (with or without the dash) I get Invalid Code and can't activate.
I'm Windows 10.
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Thanks.
D.
Hey D,
Got a screen shot?
Also windows has always had one box as opposed to 4. Can you try the code again?
David
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For those who are interested in a review of Capture One Pro 9, you are welcome to visit my page at
http://imagealchemist.net/capture-one-pro-9-review/
An Ambassador voucher is also in the review for a 10% discount. Thank you.
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David,
Working now. No idea why. Must have input a character incorrectly, though I did it three times.
Anyway, happy days.
D.
Ps. Advanced Colour Tool still giving readings that are higher than the RGB reading at the top of the screen. e.g Reading from Green Gretag colour patch; 95/129/115 at top of screen. 103/133/101 in Color Editor dialog. Gggrrrrr.......
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David,
Working now. No idea why. Must have input a character incorrectly, though I did it three times.
Anyway, happy days.
D.
Ps. Advanced Colour Tool still giving readings that are higher than the RGB reading at the top of the screen. e.g Reading from Green Gretag colour patch; 95/129/115 at top of screen. 103/133/101 in Color Editor dialog. Gggrrrrr.......
Great! And I still can't replicate that - did you contact support?
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For those who are interested in a review of Capture One Pro 9, you are welcome to visit my page at
http://imagealchemist.net/capture-one-pro-9-review/
An Ambassador voucher is also in the review for a 10% discount. Thank you.
Great Paul, I (being Dutch) was just searching for a voucher ;)
Cheers,
Bart
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Ps. Advanced Colour Tool still giving readings that are higher than the RGB reading at the top of the screen. e.g Reading from Green Gretag colour patch; 95/129/115 at top of screen. 103/133/101 in Color Editor dialog. Gggrrrrr.......
Hi,
No idea if it makes a difference in your situation, but have you checked your Rendering intent setting in the preferences?
If you have, I agree with David, then support is available from Phase One. They will be better suited to drill down to what's causing that issue on your computer.
Cheers,
Bart
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For those who are interested in a review of Capture One Pro 9, you are welcome to visit my page at
http://imagealchemist.net/capture-one-pro-9-review/
An Ambassador voucher is also in the review for a 10% discount. Thank you.
Great review Paul!
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Hi David,
Great news, however, what about hobby photographers - we do not need 3 installs for a higher price tag. Any chance to have a version with one install only? That will do for me and other amateurs. It looks like Capture One is becoming less affordable for our group.
Regards
Maciek
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Great! And I still can't replicate that - did you contact support?
Yes, no reply.
D.
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Hi David,
Great news, however, what about hobby photographers - we do not need 3 installs for a higher price tag. Any chance to have a version with one install only? That will do for me and other amateurs. It looks like Capture One is becoming less affordable for our group.
Regards
Maciek
Hi Maciek,
We have closer aligned Euro to Dollar pricing as it was a little out of adjustment.
If you want a more affordable option then there is always the subscription plan.
David
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A little annoyed, as a long time customer, I wasn't able to avail of the 10% discount. (I didn't see it until it was too late)
Small money, but it's the principle that counts.
D.
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still no LAB color readouts w/o shelling many thousands for C1 HE >:( !!!
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I invite you all to read our in depth article on Capture One 9 (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/capture-one-pro-9).
We are providing free upgrades to Capture One v9 (see bottom of articles for details) with the purchase of one of our $199 Capture One Masters Program classes in NYC and LA (https://digitaltransitions.com/event/training).
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I upgraded to v8 on oct 26th. Would I get v9 for free?
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For those who are interested in a review of Capture One Pro 9, you are welcome to visit my page at
http://imagealchemist.net/capture-one-pro-9-review/
An Ambassador voucher is also in the review for a 10% discount. Thank you.
Paul,
your voucher was just in time here. Thank you very much
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I upgraded to v8 on oct 26th. Would I get v9 for free?
Per the bottom of our article (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/capture-one-pro-9):
If you purchased Capture One Pro 8 after October 30, 2015 your upgrade is free. Contact the dealer from whom you purchased Capture One for assistance accessing your free upgrade. [...] Otherwise the cost to upgrade from Capture One Pro 7 or Capture One Pro 8 is $99.
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Per the bottom of our article:
If you purchased Capture One Pro 8 after October 30, 2015 your upgrade is free. Contact the dealer from whom you purchased Capture One for assistance accessing your free upgrade. [...] Otherwise the cost to upgrade from Capture One Pro 7 or Capture One Pro 8 is $99.
Pretty bad timing, I guess. Can't spend the money at this time. I will pass on it.
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Pretty bad timing, I guess. Can't spend the money at this time. I will pass on it.
If you're in LA you're welcome to register and stop by our Tune Up Day. We are raffling off a full v9 license:
https://digitaltransitions.com/event/event/dt-los-angeles-gear-tune-up-day-complimentary-12-02-2015
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Pretty bad timing, I guess. Can't spend the money at this time. I will pass on it.
the right way will be to prorate, gracefully going from free to $99 to the full cost... abrupt changes day less/day more are no good
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Yes, no reply.
D.
Check on your profile on Phaseone.com - you would have got a reply in 24 hours. Email notification may have been spam filtered.
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the right way will be to prorate, gracefully going from free to $99 to the full cost... abrupt changes day less/day more are no good
Can you please name a software company or two that uses the system you describe, so that I can pass on the point of comparison to the team at Phase One to consider for future updates? I'm not aware of any, but it sounds like a nice (if fairly complicated) way of going.
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Can you please name a software company or two that uses the system you describe, so that I can pass on the point of comparison to the team at Phase One to consider for future updates? I'm not aware of any, but it sounds like a nice (if fairly complicated) way of going.
yes, it is complicated - that is true - but don't you think it sounds more fair to the users ? as for being complicated - everything is automated, so the software will be calculating, not some dude with abacus and P1 can claim the innovation here ;D .... or may be even patent that (if no prior art)
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If you're in LA you're welcome to register and stop by our Tune Up Day. We are raffling off a full v9 license:
https://digitaltransitions.com/event/event/dt-los-angeles-gear-tune-up-day-complimentary-12-02-2015
Nope Im in NY :(
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For those who are interested in a review of Capture One Pro 9, you are welcome to visit my page at
http://imagealchemist.net/capture-one-pro-9-review/
An Ambassador voucher is also in the review for a 10% discount. Thank you.
Just did the upgrade from version 8 to 9 using the 10% discount code his site had and the code works with the upgrade. Downloaded and installed with no issues.
Cheers,
Stu
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Just did the upgrade from version 8 to 9 using the 10% discount code his site had and the code works with the upgrade. Downloaded and installed with no issues.
Same here, sofar no negative issues detected, only improvements. It's more than nice being able to do a color correction based on a Color Editor selection mask (blue sky between branches comes to mind), and of course no color shifts due to brightness/contrast/curves adjustments was long overdue, but now it's there. Keywording seems to have made a leap ahead as well.
I'm looking forward to testing the rescaling quality (maybe I can now use the output recipes more for that as well, e.g. websize output more properly down-sampled), it should help keystone corrections and lens distortion corrections as well.
Cheers,
Bart
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I invite you all to read our in depth article on Capture One 9 (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/capture-one-pro-9).
Doug, in your article under the section The Basics (keywording) you have a couple of instances of using the word "keyboarding" rather than "keywording" ;)
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Doug, in your review under the section The Basics (keywording) you have a couple of instances of using the word "keyboarding" rahter than "Keywording" ;)
It beats waterboarding ... :o
Cheers,
Bart
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I think there is a (major!) memory leak in the preview generation code.
I was testing and generating about 5000 previews, and partway through OS X told me I was running out of application memory.
Capture One Pro 9 was using about 90 GB of RAM.
This is clearly a bug; you should go back and release memory once you've generated a preview.
I'll quit Capture One when it becomes responsive, but right now I'd have to force quit as I have the dark/light blue pinwheel, which I assume is Capture One specific.
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It beats waterboarding ... :o
Cheers,
Bart
ROFLMAO - thanks for the chuckle this AM :D
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Doug, in your article under the section The Basics (keywording) you have a couple of instances of using the word "keyboarding" rather than "keywording" ;)
Thanks! I've corrected the typo.
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Great review Paul!
Thanks, David! :)
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Great Paul, I (being Dutch) was just searching for a voucher ;)
Cheers,
Bart
Good to hear Bart, happy I could help a fellow Dutchman. ;D
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I have the same problem with Phase One's free upgrade policy that a previous poster noted - C1 Pro 9 looks great, but I bought 8 (upgrade from a very old license I got from a colleague who moved to Lightroom because he didn't like the C1 interface) in the middle of October, and I don't get a free upgrade). Phase was great in letting me upgrade the old license to 8, but then had the very short free upgrade period from 8 to 9, when 9 wasn't a predicted upgrade. I don't mind short free windows if you know when the upgrades are coming, so you can avoid buying a program right before an upgrade comes out.
Adobe used to do this before CC, Photoshop always came out in June, and sales dropped off after the new year, because you'd hold on if AT ALL possible. The free upgrade window was very short - only a couple of weeks before the announcement, plus the month or so between announcement and release.
Microsoft used to follow the opposite model - Office came out at random times (although there were enough leaks that it was possible to guess), but the free upgrade window was 3-6 months, so nobody was stuck with brand-new Office that was already a version old!
C1 Pro 9 dropped completely out of the blue - there was no mention on the Luminous forum prior to the release (I just looked back), and has only a month's free upgrade period, leaving a lot of people who recently purchased (or returned to) C1 out in the cold. Many of us bought in response to Adobe's import antics in mid-October. At least I know that my story is that I'd been using Lightroom, but wasn't terribly happy with the color rendering (especially on Fuji and Sony files - Adobe gets Canon right, but the farther you go from Canon, the worse it is, and don't dare feed them X-Trans), had been experimenting with Capture One trials for years (and knew I had access to this old unused license I could buy cheap and upgrade), but had never pulled the trigger. I finally bought C1 when Adobe pulled the import downgrade, and have my library all moved over. I'm much happier with the colors, am learning the interface and getting pretty good, and don't especially like the DAM. Now, here comes C1 Pro 9 (with a major DAM upgrade), and I miss the upgrade by two weeks and a day (my install date is Oct. 14).
Making things worse, I'm an educational user (photo faculty at a university), and can't find Phase One's educational pricing anywhere (if such a thing exists), so I'm stuck buying two successive upgrades less than two months apart (the first, admittedly, a 4 version jump from an application that hadn't been used in years) at commercial pricing. Capture One is expensive enough that buying an upgrade to C1 is equivalent to buying a whole new copy of any other raw converter.
David, can you talk to your colleagues about whether there might be an option for free (or something like 50% off - I'd feel pretty good about a $49 upgrade) upgrades for those of us who bought C1 Pro relatively recently, but missed the 30 days? I think the fairest possible outcome would be to push the free upgrades back another 30 days, which would get past the Adobe import downgrade that brought in new C1 users, and then offer several months of $49 upgrades (going back to the spring?)...
Dan
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Hi. Same here. Bought an upgrade on the 20th of October with the intention to finally dive deeper in C1 (after last LR little issue... and few new features) and now already a new release. It looks great but C1 will begin to cost me more than my LR/PS CC account if I want to keep up. For an hobby, I have to make some choice.
Let's hope Phase One will extend a bit its upgrade period policy. Still, I understand that a line has to be drawn somewhere. For now, I will start with a trial period, almost same amount of time since my last paid upgrade.
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- LUMA Curves - i.e Luminance adjustment only with the power of the curve tool - HALLELUJAH!!!
- Keyword Library Manager and new Keyword tool - Double, Triple HALLELUJAH!!!
Hmm. Bit of a shame I've migrated to Lightroom....
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Making things worse, I'm an educational user (photo faculty at a university), and can't find Phase One's educational pricing anywhere (if such a thing exists), so I'm stuck buying two successive upgrades less than two months apart (the first, admittedly, a 4 version jump from an application that hadn't been used in years) at commercial pricing. Capture One is expensive enough that buying an upgrade to C1 is equivalent to buying a whole new copy of any other raw converter.
David, can you talk to your colleagues about whether there might be an option for free (or something like 50% off - I'd feel pretty good about a $49 upgrade) upgrades for those of us who bought C1 Pro relatively recently, but missed the 30 days? I think the fairest possible outcome would be to push the free upgrades back another 30 days, which would get past the Adobe import downgrade that brought in new C1 users, and then offer several months of $49 upgrades (going back to the spring?)...
We do EDU pricing all the time. If you're in the US contact jsl@digitaltransitions.com
As referenced at the end of our article:
https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/capture-one-pro-9
Re "out of the blue", Capture One Pro is released on a 12-18 month release cycle. So expect the next one around winter of 2016 or spring of 2017.
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Hi,
Bart you are right, of course but it may depend on the POV. Some folks may even enjoy it, but probably not those subjected to it…
Best regards
Erik
It beats waterboarding ... :o
Cheers,
Bart
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Samsung NX1 camera support is dropped (previously it was broken) and support for NX500 was never added.
These are niche, but very capable cameras, and since I have moved to this system from Nikon, I am not upgrading and will look to sell my existing license.
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still no LAB color readouts w/o shelling many thousands for C1 HE >:( !!!
Correct.
Full and robust support for LAB is exclusive to the Capture One Cultural Heritage Edition (http://dtdch.com/capture-one-ch/) and will remain so.
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Correct.
Full and robust support for LAB is exclusive to the Capture One Cultural Heritage Edition (http://dtdch.com/capture-one-ch/) and will remain so.
nobody is asking for full or robust anything - just one item - the LAB color readouts, that's it... or better yet HSV/HSL/HSB representations of the current proof RGB color space... it stupid when you can't see the color readout data separated in a more logical way than RGB (and to use Color Editor is too time consuming - I want to see multiple color readouts in place where I put them in preview )
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nobody is asking for full or robust anything - just one item - the LAB color readouts, that's it
This will remain a feature exclusive to C1CH (http://dtdch.com/capture-one-ch/).
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This will remain a feature exclusive to C1CH (http://dtdch.com/capture-one-ch/).
I got the dealer's POV, that however does not stop users to ask P1 ...
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Re "out of the blue", Capture One Pro is released on a 12-18 month release cycle. So expect the next one around winter of 2016 or spring of 2017.
For that to be really useful to avoid the double upgrades that at least three folks on this forum are facing, it would have to be a lot more specific than 12-18 months (when Adobe did this, it was within a week or two each year - you knew EXACTLY when Photoshop was coming).
Capture One's release history is as follows (mostly from Wikipedia).
Version 3: Can't find the actual release date, but it was on 3.6 by late 2004!
Version 4: December 2007: (PRO delayed until October 2008) (AT LEAST 4 years)
Version 5 (almost invisible): October 2009 (two years - one if you count from Pro 4)
Version 6 (first modern C1): December 2010 (one year)
Version 7: November 2012(two years)
Version 8: September 2014(two years)
Version 9: November 2015.(one year)
It does look like it's generally a fall/early winter release, but the number of years is unpredictable, although often two - it looks like it's been on a two year cycle since v4, albeit with a bit of chaos caused by the delay of v4 PRO before the big v6 upgrade. Since it was extensively modernized at v6, it had reliably been two years until v9. Unless you count v4 to v5 using the delayed PRO version of v4, the only paid upgrade in less than two years had been v5 to v6 (and v5 was the very low adoption version, so most people were upgrading from v4 or even v3).
Since C1 Pro 8 had three important free point upgrades (and Phase One had actually posted that they were moving to a model of LESS major upgrades, with more features added in point releases), I had expected v9 in late 2016 at the earliest, with the possibility that v8 would be like v3, hanging around for years, although effectively rewritten through point upgrades! Most C1 users are on v8 now, so we're all being hit with an early paid upgrade, and those of us who bought in when Adobe threatened to dumb down Lightroom are being hit with a paid upgrade in less than two months, and one that could NOT have been predicted.
If we're going to see annual paid upgrades from now on, anyone who ever paid full price for v8 is a chump, because the subscription offers all the upgrades for $99/year, WITHOUT ever having made the initial, larger investment, while ownership means $99/year upgrades DESPITE the initial investment (and owners who bought at the wrong time do far worse than subscribers, effectively being rewarded for their larger initial investment with a surprise early renewal). Even if your v8 release is an upgrade, as mine is, it's at the VERY best equivalent to the subscription - you get a year for $99 - and, if you bought it later than the initial release, you get hit for another $99 sooner than you predicted or would have if you subscribed.
If Phase One had made this clear from the beginning, as Microsoft did when they moved to Office 365 (they continued to offer non-subscription Office, but made it clear that it would always be more expensive unless you cared about keeping old versions), this would have been fine, especially if they had offered some incentive (a free year's subscription, for example), to move to the subscription. Instead, they portrayed it as two models, either of which might work out cheaper, then hit owners with an extra fee after they chose the initially more expensive option. Due to camera compatibility and lens profiles, raw converters are unlikely pieces of software to be able to skip an upgrade entirely (although, at least, C1 isn't reliably taken out by operating system upgrades the way Lightroom is).
don't get me wrong - I like C1 a lot and v9 looks like a great upgrade - I'm just unhappy with how paying for it worked out...
Dan
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Given that I don't think the v9 upgrade is fair to recent purchasers of v8 (especially with the subscription option working out so much cheaper), I gave some thought to what WOULD be fair - here's one idea:
v7 or earlier (as far back as Phase One wants to go) to v9 - $99 (Phase One is already generous to version-skippers by letting them upgrade at all, and nobody has bought v7 or earlier very recently, so there's no reason for an extra discount).
v8 to v9 within two or three months of purchase (either would be reasonable, see below): free upgrade.
v8 to v9 beyond two or three months: Users can either trade in their v8 license for a free year's subscription (starting on a fixed date like Dec. 1, 2015 - it wouldn't be fair to Phase One if users could choose to start the subscription any time - get another 6 months or more out of v8, then start the subscription when they got a new camera or lens that needed v9) - they are then on the subscription plan and no longer have a perpetual license OR they can pay $49 (if the grace period for free upgrades is two months) or $69 (if the grace period is three months) for an upgrade to their perpetual license. Users eligible for a free upgrade can ALSO choose to trade in their license for a subscription, but there is probably little reason why anyone would choose that path (you're on $99/yr either way, so why would you give up the perpetual license).
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@ David Grover: let me guess, still no OpenCL support on Fuji X-Trans files, right? Big, big disappointment!!!
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Dan, you cited some of the legacy development times (e.g. From v3 to v4)
If encourage you to read this article which I helped the author with to understand why the older cycles are not relevant:
https://fstoppers.com/composite/building-house-capture-one-version-8-imaging-software-evolution-48435
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Hi Dan,
I can share your feelings, as I just bought C1 v8 a few months ago.
On the other hand, a raw conversion engine is a major change really meaning a new version of the program.
Another point is that folks like me spends thousands of $/€ on new equipment each years so 100 $/€ or so is a minor inconvenience.
Subcription is an interesting option.
Best regards
Erik
For that to be really useful to avoid the double upgrades that at least three folks on this forum are facing, it would have to be a lot more specific than 12-18 months (when Adobe did this, it was within a week or two each year - you knew EXACTLY when Photoshop was coming).
Capture One's release history is as follows (mostly from Wikipedia).
Version 3: Can't find the actual release date, but it was on 3.6 by late 2004!
Version 4: December 2007: (PRO delayed until October 2008) (AT LEAST 4 years)
Version 5 (almost invisible): October 2009 (two years - one if you count from Pro 4)
Version 6 (first modern C1): December 2010 (one year)
Version 7: November 2012(two years)
Version 8: September 2014(two years)
Version 9: November 2015.(one year)
It does look like it's generally a fall/early winter release, but the number of years is unpredictable, although often two - it looks like it's been on a two year cycle since v4, albeit with a bit of chaos caused by the delay of v4 PRO before the big v6 upgrade. Since it was extensively modernized at v6, it had reliably been two years until v9. Unless you count v4 to v5 using the delayed PRO version of v4, the only paid upgrade in less than two years had been v5 to v6 (and v5 was the very low adoption version, so most people were upgrading from v4 or even v3).
Since C1 Pro 8 had three important free point upgrades (and Phase One had actually posted that they were moving to a model of LESS major upgrades, with more features added in point releases), I had expected v9 in late 2016 at the earliest, with the possibility that v8 would be like v3, hanging around for years, although effectively rewritten through point upgrades! Most C1 users are on v8 now, so we're all being hit with an early paid upgrade, and those of us who bought in when Adobe threatened to dumb down Lightroom are being hit with a paid upgrade in less than two months, and one that could NOT have been predicted.
If we're going to see annual paid upgrades from now on, anyone who ever paid full price for v8 is a chump, because the subscription offers all the upgrades for $99/year, WITHOUT ever having made the initial, larger investment, while ownership means $99/year upgrades DESPITE the initial investment (and owners who bought at the wrong time do far worse than subscribers, effectively being rewarded for their larger initial investment with a surprise early renewal). Even if your v8 release is an upgrade, as mine is, it's at the VERY best equivalent to the subscription - you get a year for $99 - and, if you bought it later than the initial release, you get hit for another $99 sooner than you predicted or would have if you subscribed.
If Phase One had made this clear from the beginning, as Microsoft did when they moved to Office 365 (they continued to offer non-subscription Office, but made it clear that it would always be more expensive unless you cared about keeping old versions), this would have been fine, especially if they had offered some incentive (a free year's subscription, for example), to move to the subscription. Instead, they portrayed it as two models, either of which might work out cheaper, then hit owners with an extra fee after they chose the initially more expensive option. Due to camera compatibility and lens profiles, raw converters are unlikely pieces of software to be able to skip an upgrade entirely (although, at least, C1 isn't reliably taken out by operating system upgrades the way Lightroom is).
don't get me wrong - I like C1 a lot and v9 looks like a great upgrade - I'm just unhappy with how paying for it worked out...
Dan
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With respect, restricting LAB to C1CH, given the institutional pricing (and that's being polite) of that product, is ridiculous.
It would appear that the makers are afraid of losing out on C1CH revenue, if they included LAB in C1.
D.
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I would also very much like to see LAB functionality in C1. For this I still need Photoshop. I find only advantages in separating the luminance channel from the color channels*. In the Video/Broadcast world this is a known fact for several decades but the photo world seems not convinced.
However, with V.9 there is a bit of LAB under the hood with the “LUMA Curves - i.e Luminance adjustment only with the power of the curve tool”. Let’s say it’s going in the right direction!
* Example: sharpening in the Luminance channel while leaving the color channels untouched. The same with Local Contrast Enhancements or noise filtering. This gives very nice and (to me) more natural results.
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For that to be really useful to avoid the double upgrades that at least three folks on this forum are facing, it would have to be a lot more specific than 12-18 months (when Adobe did this, it was within a week or two each year - you knew EXACTLY when Photoshop was coming).
Capture One's release history is as follows (mostly from Wikipedia).
Version 3: Can't find the actual release date, but it was on 3.6 by late 2004!
Version 4: December 2007: (PRO delayed until October 2008) (AT LEAST 4 years)
Version 5 (almost invisible): October 2009 (two years - one if you count from Pro 4)
Version 6 (first modern C1): December 2010 (one year)
Version 7: November 2012(two years)
Version 8: September 2014(two years)
Version 9: November 2015.(one year)
It does look like it's generally a fall/early winter release, but the number of years is unpredictable, although often two - it looks like it's been on a two year cycle since v4, albeit with a bit of chaos caused by the delay of v4 PRO before the big v6 upgrade. Since it was extensively modernized at v6, it had reliably been two years until v9. Unless you count v4 to v5 using the delayed PRO version of v4, the only paid upgrade in less than two years had been v5 to v6 (and v5 was the very low adoption version, so most people were upgrading from v4 or even v3).
Since C1 Pro 8 had three important free point upgrades (and Phase One had actually posted that they were moving to a model of LESS major upgrades, with more features added in point releases), I had expected v9 in late 2016 at the earliest, with the possibility that v8 would be like v3, hanging around for years, although effectively rewritten through point upgrades! Most C1 users are on v8 now, so we're all being hit with an early paid upgrade, and those of us who bought in when Adobe threatened to dumb down Lightroom are being hit with a paid upgrade in less than two months, and one that could NOT have been predicted.
If we're going to see annual paid upgrades from now on, anyone who ever paid full price for v8 is a chump, because the subscription offers all the upgrades for $99/year, WITHOUT ever having made the initial, larger investment, while ownership means $99/year upgrades DESPITE the initial investment (and owners who bought at the wrong time do far worse than subscribers, effectively being rewarded for their larger initial investment with a surprise early renewal). Even if your v8 release is an upgrade, as mine is, it's at the VERY best equivalent to the subscription - you get a year for $99 - and, if you bought it later than the initial release, you get hit for another $99 sooner than you predicted or would have if you subscribed.
If Phase One had made this clear from the beginning, as Microsoft did when they moved to Office 365 (they continued to offer non-subscription Office, but made it clear that it would always be more expensive unless you cared about keeping old versions), this would have been fine, especially if they had offered some incentive (a free year's subscription, for example), to move to the subscription. Instead, they portrayed it as two models, either of which might work out cheaper, then hit owners with an extra fee after they chose the initially more expensive option. Due to camera compatibility and lens profiles, raw converters are unlikely pieces of software to be able to skip an upgrade entirely (although, at least, C1 isn't reliably taken out by operating system upgrades the way Lightroom is).
don't get me wrong - I like C1 a lot and v9 looks like a great upgrade - I'm just unhappy with how paying for it worked out...
Dan
Hi Dan,
With grace periods, there is always going to be someone who is just out of the period and I am sorry that you have landed in that situation.
However, I have sent you a PM with something to help out your situation.
There is educational pricing. If you have colleagues who are interested, or students, please let me know.
David
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However, with V.9 there is a bit of LAB under the hood with the “LUMA Curves - i.e Luminance adjustment only with the power of the curve tool”.
and why do you think this is L* from LAB instead of luminance part from just some HSV/HSL/HSB representation of whatever RGB space ? David from P1 got us some answers from Esben*, a developer in P1 (along the lines that Esben posted here before some time back, but never hurts to repeat and make it more detailed), that C1 tries to postpone any color transform till the last stage of the pipeline (P1 does not count WB and curves as a color transform, demosaick itself naturally does not count)... so it is logical to assume that Luma curve is not done by some round trip to a proper Lab color space (that requires color transform) and back to camera space RGB.
comments from P1 about Luma curve mechanism are most welcome !
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With respect, restricting LAB to C1CH, given the institutional pricing (and that's being polite) of that product, is ridiculous.
It would appear that the makers are afraid of losing out on C1CH revenue, if they included LAB in C1.
D.
they can restrict most of the functionality by all means - I just, for example, want a simple minor thing - make color readouts that I can stick over the preview to show me something more than RGB - if not Lab then make it something like HSV/HSL/HSB representations of the RGB color space (in addition to RGB numbers itself)... I very much like to work with some colors based not only on my eyes (what I see), but also using the numbers that I prefer to have in the form where ideally luminance is separated from color and ideally color is split into hue/saturation parts.
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I am a new CaptureOne user with COP8 purchased in June and went through the Apple OS10.11/OpenCL problems. I wasn't happy about the upgrade but someone posted a coupon code and it came out to US$76. I haven't played with it much but did find tethered previews to be about 3 seconds, much faster than COP8.3.4
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I invite you all to read our in depth article on Capture One 9 (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/capture-one-pro-9).
We are providing free upgrades to Capture One v9 (see bottom of articles for details) with the purchase of one of our $199 Capture One Masters Program classes in NYC and LA (https://digitaltransitions.com/event/training).
How long is this offer active?
I might be interested but I'm plastered with deadlines until December 12th.
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After some great assistance from David at Phase One (wow, what a difference from software companies that never respond), I upgraded today, and it's a very good upgrade. I haven't had a chance to play with the new keywording, but I HAVE tried various pieces of the new conversion engine, and the differences are both positive and noticeable (not huge, because v8 was already very good, but definitely noticeable). With the new contrast control and a modern sensor, I can bring in dark foreground and bright sky relatively easily on the same image, WITHOUT using multi-image HDR (no, not with the sun in the frame - that would take something like 22 stops of DR, and we don't have that yet). Is there any way to bring a whole catalog over to the new engine?
New imports are using the new engine, but I need to click the upgrade box on each existing image. I like the new engine enough that I'd like to bring everything over, especially images I haven't yet tweaked.
Also, what's the trick to getting C1 to display only the raw file when it imports a raw+ jpeg. My catalog presently has both for each image, displayed next to each other, and I'd like to have just the one I want to edit. One solution is obviously to shoot raw only, but that means no jpeg to send out when I want to just pass someone a processed image. Is there a way to tell C1 "import the JPEGs off the card, but don't catalog them as separate images"? Lightroom handles this correctly (in my opinion), and I'm guessing I'm just missing a preference somewhere in C1.
Even the default C1 conversion on a Fuji X-T1 file seems to be about as good as a tweaked Lightroom conversion (that is probably largely a better camera profile), and spending a little bit of time with it, I can get a result I can't get in Lightroom. I know that X-Trans files are Lightroom's weakness, and thanks to Phase for taking the time to get a good result with those odd non-Bayer files. I haven't got any Canon files around, which seem to be Lightroom's strongest suit, but I'd be interested to see if C1 can now produce a more pleasing conversion than Lightroom even on Canon files.
An interesting difference in reception between C1 v8 (and I'm confident v9 as well, just from the first few hours) and Lightroom v6 is that almost everyone agrees that v8 was a real upgrade. There are VERY few people sticking with C1 v7 because they prefer it, while Lightroom 5 has a loyal user base.
As C1 becomes more fully-featured, I wonder how many of us will be able to ditch Photoshop in the next couple of versions. $100 per year (whether on subscription or upgrades) is a lot more palatable than Adobe's $240/yr for LR and PS, especially as the new version model becomes established and the teething troubles with people buying two upgrades in quick succession end. I won't be able to, because I use InDesign all the time, and sometimes Illustrator and Premiere as well, so I have the full suite and can't yet ditch it, but I could certainly see going C1 only if I wasn't also doing some graphic arts work.
The article Doug wrote (and linked to earlier in this thread) on C1 development is really interesting (if you are a geek about such things, and I am). It shows how much went in to recoding C1 to a really modern code base.
If I were Phase One (and I know they're reading this and really listen), I would add some of the auxiliaries that Lightroom has. Lightroom has really sophisticated slideshow and print modules that, if they're in C1 at all, I haven't found yet. C1's core raw engine is second to none, and we're seeing more of Media Pro make it into C1's catalog - the new keywords are a big step in that direction (I'm guessing that Phase's goal is to include most or all of Media Pro in C1 before too long, and that will really help). Once the catalog is fully fleshed out, the only reason to use Lightroom would be for those few finishing modules . How hard would it be to buy and integrate Qimage as a print module? It might be impossible, especially on the Mac side, where the (solo) developer steadfastly refuses to port Qimage - but it might be relatively easy? How much work would a slideshow module be?
All in all, a great upgrade, and I can't wait to get into it more deeply.
Dan
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Yesterday I contacted Phaseone support notifying them that I Just purchased the upgrade to v8 on Oct 26th. I just got a response with a very fair discount off of the v9 upgrade price. So I upgraded.
If any of you are in a similar situation submit a ticket to Phaseone Support.
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Dan,
Two points:
- you can multi-select images to migrate them to the V9 engine,
- you can apply a filter after import using the raw file extension (for example nef) to only keep the raw files visible.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Also, what's the trick to getting C1 to display only the raw file when it imports a raw+ jpeg.
Hi Dan,
If you do not intend to post-process any JPEGs in C1, you can switch JPEG editing off in the Preferences under Image Editing. I'm not sure (I don't shoot Raw+JPEG myself) if that switches off visibility in the Import dialog, but it's worth a try.
Cheers,
Bart
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I had exactly Barry's experience with the upgrade (through David on the forum, rather than P1 support), so I suspect they either have some informal policy about this, or are just giving very fair pricing case by case. If you bought V8 very recently, I'd certainly get in touch with P1 - they're willing to help - two people who didn't like this situation on the forum are very happy with the result.
Multi-select didn't seem to work for me this morning, but it's working now... I'm in the process of upgrading a 60,000+ image catalog, which I fully expect to take a while!
I'll try turning off JPEG editing, but I'm not sure it'll affect visibility (it's not in the import dialog itself that I'm concerned about, but in the catalog). Turning off JPEG editing will certainly eliminate the problem of accidentally editing a JPEG. Using a filter by the raw file extension would work, except that I have three or four types of raw files around (as I'm sure many of us do).
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Question for David Grover:
I'm running Capture One DB v8.3.1 - can I upgrade to v9 without charge?
Thanks!
John
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Question for David Grover:
I'm running Capture One DB v8.3.1 - can I upgrade to v9 without charge?
Thanks!
John
Yes
Capture One DB is always free, with unlimited licenses, and no registration required, and always will be.
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There is educational pricing. If you have colleagues who are interested, or students, please let me know.
David
Hi David,
I have just contacted your support colleagues regarding educational pricing and they told me they have not heard about something like that? Is there a special requirement?
Kind regards,
Joerg
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Hi David,
I have just contacted your support colleagues regarding educational pricing and they told me they have not heard about something like that? Is there a special requirement?
Kind regards,
Joerg
Hi joerg - I have PM'd you.
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Yes
Capture One DB is always free, with unlimited licenses, and no registration required, and always will be.
Doug,
Thanks.
John
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Hi David,
I have just contacted your support colleagues regarding educational pricing and they told me they have not heard about something like that? Is there a special requirement?
If you're in the USA you can contact jsl@digitaltransitions.com - we do EDU pricing/sales all the time.
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I'll try turning off JPEG editing, but I'm not sure it'll affect visibility (it's not in the import dialog itself that I'm concerned about, but in the catalog). Turning off JPEG editing will certainly eliminate the problem of accidentally editing a JPEG. Using a filter by the raw file extension would work, except that I have three or four types of raw files around (as I'm sure many of us do).
In the Filter tool use the drop down in the top right corner of the tool and (Global Filter > always Hide JPGs]. Also consider whether you need to shoot raw+jpg given the option to create QuickProof JPGs at a rate of a sveral hundred per minute using C1 with cohesive cull, naming and adjustments.
There are so many tips and tricks like this. We cover hundreds in our Capture One Classes: https://digitaltransitions.com/event/training
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How long is this offer active?
I might be interested but I'm plastered with deadlines until December 12th.
Email me at dep@digitaltransitions.com and we can figure something out for you I'm sure.
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Samsung NX1 camera support is dropped (previously it was broken) and support for NX500 was never added.
These are niche, but very capable cameras, and since I have moved to this system from Nikon, I am not upgrading and will look to sell my existing license.
I haven't tried it myself but I've been told the NX1 is supported and works beautifully despite not being listed as supported.
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I haven't tried it myself but I've been told the NX1 is supported and works beautifully despite not being listed as supported.
I have no personal knowledge of the situation.
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-rumor-nikon-bought-samsung-nx-mirrorless-tech/
For what its worth I can't think of a single client of ours that owns or uses a Samsung camera.
(Please don't take this as a comment about the quality of those cameras or about Samsung as a company. I've never even held one.)
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I have no personal knowledge of the situation.
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-rumor-nikon-bought-samsung-nx-mirrorless-tech/
For what its worth I can't think of a single client of ours that owns or uses a Samsung camera.
(Please don't take this as a comment about the quality of those cameras or about Samsung as a company. I've never even held one.)
not even a cell phone ?!
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Per the bottom of our article (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/capture-one-pro-9):
If you purchased Capture One Pro 8 after October 30, 2015 your upgrade is free. Contact the dealer from whom you purchased Capture One for assistance accessing your free upgrade. [...] Otherwise the cost to upgrade from Capture One Pro 7 or Capture One Pro 8 is $99.
A 1 month free upgrade period is awfully short. Coincidentally, I was pondering purchasing C1 V8 and emailed Phase One in mid October regarding their upgrade policy re a future V9. They replied that there was no V9 on the horizon... Had I purchased V8 I would be stuck with an added $99 upgrade fee to get V9 in a little over a month.
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A 1 month free upgrade period is awfully short.
rawdigger policy for example, with major versions upgrade for those with "pro(file edition)" = "Free for 1 year after purchase, 40% discount past that"...
patchtool = "PatchTool 5.0 is free for all owners of a PatchTool 4.x license if the license was purchased AFTER April 12 2015 (i.e. up to 6 months before PatchTool 5.0 launch date)."
a beauty of small shops with nic(h)e products... and you can actually talk directly with the authors
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Capture One's pricing is not competitive. Most of us have multiple raw converters/photo editors and most are competitively priced. Capture One is not. Their subscription price ($15/month) is laughable compared to Adobe's $9.95 for two major applications.
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Capture One's pricing is not competitive. Most of us have multiple raw converters/photo editors and most are competitively priced. Capture One is not. Their subscription price ($15/month) is laughable compared to Adobe's $9.95 for two major applications.
well, the art is to find a fine line between the price and value... I'd rather ask P1 to increase the value ( give me LAB and/or HSV/HSL/HSB color readouts !!! next time when I visit Denmark I will go on hunger strike near the office )
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Capture One's pricing is not competitive. Most of us have multiple raw converters/photo editors and most are competitively priced. Capture One is not.
I do not judge a comparison of rawconverters on price alone. Conversion quality, workflow benefits, reasonable upgrade pricing, feature enhancements with dot releases that do not wait for an entirely new version number, decent to good technical service should one need it, etc. also weigh in.
Their subscription price ($15/month) is laughable compared to Adobe's $9.95 for two major applications.
And the annual cost for a perpetual license of a new version C1 Pro upgrade, is something like € 8.25 per month (and there is usually a 10%-off coupon available somewhere, so € 7.43 / mth) for a 3 seat license.
Sounds like a decent deal, for something that's even getting better all the time.
Cheers,
Bart
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Is there a way to stop the help window from popping up?
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Is there a way to stop the help window from popping up?
Checkbox at the bottom - Do not show again. ;)
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I just got a surface pro 4 with the i5 cpu for tethered shooting on location and basic selection/edit work on the go.
Now evaluating if LR or C1 is the tool to go, I have the adobe subscription and downloaded the c1 9 demo. No question c1 is better for tether and I can attach a c1 pilot for my customer(no, the adobe solution over cc server is not a valid solution). The 'dual monitor' workspace works nice, brings up a near fullscreen view window(on the sp4 display of course) which gives me big enough view. That interface seems better for me on the touch display for tether, then the lr touch mode.
One thing not working is the the color editor 'sub tab' won't open on the sp4, some bug? I disabled the opencl, no change. (btw LR does not support this graphics chip, have to disable it in order to work properly)
The rest works fine, while in default workspace mode touch function is a bit blehh. I would love to see a bit of optimization here, a touch tablet with enough power is a cool thing for tethering - would complement with c1 superior tethering.
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I just got a surface pro 4 with the i5 cpu for tethered shooting on location and basic selection/edit work on the go.
Now evaluating if LR or C1 is the tool to go, I have the adobe subscription and downloaded the c1 9 demo. No question c1 is better for tether and I can attach a c1 pilot for my customer(no, the adobe solution over cc server is not a valid solution). The 'dual monitor' workspace works nice, brings up a near fullscreen view window(on the sp4 display of course) which gives me big enough view. That interface seems better for me on the touch display for tether, then the lr touch mode.
One thing not working is the the color editor 'sub tab' won't open on the sp4, some bug? I disabled the opencl, no change. (btw LR does not support this graphics chip, have to disable it in order to work properly)
The rest works fine, while in default workspace mode touch function is a bit blehh. I would love to see a bit of optimization here, a touch tablet with enough power is a cool thing for tethering - would complement with c1 superior tethering.
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback, I'm considering but have not decided on a Surface Pro 4 yet. It's good to know the combination is working/workable.
Cheers,
Bart
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you are welcome Bart!
I do not have the keyboard(yet). Touch is not as you might be used to it on an ipad. Often need to touch 2-3 times until it gets it. And the on screen keyboard does not always come up automatically when you need to type some text. Browsing in menues can also be a bit flimsy. So this is not an apple planed in detail product :)
I hope they optimize the software soon on the input issue. It is convenient, without the ipad limitation, and naturally without the ipad ease of use.
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sorry this got a bit off topic :) I posted it here because of the issues with the color editor tab.
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Checkbox at the bottom - Do not show again. ;)
There's no checkbox showing up at all, here. Is there a way to edit a config file to turn it off?
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There's no checkbox showing up at all, here. Is there a way to edit a config file to turn it off?
Are you on the trial?
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Are you on the trial?
Yep.
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Yep.
That's why!
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@ David Grover
There's been some talk about the 'new' and improved output resolution engine in V9. When up-rezzing output does V9 work on the RAW data or does it first convert into TIFF/JPEG format and up-rez from there (and ditto for downsize) ?
Thanks.
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I just got a surface pro 4 with the i5 cpu for tethered shooting on location and basic selection/edit work on the go.
Now evaluating if LR or C1 is the tool to go, I have the adobe subscription and downloaded the c1 9 demo. No question c1 is better for tether and I can attach a c1 pilot for my customer(no, the adobe solution over cc server is not a valid solution). The 'dual monitor' workspace works nice, brings up a near fullscreen view window(on the sp4 display of course) which gives me big enough view. That interface seems better for me on the touch display for tether, then the lr touch mode.
One thing not working is the the color editor 'sub tab' won't open on the sp4, some bug? I disabled the opencl, no change. (btw LR does not support this graphics chip, have to disable it in order to work properly)
The rest works fine, while in default workspace mode touch function is a bit blehh. I would love to see a bit of optimization here, a touch tablet with enough power is a cool thing for tethering - would complement with c1 superior tethering.
Make sure the color edit sub tab has room to open. On the S2 and s3 I have to drag it away from the main toolset column on the left. Then it should open fine. I believe it's an issue with the density of the screen resolution/size of the screen.
I agree to tether you can't go wrong with the Surface and C1. You can read a lot more on tethering and solutions here www.kendoo.com. Ken has written quite a bit on this solution.
Paul C
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There's been some talk about the 'new' and improved output resolution engine in V9. When up-rezzing output does V9 work on the RAW data or does it first convert into TIFF/JPEG format and up-rez from there (and ditto for downsize) ?
Hi Manoli,
I'm not privy to the internals of C1, but it is clear to me sofar that the downsampling quality is much better, and that it's probably due to the concepts that Nicolas Robidoux and I tested/discussed in another thread (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=91754.msg746273#msg746273). Since part of the magic is in resampling in a linear gamma space, or something close to that, it seems logical to assume that rescaling is partly based on the demosaiced Raw-ish data before being gamma pre-compensated for output, but also partly in gamma adjusted space.
So I guess it's hard to label it in simple terms, but the result is much better than it used to be. I have not tested it yet for upsampling and other distortions (e.g. keystone correction and lens distortion corrections), so I'm not sure, yet, what has changed there.
One thing I am missing (a lot) though, is a good preview of how the sharpening settings will affect the rescaled result, and a more advanced sharpening option for improved sharpening when processing time is less important, but best output sharpness quality is of the essence.
As far as I can see now (athough I could be mistaken), the sharpening settings are applied at 100% and then resampled, while the reverse order would be required. Sharpening as the last step is almost 'always' the best method, but without being able to preview it it becomes a guessing game.
Such an accurate sharpening preview at the final output size is also needed in the print module.
Cheers,
Bart
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Hi Bart,
Many thanks your reply. Yes, my initial tests showed an improvement in downsampling but without your input couldn't attribute it to specifically what gives and I'm particularly wary of the 'placebo' effect - i.e. not trusting one's own eyes! Hopefully, PhaseOne will enlighten us. Equally, I'm not sure what I'm seeing in the up-rez - though for the moment it's really an academic exercise as I've no 'real' use for it other than, in special cases, up-sampling / post / down sample. My suspicion is ( has been since V8) that there is work on the RAW data, similar to Iridient.
Sharpening always baffles me. For Capture sharpening I've settled on output from C1 to Ps, up-rez, Focusmagic on a layer, opacity to taste with masking if necessary and then Topaz Detail for Output sharpening. Else it's simple C1 settings with a bias to under-sharpen.
Hopefully David Grover can shed some light on both the up-rez and the points you raise.
Best,
Manoli
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Make sure the color edit sub tab has room to open. On the S2 and s3 I have to drag it away from the main toolset column on the left. Then it should open fine. I believe it's an issue with the density of the screen resolution/size of the screen.
Indeed it seems to be the problem. i need to drag the window completely out of the tools section and have it free on the screen in order to expand. thanks! If I remember right I could configure a separate tab for it. i will try that later.
By the way the link seems to be wrong :)
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Indeed it seems to be the problem. i need to drag the window completely out of the tools section and have it free on the screen in order to expand. thanks! If I remember right I could configure a separate tab for it. i will try that later.
By the way the link seems to be wrong :)
U just double checked and you are right. The color editor tool has to be dragged away from the main tab to get it to open. It seems to be an issue with only the surface pro line.
Sorry on the link. Here is the correct one.
https://kendoophotography.wordpress.com
Paul C
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..., and a more advanced sharpening option for improved sharpening when processing time is less important, but best output sharpness quality is of the essence.
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Cheers,
Bart
Bart
An "ultimate quality" option would be maybe nice for other things as well, for example noise reduction and probably other things also. I wouldn't mind such a setting in an process recipe, even if checking it would mean that processing time goes up 10 or 50-fold.
Alain
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Bart
An "ultimate quality" option would be maybe nice for other things as well, for example noise reduction and probably other things also. I wouldn't mind such a setting in an process recipe, even if checking it would mean that processing time goes up 10 or 50-fold.
Hi Alain,
I obviously agree, but I also know that it is not only processing time, but probably also user interface (and usage) complexity. But as an option it would still be welcome for those who have the knowledge and perseverance to use it.
I know from experience that it would also be an (achievable) opportunity to develop a really clever implementation of a solution and design of a user interface that makes complex things easier to use. The whole subject of 'sharpening' (and I mean real sharpening, not simple edge or acutance enhancement) remains largely underdeveloped in most imaging applications.
I'm currently testing my own solution prototypes (automatic spatially variant image analysis and a heuristics driven approach to aid the user in choosing the optimal parameters where they are not already available, e.g. from the EXIF metadata), and maybe need to patent them first ...
But time and monetary resources are slowing things down a bit.
Cheers,
Bart
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Hi all,
Read about the C1 9 release on DPReview over this past weekend. I guess the Phase One newsletter is sent to a select few, this despite me continually checking the check box for this service on the update page.
Like quite a few others on this thread, I too upgraded to version 8 in late October - October 20 that is. What makes this "abrupt" release all the more bothersome, is that Phase One released a minor update after I had made this purchase . WHY, one wonders, when a major release was pending? Its a bit like sending up a balloon, as in a false-positive thing, that there were or maybe more minor updates in the offering and this before the advent of a major release that might be pending. I mean 8.3.4 is a long, long way off version 9, not that this matters.
I also agree with the sentiment that a fairer moratorium should be be offered to those who made a recent purchase or updated recently. I mean I could go back and download the version 9 and run it as trial and continue to do this on each point release but, this is more or less pointless and this from both sides - me as user who would then only use Capture One on an intermittent basis on the one side and Phase One, on the other side, who is not only looking to keep and retain their customers but also foster "ambassadors" who are likely to refer or promote Capture One to other users.
Wonder why sometimes but, there we are...
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Hi all,
Read about the C1 9 release on DPReview over this past weekend. I guess the Phase One newsletter is sent to a select few, this despite me continually checking the check box for this service on the update page.
Like quite a few others on this thread, I too upgraded to version 8 in late October - October 20 that is. What makes this "abrupt" release all the more bothersome, is that Phase One released a minor update after I had made this purchase . WHY, one wonders, when a major release was pending? Its a bit like sending up a balloon, as in a false-positive thing, that there were or maybe more minor updates in the offering and this before the advent of a major release that might be pending. I mean 8.3.4 is a long, long way off version 9, not that this matters.
I also agree with the sentiment that a fairer moratorium should be be offered to those who made a recent purchase or updated recently. I mean I could go back and download the version 9 and run it as trial and continue to do this on each point release but, this is more or less pointless and this from both sides - me as user who would then only use Capture One on an intermittent basis on the one side and Phase One, on the other side, who is not only looking to keep and retain their customers but also foster "ambassadors" who are likely to refer or promote Capture One to other users.
Wonder why sometimes but, there we are...
Hi T,
Updates are often brought out for many reasons, not just for feature updates. Camera support, lens support, OS support. 8.3.4 primarily addressed those issues.
If we hadn't added support for El Capitan in v8 then we could come up wit the issues of those not wanting to upgrade to 9 (your choice of course) but not being compatible with the latest OS from Apple. Then of course you are 'forced' to upgrade for OS compatibility - you can probably imagine how popular that move would be.
D
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Hi all,
Read about the C1 9 release on DPReview over this past weekend. I guess the Phase One newsletter is sent to a select few, this despite me continually checking the check box for this service on the update page.
Hi,
You may want to check your Capture One preferences, the software can check for updates/upgrades automatically, and will inform you if something new is available.
Like quite a few others on this thread, I too upgraded to version 8 in late October - October 20 that is. What makes this "abrupt" release all the more bothersome, is that Phase One released a minor update after I had made this purchase .
I would rather see this as positive. They do not stop improving the current version you are running if something new is on its way.
I also agree with the sentiment that a fairer moratorium should be be offered to those who made a recent purchase or updated recently.
I agree that a slightly longer grace period would have been nice, but have you tried contacting Phase One directly, to see if something can be worked out ...? They may not want to publish it openly that they can modify the formal terms (where to pull the line in the sand, there is always someone who missed it by a day/week/month), but they are reasonable folks in the end.
Cheers,
Bart
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The whole subject of 'sharpening' (and I mean real sharpening, not simple edge or acutance enhancement) remains largely underdeveloped in most imaging applications.
With the very notable exception of Iridient Developper though.
Cheers,
Bernard
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@Bart
They may not want to publish it openly that they can modify the formal terms
Good point and all points taken in the spirit given. Without me whinging further, no issue with updating software - all for it. But, it was like, 8.3.4 came out and then, a few weeks later, we have a major release. A little "unexpected" for those of us "not in the loop" so to speak.
@David
If we hadn't added support for El Capitan in v8 then we could come up wit the issues of those not wanting to upgrade to 9...
Not entirely sure of the point being made here - apples and oranges and horses and carts? Would it not have been better for Phase One, in that tried and tested of fashion of "spin doctoring" come up with something to the effect that, "... issues, features and whatever will be addressed in the next major release", etc.? Yes, this will have everyone pandering as to when and what, etc. But, who cares? Most of us will have then be forewarned that there's a new version pending and yes, let's wait on for it. Nice for Phase One that it had a little gift come its way with the demise of Aperture and being presented with an opportunity to increase market share. Nothing wrong with making the push to make gains on that platform.
And, its not that I don't want to upgrade, I do. But, having just forked out for a previous upgrade and then, 6 weeks later, being asked to do much the same thing again is, as they say, a little rich.
No beef, just observations.
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Soooo, I'm a little frustrated, no, I take that back, I'm a lot frustrated. As a hobbyist, I don't have time to become a master of this software, but I have been using it for a number of years and have learned to do the things I need to do to process my images. In 7 I had everything dialed, when I imported images, my image naming preferences were applied and a sub folder was automatically created by date to import the images to. When I upgraded to 8, all of that setup was blown out, and I never did get back to where it was in 7. Last night I upgraded to 9 and now have a complete nightmare on my hands. Every time I open 9, it crashes as soon as the previews show up. It appears that 9 sees every 8 session folder as corrupt. I really believe C1 is a better raw converter than Lightroom, but I just don't have it in me to deal with the bugs continually. I'm running an 8 core Mac Pro on Yosemite. Anyone have any ideas? I did contact C1 support, but the response wasn't nearly what I was hoping for.
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I haven't been facing that issue with a very similar configuration (D700 GPU).
Have you tried disabling GPU acceleration?
Cheers,
Bernard