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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Colour Management => Topic started by: Ferp on November 26, 2015, 05:44:54 pm

Title: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: Ferp on November 26, 2015, 05:44:54 pm
Is there any Windows software that I can use to edit the internal profile name of an ICC/ICM profile?  That is, the name that Photoshop displays, which is often different to the file name? I don't mind buying something inexpensive, although it wouldn't be cost-effective to have to purchase one of the major profile creation programs, such as i1Profiler, just for this purpose.  I get the impression that this is easier on a Mac, although I'm not entirely sure about that.
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: hugowolf on November 26, 2015, 07:50:20 pm
ICC Profile Toolkit

Brian A
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: fdisilvestro on November 27, 2015, 04:06:46 am
You can do that directly in Photoshop.

EDIT - WARNING: As Rhossydd has pointed later in this thread, this technique will create a simple matrix profile, so it will not keep any additional data a printer profile usually has.

- Go to Edit -> Color Settings

- Select the color space from which you want to copy the settings, e.g. Adobe RGB (1998)

- Then with the same drop down used to select the color space, go to the first option "custom"

- In the next window write the name you want to appear in Photoshop

-Then again in the drop down select "save RGB" (should be the third option)

-In the dialog box writhe the file name,

-Now open a document and asssign / convert to the profile and it shows with the name you selected



Regards
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: howardm on November 27, 2015, 08:48:22 am
How does that  actually edit a full-up pprint profile vs. just creating a new custom editing colorspace which is not what the OP wants.  Yes, on the Mac, you can use the built-in Colorsync Utility.  Of course, Windows makes it that much harder ;)
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: Iliah on November 27, 2015, 08:48:39 am
What Brian said, ICC Profile Toolkit by Andrew Shepherd. http://www.tlbtlb.com/links/
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: Rhossydd on November 27, 2015, 11:20:05 am
You can do that directly in Photoshop.
That doesn't work.
All it does is create a custom working space profile. Do it to a print or display profile and you'll loose all the profile data, look at the file sizes for confirmation.

As others have said; Icctoolkit is the easy and free answer to this issue.

Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: digitaldog on November 27, 2015, 12:31:55 pm
How does that  actually edit a full-up pprint profile vs. just creating a new custom editing colorspace which is not what the OP wants.  Yes, on the Mac, you can use the built-in Colorsync Utility.  Of course, Windows makes it that much harder ;)
I know at least one color geek/scientist who suggested it's "better" (safer?) to rebuild the profile IF possible using the proper name than altering it using any such tools. He's the kind of fellow I never argue with (I just do what I want  :P ). Anyway, whatever technique you use, do test the profile before and after if you're at all paranoid like Dr. KL).
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: Rhossydd on November 27, 2015, 12:53:26 pm
I've used ICCtoolkit a lot and have never seen any detrimental side effects of changing the internal profile name.
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: digitaldog on November 27, 2015, 01:27:53 pm
I've used ICCtoolkit a lot and have never seen any detrimental side effects of changing the internal profile name.
I've done the same with the ColorSync utility but the fellow who warned me of this kind of editing leads me believe it's not a bad idea to trust but verify.
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: fdisilvestro on November 27, 2015, 03:50:29 pm
That doesn't work.
All it does is create a custom working space profile. Do it to a print or display profile and you'll loose all the profile data, look at the file sizes for confirmation.

As others have said; Icctoolkit is the easy and free answer to this issue.

Thanks for clarifying, you are absolutely right. I have modified my previous post to warn about this
Title: Re: Edit Internal Profile Name on Windows
Post by: Ferp on November 27, 2015, 05:33:33 pm
Thanks for the replies.  I don't know how I missed finding ICC Profile Toolkit.  Wasn't for want of searching.

I think the safest trick to editing would be not to increase the number of characters in the name, and perhaps keep the exact same name if at all possible.  It's just that some profile providers (e.g. Ilford) do not use very intuitive names.  I.e. impossible to recognise and decipher some time after they were downloaded and installed.

I had explored Frank's suggestion before the other replies, and it appeared to me that it did precisely what others have since confirmed it did.  So thanks for those confirmations.  Not at all what I wanted.