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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 07, 2015, 12:08:29 pm

Title: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 07, 2015, 12:08:29 pm
And it immediately caused me to think how beautifully it represents what art in photography is: what else is there, a rhapsody of shapes and forms, lines and patterns, tones and shades. Well, for me, at least:

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/l/t1.0-9/10178035_10153062439646574_1305405912349429459_n.jpg?oh=7b0b24c997fbe5febcee0314c233bf2d&oe=56F2E1FE)
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 07, 2015, 02:40:21 pm
You're sure that was by Ansel Adams and not Charles Addams?   :D

I agree with your comments. And I, too, thought I had seen everything by AA.

Where did you find this?
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 07, 2015, 02:49:53 pm
... Where did you find this?

There was a Facebook post by AA Gallery (https://www.facebook.com/69158596573/photos/a.123444916573.116596.69158596573/10153062439646574/?type=3&theater) on November 5.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 07, 2015, 05:58:17 pm
Now I can find lots of mentions of it under its title: "Ice on Ellery Lake, 1959".

One interesting mention: Christie's (Auction house) list a print of it as sale # 2691 of lot 303. Estimated price was $7,000 to $9,000.
And "Price Realized " was $25,000.

The sale was on 5 April 2013.

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/photographs/ansel-adams-ice-on-ellery-lake-sierra-5662528-details.aspx (http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/photographs/ansel-adams-ice-on-ellery-lake-sierra-5662528-details.aspx)
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 07, 2015, 10:32:34 pm
I guess that's another example of Ansel Adams taking a photograph from the roadside.
In what way does that affect the meaning/significance/value of the photograph?
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 08, 2015, 02:33:06 am
I guess that's another example of Ansel Adams taking a photograph from the roadside.

Huh!? Your point?
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: AreBee on November 08, 2015, 11:56:26 am
Slobodan,

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...what else is there, a rhapsody of shapes and forms, lines and patterns, tones and shades.

Collapsed depth.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 08, 2015, 12:57:55 pm
Collapsed depth.

You mean that a 3D reality was collapsed into a 2D one, without any attempt to create an illusion of 3D at least? A flattened and compressed perspective? Yes, there is that too.

"What else is there" is a part of one of my favorite quotes from Minor White, so much so that I included it, together with one from Socrates in the About (http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/about.html) (me) section on my website, as I believe those two quotes pretty much sum up my approach to photography.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: AreBee on November 08, 2015, 05:17:43 pm
Slobodan,

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You mean that a 3D reality was collapsed into a 2D one, without any attempt to create an illusion of 3D at least? A flattened and compressed perspective? Yes, there is that too.

Apparently you have answered your questions on my behalf.

Please don't speak on my behalf.

Were you satisfied with the answer you provided yourself?
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 08, 2015, 05:36:34 pm
...Please don't speak on my behalf...

Next time make it clearer what you mean. In the meantime, f off.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 08, 2015, 05:53:35 pm
"What else is there" is a part of one of my favorite quotes from Minor White, so much so that I included it, together with one from Socrates in the About (http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/about.html) (me) section on my website, as I believe those two quotes pretty much sum up my approach to photography.
Excellent choices.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Isaac on November 08, 2015, 06:02:56 pm
In what way does that affect the meaning/significance/value of the photograph?

In what way does it underscore the opportunities available to make photographs of meaning/significance/value?
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Christopher Sanderson on November 08, 2015, 06:29:40 pm
Locked.

And now unlocked as long as cooler tongues prevail...
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: AreBee on November 09, 2015, 11:40:22 am
Slobodan,

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Next time make it clearer what you mean. In the meantime, f off.

If there is a next time, consider yourself fortunate. In the meantime, I have more important issues to attend than to educate a person with a mouth like a sewer.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 09, 2015, 01:41:11 pm
Rob,

Without any hidden agenda, I'm curious just what your comment to SB meant. What do you mean by "collapsed depth?" And is it something you like or dislike about AAs photo?

Eric
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on November 09, 2015, 03:07:42 pm
You mean that a 3D reality was collapsed into a 2D one, without any attempt to create an illusion of 3D at least? A flattened and compressed perspective? Yes, there is that too.
Slobodan,

Apparently you have answered your questions on my behalf.

Please don't speak on my behalf.

Were you satisfied with the answer you provided yourself?


If there is a next time, consider yourself fortunate. In the meantime, I have more important issues to attend than to educate a person with a mouth like a sewer.

Your wildly intemperate response to Slobodan's perfectly inoffensive post, which even had a question mark in it, was highly provocative and conveyed nothing of note. Should there be a next time? Should we consider ourselves fortunate if there is? I suspect not.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 09, 2015, 07:06:32 pm
...I have more important issues to attend than to educate a person with a mouth like a sewer.

Prof. Higgins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_(play)) did wonders in that respect, so maybe worth a try?  ;)
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on November 10, 2015, 07:02:39 am
By present day standards, this photo would be "crap", as it has blocked shadows and burned highlights... go figure... I can almost hear the "DR brigade" saying it must have been shot with a Canon DSLR:)

Great photo BTW.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: SZRitter on November 10, 2015, 11:50:29 am
By present day standards, this photo would be "crap", as it has blocked shadows and burned highlights... go figure... I can almost hear the "DR brigade" saying it must have been shot with a Canon DSLR:)

Great photo BTW.

To be fair, we are looking at a translation of it on a screen, so there is also a possibility some of the blocked up shadows and burned highlights may have a bit more in them than we see here.

That said, I'm usually a fan of AA's work, but this to me, seems to lack something. I know Slobodan is a fan of the almost modernist (or would it be more post-modern) interpretation of the view, but I personally am not quite a fan of the framing. The bright white cutting it in two makes it feel as though the top and bottom are at odds with each other, rather than a harmony between the two areas. But that is just my interpretation.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: AreBee on November 11, 2015, 09:49:13 am
Eric,

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...What do you mean by "collapsed depth?"

Example (http://www.bumfuzzle.com/Pictures/Italy/Italy%20Leaning%20Tower%20of%20Pisa.JPG).

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...is it something you like or dislike about AAs photo?

The photo is effect for effect's sake.

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...of (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=105320.msg867258#msg867258)...

Oops.
Title: Re: Ansel's Photograph I've Never Seen Before
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 11, 2015, 10:29:36 am
...Example (http://www.bumfuzzle.com/Pictures/Italy/Italy%20Leaning%20Tower%20of%20Pisa.JPG)...

Fair enough, but how is that different from my interpretation of your two-word comment?