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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Theodoros on October 07, 2015, 11:09:13 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVfOe5mFbAE
It seems to me that Apple needs an urgent reaction to this....
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A bit late to the game: It's been a great solution for almost 2 years now.
https://kendoophotography.wordpress.com/2014/02/18/microsofts-surface-pro-2-a-game-changer-for-phase-one-iq-series-and-leaf-credo-medium-format-digital-backs/
Paul
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A bit late to the game: It's been a great solution for almost 2 years now.
https://kendoophotography.wordpress.com/2014/02/18/microsofts-surface-pro-2-a-game-changer-for-phase-one-iq-series-and-leaf-credo-medium-format-digital-backs/
Paul
Yeah, but that's a tablet.... This new one is an extremely powerful laptop computer
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Problem as always, at least IMO, is the keyboard. Does the keyboard come off? The tablets are not really tablets, they are running the full OS, basically they are fully functional laptops, just with the ability to remove the keyboard in the field, which is critical for mounting the unit. At least from my experience.
Paul
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extremely powerful laptop computer
and you know what is the exact model of CPU & dGPU there ?
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Problem as always, at least IMO, is the keyboard. Does the keyboard come off?
and did you bother see the video ?
(http://cdn.lowyat.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Microsoft-Surface-Book-Hands-On-21.jpg)
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and you know what is the exact model of CPU & dGPU there ?
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/devices/surface-book#techspec-block
However, the discreet GPU is in the keyboard, as are the USB ports, which makes this not so great for tethered use in the field.
The SP4 is a much better option for that.
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http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/devices/surface-book#techspec-block
However, the discreet GPU is in the keyboard, as are the USB ports, which makes this not so great for tethered use in the field.
The SP4 is a much better option for that.
so where do you see the "exact model of CPU & dGPU" there ? which exactly "NVIDIA GeForce Graphics Processor" ? and which exactly "6th Gen Intel® Core™ i5 or i7" ?
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http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/devices/surface-book#techspec-block
However, the discreet GPU is in the keyboard, as are the USB ports, which makes this not so great for tethered use in the field.
The SP4 is a much better option for that.
You can have the screen inverted on the keyboard case and still operate the computer from the screen's "touch" keyboard... Just have a soft cloth with you so that you can clean the fingerprints on that (amazing resolution) screen, often.
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so where do you see the "exact model of CPU & dGPU" there ? which exactly "NVIDIA GeForce Graphics Processor" ? and which exactly "6th Gen Intel® Core™ i5 or i7" ?
There is i5 and i7 versions....
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It's funny how the exact same thread takes completely different directions here and in getDPI.
Just want to thank ken doo and Paul Caldwell for their contributions to the thread.
I'm out.
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My major wonder is how accurately this screen calibrates and how good its anti-glare coating is... what is the up to now experience some have with the surface pros for calibration and anti-glare?
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There is i5 and i7 versions....
yes, and which models of i5 and i7 exactly ? that's the question - for example I am offered by M$ to preoder and yet, the seller does not disclose what is exactly that I am buying (not that I want to buy it, but still)
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and did you bother see the video ?
(http://cdn.lowyat.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Microsoft-Surface-Book-Hands-On-21.jpg)
No I have to say I did not watch the video. I have been tethering with both the S2 and S3 on IQ260 since late 2013, first on the S2 and then S3. Stayed with the S2 due to reasons I preferred.
If the video is showing the S4, then it's not anything new. I have seen the spec's. A bit more power and larger screen. May be possible to have a more laptop like feel, but the larger it gets the less ideal IMO it is for tethering in the field.
So far as I know, the S2 and S3, all have a removeable keyboard, the S3's is much better for daily use with a better touch feel for typing. However I find the S3 is just a bit big for tethering in the field and prefer the size of the S2 even with the extra weight.
My point is this just a continuance to a long line up of Surface products and tethering with them has been done since the first model, albeit it was not a good answer as it did not run a full version of the OS.
My other point is no single person besides Ken Doo has done more work on this subject. Ken has made all of his findings available to anyone and has shared all of the pros and cons of each solution. Ken has worked this solution to near brilliance with the last version and his notes are well worth the time to read. Just want to give credit where it's due.
Paul
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so where do you see the "exact model of CPU & dGPU" there ?
Other than being of the Skylake generation, there is no 'exact' CPU model-step number of the i3, i5, or i7 processor, or GPU, given (yet). But then the Surface Pro 4 itself is not available yet either.
Besides, does it matter? You are unlikely to be able and exchange the processor yourself (iFixit hasn't dissected one yet, and others also have limited low level details (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/hands-on-the-surface-pro-4-is-a-design-thats-settled-down/)), and Microsoft only offers a choice between some selected combinations (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Surface-Pro-4/productID.325711500/config.true) of processor, memory, and storage. So one is more likely to choose the model based on application, or budget, not on specific processor model code.
Also, comparing processors without the rest of it's support electronics is rather meaningless.
Cheers,
Bart
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Other than being of the Skylake generation, there is no 'exact' CPU model number of the i3, i5, or i7 processor, or GPU, given (yet). But then the Surface Pro 4 itself is not available yet either.
it is already available for preoder... that's the point.
So one is more likely to choose the model based on application, or budget, not on specific processor model code.
true, yet if you did not notice I asked the question when remark was made about "extremely powerful" so I was thinking what exactly makes it one
Also, comparing processors without the rest of it's support electronics is rather meaningless.
indication about dGPU model gives rather good idea about the level of performance in GPU enabled apps like C1 and yes, the exact chipset model for example are also good to know, but for a start it is good to know at least those details... but as usual if the manufacturer/seller prefers to hide the spec that means it is indeed a device for convenience of use only...
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It's funny how the exact same thread takes completely different directions here and in getDPI.
Just want to thank ken doo and Paul Caldwell for their contributions to the thread.
I'm out.
Good idea... I think I'll follow... too many that are not keen to discuss the tethering ability here although that is the subject under discussion. It's really funny it's always the same people that are the reason...
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it is already available for preoder... that's the point.
Why pre-order? Just wait till the specifics are known, and/or independent benchmarks have been run.
indication about dGPU model gives rather good idea about the level of performance in GPU enabled apps like C1 and yes, the exact chipset model for example are also good to know, but for a start it is good to know at least those details...
I disagree, it tells only a little, at best.
Didn't users report slower performance with GPU acceleration enabled in Lightroom (maybe it has improved after 2 updates)? That's how interdependent the infrastructure and specific software are, which makes it rather meaningless to compare on hardware specs of a single component alone.
Cheers,
Bart
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Ken and I were just discussing this. The screen detaches and can be reattached covering the keyboard (I watched the video). Weight might be an issue however we feel the manganic solution we’re currently using will be more than strong enough. Another aspect to this besides a killer screen is the 2-USB ports; one to the back and another to a lightweight external hard drive (my 2TB weighs around 8 oz). Might be something worth looking into.
Don
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Weight would be the big factor for me for a portable tethering solution and less fiddling around. SP 2/3/4 remains the better portable tethering choice for me.
But wow---the Surface Book does offer other capabilities/options. It's pretty too. Did Microsoft just shoot a warning shot across the Macbook Pro bow?
:)ken
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Weight would be the big factor for me for a portable tethering solution and less fiddling around. SP 2/3/4 remains the better portable tethering choice for me.
But wow---the Surface Book does offer other capabilities/options. It's pretty too. Did Microsoft just shoot a warning shot across the Macbook Pro bow?
:)ken
Many think that this is not just a "warning shot"... It looks like macbook pro has some catching to do and its best for Apple to answer this soon...
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If I have the specs correct on the surface book, the USB ports are on the keyboard? So to tether you would need the keyboard attached to the surface book. This not a great solution for tethering and clamping would eliminate wrapping the keyboard around behind the unit.
Surface pro 4 seems to have the same design as the 2 and 3 with ports on the tablet/screen.
Paul
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Couple of shots of the screen converted...
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Many think that this is not just a "warning shot"... It looks like macbook pro has some catching to do and its best for Apple to answer this soon...
Apple want to sell every fanboi one iMac, one MacBook Air, at least one iPad and an iPhone. Converged devices that cannibalize each other are not to their liking, look how long they took to bring out the iPad mini and the iPhone 6 Plus, which became instant bestsellers.
Edmund
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Does anyone know what the battery life is for the Surface Book in tablet mode? The MS site says 12 hrs but I suspect they mean in laptop mode only. I heard somewhere that the book has two batteries: one in the keyboard and one in the display.
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Does anyone know what the battery life is for the Surface Book in tablet mode? The MS site says 12 hrs but I suspect they mean in laptop mode only. I heard somewhere that the book has two batteries: one in the keyboard and one in the display.
In one of the videos I watched they said that it's 3 hours for the tablet part alone...
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In one of the videos I watched they said that it's 3 hours for the tablet part alone...
Ouch. That ain't gonna work. I'll stick with my CamRanger plus Ipad for now.
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Many think that this is not just a "warning shot"... It looks like macbook pro has some catching to do and its best for Apple to answer this soon...
Ever since I had a play with a [quite cheap] Windows laptop with a touch screen, using Mac laptops now feels a bit behind the curve.
Even if OSX isn't optimised for touch, people are so used to interacting with devices that way now it seems a bit like a non-touch screen device is crippled now. Not a desktop screen as that is too big/far away for comfortable touch input, but a laptop....
Am quite intrigued by this new laptop and have been impressed with earlier surfaces after a little play in shops. So curious to see if this or a MBP is my next laptop.