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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: william on October 07, 2015, 08:47:14 am

Title: "Lensing"?
Post by: william on October 07, 2015, 08:47:14 am
So I was reading an article in Variety (don't ask) and the following sentence jumped out at me:

"The pilot is set to begin lensing in New York City next week."

"Lensing"? Did I miss when that became a thing? I understand that, etymologically, "filming" is no longer technically accurate and "shooting" might be rejected as having violent connotations.  But "lensing"? I really hope that this is derived from the word for capturing images in some sexy language rather than just a random new word someone made up....
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: landscapephoto on October 07, 2015, 01:29:17 pm
<tongue in cheek modus on>

I prefer to call a lens: "objective". Therefore, the correct word would not be "lensing" but "objectifying". Now, if the subject is a female model, we could say that the photographer objectifies women.

<tongue in cheek modus off>
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: MattBurt on October 07, 2015, 01:32:37 pm
Never heard the term lensing. But I like objectifying! In fact I've been told I already do that! ;)
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: byarvin on October 07, 2015, 01:59:26 pm
Very Hollywood! Not just "lensing" but "lensman" for the person who does it. I remember making fun of this usage long ago buy suggesting that we coin "lenspersons" as well.
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: razrblck on October 07, 2015, 03:32:03 pm
May I suggest reading inspecting scrutinizing lettering something better?
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: JaapD on October 09, 2015, 01:59:55 am
Simple

When: Lensman <=> Photographer
Therefore: Lensing <=> Photographing

Don’t take these things too serious, right?
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on October 09, 2015, 02:55:33 am
Hi,

I would say, objectively speaking, that "lensing" implies less physical damage to the subject than "shooting".

Best regards
Erik


Simple

When: Lensman <=> Photographer
Therefore: Lensing <=> Photographing

Don’t take these things too serious, right?
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on October 09, 2015, 03:35:01 am
I would say, objectively speaking, that "lensing" implies less physical damage to the subject than "shooting".

Agree, but lensing is silly because it's the photons that make the image and we do not even need a lens for that, a pinhole will do.

Pinholing? Sounds too much like something NSFW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_safe_for_work) to me. ;)

Just a plain silly attempt at trying to be fashionably creative, like most Instagram hipsters.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: eronald on October 09, 2015, 07:51:01 am
So I was reading an article in Variety (don't ask) and the following sentence jumped out at me:

"The pilot is set to begin lensing in New York City next week."

"Lensing"? Did I miss when that became a thing? I understand that, etymologically, "filming" is no longer technically accurate and "shooting" might be rejected as having violent connotations.  But "lensing"? I really hope that this is derived from the word for capturing images in some sexy language rather than just a random new word someone made up....

This usage is standard industry reporting jargon. Been in use for at least 30 years and has nothing to do with digital. Another wonderful phrase is that the talent "emotes" rather than performs.

Edmund
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: Telecaster on October 09, 2015, 04:29:15 pm
Referring to actors as "talent" is another example of the same industry jargon. Makes clear how much filmmaking is a producer/director-centric endeavor.

-Dave-
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: D Fuller on October 09, 2015, 05:40:47 pm
This usage is standard industry reporting jargon. Been in use for at least 30 years and has nothing to do with digital. Another wonderful phrase is that the talent "emotes" rather than performs.

Edmund

True, this. But a I have never heard the term used outside of the motion picture world (am I wrong about this? Do some refer to "lensing a still shoot"?) I wonder, How does it relate to medium format?
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: JV on October 09, 2015, 06:17:05 pm
Variety does seem to create its own language:
http://variety.com/static-pages/slanguage-dictionary/

lense — to film a motion picture; “The project will lense in Rome and New York.”
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on October 10, 2015, 04:39:28 am
Variety does seem to create its own language:
http://variety.com/static-pages/slanguage-dictionary/

lense — to film a motion picture; “The project will lense in Rome and New York.”

Ah, so it's an invented slang verb, "to lense". What's wrong with 'Photography'? Not hip enough? Too ambiguous?

Thank goodness it has little to do with a "lens" (usually a transparent optical element that focuses rays of light), or an "objective" (a composite system of multiple lens elements nearest the object being viewed). At least that's what I've been taught.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: eronald on October 10, 2015, 07:46:30 am
Ah, so it's an invented slang verb, "to lense". What's wrong with 'Photography'? Not hip enough? Too ambiguous?

Thank goodness it has little to do with a "lens" (usually a transparent optical element that focuses rays of light), or an "objective" (a composite system of multiple lens elements nearest the object being viewed). At least that's what I've been taught.

Cheers,
Bart

The english verb is  "to film". But for me lense conjures up an image of an eye (http://invertebrates.si.edu/giant_squid/page4.html) ...

(http://invertebrates.si.edu/giant_squid/images/giantsquideye.jpg)

Edmund
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on October 10, 2015, 09:21:50 am
The english verb is  "to film". But for me lense conjures up an image of an eye (http://invertebrates.si.edu/giant_squid/page4.html) ...

Nice picture. But not all 'eyes' have lenses. Some have facets, others only detect light and dark and little detail. A lens is a means to focus. BTW, it's formally lens, not lense.

Photography, still means "writing with light" (from the Greek: photos (http://www.english-for-students.com/photo.html)=light, graphein (http://www.english-for-students.com/graph.html)=to write), and there is nothing wrong with that.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: ErikKaffehr on October 10, 2015, 11:23:36 am
Hi,

I guess that the producer/director lacks talent so they hope the person acting in front of the cameras has some?

Best regards
Erik

Referring to actors as "talent" is another example of the same industry jargon. Makes clear how much filmmaking is a producer/director-centric endeavor.

-Dave-
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: AreBee on October 10, 2015, 12:28:50 pm
Bart,

Quote
..."objective" (a composite system of multiple lens elements nearest the object being viewed)...

Several months ago I noticed that objective seems to be common parlance when discussing scopes (http://uk.swarovskioptik.com/nature/atx-stx-eyepiece-module-c21020102/65mm-objective-module-p5006348).
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on October 10, 2015, 02:40:59 pm
Bart,

Several months ago I noticed that objective seems to be common parlance when discussing scopes (http://uk.swarovskioptik.com/nature/atx-stx-eyepiece-module-c21020102/65mm-objective-module-p5006348).

Can imagine they do, it also allows to differentiate between an objective and an ocular (the eye piece at the eye side of the lens composite).

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: landscapephoto on October 10, 2015, 05:25:18 pm
Several months ago I noticed that objective seems to be common parlance when discussing scopes (http://uk.swarovskioptik.com/nature/atx-stx-eyepiece-module-c21020102/65mm-objective-module-p5006348).

Then, I thought that a "scope" was this:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Oscilloscope.jpg)
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: D Fuller on October 10, 2015, 10:08:52 pm
The english verb is  "to film". But for me lense conjures up ...

Edmund

And here, I suspect, is the source of the verb "to lens." When people started making movies without film being involved, the verb "to film," structly speaking, no longer described what was happening. You can still say "shoot," but that has other issues, and "to photograph" has never been used very much for motion picture work, even though the phrase "principal photography" or even just "photography" as a noun has been a regular part of the lexicon. Take film out of the process, and it becomes a linguistic muddle. "Sensoring" just doesn't have the right ring. "Rolling" is archaic. "Turning over" is even more archaic. "Filming" -- well, we've talked about that. "Recording" only really works for videotape, and that is scarcer than film these days. The only thing all the photographing devices have in common are lenses. So it turns out "lensing" has some appeal.

Pedantry has its price.  :)
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: RobertJ on October 10, 2015, 11:40:11 pm
The term is VERY old.

I'm more familiar with this term when people refer to which cinematographer is shooting a film.

For example:
- "Roger Deakins Lensing Blade Runner 2"
- "Pitt starred in the Deakins-lensed The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford"
- “Villeneuve has once again delivered an impeccably well-crafted film, not least in Deakins’ arresting lensing.”)

You get the point.
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: eronald on October 11, 2015, 04:08:56 am
Ah, no discussion is complete without its antique lovers :)

Edmund

Then, I thought that a "scope" was this:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Oscilloscope.jpg)
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: Chris Livsey on October 11, 2015, 04:15:28 am
I welcome the the verb, at least it shows an appreciation that the lens is more important than the camera.
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: eronald on October 11, 2015, 05:17:03 am
I welcome the the verb, at least it shows an appreciation that the lens is more important than the camera.

Aye, I eye your opinion with interest. :)

Cameras don't shoot people, people shoot people :)

Edmund
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: MarkL on October 15, 2015, 11:32:41 am
I've seen it used a lot in on fashion blogs and magazines: "<model> lensed by <photographer>"

I think it is a silly term because it is both unnecessary and sounds inaccurate since lensing conjures up telescoping or digiscoping rather than actually recording/capturing anything.
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: DucatiTerminator on October 15, 2015, 01:08:34 pm
Some of you need to get out more, lol. Just sayin'
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: D Fuller on October 15, 2015, 01:50:34 pm
Some of you need to get out more, lol. Just sayin'

LOL! 8)
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: MarkL on October 15, 2015, 03:05:40 pm
Some of you need to get out more, lol. Just sayin'

Get off my lawn!
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: DucatiTerminator on October 15, 2015, 06:22:16 pm
Get off my lawn!

Don't worry, I left my camera at home so you won't have to worry about being lensed, LOL. BTW, lovely furniture  ;)
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: NancyP on October 19, 2015, 06:13:56 pm
eronald, so, whose eyeball is that in the glass jar? Whale?
Title: Re: "Lensing"?
Post by: eronald on October 19, 2015, 11:00:52 pm
eronald, so, whose eyeball is that in the glass jar? Whale?

Nancy,

I think it is a Smithsonian Architeuthis sample. Mesonychoteuthis would, I expect, be substantially larger, here are some lenses:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/sci_nat_enl_1209550267/img/laun.jpg)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7374297.stm

Scary beasts :)

Edmund