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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Gulag on August 29, 2015, 02:38:44 pm
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"Last night we heard the best 'excuse' yet if you are caught with an Ashley Madison account, from Dan Loeb - "due diligence." Today, not to be outdone by a married hedge fund manager, Vice-President Joe Biden's son "Hunter" has unleashed his own set of excuses for member ship of the extramarital affairs website, as Breitbart reports - Biden thinks international agents, possibly Russian, who objected to his board membership with a Ukrainian gas company set up a fake account to discredit him. However, IP mapping suggests otherwise..."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-28/joe-bidens-son-blames-russian-agents-ashley-madison-profile
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If nothing else this episode provides a lovely opportunity for the self-righteous Puritans among us to get off on the foibles of other peoples' attempts to do…well, the same thing.
-Dave-
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I can understand the temptations, but to do it online? That's just dumbness, even more clearly defined than the infidelity!
Rob C
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It is amazing to think that millions of men (and apparently only a couple of thousand real women - other than AM employees pretending to be ones) thought that is a good idea (both cheating and doing it online).
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Ya gotta remember: the world's full of stupid people. We demonstrate that day after day. It's no surprising once you're beyond, say, fifteen.
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Otherwise intelligent men have a tendency to think with the other head. REALLY intelligent men know how to apologize to their spouses. Genius couples learn to keep pleasing each other and talking to each other about sex needs.
Ever was it thus. :D
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What the story reveals is what the true motive behind the US-financed coup in Ukraine was all about.
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Otherwise intelligent men have a tendency to think with the other head. REALLY intelligent men know how to apologize to their spouses. Genius couples learn to keep pleasing each other and talking to each other about sex needs.
Ever was it thus. :D
I wonder; some things are best just done and not discussed. No amount of hot air about the Gioconda would have created her - the man just went ahead and did it.
So much in life is instinctive and for good, natural reasons. Lying in a bed somewhere and trying to have a conversation about sex strikes me as the one sure way of avoiding having it.
Rob
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Ya gotta remember: the world's full of stupid people. We demonstrate that day after day. It's no surprising once you're beyond, say, fifteen.
What the internet does is allow myriad new ways of demonstrating that stupidity, so much so in fact that it becomes quite unremarkable and we need to consider just what is now meant by the word.
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Otherwise intelligent men have a tendency to think with the other head. REALLY intelligent men know how to apologize to their spouses. Genius couples learn to keep pleasing each other and talking to each other about sex needs.
Ever was it thus. :D
Ah, the eternal quest for the perfect man but it would appear that there are more men seeking the perfect woman.
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We have to remember that despite all the money we invest in education; almost half the population is still below average.
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In fact, exactly half the population is below average.
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True. And if you think that's scary, consider this. Fifty percent of all physicians graduated in the bottom half of their class. ;)
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Exactly! And we hope their average is a hell of a lot higher than the general, incredibly low average.
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To quote the late and great George Carlin concerning people
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ;D
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I don't want to think about it.
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I don't want to think about it.
Worse yet, they vote. :o :o :o
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Worse yet, they vote. :o :o :o
And in Scotland, some insist it's wise to do so at sixteen. True; easier to bribe 'em: one pair of branded trainers should do it; no long-term 'benefits' required - at first.
Rob
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And if they extend that to the U.S., Kanye West will president in 2020 (http://www.glamour.com/inspired/blogs/the-conversation/2015/08/kanye-west-president-2020) :(
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Worse yet, they vote. :o :o :o
anybody who is or was on gov't money (inmates, retirees, federal employees of any kind, or evens state or municipal etc) shall be prohibited from voting (for life) :D ...
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And if they extend that to the U.S., Kanye West will president in 2020 (http://www.glamour.com/inspired/blogs/the-conversation/2015/08/kanye-west-president-2020) :(
Time for Lunchbucket Joe to run, Slobodan. 100% of political cartoonists want him to jump into the race.
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anybody who is or was on gov't money (inmates, retirees, federal employees of any kind, or evens state or municipal etc) shall be prohibited from voting (for life) :D ...
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
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I think they figured that out in 1933, when FDR became president.
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"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
Over here, Gordon Brown spent years first as Chancellor and then as Prime Minister trying to do just that, to establish a client population who would "always keep a hold of Nurse / For fear of finding something worse", who wouldn't dare to vote anything but Labour.
And much good it did him in 2010. Perhaps the population aren't, collectively, quite as dim as we (including I) sometimes think.
Jeremy
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Yeah, when the voting public are demagogued & propagandized into voting for one's preferred party it's because they're smart.
-Dave-
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Yeah, when the voting public are demagogued & propagandized into voting for one's preferred party it's because they're smart.
-Dave-
No, Dave, that's too broad and cynical. It doesn't take a lot of thought to realise that some systems can't be afforded. Well, not unless taxation rises to the level where nobody is better off than anyone else, but everyone lives in the same council-provided home as everyone else. They even run tv paint commercials in the UK where exactly that life concept is the norm, and then someone comes up with the idea of colour...
There are squatter 'protest' camps outside the nuclear submarine base on the west coast of Scotland. I watched a brief encounter on tv a day or so ago where the young person speaking, so, so earnestly, told the world that the 'bomb' was useless. Clearly, she didn't live through the Cuba crisis, and she never understood that the threat of mutual destruction was all that prevented the USSR from continuing along its path. As obviously, she fails to understand the problem with Iran and will think of it from an equally skewed perspective.
So no, I think it isn't about 'my' party, but, clinically, whether the options offered make economic sense or are simply blatant bribes.
Rob
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Over here, Gordon Brown spent years first as Chancellor and then as Prime Minister trying to do just that, to establish a client population who would "always keep a hold of Nurse / For fear of finding something worse", who wouldn't dare to vote anything but Labour.
And much good it did him in 2010. Perhaps the population aren't, collectively, quite as dim as we (including I) sometimes think.
Jeremy
And of course there has never been a Tory chancellor or prime minister that's ever tried such a thing?
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No, Dave, that's too broad and cynical. It doesn't take a lot of thought to realise that some systems can't be afforded. Well, not unless taxation rises to the level where nobody is better off than anyone else, but everyone lives in the same council-provided home as everyone else. They even run tv paint commercials in the UK where exactly that life concept is the norm, and then someone comes up with the idea of colour...
There are squatter 'protest' camps outside the nuclear submarine base on the west coast of Scotland. I watched a brief encounter on tv a day or so ago where the young person speaking, so, so earnestly, told the world that the 'bomb' was useless. Clearly, she didn't live through the Cuba crisis, and she never understood that the threat of mutual destruction was all that prevented the USSR from continuing along its path. As obviously, she fails to understand the problem with Iran and will think of it from an equally skewed perspective.
So no, I think it isn't about 'my' party, but, clinically, whether the options offered make economic sense or are simply blatant bribes.
Rob
In hindsight the Cuba Crisis might not be all it was portrayed as for there is intriguing reason to believe that the US knew very well that Russian Missiles didn't actually work.
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And of course there has never been a Tory chancellor or prime minister that's ever tried such a thing?
No. Can't be done: different target population.
And even if it could and there had been, what's your point, other than bolstering mine?
Jeremy
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In hindsight the Cuba Crisis might not be all it was portrayed as for there is intriguing reason to believe that the US knew very well that Russian Missiles didn't actually work.
Hey, boys and girls: we have a conspiracy theorist among us.
Jeremy
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No, Dave, that's too broad and cynical.
Rob, my sour quip was (intended to be) non-partisan. My attitude toward the entire enterprise of politics is, and has been for a long time, one of abject contempt. It takes most of the worst aspects of human nature and amplifies them. It's the large-scale sheep herder. The sociopath Magnet Supreme. The Great Crassifier. We may not be capable of doing any better, but that doesn't mean what we've come up with is any good. IMO.
All the good things I've experienced in my life—people, places, knowledge, creativity, art—have had eff all to do with political parties or movements.
-Dave-
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You may think so, Dave, but you need to think again. Suppose you'd been born in China during the reign of Mao, or born in Germany during the reign of Hitler. There are plenty of other examples if you slide on back in history. You've been fortunate enough to live in a country where politics has protected you from the really down side of life. Yeah, the face of politics is damned messy, and it's full of crap and crappy people, but as Churchill said, (he admitted it wasn't original with him): “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” It's politics that's made it possible for you to experience in your life—people, places, knowledge, creativity.
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It is worth noting that political parties exist for a sole reason: to represent and protect interests of their constituents. Not to work for common good (whatever that is), nor to bring out the best in people ((whatever that is). Nor to elect the best people based on their impeccable character and unchallenged integrity, but best people capable of protecting interests of the constituents. Expecting that politicians exist to do "what's best for the whole country" is a dangerous illusion. The best a democratic society can do is to provide enough checks and balances to prevent one social group to impose its own interests to the rest under the guise of "common good."
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Thing is, I do find a few socialist ideas around some essential industry appealing, but know that they have to fail for very simple reasons: inability of government, of any colour, to intervene strongly in union disputes where they involve, for example, things such as rail, power, water, medicine and public servant-based functions. Those people go on strike, and the country stops. That makes any government too liable to voter anger, regardless of where the causes and real responsibility might lie. Better some of those services remain in private hands if only to let the inevitable problems and blame belong to the private sector!
Because of that union power, I think socialism ironically finds its worst enemy within its own natural voter base.
Rob C
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Those people go on strike
when public services employees go on strike (demanding something from society, instead of making a point by resigning and moving on) I suggest the society withheld its services to them in return, all public services that is... eye for an eye :D
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It is worth noting that political parties exist for a sole reason: to represent and protect interests of their constituents.
only if by constituents you mean donors/lobbyists and paid party officials (apparatchiki).
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Russian Missiles didn't actually work.
they worked, but there were few of them...
you might want to read this book = http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4110/vol3.pdf
this is the real story of what we had and what we did not have - NASA translated it because of who that person was (vol 1, 2, 4 are also available)... read it
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only if by constituents you mean donors/lobbyists and paid party officials (apparatchiki).
That is not what I meant. Before those even come into the picture, a group of people with common interests come together to form a party. Some of them might be donors or future donors, granted.
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That is not what I meant. Before those even come into the picture, a group of people with common interests come together to form a party. Some of them might be donors or future donors, granted.
those stages are in the distant path nowadays, nowadays even in the countries where new parties emerge they are product of splinter party officials mostly... or too radical for mainstream being either ultra left or ultra right
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those stages are in the distant path past...
I was pointing out the origin and essence of political parties. Most traditional democracies are still having parties originating in that distant past. New democracies (or new parties in old democracies) might differ in the beginning in the sense that the tail wags the dog, but even those need to find a base whose interests align with the new party or the party won't last long.
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Oh dear, it seems that I am now a card carrying communist conspiracy theorist. Is there no end to my wickedness?
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In hindsight the Cuba Crisis might not be all it was portrayed as for there is intriguing reason to believe that the US knew very well that Russian Missiles didn't actually work.
Must have been designed by the same people who later designed digital auto-exposure systems ;)
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but even those need to find a base whose interests align with the new party or the party won't last long.
search for a base (as opposite to serving the special interests) is since long replaced by scare tactics and dirt searching (look, those Dems are selling us to commies... look, those GOPs are out to take you off welfare... look, this dude slept with ... and this with ... and this used an N-word 50 years ago...)
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Must have been designed by the same people who later designed digital auto-exposure systems ;)
everything manual & spot metered !!!
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Must have been designed by the same people who later designed digital auto-exposure systems ;)
There is, I suppose, that possibility.
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search for a base (as opposite to serving the special interests)...
Special interests are a legitimate part of the interests I was talking about. Special interests are mostly used as a derogatory term, as opposed to the lofty "common" interests. The thing is, other than national defense against an attack by a foreign enemy and the elementary survival of a society, there aren't too many other common interests. Any attempt of one part of society to impose its system of interests, believes and values as "common," right, having a higher moral value, etc., as is the case with the current PC attacks, inevitably and ultimately leads to totalitarianism.
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The things is, other than national defense against an attack by a foreign enemy and the elementary survival of a society, there aren't too many other common interests.
that's debatable... taxes are for example, but you can't put into " the elementary survival of a society " category
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You may think so, Dave, but you need to think again. Suppose you'd been born in China during the reign of Mao, or born in Germany during the reign of Hitler. There are plenty of other examples if you slide on back in history.
IMO you're conflating politics and government. Two different things. Less destructive versions of the latter are indeed better than more destructive versions. The former, though, is IMO inevitably a cesspool. A "good" form of government is one, also IMO, that can—more often than not—withstand the inherently corrosive nature of politics without giving in to authoritarian or anarchic temptations. Human nature being what it is, these temptations are constant and so "good" government is often a matter of good luck.
I don't think in political terms, where one's chosen party is Good and its members Smart while the others and their members are varying degrees of Bad & Stupid. ??? I vote but I do not participate.
-Dave-
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A "good" form of government is one, also IMO, that can—more often than not—withstand the inherently corrosive nature of politics without giving in to authoritarian or anarchic temptations. Human nature being what it is, these temptations are constant and so "good" government is often a matter of good luck.
What you just described is, by definition, effective politics.
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Special interests are a legitimate part of the interests I was talking about. Special interests are mostly used as a derogatory term, as opposed to the lofty "common" interests. The things is, other than national defense against an attack by a foreign enemy and the elementary survival of a society, there aren't too many other common interests. Any attempt of one part of society to impose its system of interests, believes and values as "common," right, having a higher moral value, etc., as is the case with the current PC attacks, inevitably and ultimately leads to totalitarianism.
I pretty much agree with this. The Left & Right are mirror images of each other. Each seeks to amplify what it values and suppress (or eliminate) what it doesn't. Each venerates dogma and disparages curiosity. Each is intolerant of unwelcome information. Each has a strong proselytic impulse. Each is prone to conspiracy theorizing. Each embraces "lying your way to the Truth." Each has a narrative in which it eventually triumphs in finality over the other.
-Dave-
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What you just described is, by definition, effective politics.
Effective government. In theory politics could be a much more grown up affair than it is. In practice we're likely stuck with the best we can do given who & what we are. IMO this doesn't mean it deserves any regard or that we deserve any regard for creating it. One can accept without embracing…in fact I've found this to be a good & effective approach to all manner of things. Kills utopian/dystopian impulses dead.
-Dave-
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Dave, I think you need to look up the definition of "politics."
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Dave, I think you need to look up the definition of "politics."
It helps to understand the root of the word politics. Poly is a greek word meaning many and tick is a blood-sucking arachnid.
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A good one, Dave :)
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No. Can't be done: different target population.
And even if it could and there had been, what's your point, other than bolstering mine?
Jeremy
So Maggie's attempts at bribing the population by flogging them the family silver on the cheap was not an attempt to write Labour off the political map?
Where did she end her days BTW?
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they worked, but there were few of them...
you might want to read this book = http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4110/vol3.pdf
this is the real story of what we had and what we did not have - NASA translated it because of who that person was (vol 1, 2, 4 are also available)... read it
Yes sir!
On the other hand you could kindly condense its contents and give us a synopsis if you have a point to make.
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Where did she end her days BTW?
With dementia; so that makes your day? Your humanity kills me.
Rob C
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With dementia; so that makes your day? Your humanity kills me.
Rob C
Not just my humanity but that of the party (and family) which professed to adore her yet left her abandoned, alone, in a hotel room.
I think perhaps you should consider again where you direct such a superficial barb.
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Not just my humanity but that of the party (and family) which professed to adore her yet left her abandoned, alone, in a hotel room.
Does this qualify as spin or propaganda ?
She ended her days, as you so quaintly put it, as a guest of her long time patrons the Barclay brothers in the Ritz Hotel, Piccadilly, where there was enough staff on a 24 hour basis to care for her and respond in case of emergency.
Chester Square, SW1 with it's 4 floors was no longer suitable for a woman in the later stages of ill-health.
Can't exactly say that she moved from a slum to an Earl's Court bedsit.
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Does this qualify as spin or propaganda ?
She ended her days, as you so quaintly put it, as a guest of her long time patrons the Barclay brothers in the Ritz Hotel, Piccadilly, where there was enough staff on a 24 hour basis to care for her and respond in case of emergency.
Chester Square, SW1 with it's 4 floors was no longer suitable for a woman in the later stages of ill-health.
Can't exactly say that she moved from a slum to an Earl's Court bedsit.
Spin.
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As an Australian I don't care about Joe Biden's Son. However, the push from American politics disturbs me. I wish the Swiss could have more power over what we think!
Cheers,
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As an Australian I don't care about Joe Biden's Son. However, the push from American politics disturbs me. I wish the Swiss could have more power over what we think!
Cheers,
"Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce?" The cuckoo clock.(Harry Lime)
Peter
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Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce?" The cuckoo clock.
The United States has this dysfunctional political system that has spread throughout the world. Please save me!
Cheers,
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Dysfunctional!? How can something that results in the mightiest country on Earth be considered dysfunctional? You don't have to like it, but... "dysfunctional"!?
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1 So Maggie's attempts at bribing the population by flogging them the family silver on the cheap was not an attempt to write Labour off the political map?
2 Where did she end her days BTW?
3 Not just my humanity but that of the party (and family) which professed to adore her yet left her abandoned, alone, in a hotel room.
4 I think perhaps you should consider again where you direct such a superficial barb.
I quoted you above, Justin; I reply to your points below.
1 That was a positive decision to spread the joys of home-ownership; what wasn't was your own Brown sweetheart's ahieved ploy of selling off the huge part of Britain's gold when the market for that commodity was on its knees: well, par for the socialist business ethic, as they have proven time after time, which was why nobody was in the least surprised that it happened..
2 I replied to your spite some few posts ago.
3 Have you ever dealt with dementia in someone you love, and to whom you owe life?' I have.
4 I'm sorry that class hatred, hatred of Matrix metering, hatred of almost anything that works and is/has been successful turned you blind. However, there's hope: with your points 2 and 4 together, you have demonstrated you still retain enough vision to score the best own-goal of the current LuLa season.
I congratulate you.
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Rob.
As you know I am aware that you have suffered a great loss in your life and with that I genuinely sympathise, but may I ask that you do not focus your grief upon one particular individual with which you may take issue on other matters.
For me this thread is closed, I shall say no more.
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Rob.
As you know I am aware that you have suffered a great loss in your life and with that I genuinely sympathise, but may I ask that you do not focus your grief upon one particular individual with which you may take issue on other matters.
For me this thread is closed, I shall say no more.
No, you don't know the person to whom I refer. My wife was another situation altogether.
I speak about dementia, not cancer, hence the relationship of the discussion to the Mrs Thatcher situation.
You attract whatever hostility comes your way perfectly well on your own merits; my family has nothing to do with it.
Rob C
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"Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce?" The cuckoo clock.(Harry Lime)
Peter
Exactly!
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"Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce?" The cuckoo clock.(Harry Lime)
Not to mention poking holes in our idea of cheese ;)
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Speaking about "dysfunctional" American system, by coincidence I've come across this today:
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1 That was a positive decision to spread the joys of home-ownership;
Trouble is Rob, little or none of the proceeds from council house ( public housing ) sales went into building new housing stock which the UK could really do with. Rent & house prices rose because of the lack of supply & now it's extremely difficult for most people under about 35 to partake in the 'joys of home-ownership'. Instead they'll spend their lives paying exorbitant rents for poorly maintained accomodation to landlords a generation older than themselves who got their hands on property during easier times. ( & what a bloody smug generation they are ).
( Disclosure: I'm 52, working class, have close family members who bought their own council houses. My other half & I actually own an ex council house ).
Nice to have you back and am enjoying the photos you're posting.
Take care.
Graeme
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Trouble is Rob, little or none of the proceeds from council house ( public housing ) sales went into building new housing stock which the UK could really do with. Rent & house prices rose because of the lack of supply & now it's extremely difficult for most people under about 35 to partake in the 'joys of home-ownership'. Instead they'll spend their lives paying exorbitant rents for poorly maintained accomodation to landlords a generation older than themselves who got their hands on property during easier times. ( & what a bloody smug generation they are ).
( Disclosure: I'm 52, working class, have close family members who bought their own council houses. My other half & I actually own an ex council house ).
Nice to have you back and am enjoying the photos you're posting.
Take care.
Graeme
Thank you for the welcome back! Posting photos is nice (for me, at least) because it gives them a bit of exercise which they wouldn't otherwise get outwith my website. I don't get enough exercise, and even though I know my life depends on my getting it, other aspects of living get in the way; imagine the poor snaps: they depend on me!
Now, regarding the thing about home-purchasing: where the return from such sales goes I can't honestly say because I simply don't know, and I wonder if anyone even in government, really, really knows. I suspect it works just as with the road tax (which family tells me is now a different ballgame to what it used to be) where one would expect the money raised to be reinvested solely in, well, roads, but isn't.
In one of several nutshells, I think the underlying problem is that we all are, as citizens of developed countries, expecting too much from all political parties, and conveniently forgetting that every last item has got to be paid for by someone. That inevitably raises the question of who is able to be fleeced more. You can't get blood from a stone, so the juicy alternatives are there to hang out and dry. No wonder they try to protect themselves.
Landlords. My granddaughter is reading medicine in Edinburgh, but family lives in Glasgow. Long-term tenure for her and her fellow flat-dwellers in Edinburgh is a difficult one. Every year, come Festival time, they all get chucked out onto the street for the duration so that the owners can rent out at extortionate rates to the tourists; imagine the chaos, inconvenience and expense of removing all their property back home and then back to somewhere else...
The only possible future for all of these things is the London example, where salaries rocket simply to allow people to make enough money to enable them to hold a job whilst having to spend hours a day in trains just to get there and back. And the more people we get the worse it becomes. I think that's probably more the cause for anti-immigrant growth than colour or language: the fear of being finally crushed to death in a world that physically comes to a gridlocked halt. I remember an afternoon in Glasgow, where I had an appointment with a client. I arrived before time, as normal, and circled and circled without finding a meter or space. I had to go back home and 'phone my apology. That was about 36 years ago! I shudder to think of now.
Ciao,
Rob
P.S.
Regarding my parking problem lo those many years ago: a cellphone would have been a wonderful device to keep a client up to speed! So some modern inventions have uses.
P.P.S.
I timed-out again sending this post before I reached the first P.S. I didn't have to rewrite: I discovered that I could simply copy and then re-login and paste. For me, that's rocket science!
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See attached pic from this afternoon's delightful walk in my favorite nearby park.
-Dave-
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... The best a democratic society can do is to provide enough checks and balances to prevent one social group to impose its own interests to the rest under the guise of "common good."
Too bad this excellent concept has been taken prisoner by the PC police.
Rand
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Too bad this excellent concept has been taken prisoner by the PC police.
Rand
Yes, and that, a far as I can remember, seemed to start somewhere in the early 70s... I believe it's genesis was born of a society where children were given too much too soon and too easily. Get hordes of rich, spoiled young things running around campuses, out of their minds on weed, and a balanced sense of life gets washed away under a tide of 'entitlement', airy ideals of equality (when even siblings are usually so different in their capabilties) and a horror of standing out, of imitating that poor old elongated poppy lest the short ones feel bad.
Truth is, some of us make a better job of life than others. You can't legislate for that, however convenient it might be to pretend otherwise. Some folks are truly saints where others smell of brimstone. It's a bag of assorted nuts; you have to jostle for your level within that bag.
What always comes to my mind when I think of PC is the blindness to the obvious double-standard: you can be a white Briton, be called a Brit and feel perfectly happy and comfortable with the abbreviation. Should your skin be brown (something to which all of us white people aspire every summer simply because it generally looks much nicer), and should you be a Pakistani, then for some reason, to be called a Paki, which is nothing more and nothing less than an abbreviation of the full name, becomes an insult! You see what I mean? Reality is hi-jacked and made slave to a crazed political take on life.
Humour gets the same treatment, and whilst I dislike jokes about disabilities, there's no denying that many of them are actually hilarious, even if in dreadful taste. It just depends whether the teller has the sense not to make them in front of anyone so afflicted, when rather than funny it becomes painful and also very embarrassing.
Worst of all is when PC becomes enshrined in law, and specific subjects are untouchable. Now that is totalitarianism.
Rob
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... I don't think in political terms, where one's chosen party is Good and its members Smart while the others and their members are varying degrees of Bad & Stupid. ??? I vote but I do not participate.
Speaking about smart, stupid, and participation ;)
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"Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce?" The cuckoo clock.
The United States has this dysfunctional political system that has spread throughout the world. Please save me!"
Recent posts have just proven my point!
Cheers,