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Equipment & Techniques => Computers & Peripherals => Topic started by: Jimbo57 on July 29, 2015, 05:05:28 am
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As above..........
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As above..........
Obviously this is not DPreview. So free software / OS upgrades are treated with respect here ..., if even mentioned. ;)
Cheers,
Bart
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The OS rollout is not available to everyone immediately.
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I'm staying on Win7 but building a new workstation that will be running Win8.1. I'm not upgrading for at least 6-8 months if that. I'm dissatisfied with the lack of control on Windows updates (MSFT is forcing all updates on Win 10).
Alan
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I'm dissatisfied with the lack of control on Windows updates (MSFT is forcing all updates on Win 10).
even for a 'Pro' version ? I did not follow the matter ...
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Obviously this is not DPreview.
Thank goodness for that!
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even for a 'Pro' version ? I did not follow the matter ...
Yes, that's my understanding. There has been a feature in the test version to control updates and there was a major failure with NVIDIA GPUs a couple of weeks ago that necessitated this. I don't mind the MSFT security updates being done automatically as I have that configured in my Win7 workstation. I don't allow any device dependent updates to be installed at all. This is the aspect that has me most worried with Win10.
There are lots of instructive comments over on overclock.net
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I'm going for it, going to install it on my laptop.
I have the existing operating system and apps backed up on my USB HDD using Acronis and I have a bootable USB stick with Acronis recovery on it. Soooo if the worst comes to the worst it should be a simple matter of restoring Win 8.1. I've used Acronis before to clone disks etc, it's very good.
Paul
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I installed Windows 10 on my Wacom Cintiq Companion and it works wonderfully. The OS is much more responsive, the computer faster and it seemed to fix the finicky WiFi I was experiencing with Window 8.1 Pro.
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Anyone have any issues with scsi after upgrading? Scsi works perfectly on my w7 machine with VueScan and a Minolta multi pro and don't want it to break.
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Anyone have any issues with scsi after upgrading? Scsi works perfectly on my w7 machine with VueScan and a Minolta multi pro and don't want it to break.
Hi,
Have you checked with the manufacturer of your SCSI card (e.g. Adaptec (https://www.adaptec.com/en-us/downloads/)?)? Maybe they have driver updates if necessary, or you could ask them directly. Surely they would be the first to get issues reported, if it was not already known before the release of Win 10.
Cheers,
Bart
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The Ars Technica "Gadgets" section (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/) is probably a better place for OS upgrade user reviews and comments than here, except for questions specific to photographic usage. As tech. sites go, it seems to have a _relatively_ knowledgeable and OS-neutral air. Of course, filter for the usual fact that problems get posted about far more than uneventful updates.
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I upgraded last night from Win 7 Pro to Win 10 Pro. I had my Nikon Coolscan ED V scanner working with Nikon Scan on Win 7 using hacked drivers I found on the web. Win 10 installation broke this so my scanner is not seen. I downloaded the Silverfast 8.5 demo and it installed the correct drivers. Nikon Scan now works.
I had to reinstall the Epson drivers for my Perfection V750 pro scanner. My licensed installation of Silverfast 6.6 for that scanner got carried over in the upgrade and seems to work properly.
My monitor profile wasn't being loaded by DisplGUI. DisplGUI informed me an update was available so I did that and now seems to work properly.
My Nvidia GT730 display card wasn't identified properly at first and the latest Nvidia drivers would not install. After fussing around in Device Manager with "update driver" it finally was identified properly and the Nvidia drivers installed.
Allan
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I upgraded last night and Win 10 doesn't recognize my NEC PA241. I downloaded the latest driver, but still no recognition. Does anyone know if NEC will update their drivers soon? Otherwise, I am dealing with the usual Microsoft tendency to default to their apps. I had to open Adobe Reader and change it to the default for PDF docs to avoid having them open in Edge.
Lightroom CC opens just fine, but seems to be somewhat slower than in Win 7. Haven't had a chance to check my print drivers.
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It seems that people running Win 7 or 8 can download Win 10 for free. Win XP users will have to pay. Everything I have read seems to agree that Win 10 is a thoroughly tested and worthwhile upgrade (unlike the malodorous Win 8). The personal assistant (similar to Siri) and the new browser get particularly high praise. However, this does not speak to how well it plays with our photography apps.
I might try Win 10 on my everyday computer but for my photo system I am staying with 7.
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I upgraded last night and Win 10 doesn't recognize my NEC PA241. I downloaded the latest driver, but still no recognition. Does anyone know if NEC will update their drivers soon?
You connect a USB cable for communication? I had the same issue a few years ago on the Mac, you have to use the USB cable for communications to and from the display.
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Hi,
After reding the original message I upgraded to WIndows 10.
So far the upgrade took 1 hour. The upgrade did not respect certain previous configuration I had on Win 8 like
now X-Rite software is telling me that my profile is too old having just made a new calibration 2 days ago. ( I just hope that the profiling software does work on Win 10)
Adobe Photoshop Elements 13 does not work
Adobe Premiere Elements 13 works
Capture One Pro v8.x.x works
Fast Raw Viewer works
Photomatix works
Canons DPP works
Finding how to do adjustments is now more difficult then in Win 8
That is so far what I have seen ...
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Just made a new calibration and all went perfect.
;)
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Someone once said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." What's your computer for - processing photos and making prints? Or are you obsessed with having the latest of everything even if it does not improve your photographic work? Ooo ooh, a new iPhone!!
My Win 7 system runs Lightroom, Photoshop, and a few other photo apps fast and totally without errors or crashes. I would upgrade to a new OS because ... why?
Do what's best for you.
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I installed extra SSD drive in my PC notebook and put a fresh W10Pro installation there - I can switch through BIOS between two SSD bootable drives to use either 8.1 or 10 now and use my other HDD with the data/raws/etc in both setups... that way I can gradually study the new OS and migrate applications... so far my 2 most beloved apps that make life easier (they help me to get rid of the new UI as much as possible) do work in W10 (as they did w/ 8.1) = http://www.classicshell.net and http://www.yamicsoft.com/windows10manager/index.html
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Someone once said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
......and it is often quoted!
But it just has to be the stupidest, most inane, cliché ever spouted. Think about it - if we only tried to fix what was broken, then we would never attempt to improve what works well. In other words, there would be no progress, either technologically or artistically.
Enjoy painting on the walls of your cave!
:)
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Someone once said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." What's your computer for - processing photos and making prints? Or are you obsessed with having the latest of everything even if it does not improve your photographic work? Ooo ooh, a new iPhone!!
My Win 7 system runs Lightroom, Photoshop, and a few other photo apps fast and totally without errors or crashes. I would upgrade to a new OS because ... why?
Do what's best for you.
Hi Peter,
Do not worry and be happy. If you do not want to participate in this run for the latest, it is OK, nobody will say anything. Everybody does what he likes to do.
So what is the problem for you ? Your hardware and everything works. Great for you ... I respect your way of thinking but then also please respect MY way of thinking and if you get upset because you think that People are asking you for helping to solve their problems, YOU are wrong Peter ...
If you do not want to help it is absolutely OK, but stop trying to impose your way of thinking on other people ... and yes you wrote " Do what's best for you " Yes we are doing it ¿ and ?
If there would not be an Idiot and Stupid Guy like me upgrading to the latest software due to curiosity and perhaps getting something better, there would perhaps be no evolution ¿?
Now solving my problem with Adobe Photoshop Elements 13 is MY Problem and not your Problem, so where is the Problem ?
Saludos from an Idiot because of wanting the latest ...
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I've just purchased a new system to replace my 6yr old i7 920 pc on win7 64. My machine was well setup and ran great. However, age was catching up even with ssds and 24gb of ram. I backed up the disks and partitions onto 4 separate external drives in case I suffered failures during the migration.
My new machine was bought and installed with Win 8.1 Pro onboard with the free upgrade also factored in. It took me just over two days to migrate to the new machine and restore all my settings, drivers and profiles I had built.
Once I was satisfied that 8.1 pro was setup correctly, I decided that since it was new and downtime was being factored into the upgrade that I may as well bite the bullet and do the upgrade. I downloaded the iso and ran it from within 8.1. A half hr later, I was up and running.
The first issue was my NEC MultiSync LCD2690WUXi2 and Eizo CG277 weren't recognised correctly. I have a Quadro K2200 video card. I went to the nvidia site, updated to the latest driver and that was solved.
My 2nd issue involved my Wacom Intuos Pro 5 tablet where I was unable to grab the sliders and move them. I could tap them and move like that but not grab and move. I eventually found something called Use Windows Ink in the driver. I disabled that and it worked fine.
My 3 Samsung SSDs, 1tb (OS, Programs etc), 500Gb (LR Catalog) and 120Gb (System and PS swap files) are working fine.
The onboard raid with 4x4tb WD red drives is fine.
I now have a minor issue in Win 10 which occurred in 8.1 where my main LR (2015.1.1) window is on the Eizo which is set as Monitor 1. Monitor two (the NEC) is set as the main display. Now, with LR on the Eizo, if I select say a collection, that will cause LR to flick to monitor 2, The main display which is NOT what I want, I need to keep dragging it over to the correct window. This is a bit annoying and haven't discovered a cause yet..
I have all programs up to date and working.
PS cc is installed and 30 bit support is enabled. I synched all the settings from my old machine to the cloud, I now have synched them down to this. The only thing that didn't synch were my colour settings so I did that manually.
LR has recognised all the old print settings etc which is good and was something I was concerned about.
My Xrite i1 Pro2 is up to date and all the software is working. I brought my data from the old machine such as measurements, profiles etc and they are all ok.
Colorthink pro has installed fine and working.
The NEC spectraview and Eizo ColorNavigator software is working fine with no glitches and is up to date.
I was led to believe that LR6 didn't make use of all available cores in the chip. I imported a thousand raws from my Canon 5Dmkii as a test. I had the onboard usb3.0 cf reader read the card. I imported them as Convert to DNG on import. I opened resource monitor to watch what happened. The import status showed that files started coming across. I then immediately had the Convert to dng status indicate that it was working straight away and NOT waiting for the import to finish. The resource monitor showed my i7 5930k (6 cores, 12 threads) chip with 64gb was utilising all 12 at around 75% utilisation. It was very quick compared to my old i7 920 with 24gb. After the import staus showed the import had finished and only the conversion was occurring, the utilisation dropped to around 40?%.. This was really a lot quicker. I didn't perform this test though on 8.1, only Win 7 64 with 24gb and win 10 with 64gb.
Backups of around 1.5Tb which took around 24 hrs on my old machine now take around 3 hrs. How much is down to Win 10 though I don't know.
Overall, I think the upgrade from 8.1 to win 10 is worthwhile. It just seems very much like Win 7 with which I was very comfortable. I think overall, MS seem to have gotten this right.
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I built a new workstation last week and upgraded from Win7 to Win8.1 and have seen no problems with any of the software or hardware that I'm running. Win10 really does not have many useful features for me as I don't have mobile devices that are compatible with Windows; they are all Android. I would not upgrade if so inclined for another six months or so to allow MSFT and hardware vendors to work out all the kinks.
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Think about it - if we only tried to fix what was broken, then we would never attempt to improve what works well. In other words, there would be no progress, either technologically or artistically.
The problem is that not every attempt at 'progress' is successful.
Microsoft give a fine example with Windows 8, widely regarded as a retrograde change.
To a significant extent Windows 10 is just removing most change that 8 tried and wasn't liked.
For a desktop users W10 really doesn't add anything significant to the W7 experience, so why bother spending the time changing OS for little or no benefit and risk possibly loosing functionality in some parts of one's system ?
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For a desktop users W10 really doesn't add anything significant to the W7 experience, so why bother spending the time changing OS for little or no benefit and risk possibly loosing functionality in some parts of one's system ?
for my notebook, using W7 or later switching to W8.1 required some 3rd party drivers installation to make it working properly - with W10 though I did not have to bother, everything was already in place (fresh W10 installation on a new SSD drive, not upgrade in place)... a small issue, but pleasant nevertheless
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I built a new workstation last week and upgraded from Win7 to Win8.1 and have seen no problems with any of the software or hardware that I'm running. Win10 really does not have many useful features for me as I don't have mobile devices that are compatible with Windows; they are all Android.
Alan, before long you'll probably be able to run your Android apps under Windows...
I would not upgrade if so inclined for another six months or so to allow MSFT and hardware vendors to work out all the kinks.
That's the safer route, but a drive mirror of all partitions should also allow to restore the current environment, should an essential program/driver need to be fixed first.
Cheers,
Bart
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The problem is that not every attempt at 'progress' is successful.
Microsoft give a fine example with Windows 8, widely regarded as a retrograde change.
To a significant extent Windows 10 is just removing most change that 8 tried and wasn't liked.
That's oversimplifying things a bit.
For a desktop users W10 really doesn't add anything significant to the W7 experience, so why bother spending the time changing OS for little or no benefit and risk possibly loosing functionality in some parts of one's system ?
For a while you're right, if you do not want to make use of improved integration of functionality, e.g. 'Edge' browser based. FireFox et al will of course also not sit still, so we'll have to see how that develops. But gradually you'll notice that things could be more streamlined than possible withh Win7. It of course also does depend on which particular products (hardware/software) one uses.
Cheers,
Bart
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For a while you're right, if you do not want to make use of improved integration of functionality, e.g. 'Edge' browser based.
I've not yet read of anything that Edge offers that would be a step forward from the browsers I use now on W7.
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Alan, before long you'll probably be able to run your Android apps under Windows...
Cheers,
Bart
That will be an interesting advance but right now all my Google stuff is synched between both the PC and my Android tablet and phone. I don't run all that many aps and the tablet is used mainly for Kindle books and watching some stuff when I don't want to turn on the TV.
Alan
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Upgraded from 8.1 to 10. Very smooth.... had an issue with a Buffalo USB 3 drive, which complicated the upgrade, but blame Buffalo rather than Microsoft for this issue.
I am very happy with the result. Windows Explorer "Quick Access" finally works as it should, where I can keep my most used folders in the top left hand window.
I also like when I drag a window and locks to one side and it provides me with options as to what window I would like on the other side, from programs running in the background.
Seems to be quicker.
No issues with Lightroom or Photoshop.
Great that my machine is good to go for another few years. I built it about 5 years ago and amazed I am still satisfied with performance.