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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Colour Management => Topic started by: dumainew on May 31, 2015, 09:26:54 am
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Printing on an Epson 2880 with Mac OS X- 10.9.5 using a custom printer profile.
In 'Print Mode', under 'Advanced Color Settings' the 'Appropriate Color Sync Profile' shows the generic Epson printer/paper profile. Shouldn't this say the custom profile I gave it in 'Assigned Printer Profile' ? I see no way to change this setting and am concerned I'm double profiling the image. Am confused!
Thanks for any help.
Richard
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You probably are double-profiling. If you wish to us your custom profile, Printer Color Management must be switched off (in Color Mode>Off (No color management), in which case the Advanced Color Settings tab will say "Epson Color Management is off".
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Mark, Thanks for answering. Not sure where 'Color Mode-Off' is. In printer module I have PS handles color and printer profile is the custom setting. Richard
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What application are you printing from? Photoshop or Lightroom? This information would help point to the route for getting the settings accessed and correct.
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Sorry not to give info. Using PS.
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Once you get past the Photoshop dialog where you select PS manages color and the appropriate printer/paper profile, you enter the Mac's printer dialog by clicking 'Print Settings' at the top of the PS print dialog. Under that, in Printer Settings, you find the option to turn off the printer driver's color management (see image).
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OK. When you trigger Command>P (Print) the Photoshop Print Settings dialog should appear. If your driver layout looks like mine, in the center Color Management" section, there should be a dropdown called Color Handling where you can select Photoshop Manages Colors. And below that you select your own profile. Having done that, go into the upper box and trigger the Print Settings dropdown. In the middle of that select "Printer Settings". You should see for Color Mode > Off and grayed out. If so, you're fine. The if you go into Advanced Color Settings it will say Epson Color Management Off. All this if the layout of your driver version is similar to mine. There could be differences.
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Mark,
I'm still kind of lost.
In 'Print Settings' I see 'Color: color (greyed out).
Below it in 'Color Settings' I see 'Off' 'greyed out.
Is this correct ?
R.
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The screen grab shows the settings for the Epson driver (Epson 4900 version). Not sure how much different your's looks, but if you can infer from the screen grabs to yours, much the same controls and settings should be available.
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Using Lightroom or Photoshop with any recent version of the Mac OS, it is almost (if not totally) impossible to double profile. When you turn on color management by Lr or Ps, it is automatically turned off in the driver.
Brian A
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Regardless, it seems to be not impossible, because when you select application manages colour we get a warning sign to make sure printer colour management is turned off. Maybe a relic of history, I don't know, but it is useful to check both the driver and application settings to make sure all is coherent and correct.
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Regardless, it seems to be not impossible, because when you select application manages colour we get a warning sign to make sure printer colour management is turned off. Maybe a relic of history, I don't know, but it is useful to check both the driver and application settings to make sure all is coherent and correct.
Yes, I think a relic. But definitely worth checking.
The Adobe/Apple thing, unfortunately makes ABW profiles useless.
Brian A
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Thank you all again for your good help.
I've gone thru the settings many times and it still gives the generic printer profile even as it states PS is managing the file.
Now when I print a test sheet the print module shows the reds are out of gamut, even tho the print itself comes out true to the screen view. And what perplexes me most is the lack of red in prints from my own files. I've run a bunch of them and they're all deficient in red. I ran a thorough printer cleaner, but that didn't change anything.
What's the best thing, would you say, for me to do now ?
Richard
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lets clarify something..........
the ONLY (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) place you will see any reference to the custom printer profile you made is in Photoshop's print dialog (first thing after cmd-P).
The Mac printer driver ONLY knows about Epson papers. When you printed the targets for the custom profile, you *must* have selected an Epson paper, that serves as the base type and is what you need to re-use when you use the custom profile.
This is exactly the same situation if you were to be using some 3rd party paper (say Canson). On Canson's website, not only is there the profile for the paper in question but some additional 'instructions'. Those instructions contain the important 'media type' you would select (in addition to resolution, high speed, etc etc).
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Howard,
I think that's what I'm getting.
And if I understand you correctly, I am entering into the settings space AND using the same specified paper.
In this case it's Epson Luster.
Richard
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If you installed the custom profile correctly (in the correct folder), then Photoshop should make it available on its Print dialog and that's what you'd use (and Photoshop manages color). In the next step, in the Mac's printer driver, you'd use Prem. Lustre (and no color management)
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So far, what you'e described is just what I've done- used the custom profile with the designated paper. But here where it gets confusing: printing Andrew Rodney's test sheet gives good results, but printing from my own fotos gives poor results. They're lacking in red, altho they're OK in luminosity.
I've tried files from 3 different cameras and they all lack red. Could I have somehow desaturated red somewhere in the print pipeline ?
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lets clarify something..........
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The Mac printer driver ONLY knows about Epson papers.
And to clarify even further, there is no Mac printer driver. It is the Epson driver.
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.............. In the next step, in the Mac's printer driver, you'd use Prem. Lustre (and no color management)
You are still in the Epson driver, different section.
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Thank you all again for your good help.
I've gone thru the settings many times and it still gives the generic printer profile even as it states PS is managing the file.
Richard
Richard, could you please post screen grabs of your settings, much as I did several posts above. I would like to see exactly what's going on in your Color Management/Print set-up before commenting or suggesting further.
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Not sure how to answer that.
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Not sure how to answer this either.
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Hi Mark,
Here are the sequence of screen shots for an image made from a Sigma DP2 Quattro.
ProPhoto- 16 bit- calibrated screen-custom printer profile.
Please know how much I appreciate your help.
Richard
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Last screen shot in the sequence.
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Your last screen capture showing the actual Epson driver appears to show some 'error' or issue next to the name of the printer. Low ink or something else going on?
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My mistake. Forgot the first screen.
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The choices of options all look correct to me. This should produce good, predictable results if your profile is good.
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Sorry to drop in on you all :)
i was thinking
does the standard Epson profile work?
- could it be a printheads cleaning problem?
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Rodney,
I don't see what you mean.
The only warning that I see is to turn off 'printer managing color'.
Richard
PS Can you resend it with a highlight?
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Hi Kers,
No need to apologize. Welcome to the class !
In reply to your question, I just ran a complete cleaning.
Richard
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To test the validity of the custom profile, I reran the file with the generic Epson driver.
And it still lacked any saturated red.
Wonder if I should change both the Magenta cartridges ?
Richard
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Rodney,
I don't see what you mean.
Next to the name: Printer Epson there's a symbol that usually shows up when the driver is attempting to tell you something isn't correct like as you just posted, low ink.
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Rodney,
I just changed the Magenta and the printer is showing that the light Magenta is 1/3 full.
Afterwards, ran another print and it, too is lacking a saturated red.
The print's not too dark. I took your article on LULA to heart.
Richard
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To test the validity of the custom profile, I reran the file with the generic Epson driver.
And it still lacked any saturated red.
Wonder if I should change both the Magenta cartridges ?
Richard
Go to the website of Maruttusa and download their printer purging patches. Set the color management to Printer Manages Color, then try running a page each of their magenta, vivid magenta and yellow, and see what you get on paper. If they aren't smooth, strong and vibrant, it means there is a printer or ink issue. The depletion state of the cartridges should not be an issue.
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Mark,
Will do that tomorrow.
Thanks !
Richard
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Mark,
Ran purging patches from Marattusa as you suggested.
They're fine: smooth, strong and vibrant.
Puzzled, puzzled, puzzled ...
Richard
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Mark,
Ran purging patches from Marattusa as you suggested.
They're fine: smooth, strong and vibrant.
Puzzled, puzzled, puzzled ...
Maybe your images lack red. Maybe you have the wrong space profile attached to the images? Maybe ColorSync is interfering with your workflow?
Brian A
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Mark,
Ran purging patches from Marattusa as you suggested.
They're fine: smooth, strong and vibrant.
Puzzled, puzzled, puzzled ...
Richard
OK, so now you know the printer is working properly. Brian's suggestions are worth checking. This looks very much like a settings or profile problem.
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Mark And Brian,
Glad to be able to rule out the printer.
Not clear on what to do now.
Any suggestions for looking at settings and/or profiles will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you !
Richard
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Have you yet run the same print with "Printer Manages Color" rather than "Photoshop Manages Color". Make sure there is no double colour management happening (shouldn't be but check) and this will turn off your custom profiling and let the printer driver select the correct profile. Do this with Epson Premium Luster Paper which has wide gamut, using PK ink (or whatever mouthful they call it these days), set this paper as the Media Type and the paper type in the Epson driver) and see what your reds look like. If the reds look much better you will know you have a custom profile or paper issue holding back the reds.
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Hi Mark,
I did as you suggested, letting the printer manage the color. The new print was also deficient in red.
A senior PS engineer suspects it's either a driver problem or a OS profile cache problem.
Would you call Apple for help: then get a new profile if it's not the PC ?
(A little lost)
Thanks again for your help.
Richard
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Driver problems are probably easier to deal with than OS problems: trash the whole Epson installation, re-download it from the Epson website, re-install and retest. If that solves the problem - you're done. I have no expertise on OS cache issues so can't advise, but can't do any harm contacting Apple if the driver turns out not to be the issue.
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Hi Mark,
I did as you suggested, letting the printer manage the color. The new print was also deficient in red.
A senior PS engineer suspects it's either a driver problem or a OS profile cache problem.
Would you call Apple for help: then get a new profile if it's not the PC ?
(A little lost)
Thanks again for your help.
Richard
Interesting. I did hear, on another forum, of another Mac user who was having problems with it picking up older profiles, even though he had replaced them with newer ones. You could try renaming the profile, just ot make sure it is picking up the correct one.
I have a profile renamer at work, but I can remember what it is called at the moment. Just changing the file name doesn't change the internal name, the one the appears in your printing app.
Brian A
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On a Mac, you can Open/Save the ICC profile in the ColorSync Utility and rename it's internal 'desc' field. No need for a special editor. Be sure to change the filename and the desc field internal name.
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It isn't quite that easy. If you just change the 'desc' field with TextEdit, then close and re-open the profile, you'll see that the description is as it was before. To change it, you need sips, a command line tool that resides in the vaults of the System. The syntax is:
sips -s description intended_profile_name path_to_profile's_current_Finder_name.icc.
If you put sips and the profile in the same folder, your intended name is 'Profile_Name.icc', and the current Finder name of the profile is 'Finder_Name.icc', then the command is:
./sips -s description Profile_Name.icc Finder_Name.icc .
Note the dot-slash before sips.
Good light!
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I wasn't referring to using TextEdit to do the editing/change. It can be done directly inside of ColorSync Utility w/o using sips.
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Sorry, my mixing in TextEdit was a mishap. - But: I have a profile called 'Canon_5D2_153_lin_IN' in the 'desc' 'ASCII Name' field. If I open the profile in ColorSync by double-clicking, then change the name to 'Canon_5D2_153_lin', then close the profile and re-open it, the '_IN' is back in place. ??
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Sorry, my mixing in TextEdit was a mishap. - But: I have a profile called 'Canon_5D2_153_lin_IN' in the 'desc' 'ASCII Name' field. If I open the profile in ColorSync by double-clicking, then change the name to 'Canon_5D2_153_lin', then close the profile and re-open it, the '_IN' is back in place. ??
howardm is correct about having the ability to change the internal name with the CS utility. You have to change both areas of the profile and select Save. Then change the Finder name, the internal name should be seen in app's like Photoshop after saving via the CS utility.
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Thanks, Andrew. - Indeed, if I write the intended name as both 'ASCII Name' and 'UniCode Name', it works. That's very confusing indeed, since the UniCode field is empty in my profiles to begin with.
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