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Equipment & Techniques => Landscape & Nature Photography => Topic started by: Nigel Turner on October 12, 2014, 02:46:00 pm

Title: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Nigel Turner on October 12, 2014, 02:46:00 pm
Captured during the winter months in Yellowstone. Such fantastic opportunities for landscape photographers.

Any and all feedback is welcome.

Thanks for looking.
Nigel.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Jim Kasson on October 12, 2014, 05:05:13 pm
Very nice.

Jim
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 12, 2014, 07:59:13 pm
Magical!
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on October 13, 2014, 12:38:07 am
Amazing. the only nit I have is with the sliver of snow in the bottom. I wish I had more, or none at all.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Chairman Bill on October 13, 2014, 03:15:16 am
Nicely done, though I too would like to see a little more foreground snow
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Post by: francois on October 13, 2014, 03:22:58 am
Dramatic, magic…
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Post by: stamper on October 13, 2014, 03:58:42 am
Magical!


That was my first thought.....and second one. Well done.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: B-Ark on October 13, 2014, 07:08:49 am
Magical indeed - a veritable fairly land.

My only suggestion is to crop about 15% from the left, leaving the tree and the column of vapour nicely balancing each other.
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Post by: NancyP on October 13, 2014, 11:53:46 am
Very dramatic. I confess that I don't need to see more snow here. I wondered what the hot springs would look like in winter...
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Post by: Francesco Carucci on October 13, 2014, 12:42:50 pm
Beautiful!
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Post by: dumainew on October 13, 2014, 04:07:42 pm
If I could write like Thoreau, I'd be able to put in words just how powerful this is !
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Post by: NtrShtr on October 14, 2014, 07:01:34 am
Excellent job Nigel.  Great image that deserves to be printed LARGE and proudly displayed.
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Post by: Pope on October 14, 2014, 09:56:18 am
Wow! Very nice pic!!!
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Post by: Bob_B on October 14, 2014, 10:06:49 am
Sensational picture. Congratulations.

Bob
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Post by: Rory on October 14, 2014, 10:12:40 am
I love this one just the way it is.  Fine work.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Nigel Turner on October 16, 2014, 02:04:13 pm
Thanks to you all for your very kind feedback, much appreciated.

Kevin has an article that I wrote for LuLa about Yellowstone in Winter, together with about 12 various images of this winter wonderland in the queue to be published soon. I'd enjoy any feedback or comments if you manage to view the article. It will be in a similar format to my 'Symphony in Stone' article.

Thanks,
Nigel.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: sailronin on October 16, 2014, 10:00:34 pm
Lovely image
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Post by: maddogmurph on October 17, 2014, 12:30:46 pm
+1 - I'm a jelly doughnut.
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Post by: framah on October 17, 2014, 04:24:51 pm
+2 and i'm an apple fritter.
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Post by: framah on October 17, 2014, 04:27:00 pm
Have to ask how you got in there to shoot this?

Snow mobile or Ton-Ton?


(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/framah/luke-skywalker-on-tonton_zpsef413fff.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/framah/media/luke-skywalker-on-tonton_zpsef413fff.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Nigel Turner on October 17, 2014, 11:46:54 pm
Have to ask how you got in there to shoot this?

Snow mobile or Ton-Ton?


(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/framah/luke-skywalker-on-tonton_zpsef413fff.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/framah/media/luke-skywalker-on-tonton_zpsef413fff.jpg.html)

Well if Kevin ever gets of his backside (said tongue in cheek of course) and puts up the article that I gave him back in early August you'd find the answer to all your questions! Wouldn't it be better than all the endless camera reviews of late?

But, to your original question then the answer is a snow bus, which on my workshops I hire for a full eight days.

EIGHT FULL DAYS..  :o
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Post by: framah on October 18, 2014, 10:02:24 am
Rats!! I was really hoping for the Ton-ton!! ;D

So.... how do we find all about your workshops into Yellowstone?


...orrr I can just do a Google for it, and THERE you are.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: luxborealis on October 18, 2014, 12:29:28 pm
I guess I have a slightly different perspective... To me it's a great moment captured very well, but it appears over-processed. The contrast between snow and shadow, to me is artificially too great. You want the drama in the clouds of steam and mist, but I don't think that should extend into the foreground snow. This has less to do with realism than it has with believability. As it stands, the photo looks more like a video game backdrop than it does a photograph as the trumped up HDR-like look is not needed for this to be an amazing photograph. Let all the tones sing!
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Nigel Turner on October 20, 2014, 02:18:32 pm
I guess I have a slightly different perspective... To me it's a great moment captured very well, but it appears over-processed. The contrast between snow and shadow, to me is artificially too great. You want the drama in the clouds of steam and mist, but I don't think that should extend into the foreground snow. This has less to do with realism than it has with believability. As it stands, the photo looks more like a video game backdrop than it does a photograph as the trumped up HDR-like look is not needed for this to be an amazing photograph. Let all the tones sing!

Hi Luxborealis,
Thanks for your feedback and I fully appreciate your view and opinion. However there hasn't been much done to this image except for a curve adjustment to map the tonal range and the a slight mid tone adjustment. The contrast that you are seeing in the snow between the foreground and middle distance is due to the fact that the near snow had light falling onto it and the further you go into the scene the less light due to the heavy dark cloud directly above. The subject is also backlit. Yellowstone is a very atmospheric place to shoot during the winter and more often than not, even when one is their in person it is hard to believe just how good it gets.  I call it 'Armageddon' for a reason!

Thanks,
Nigel.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Isaac on October 20, 2014, 04:18:57 pm
The contrast between snow and shadow, to me is artificially too great. You want the drama in the clouds of steam and mist, but I don't think that should extend into the foreground snow. This has less to do with realism than it has with believability.

I was lucky enough to be in Yellowstone at the end of last year. With storm clouds partially covering blue-bird sky, dazzling sun on snow, forest shade, low sunlight on steam and mist, and specular highlights against shadowed boulders in the river cascades (all in the same photo) -- there's been no need to "artificially" increase contrast. However, to me they are B&W images and I think high contrast works better in B&W.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: luxborealis on October 20, 2014, 07:45:25 pm
Hi Nigel,

I'm a winter snow photographer and the deep shadows in the foreground snow just came across as being much too deep, especially when there is so much light bouncing around. It's actually quite difficult to get shadows that dark in white snow without manipulation. Curves do a lot more to a much larger tonal area than people often realize, so a "curve adjustment to map the tonal range" could mean almost anything and could easily have dropped the tonal values of the snow in shadow further than expected.

Just an observation from a winter-harder northerner.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Nigel Turner on October 20, 2014, 11:06:28 pm
I was lucky enough to be in Yellowstone at the end of last year. With storm clouds partially covering blue-bird sky, dazzling sun on snow, forest shade, low sunlight on steam and mist, and specular highlights against shadowed boulders in the river cascades (all in the same photo) -- there's been no need to "artificially" increase contrast. However, to me they are B&W images and I think high contrast works better in B&W.

I have to agree with you with regards B&W... many of these do work extremely well in that medium however they can under the right circumstances work well in color, and of course that was my intentions with this image.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: stamper on October 21, 2014, 03:34:43 am
From an artistic perspective the image works really well. There are plenty of realistic snow scenes to be seen on the web. This one is a little different and I wouldn't change anything.
Title: Re: Armageddon ~ Yellowstone in Winter.
Post by: Isaac on October 21, 2014, 02:25:54 pm
There are plenty of realistic snow scenes to be seen on the web.

Realistic wasn't the point:

This has less to do with realism than it has with believability.

As much as anything, I think it's a comment about craft. Several of my Yellowstone photographs were put-to-one-side just because I didn't know how I could work with the contrast, and now almost a year later I'm starting to look at them again with more understanding.