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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Digital Image Processing => Topic started by: l_d_allan on December 14, 2013, 05:27:33 pm
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I can be a cynical whiner:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=84749.0
Just for some balance, it seems fair to mention that I am so far Very Impressed with CC, especially ACR. Nice job, Eric C. and the rest of the team.
Actually, I wish I'd upgraded from CS5/LR4 sooner.
Note that I really haven't used CC-PS itself that much. What little I've had to use so far ... like the Print dialog ... seems improved.
For me, I want to use ACR/LR more and more, and PS less and less. I really, really want to have DNG's as my "Master" and not have bloated .tif's hogging my SSD.
Eventually, I think LR with PV-20/20 will be sufficient for this non-pro hobby'ist, if and when I cancel my CC subscription.
Obviously, YMMV.
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For me, I want to use ACR/LR more and more, and PS less and less.
That sentiment is shared by many others, and there is a good prospect that LR will continue to develop at a faster pace than PS.
The best thing is that you can keep upgrading LR as a standalone package and retain the perpetual license.
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there is a good prospect that LR will continue to develop at a faster pace than PS.
Perhaps because PS is a fully mature product and there's not a lot that can be done to improve it?
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The best thing is that you can keep upgrading LR as a standalone package and retain the perpetual license.
Except when LR is part off a CC subscription, according to Adobe customer sales support if you cancel your CC subscription you also lose the ability to update your current version of LR thereafter with any future update releases for that version.
Pretty strange I thought because the downloaded install executable package should be the same as a perpetual version or so I though, however they must have a special CC version of LR with code to check subscription validity from within LR.
Brian.
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Except when LR is part off a CC subscription, according to Adobe customer sales support if you cancel your CC subscription you also lose the ability to update your current version of LR thereafter with any future update releases for that version.
Pretty strange I thought because the downloaded install executable package should be the same as a perpetual version or so I though, however they must have a special CC version of LR with code to check subscription validity from within LR.
Brian.
My understanding (which may be imperfect as it is mainly gleaned from this chatroom), is that if you take out CC, the version of Lightroom you install will be pretty well identical to the latest perpetual version. But it will be activated with the CC registration key rather than the one you currently use.
If, at some future date, you decide to stop your CC subscription, your CC version of Lightroom will continue to work for a few weeks after your last payment but will then be disabled.
There should then be no reason why you cannot re-activate (re-installing if necessary) your old version of Lightroom with your original perpetual licence activation key. You should also, then, be able to upgrade it to the latest version at the normal perpetual version upgrade price.
The only word of caution is that Adobe (in common with some other software houses) may limit the number of version upgrades you can skip. Purely hypothetically, you may find that if your last perpetual version was LR4, then they may allow you to upgrade to LR6 at the upgrade price but, if by the time that you opt-out of CC we are up to, say, LR8, then you may have to buy at the full, rather than upgrade, price.
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My understanding (which may be imperfect as it is mainly gleaned from this chatroom), is that if you take out CC, the version of Lightroom you install will be pretty well identical to the latest perpetual version. But it will be activated with the CC registration key rather than the one you currently use.
I wonder, if the current CC subscription allows opting out from the LR CC, and update only the PS program to the CC model.
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I wonder, if the current CC subscription allows opting out from the LR CC, and update only the PS program to the CC model.
Sure, there's a single-app plan that allows subscription to any single app such as Photoshop. It costs $19.99 a month.
Or, you can stick to the special PS/LR plan at $9.99 a month. So dropping LR saves you minus $10 a month.
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I wonder, if the current CC subscription allows opting out from the LR CC, and update only the PS program to the CC model.
The photography package includes the CC version of both LR and PS. I don't think you are required to install both so what you suggest can be done (install PS CC only), but the subscription cost won't decrease and there's nothing to "opt out" of. That's what I plan to do since I don't use LR.
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As long as the CC upgrade process doesn't invalidate indiscriminately the existing keys for both products, that would help.
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Quote from: LesPalenik on December 15, 2013, 10:53:44 PM
there is a good prospect that LR will continue to develop at a faster pace than PS.
Perhaps because PS is a fully mature product and there's not a lot that can be done to improve it?
Very true, I wonder what else can they add to it in addition to the new camera formats?
A while ago, Jeff Schewe teased us with the idea "What if Thomas Knoll decided to write a new Photoshop version?"
If that ever happens, that option could be more enticing.
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As long as the CC upgrade process doesn't invalidate indiscriminately the existing keys for both products, that would help.
When you get the CC package, you still have any previous perpetual licences. So, for example, you can continue to use your perpetual licence for LR if you have one, but obviously it won't upgrade (beyond LR5) unless you pay to upgrade. The CC version presumably will provide ugrades as and when they occur.
Or you can use your existing LR licence on 2 other machines.
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... The CC version presumably will provide ugrades as and when they occur.
Yes, I've already received one update -- bug fixes for Photoshop and Lightroom 5.3 (from 5.2)
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Yes, I've already received one update -- bug fixes for Photoshop and Lightroom 5.3 (from 5.2)
What I meant was: if you have LR as part of a CC bundle, then you'll not only get release 5.n, but 6.n, 7.n etc.
With a perpetual LR licence for LR5, you'll get LR5.n updates, but you'll have to pay to upgrade to LR6 when it appears, albeit at a fairly low price, going on recent LR upgrade prices.
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What I meant was: if you have LR as part of a CC bundle, then you'll not only get release 5.n, but 6.n, 7.n etc.
With a perpetual LR licence for LR5, you'll get LR5.n updates, but you'll have to pay to upgrade to LR6 when it appears, albeit at a fairly low price, going on recent LR upgrade prices.
I see. It's a interesting consideration. I am expecting that I will receive all product updates including new versions as long as I am a subscriber. Since the Cloud program has not been around too long (2 yrs?) I guess we'll have to wait to know for sure. Perhaps Adobe will just convert LR to LR CC at some point.
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...Just for some balance, it seems fair to mention that I am so far Very Impressed with CC, especially ACR. Nice job, Eric C. and the rest of the team.
Actually, I wish I'd upgraded from CS5/LR4 sooner.
I agree that ACR has much improved since CS5...
I am a CS6 user and found ACR 2012 a lot better than before.. but can anyone tell me if ACR 2013 is a lot better than ACR 2012?
(especially for me as a nikon d800e user)
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I agree that ACR has much improved since CS5...
I am a CS6 user and found ACR 2012 a lot better than before.. but can anyone tell me if ACR 2013 is a lot better than ACR 2012?
(especially for me as a nikon d800e user)
Hi Pieter,
I thought that PV2012 is the current/latest version at this moment? So yes, the change from CS5 to CS6 was worthwhile, but I'm not sure that CC is that much of an improvement.
Cheers,
Bart
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Hi Pieter,
I thought that PV2012 is the current/latest version at this moment? So yes, the change from CS5 to CS6 was worthwhile, but I'm not sure that CC is that much of an improvement.
Cheers,
Bart
Everyone talks about CC as if it is a static release, but in fact it is a continuous release of functionality so you can only compare CC as it stands today...tomorrow it will be improved upon...
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Everyone talks about CC as if it is a static release, but in fact it is a continuous release of functionality so you can only compare CC as it stands today...tomorrow it will be improved upon...
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace...
You may be right, but so far I've had no upgrades for CC except the changes in ACR (as in Lightroom).
Are you aware of any incremental enhancements to Photoshop CC since its launch, except for those that came with ACR?
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Since June 17: real-time asset generation (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/new-features.html), whatever that is.
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real-time asset generation (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/new-features.html) -- Whatever that is.
Imagine you're creating an iPad app and you need buttons and other images with dimensions or bit depth etc that are suitable for both Retina and non-Retina displays, and Android, and.... Some graphic designers try to maintain files for each combination of requirements, then spend endless hours cascading new branding or other changes into each file, then save out the pngs or other files. So this Generator lets them keep it all in one file, and then outputs all the images they need. It's probably way over the head of most graphic designers and assumes a level of organisation that's not in their nature, but it's not a bad idea.
This feature isn't something a lot of photographers would use, but there are always new things you would use if you look for them. But not everyone looks, and that's no different now to before. If you have a problem with the subscription-limited model, fine, just don't say it's because there's nothing new. That may develop over time, as Adobe grows to depend on subscription revenue...
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If you have a problem with the subscription-limited model, fine, just don't say it's because there's nothing new.
Me? Perhaps you meant to answer Simon Garrett.
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Me? Perhaps you meant to answer Simon Garrett.
Sorry, while I answered your question, there I used "you" in the sense of "one".
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Since June 17: real-time asset generation (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/new-features.html), whatever that is.
Yes. Whatever that is. Well, nice to know things are happening, even if not of much relevance to me!
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That may develop over time, as Adobe grows to depend on subscription revenue...
Personally I remain a little sceptical about that. Yes, it's easier for Adobe to phase in updates without having to link them to chargeable updates. But IMHO with the rental model there is less financial incentive for them to innovate on mature products where there is comparatively little competition, compared to less mature products or those facing lots of competition. I expect to see Adobe concentrate their effort on the latter two areas. From Adobe's perspective it's the sensible thing to do.
But we'll see. I've subscribed anyway.
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I am a CS6 user and found ACR 2012 a lot better than before.. but can anyone tell me if ACR 2013 is a lot better than ACR 2012?
(especially for me as a nikon d800e user)
Are you referring to Process Version (2012)? Or just what's new since 2012, big difference.
Here's my take and don't ask why <g>. I think Adobe, and it's top dog (TK with help from EC) really intend to continue to make ACR and it's brother Lightroom more and more poweful and useful for photographers. The rest of Photshop proper, probably not so much. It's such a huge product with so many different users, it will continue to address a larger need that is thus far more splintered. ACR and LR are focused, the people drivng the buss (and each team is different!) at least are looking at the photo process.
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I can be a cynical whiner:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=84749.0
Just for some balance, it seems fair to mention that I am so far Very Impressed with CC, especially ACR. Nice job, Eric C. and the rest of the team.
Actually, I wish I'd upgraded from CS5/LR4 sooner.
Note that I really haven't used CC-PS itself that much. What little I've had to use so far ... like the Print dialog ... seems improved.
For me, I want to use ACR/LR more and more, and PS less and less. I really, really want to have DNG's as my "Master" and not have bloated .tif's hogging my SSD.
Eventually, I think LR with PV-20/20 will be sufficient for this non-pro hobby'ist, if and when I cancel my CC subscription.
Obviously, YMMV.
I'll echo this vote of confidence.
I've been on the fence about Photoshop in general and CC in particular. The last version of PS that I owned (prior to signing up for CC) was CS3. Over the past 18 months or so I'd abandoned using PS and convinced myself that LR was all I needed. Using PS CC is a refreshing realization. The tool and interface have certainly evolved. I'll probably go into PS CC to finalize ~20% of my images but I'll be happy to do so.
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