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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: randal21 on May 08, 2012, 09:43:05 pm

Title: Problems with prints too dark with black and white
Post by: randal21 on May 08, 2012, 09:43:05 pm: I thought printing out spmeones scanned black/white artwork would be a no brainer on my Epson 7900. NOT ...too dark. Lost detail in the shadows. Any helpful hints. I tried even letting the printer driver do the managing rather than CS4. Same results.
Title: Re: Problems with prints too dark with black and white
Post by: Mark D Segal on May 08, 2012, 09:45:21 pm: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/why_are_my_prints_too_dark.shtml (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/why_are_my_prints_too_dark.shtml)

Same principles for colour and B&W - unless you didn't scan the work properly. But you've said nothing that would help any one diagnose what's going on.
Title: Re: Problems with prints too dark with black and white
Post by: randal21 on May 08, 2012, 11:34:08 pm: I didn't scan the art but I thought I would start there. Grayscale mode? A friend sent me a profile he said he uses. I am printing on Epson Enhanced Matte paper.
Title: Re: Problems with prints too dark with black and white
Post by: fetish on May 09, 2012, 12:21:03 am: Do you have a proper color controlled workflow and have you printed accurate prints before on your setup? (apologies if the question offends, just clearing out some doubts)
Title: Re: Problems with prints too dark with black and white
Post by: namartinnz on May 09, 2012, 02:29:09 am: I discovered for some reason grayscale images printed darker than the same file turned to RGB. This on my Z3100, so could be entirely unrelated. Otherwise they print true neutral B&W for me so no issue.
Title: Re: Problems with prints too dark with black and white
Post by: neile on May 09, 2012, 09:29:27 am: Mark's right, it's your monitor. Here's my blog entries on the topic:

http://www.danecreek.com/blog/2010/02/17/monitor-brightness-and-dark-prints.html
http://www.danecreek.com/blog/2010/05/10/monitor-brightness-and-dark-prints-part-2.html

Neil
Title: Re: Problems with prints too dark with black and white
Post by: Mark D Segal on May 09, 2012, 01:53:37 pm: Quote from: neile on May 09, 2012, 09:29:27 am
Mark's right, it's your monitor. Here's my blog entries on the topic:

http://www.danecreek.com/blog/2010/02/17/monitor-brightness-and-dark-prints.html
http://www.danecreek.com/blog/2010/05/10/monitor-brightness-and-dark-prints-part-2.html

Neil

Hi Neil, If I'm the "Mark" you are referring to, I didn't quite say it is his monitor, but by pointing him to Andrew's article where monitor brightness is the one of THE MAJOR highlighted issues, indirectly I suppose I did. But in point of fact the OP has told us so little about any of this that it's impossible to provide useful advice. We have no idea what the original scan really looks like, whether indeed he does calibrate and profile his monitor and his printer, and if so at what settings, what the ambient viewing conditions are, what post-scan workflow was used apart from colour management, etc. etc. etc. etc.

This kind of thing happens so often on in forums that I can't help but observing it's fine to come here asking for guidance from other members, but there is a minimum amount of information we need in order to be useful. I have no doubt in many cases people don't know enough about the topic to understand what others need to be told. In all such cases, a certain amount of self-education is really the best course before coming onto forums posting such broad unanswerable questions. One needs enough basic education in the subject to at least know how to ask the questions in a way that may elicit solutions to problems. And there are TONS of resources available right on this website, a lot free, some pay, to do exactly that.
Title: Re: Problems with prints too dark with black and white
Post by: randal21 on May 10, 2012, 11:02:02 am: Solved it with a profile a friend recommended. My monitor is, of course, calibrated. Thanks for all the help.