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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: Wil on May 06, 2012, 04:34:23 pm

Title: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Wil on May 06, 2012, 04:34:23 pm
There have been reports about problems with RC2 in general and Canon files in particular.

It has been reported that LR4 produces banding when pushing under exposed areas of an image from Canon 5DII, III files.  The report is that this problem doesn't exist with Canon's own software, nor Nikon files in LR4.

Questions:
1.  Is it expected that Lightroom will improve its conversions of CR2 files?

2.  Do those with Canon 5D3 cameras think updating to RC2 from RC1 is an improvement?

Thanks,
Wil
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Schewe on May 06, 2012, 04:55:55 pm
There have been reports about problems with RC2 in general and Canon files in particular.

Reported by whom? Where?

There are reports of UFOs and alien abductions too...doesn't make them true.
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Keith Reeder on May 06, 2012, 05:24:51 pm
This one's legit, Jeff.

After Michael Reichman's D800 review/comparo with the 5D Mk III, some 5D Mk III users have demsonstrated - very persuasively - that while Lr conversions are very noisy when the shadows are pushed (a la the D800 review), DPP conversions are much closer to the quality of the pushed D800 files.

I've seen the same thing in the 5D Mk III files I've downloaded and converted - the shadows really are pretty good when pushed in DPP, and very, very much better than the results in the LuLa article.
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Schewe on May 07, 2012, 01:04:47 am
I've seen the same thing in the 5D Mk III files I've downloaded and converted - the shadows really are pretty good when pushed in DPP, and very, very much better than the results in the LuLa article.

Gotta link? Got settings?
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: ihv on May 07, 2012, 04:23:58 am
I think it was mostly a false alarm.

1. DPP just doesn't push enough in comparison to LR

2. DPP, at certain noise threshold, will not open up the shadows - this means a cleaner image but the DR is not there.

Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Keith Reeder on May 07, 2012, 06:34:25 am
Sorry ihv, but you're wrong - you can't say that "the DR isn't there" if opening the shadows in DPP digs out the detail - and it does. The 5D Mk III still isn't as good as the D800, but it's a damn sight better than some would have us believe.

Jeff, I can't recall the page, but in any event I've done my own tests and (although this certainly isn't a criticism of Lr) DPP does an awful lot better than Lr 4 with 5D Mk III files as far as pushed shadows are concerned.
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Hans Kruse on May 07, 2012, 06:39:36 am
Sorry ihv, but you're wrong.

Keith, you need to provide links and/or show it yourself.
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Keith Reeder on May 07, 2012, 06:42:44 am
Keith, you need to provide links and/or show it yourself.

I don't need to do anything, Hans: anyone can do the tests I've done.

I don't have a horse in this race - I don't own a 5D Mk III - but I know what I've seen, and that's enough for me.
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Hans Kruse on May 07, 2012, 06:44:53 am
I don't need to do anything, Hans: anyone can do the tests I've done.

I don't have a horse in this race - I don't own a 5D Mk III - but I know what I've seen, and that's enough for me.

Keith, nobody will take you serious in this way  ::)
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: Wil on May 07, 2012, 09:23:16 am
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=41409583
is a pretty long thread on this subject.

Wil
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: dreed on May 07, 2012, 07:33:26 pm
FWIW, I have noticed the same with the 5DII.

IMHO, either DPP knows more about the behaviour of the sensor or it just clips the blacks earlier.

My solution has been to just ensure that images are exposed so as to not contain noise and nor do I push them such that it becomes a problem.
Title: Re: LR 4.1 RC2 or Not for Canon 5D3
Post by: DaveCurtis on May 09, 2012, 04:10:10 am
I have compared L4 and DPP with images out of my new 5D3.

There is no problem that I can see with L4. L4 just opens up the shadows and blacks more than DPP to show the delightful 5D3 banding  :'(