Luminous Landscape Forum
Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: KevinA on April 26, 2012, 12:26:37 pm
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In the blurb for the 210 Mamiya AF ULD 210 mm f/4.0 IF it says
• Natural focusing effect stops compression normally produced by telephoto lenses
Eh, what exactly does that mean?
Kevin.
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Marketing BS.
Michael
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Google translation?
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In the blurb for the 210 Mamiya AF ULD 210 mm f/4.0 IF it says
• Natural focusing effect stops compression normally produced by telephoto lenses
Eh, what exactly does that mean?
Kevin.
The natural de-focusing effect (narrow DOF) gives the impression of depth by de-focusing the background (separation from background)?
This might imply that the lens lets you get the main subject (relatively) sharp!
¿Have Mamiya lenses improved since I used them in the 1970s?
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I'll look into it and will change it next week, thanks for the note Kevin!
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¿Have Mamiya lenses improved since I used them in the 1970s?
No, they are only usable for web size images... and even then, no value if more than 256 colors need to be used.
The H4D60 is the only camera suitable for prints larger than A4 my friend.
Cheers,
Bernard
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¿Have Mamiya lenses improved since I used them in the 1970s?
Yes, very considerably.
I have noticed a strong correlation between lens design generation and performance, especially among the Japanese MF manufacturers. Mamiya, Bronica, Pentax and Fuji really upped their lens game from about the mid-1980s onwards. I find that those who are dismissive of say, M645 or RB67 or Pentax 67 glass, are typically talking about their experiences with some of the 1970s designs - like Dick here.
But all of the new Mamiya designs from the past 25 years or so have been excellent: all of the Mamiya 6 & Mamiya 7 lenses, the K-L RB67 lenses, the ULD wideangles and APO teles for the RB/RZ, the "A" line for the M645 (120 macro, 150/2.8, 200/2.8, 300/2.8 and 500/4.5), the ULD/APO 645AF teles (210/4, 300/4.5), the "D" 645AF lenses (45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/2.8, 75-150/4.5). [The 28/4.5 D AF might be an exception though]. And it's important to note that the less appreciated AF lenses (like some of the wideangles) are actually old optics in a new AF casing - they're not really new designs at all, so they don't counter my argument.
That is not to say that some of the older "C" designs are not also stellar: the Mamiya 24mm ULD fisheye has never been surpassed in MF, to take one example, and used samples still command a 4-digit dollar price to this day, because it's just so damn good even on the high MP digital backs.
Ray
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Quote from: Dick Roadnight on 26-04-2012, 22:02:54
¿Have Mamiya lenses improved since I used them in the 1970s?
Yes, very considerably.
I have noticed a strong correlation between lens design generation and performance, especially among the Japanese MF manufacturers. Mamiya, Bronica, Pentax and Fuji really upped their lens game from about the mid-1980s onwards. I find that those who are dismissive of say, M645 or RB67 or Pentax 67 glass, are typically talking about their experiences with some of the 1970s designs - like Dick here.
But all of the new Mamiya designs from the past 25 years or so have been excellent: all of the Mamiya 6 & Mamiya 7 lenses, the K-L RB67 lenses, the ULD wideangles and APO teles for the RB/RZ, the "A" line for the M645 (120 macro, 150/2.8, 200/2.8, 300/2.8 and 500/4.5), the ULD/APO 645AF teles (210/4, 300/4.5), the "D" 645AF lenses (45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/2.8, 75-150/4.5). [The 28/4.5 D AF might be an exception though]. And it's important to note that the less appreciated AF lenses (like some of the wideangles) are actually old optics in a new AF casing - they're not really new designs at all, so they don't counter my argument.
That is not to say that some of the older "C" designs are not also stellar: the Mamiya 24mm ULD fisheye has never been surpassed in MF, to take one example, and used samples still command a 4-digit dollar price to this day, because it's just so damn good even on the high MP digital backs.
Ray
Thanks, Ray, for your constructive answer...
Hasselblad/Zeiss also made considerable improvements about that time, and my first Hasselblad system had the "new" T* multicoated lenses (they went from aluminium to black lenses at that time) which were very different to the old Mamiya C330/RB67 lenses.
Mid seventies a pro came to take some brochure shots of a "merry-tiller" on an overcast day in our vegetable garden, using RB67, pro ektachrome and a blue correction filter - his shots were washed out and blue... I used C330, Agfa CT18, 1.5deca-mired red correction filter and my picture were an order of magnitude better... but it was possible to get a (brochure) adequate picture with Mamiya glass.
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Nice bokeh on the 210.
(http://mlkshk.com/r/DQ3I)