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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: rolleiflexpages on December 23, 2010, 03:59:25 pm
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Wanted to share a first impressions report of the new 6060 film back for Rolleiflex / Sinar Hy6 and Leaf AFi cameras. It arrived 10 days ago and is really a nice piece of kit. Perfect fit, both in design and functions, with the Hy6 / AFi camera body. Functioning identical to the 4560 film backs for Hy6 / AFi. Apart from the film size, the difference is that this back is in one piece and connects directly to the camera body, while the 4560 back uses a Hy6 / AFi adaptor (as the latter back is also compatible with the Rolleiflex 600X systems with adaptor). It is truly "liberating" to work full-frame with the Hy6 's outstanding viewfinder and to get back those awesome square format images that makes them stand out from the mainstream. For the moment, production of the 6060 back is limited due to shortage of a number of parts coming from another company, hence there may be some delays for those having ordered it. But it was worth the wait. Some information, as well as the information sheet in PDF format, is available on my web pages for those interested.
Pascal
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It works for me, maybe there was a problem and it was fixed already
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Thanks for the report, Pascal.
Page doesn't load for me, either. And I've visited before without issues.
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Regarding the "webpage not found" issue, I just noticed my provider (iPowerWeb) has intermittent DNS resolution issues. Sorry about that. Please bear with me and check again later if needed.
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what's rolleiflexpages.com's ip address? http://w.x.y.z should still work...
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what's rolleiflexpages.com's ip address? http://w.x.y.z should still work...
I think it's http://66.96.132.54/ but that's not working either.
Anyway, great to hear that the new back is a success.
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I've been thinking about this back, and let's just say that I don't miss film. At all. :). But the 6x6 square is really alluring. I've even looked into an EverSmart II Supreme film scanner. But I think going back to film, even for full 6x6 is not in the cards for me. But I'll try to keep an open mind.
Going square is one of the reasons I'm excited about the AFi-II 12 is being able to shoot 60MP square (albeit 40mm square rather than 56).
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That's also why the square sensor sized Rollei DB20p (PhaseOne P20) back for the 6008 AF is still so great.
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That's also why the square sensor sized Rollei DB20p (PhaseOne P20) back for the 6008 AF is still so great.
To put the 3 options in perspective:
(http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/squares.jpg)
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Graham,
Merry Christmas. Let's hold out for the 56 by 56 sensor, what do you say?
Jerry Reed
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Let's hold out for the 56 by 56 sensor, what do you say?
That would surely be another dream come true!
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Pascal's website is back up
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+1 on the 56mm sensor. :)
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+1 for the big square...
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What was the price for Hy6 6x6 film back?
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Eur 1314.95 is what I paid for it. regards, Martin
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Eur 1314.95 is what I paid for it. regards, Martin
For a FILM back!? Aye Carumba!
No wonder they went under...
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Eur 1314.95 is what I paid for it. regards, Martin
For that price you could pick up a really nice condition late-model Hasselblad 503 camera, with 80mm lens and a very modern film magazine, all-in. If you really wanted to shoot film, 6x6.
John
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For that price you could pick up a really nice condition late-model Hasselblad 503 camera, with 80mm lens and a very modern film magazine, all-in. If you really wanted to shoot film, 6x6.
John
Jup, but you won´t be able to use the excellent Schneider and Zeiss lenses you already have and you loose autofocus, metering, automatic film winding, focus confirmation and all the other accessories one might have. And you have to lug arround a second camera system.
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That price may include VAT, fyi.
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For that price you could pick up a really nice condition late-model Hasselblad 503 camera, with 80mm lens and a very modern film magazine, all-in. If you really wanted to shoot film, 6x6.
John
I love the square format, but I'd never trade my 6008AF and superb optics for an old blad. The comparison between the two platforms ends with the single fact that both shoot square. Even if you just look at the film backs the Rollei's are way more advanced - even in the older 6000 series. If I wanted a primitive camera to shoot film in square format, I'd go with one of the TLRs which are much lighter and have metering and probably are more reliable than the V.
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1105 euro without VAT
Not cheap but also made in small series.
Last time I looked at a Hasselblad H film magazine, its list price was actually more expensive.
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Eur 1314.95 is what I paid for it. regards, Martin
did the price include an assistant
... to help you load the film? :D
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Eric -
I can't help but agree with you... but the old V series has an appeal: mechanical, changeable lenses and backs, ability to throw on a good small digital back. Lots of flexibility.
The problem is when you upgrade your expectations: I like the metering hookup (a lot) on the Rollei gear - its a snap. The film backs are better on the Rollei (flatter). The mirror slap in the V series is a bit more, and the ergonomics are IMHO better on the Rollei. Plus, if you add a prism on the Hassy, the whole thing now gets kind of big too.
Still, a hankering for the simplicity of it all is there. I agree with you though - if shooting film, a TLR is a pretty nice (no mirror) solution.
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Hey Guys,
Whats the different between 6008, 6008 integral, 6008 integral 2 ?
Thanks in advance.
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From what I know.....
6008 and 6008 integral are the same -
6008 Intergral 2 has improved electronics over the 6008 Integeral with TTL Flash metering and focus comfirmation
Awesome rig, I use the 6008 Integral with a Sinar 54M digital back as well as 120 Film backs and Schnieder Glass
Got my 6008,2/120 backs, 80mm lens, polaroid back, 3 batteries and a ton of B&W filters and accessories on E-Bay for $1,000
Never had a single problem, just shot outside in blowing snow and 20 degrees....camera was fine ....i was frozen !
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That price may include VAT, fyi.
The price included VAT, yes. I am sure many of the people who commented on the price here have "happily" spent thousands $$$ on Noctiluxes and other tools/toys, so I shall leave that part of the commentary without reply. Leaving the ha, ha arguments aside, the reason why the back makes sense is that once you have spent the money on a Hy6 and a digital back and all the lenses and accessories and once you've learned to work with the body, then getting the back (even at its high price) is a better compromise than getting a Hassy with another set of lenses / different handling or a 6008 with its own bulk and weight / bulky charger / potentially suspect electronics etc. The back is made by DHW not by Rollei who went under and it seems that there has been quite a bit of demand, at least judging from being placed on a waiting list for one (or maybe their capacity is low.. whatever). If you want one and don't want to pay the price, let your view be known to DHW; to me it has no relevance.
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I gott offer for 6x6 back 1500Euro.... :(
I have Hy6 with 645 film back and sinar emotion 75LVr. and was thinking about 6x6 back, but by so high 6x6 film back price it is cheaper to by whole 6008 sytem, than one back.
I hope in future the prices will drop...
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LOL.
Those old blads have been used to create more stunning images than all the other medium format cameras put together.
Now Keith, I think that hyperbole has got the better of you. Unless you've actually counted all the world's stunning medium format images, and sorted them by camera?
LOL.
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Absolutely, but there again, would you put your money on another make of medium format camera having been used to make even more stunning images?
LOL.
Why, yes I would - Mamiya.
Can't take away from the Hassys though that they went to the Moon. So they win the Lunar section of the competion!
LOL.
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LOL.
Those old blads have been used to create more stunning images than all the other medium format cameras put together.
Possibly as they had great marketing and huge sales (for MF cameras) and a long run. But quite a lot of famous square images were taken with the Rollei TLR too.
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I think that hyperbole has got the better of you.
Ah, you dragged me into following the manner of your original assertion, and I fell for it! ;D
Anyway, my gut feeling (on this whole rather silly question) is Mamiya. Think of all the models, all the formats; from the original 1950s Mamiya 6 RF, through the C2/C3 series 6x6 TLRs, the 6x9 Press, the Universal (and its rebadged sister the Polaroid 600SE), the RB67, the M645, the RZ67, the Mamiya 6, the Mamiya 7...
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Having had a couple of 500 Series 'blads, also a Mamiya C33(?) and looked at both the Mamiya RB and RZ, the 'blad came out on top even after the first flush of ownership and client appreciation had become forgotten factors. The prism made it too big? Really? Mine was never off the thing: hated waistlevel viewing and that's one thing that made it better than the Rollei TLR I used before I could afford the 'blad. In fact, the Rollei with 3.5/75 Tessar was used in conjunction with the C33 and its 180mm. What I would say was in favour of the Mam and the 180mm was that it focussed very closely and was a very fine optic, but on the other hand, that parallax compensation device was a terrible intrusion into the work process.
If history was to repeat itself, it would be 'blad again every time. I like to use manual cameras and lenses. It is a choice thing and nothing to do with price.
Rob C
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One thing is for certain, as much as I admire them, it certainly isn't the Hy6/AFi.
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Yes and neither the phamiya or H3or4D either. The life cycle of digital is just completely different than film cameras. There hasn't been enough time between models and changes to make anyone of those cameras famous with images. Oh well shall we now switch to mac vs pc? Just kidding!
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Any news on this back? Anyone know where to order one from? 6060 for Hy6.
Thanks
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Contact Reiner at DHW directly:
<[email protected]>