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Title: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: hbci on October 12, 2010, 12:03:33 pm
Hello All,

I work at a retailer who has recently decided to take all of their print jobs in-house. Before we were creating the graphics in-house, and farming them out to big-box printers (Staples, etc) in order to get them printed.

We recently purchased an HP Z3100ps printer. Now, I need few suggestions regarding print media for the Z3100. The majority of printing we do will be for indoor displays (hanging banners, x-type banner stands (http://www.aamarketingteam.com/products/xtype.jpg), etc). However, we still would like to do some outdoor printing on the z3100 for media that will be secured below our outdoor signage (http://smartpress.com/content/configure/print-hanging-banners-online/). Example: We've got a few items that are on a 3-month clearance, so we print up a clearance banner and hang it outdoors.

I've taken a look around at HP's print media website (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF28a/18972-18972-3328061-3328079-3328079-3204970-3204973.html), and it is so vague and difficult to navigate that I find myself going in circles for hours at a time without actually coming up with a concrete answer.

SO, If you could point me in the right direction regarding what to order, I would be really appreciative.

Thanks in advance!

Glyn

Edit: It's the 44" model. We're interested in anything from 36" - 44".
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: Ernst Dinkla on October 13, 2010, 03:10:56 am
Check some HP documents about using third party media on the Z3100 if you can not find the right HP media for the jobs.
There will be a link to the docs on the Z3100 Wiki pages.


met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla

Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: hbci on October 13, 2010, 08:25:29 am
Has anyone tried the:

What can you tell me about them for outdoor use? Anything better for the price? The HP Opaque Scrim is $360.99!
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: teddillard on October 13, 2010, 11:07:00 am
DM me- we have a nice array of signage media we've developed, but also we handle HP and others.  We can certainly help you through the maze.  :)
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: KevinWilliams on October 13, 2010, 03:50:51 pm
For outdoor banner and X-Banners you'd want to use a scrim banner (http://www.buyplottersupplies.com/categories/Scrim-Vinyls/) type material such as the material found here. (http://www.buyplottersupplies.com/categories/Scrim-Vinyls/)


For retractable banners a polypropylene is the best way to go as it is inexpensive, highly durable and gives photo quality output. You can find a polypropylene banner material here (http://www.buyplottersupplies.com/categories/Polypropylene/Waterproof-Matte/)

About the outdoor prints since you are using a pigment based printer you would probably get around 6 months outdoors for a banner without lamination.
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: hbci on October 13, 2010, 04:06:08 pm
Quote from: KevinWilliams on October 13, 2010, 03:50:51 pm
For outdoor banner and X-Banners you'd want to use a scrim banner (http://www.buyplottersupplies.com/categories/Scrim-Vinyls/) type material such as the material found here. (http://www.buyplottersupplies.com/categories/Scrim-Vinyls/)


For retractable banners a polypropylene is the best way to go as it is inexpensive, highly durable and gives photo quality output. You can find a polypropylene banner material here (http://www.buyplottersupplies.com/categories/Polypropylene/Waterproof-Matte/)

About the outdoor prints since you are using a pigment based printer you would probably get around 6 months outdoors for a banner without lamination.

How would I setup the Z3100 to print onto these? What profile would I use?

Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: hbci on October 14, 2010, 12:16:29 pm
After a bit of shopping around, I determined that the FastPlot series from MacroEnter would be my most economical choice.

This morning I ordered:
FP-WPSB15-R4260   FastPlot Outdoor Scrim Vinyl Banner 15 mil - Waterproof 400g - 42" x 60' Roll   1   $119.05   $119.05
FP-WPPP-R42100   FastPlot Polypropylene Banner 8 mil Waterproof - 42" x100FT - 2" core   1   $107.67   $107.67
Subtotal:    $226.72

I'll post after I have received the products and let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: KevinWilliams on October 19, 2010, 05:37:14 pm
Hi Glyn. With the Z3100, it has a built in spectrometer. You will be able to load the banner material in and profile it using the hp utilities. Without profiling, you could try using a default hp banner material though.

Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: hbci on October 20, 2010, 04:32:34 pm
Quote from: KevinWilliams on October 19, 2010, 05:37:14 pm
Hi Glyn. With the Z3100, it has a built in spectrometer. You will be able to load the banner material in and profile it using the hp utilities. Without profiling, you could try using a default hp banner material though.

I have loaded the banner material, and opened up HP Utilities. HP Default Banner Material isn't an option, and I can't profile it through HP utilities as it wants me to choose one of the options below:
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9336/screenshot20101020at422.png)

I made a new post regarding the firmware/ICC profiles missing from the HP website. Please don't regard this as double-post.

Any suggestions? I'm all ears!

Thanks.
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: KevinWilliams on October 21, 2010, 09:49:15 am
If you don't have an HP banner material option. Try from a different starting point such as a coated paper or a canvas from the fine art area. You will be able to rename the profile to FastPlot Scrim Banner so that you will know what media you are using.
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: Ernst Dinkla on October 21, 2010, 10:35:10 am
Quote from: hbci on October 12, 2010, 12:03:33 pm

I've taken a look around at HP's print media website (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF28a/18972-18972-3328061-3328079-3328079-3204970-3204973.html), and it is so vague and difficult to navigate that I find myself going in circles for hours at a time without actually coming up with a concrete answer.

Glyn


Several banner media presets for the Z3100 to download from this page:

http://h30413.www3.hp.com/SupportServices/country/us/en/iccmedia.html-
profile_type=MEDIA+new_product=Z3100.htm

after that you can create a custom media preset based on one, calibrate and profile if the HP OEM version isn't good enough.


met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla

spectral plots of +100 inkjet papers:
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm




Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: KevinWilliams on October 21, 2010, 03:08:30 pm
Great link, i coped and pasted the whole link  (http://h30413.www3.hp.com/SupportServices/country/us/en/iccmedia.html-profile_type=MEDIA+new_product=Z3100.htm) since it was cut in the post. But guess what? when i tried to download the files from inside that page. The profiles were unable to be found when i clicked on the download link. Thanks HP keep up the fine work.
Title: Re: Print Media Questions for the HP Z3100ps
Post by: Ernst Dinkla on October 21, 2010, 03:48:19 pm
This one then:

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=3212646&prodTypeId=18972&prodSeriesId=3204970&swLang=8&taskId=135&swEnvOID=219


My system downloads something this time.


met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla

Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/