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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: fredjeang on February 12, 2010, 05:06:10 am

Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: fredjeang on February 12, 2010, 05:06:10 am
Hi,

I think these two questions are more aimed to David Grover, but of course every post is welcome.

1) Does Hasselblad plan in a close future, because a recent step has been made that way, to go further (an entry camera or a special financial plan) for the youngest photographers (or the less whealphy) to be able to access the system ? Being aware that maximum quality does not generaly rime with low prices.

2) Are there currently technical issues to implement motion in MFD? In other words, do you think we will see in a relative short-term Hasselblad (and others) integrating video capabilities?

Thank you.
Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on February 12, 2010, 12:35:43 pm
Hi Fred,

I am not the policy maker at Hasselblad so a little difficult to answer your first question.

The cost of the H series dropped dramatically at the last Photokina show, and I don't anticipate any reductions on that scale again.

Motion in MF is difficult due to sensor availability.  CMOS is required for motion, and its not like the sensors Canon use are commercially available.  Therefore we have to look to Kodak and Dalsa for their products.  So it really depends on what those guys can produce in the future.

Otherwise, the H would make a nice motion platform.  Great lenses, fluid manual focus, electronic aperture...

Best,



David

Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: erick.boileau on February 13, 2010, 03:40:36 am
Why not a H4D 22 ?   (of course FF or 1.1)
it will be interesting for so many users
Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on February 13, 2010, 03:45:08 am
Quote from: erick.boileau
Why not a H4D 22 ?   (of course FF or 1.1)
it will be interesting for so many users


Kodak no longer have this sensor in production.

Also when the lineup was available with 22,31,39, the 22 sales were virtually zero.

If full frame the image quality would be unacceptable due to the pixel size.  Think lack of fine detail, moire.

David
Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: erick.boileau on February 13, 2010, 06:10:14 am
then a FF 30 mp or 40 mp , but  a FF
Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: erick.boileau on February 13, 2010, 06:17:21 am
Quote from: David Grover / Hasselblad
Also when the lineup was available with 22,31,39, the 22 sales were virtually zero.
Maybe because of the price, with a price near Canon 1Ds or Nikon D3X it will be certainly very different

a thread on H3D 22 (http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14046)
Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: gwhitf on February 16, 2010, 09:29:26 pm
Using the (desperation) technique in the link below, is it possible to connect a new H4D40 to a 203FE?

http://tinyurl.com/yey7qd7 (http://tinyurl.com/yey7qd7)

Would that not be a perfect marriage, made in heaven above? Modern Technology meets Old World Elegance? Could TrueFocus hold focus on the exposed 203FE ground glass?
Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: BJL on February 16, 2010, 11:05:07 pm
To David: thanks for confirming that, despite much forum chest-beating about the desirabilty of fewer, bigger pixels, the MF market speaks otherwise.

To ErickL:
Quote from: erick.boileau
Maybe because of the price, with a price near Canon 1Ds or Nikon D3X it will be certainly very different
But why expect such low pricing, especially when you want the sensor to be close to full 645 size? Sensor cost has a lot more to do with size than pixel count. So even if a 22MP sensor body could be that cheap, so could a 40MP or 60MP sensor of the same size ... and from what David said about sales, the 22MP would probably agin not sell well against that higher resolution competition.
Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: jimgolden on February 16, 2010, 11:58:01 pm
it's called a lease and you'd be better off buying a 5Dmk2 and putting the payments into production for your book...especially if you want motion...
Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on February 17, 2010, 02:12:52 am
Quote from: erick.boileau
Maybe because of the price, with a price near Canon 1Ds or Nikon D3X it will be certainly very different

a thread on H3D 22 (http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14046)

Erick,

You really have to move on from this.  Save yourself some stress.

It is not going to happen... ever.

1)  Development of a FF 22 sensor would be expensive and undesirable by Kodak / Dalsa. If it was developed then the price of such a system would not be cheap due to development costs and the fact it would then sell in few numbers!

2)  Even a FF 40 or 50 would not make sense to develop as you only have to look at an image from the 6 micron 40 or 50MP sensors and it wipes the floor with any image from the 22MP model.

3)  The advantage of the 'Fat' pixel has gone now with later sensor design.  

So look to the options you have today.  40, 50 or 60MP.

David

Title: Hasselblad future products
Post by: photo570 on February 17, 2010, 03:56:53 am
Just get a secondhand H1 or H2 and buy a Leaf AptusII 5.

I did the week after they came out. It is all a matter of what you intend to use it for.

I shoot almost exclusively editorial, DPS at 300 dpi = a 22mp file, anymore is a complete waste of time, from a production point of view.

Horses for courses I suppose.

Happy shooting.


Quote from: David Grover / Hasselblad
Erick,

You really have to move on from this.  Save yourself some stress.

It is not going to happen... ever.

1)  Development of a FF 22 sensor would be expensive and undesirable by Kodak / Dalsa. If it was developed then the price of such a system would not be cheap due to development costs and the fact it would then sell in few numbers!

2)  Even a FF 40 or 50 would not make sense to develop as you only have to look at an image from the 6 micron 40 or 50MP sensors and it wipes the floor with any image from the 22MP model.

3)  The advantage of the 'Fat' pixel has gone now with later sensor design.  

So look to the options you have today.  40, 50 or 60MP.

David