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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: ctz on July 03, 2009, 09:30:55 am

Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: ctz on July 03, 2009, 09:30:55 am: Hello

I deceided that I need to buy a longer tele lens for my view camera (a Sinar P2). I mainly use an 105mm digital Sironar from Rodenstock. Also used are a 55mm digital Rodenstock and a 150 APO SYMMAR, non digital version, but holding very well on digital. I also have an APO G-Claron 240/9, a very fine lens for macro range on 4X5 film, but with very, very poor results on my P45+.
Looking to the 200 mm region I guess there is not much to choose from: 210/5.6 Apo Digitar from Schneider and 180 Digital Sironar from Rodenstock.
Do anyone have something to say about these lenses?

Thanks in advance

c
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: Dick Roadnight on July 03, 2009, 11:30:41 am: Quote from: ctz
Hello

I deceided that I need to buy a longer tele lens for my view camera (a Sinar P2). I mainly use an 105mm digital Sironar from Rodenstock. Also used are a 55mm digital Rodenstock and a 150 APO SYMMAR, non digital version, but holding very well on digital. I also have an APO G-Claron 240/9, a very fine lens for macro range on 4X5 film, but with very, very poor results on my P45+.
Looking to the 200 mm region I guess there is not much to choose from: 210/5.6 Apo Digitar from Schneider and 180 Digital Sironar from Rodenstock.
Do anyone have something to say about these lenses?

Thanks in advance

c
The 210/5.6 Apo Digitar from Schneider is one of the lenses on my wish list. I have 90, 120, 120M, 150, and I would also like a 47XL, and an 1100 fine art gold.
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: henrikfoto on July 06, 2009, 05:11:27 am: Quote from: ctz
Hello

I deceided that I need to buy a longer tele lens for my view camera (a Sinar P2). I mainly use an 105mm digital Sironar from Rodenstock. Also used are a 55mm digital Rodenstock and a 150 APO SYMMAR, non digital version, but holding very well on digital. I also have an APO G-Claron 240/9, a very fine lens for macro range on 4X5 film, but with very, very poor results on my P45+.
Looking to the 200 mm region I guess there is not much to choose from: 210/5.6 Apo Digitar from Schneider and 180 Digital Sironar from Rodenstock.
Do anyone have something to say about these lenses?

Thanks in advance

c

I have tried many lenses around 200mm. The Rhodenstock Apo Sironar S 210mm is very good on digital also. The very best lens in this range is the Apo-El-Nikkor 210mm. This is an old lens and hard to get, but still the very best! Try E-Bay.
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: ctz on July 06, 2009, 03:32:22 pm: Quote from: henrikfoto
I have tried many lenses around 200mm. The Rhodenstock Apo Sironar S 210mm is very good on digital also. The very best lens in this range is the Apo-El-Nikkor 210mm. This is an old lens and hard to get, but still the very best! Try E-Bay.

thanks for advice.
i guess i'll take a look on e-bay, but probably i biased to buy new. the el nikkor looks to me like an elarger lens, am i wrong?
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: henrikfoto on July 06, 2009, 03:45:04 pm: Quote from: ctz
thanks for advice.
i guess i'll take a look on e-bay, but probably i biased to buy new. the el nikkor looks to me like an elarger lens, am i wrong?

Thats correct, but it is still much better than todays lenses..
Remember it´s not the El-Nikkor but Apo El-Nikkor.

Henrik
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on July 07, 2009, 01:17:03 am: Quote from: ctz
Hello

I deceided that I need to buy a longer tele lens for my view camera (a Sinar P2). I mainly use an 105mm digital Sironar from Rodenstock. Also used are a 55mm digital Rodenstock and a 150 APO SYMMAR, non digital version, but holding very well on digital. I also have an APO G-Claron 240/9, a very fine lens for macro range on 4X5 film, but with very, very poor results on my P45+.
Looking to the 200 mm region I guess there is not much to choose from: 210/5.6 Apo Digitar from Schneider and 180 Digital Sironar from Rodenstock.
Do anyone have something to say about these lenses?

Thanks in advance

c

You might want to ask yourself if you will be going 1:1 with subject.
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: neil snape on July 07, 2009, 02:09:50 am: I am not able to say with a MF back but I do use my Canon on my Sinar with the 180mm Macro Rodenstock non digital and it looks good to me. Hard to deny the quality on film from this lens, but I'm curious to know if the new digital lenses are that much better.
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: filmcapture on July 07, 2009, 02:43:27 am: Try a Nikon Nikkor-M 200mm or 300mm lens, they are amazing on my Phase One P25, even wide open. Here's a shot made by 300M with P25:

http://www.usvista.com/PK_3.jpg (http://www.usvista.com/PK_3.jpg)
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: E_Edwards on July 07, 2009, 06:54:10 am: Quote from: ctz
Looking to the 200 mm region I guess there is not much to choose from: 210/5.6 Apo Digitar from Schneider and 180 Digital Sironar from Rodenstock.
Do anyone have something to say about these lenses?

I've got the 180 Apo-Sironar Digital and it's good, as good as the other Digital lenses in the range of 100 to 180 really, though the Schneider 120 Macro Apo-digitar is probably the best lens of the lot by a twinkle, but I haven't found a bad lens amongst the Digital glass in either Rodenstock or Schneider.

I use the 180 a lot for my relatively close up work. A 210mm lens would be a touch too long for my taste.

Edward
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: neil snape on July 07, 2009, 07:03:17 am: Quote from: filmcapture
Try a Nikon Nikkor-M 200mm or 300mm lens, they are amazing on my Phase One P25, even wide open. Here's a shot made by 300M with P25:

http://www.usvista.com/PK_3.jpg (http://www.usvista.com/PK_3.jpg)

Nice I opened it in Photoshop and it looks great all around.

I used to have the Nikon 450 M which was always good for jewellery , even portraits if one didn't mind the sharpness.
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: ctz on July 07, 2009, 11:25:26 am: Quote from: Phil Indeblanc
You might want to ask yourself if you will be going 1:1 with subject.

i've already asked myself. i' ll mainly (90%) go in 1:5 to 1:10 range for a P45 "film" size.
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: ctz on July 07, 2009, 11:26:50 am: Quote from: neil snape
Nice I opened it in Photoshop and it looks great all around.

I used to have the Nikon 450 M which was always good for jewellery , even portraits if one didn't mind the sharpness.

I agree, I like it too.

ctz
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on July 07, 2009, 12:43:42 pm: Quote from: neil snape
Nice I opened it in Photoshop and it looks great all around.

I used to have the Nikon 450 M which was always good for jewellery , even portraits if one didn't mind the sharpness.

thats gotta be some major extension if you wanna fill the frame :-)
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on July 07, 2009, 12:58:13 pm: Quote from: filmcapture
Try a Nikon Nikkor-M 200mm or 300mm lens, they are amazing on my Phase One P25, even wide open. Here's a shot made by 300M with P25:

http://www.usvista.com/PK_3.jpg (http://www.usvista.com/PK_3.jpg)

What is that fruit called? It has slippery shiny seeds in it. I haven't had one in a long time :-)
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: filmcapture on July 08, 2009, 01:27:50 pm: Quote from: Phil Indeblanc
What is that fruit called? It has slippery shiny seeds in it. I haven't had one in a long time :-)

That's loquat. It's said it was originally from China. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat) )
Title: still life shooters: recommend a digital tele for product shots
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on July 09, 2009, 05:55:39 pm: Quote from: filmcapture
That's loquat. It's said it was originally from China. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat) )

interesting, never knew the name before.. thanks