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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: evgeny on December 31, 2008, 09:04:05 am

Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: evgeny on December 31, 2008, 09:04:05 am
When I shoot models tethered and walk in the studio the FireWire cable slips out from my 54M Sinarback.

What do you do to keep the cable permanently attached to your digital back?

Thank
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Evgeny
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: David WM on December 31, 2008, 09:24:44 am
I remember Kodak came up with a solution for this. I just googled Kodak strain relief and came up with this link.

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/pro...b/tib7087.jhtml (http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/professional/tib/tib7087.jhtml)

Maybe it is still available, or you can use the concept to make something up. When I had one of the early digital backs with a poor cable connection I used to have a flat piece of aluminium between the camera body and the tripod head which I shaped up behind the back to provide an anchor for the cable. A bit of a rough improvisation compared to the Kodak device, but it worked, though a bit unwieldly for hand held work .

David
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: Goodi on December 31, 2008, 09:27:19 am
Quote from: evgeny
When I shoot models tethered and walk in the studio the FireWire cable slips out from my 54M Sinarback.

What do you do to keep the cable permanently attached to your digital back?

Thank
--
Evgeny

I think there is a special cable availabe which you can fix at the 54M, but then you have the risk to damage the 54M in case that you are step on the cable.

Best regards
Michael
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: Doug Peterson on December 31, 2008, 09:29:53 am
Quote from: evgeny
When I shoot models tethered and walk in the studio the FireWire cable slips out from my 54M Sinarback.

What do you do to keep the cable permanently attached to your digital back?

Thank
--
Evgeny

I think you're letting the tail wag the dog.

Rather than come up with a fix for your existing cable I would look for another brand of firewire cable. They do not all have the same size of plastic/rubber wrapping around the male end.

The 15' firewire cable included with the Phase One digital back is very tight, and we sell a 33' firewire cable which we picked out of samples of a dozen brands/makes/models because it was reliable, but also because the end physically just fit into the Phase One back and therefore when fully inserted was rock-solid and not at all prone to being accidentally janked out.

Can any Sinar users comment on which cables they've found which fit tightly?

Doug Peterson,  Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One & Canon Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)  |  Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: evgeny on December 31, 2008, 10:25:58 am
Doug, I have three cables from different manufacturers. These cables slip out under pressure of their own weight when I walk.
These cables may not be fixed tight in the FireWire connector of the Sinarback 54M. My scanner, for example, has a similar FireWire connector, but the scanner doesn't move. I think a thin lightweight cable may help (mechanically), but I'm not sure if it is a good electric solution..
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: evgeny on December 31, 2008, 10:27:24 am
David, a cable Tie Strap looks interesting, I will think how to safely implement it with my Contax 645 / Sinarback 54M.
Thank.
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: Guy Mancuso on December 31, 2008, 11:13:47 am
I know my P25 Plus and the Firewire cable from Phase fits like a glove and fits really tight. Not sure if Sinar has a special cable but Granite Digital sells a lot of Firewire cables and maybe take a shot of the firewire port and send that to them and see if they can match the dimensions. Not sure but maybe worth a try. http://www.granitedigital.com/ (http://www.granitedigital.com/)
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: BJNY on December 31, 2008, 11:25:31 am
Evgeny,
Why not start simply
by wrapping the plastic plug part with a little [gaffers] tape
or even a small rubber band
to make the fit more snug?
Billy
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: Doug Peterson on December 31, 2008, 01:30:48 pm
Quote from: BJNY
Evgeny,
Why not start simply
by wrapping the plastic plug part with a little [gaffers] tape
or even a small rubber band
to make the fit more snug?
Billy

Freaking genius.

Making me feel dumb as developing an upside-down-writing-pen rather than a pencil.

That's a much better first pass solution.

Doug Peterson,  Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One & Canon Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)  |  Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)

Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: clawery on December 31, 2008, 01:40:05 pm
Quote from: dougpetersonci
Freaking genius.

Making me feel dumb as developing an upside-down-writing-pen rather than a pencil.

That's a much better first pass solution.

Doug Peterson,  Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One & Canon Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)  |  Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)


Depending on how fat the cables and ends are, try using heat shrink.  It is used by electricians to secure cables.  You simply slip it over the cables and then apply heat to it.
The heat shrink reduces in size to any cable / fitting.  It comes in several different sizes, but make sure the ends of your cables can slip over it.

Chris Lawery
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Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: DavidP on December 31, 2008, 01:52:38 pm
I might think about looping it around a little and attaching the cable to the camera somewhere about 8 inches or so from the end so if it does get yanked it won't damage the socket. I usually do that when it is on a mono pod or tripod so if someone trips it will just yank on the cable and not directly on the back.
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: BJNY on December 31, 2008, 01:53:26 pm
Very good, Chris.

for my colleagues who use Phase One,
Unibrain FireWire cables (red ends) fit very snugly into Phase One digital backs,
and are relatively inexpensive.
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: Guy Mancuso on December 31, 2008, 01:53:43 pm
Quote from: clawery
Depending on how fat the cables and ends are, try using heat shrink.  It is used by electricians to secure cables.  You simply slip it over the cables and then apply heat to it.
The heat shrink reduces in size to any cable / fitting.  It comes in several different sizes, but make sure the ends of your cables can slip over it.

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
[email protected]
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer of the Year (http://www.captureintegration.com)

877-217-9870 | National  Atlanta / Miami
404-234-5195 | Cell  
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Damn that is a brilliant idea.
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: Guy Mancuso on December 31, 2008, 01:54:21 pm
Quote from: BJNY
Very good, Chris.

for my colleagues who use Phase One,
Unibrain FireWire cables (red ends) fit very snugly into Phase One digital backs,
and are relatively inexpensive.


Thanks Billy very helpful.
Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: BJNY on December 31, 2008, 02:33:12 pm
By the way, Sinar's 5Meter & 10Meter FireWire400 cables are very popular
due to its most flexible sheath.
The 10Meter is pricey at about $250? but they stay flat to the floor,
so there's less chance of people tripping over.

Title: Cable slip out and digital back
Post by: evgeny on December 31, 2008, 02:55:12 pm
Thanks all !