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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: clawery on May 14, 2008, 10:11:21 am
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Capture One 4.1 was just released today. I had posted this in on another part of LL, but wanted to make sure all the MFDB users knew about it. Here is the link to download it:
http://www.phaseone.com/Content/Downloads/CO4.aspx (http://www.phaseone.com/Content/Downloads/CO4.aspx)
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Capture One 4.1 was just released today. I had posted this in on another part of LL, but wanted to make sure all the MFDB users knew about it. Here is the link to download it:
http://www.phaseone.com/Content/Downloads/CO4.aspx (http://www.phaseone.com/Content/Downloads/CO4.aspx)
Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
[email protected]
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer of the Year (http://www.captureintegration.com)
877-217-9870 | National
404-234-5195 | Cell
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Who cares... where is the PRO!!!
Just kidding I do care but where the heck is PRO for shooting tethered..
Phase One is really one of the most frustrating companies!!
They are WAY behind on a release!
Snook
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Initial thoughts (quick eh!)
1) first problem, preview doesn't look the same as when opened in photoshop, any ideas why?
2) I compared it to Lightroom conversions of a P21 file and it seems after looking at a couple of images quality of conversions is really good. There's a pleasant almost grain to the conversions whereas lightroom smears things a little (no extra noise reduction applied).
Sharper than lightroom, you can make a lightoom image appear sharp with extra unsharp mask but you can't get real sharpness back.
Less artifacts than lightroom, I used the lens preset thing which got rid of almost all CA which I couldn't do with lightrooms ca controls.
Less jaggies.
BUT. controls are so far behind lightroom, lightroom allows so much more finesse of individual colours.
So, you pays your money and you makes your choice.
Both good, both different.
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Newsflash - C1 4 Pro announced! Users of Lightroom5 and Aperture4 expressd moderate interest.
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Snook,
It looks like you can tether a Phase back with 4.1.
A questions: On a Mac, how do you de-install 4?
Thanks.
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Thanks John. I thought I could just save 4.1 over 4 but I foolishly read the release notes that said to uninstall 4 first.
C1 4 crashes on me once a day. It does so when I have made a change to an image or hit Process and then I quickly select the next image with the mouse. I start C1 4 up again and the changes are saved, but its disconcerting.
I hope they implement a lens correction tool that fixes pinsushion and barrel distortion. Maybe in C1 4.2 Pro?
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I'm currently at a Phase One dealer meeting in Chicago. I hope to get a good idea of when C1 4 Pro will be released.
Chris Lawery
Capture Integration
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Does anyone know why the preview colour doesn't match the exported image?
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I'm currently at a Phase One dealer meeting in Chicago. I hope to get a good idea of when C1 4 Pro will be released.
Chris Lawery
Capture Integration
(404)234-5195
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I was told at photokina... which means late summer.
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C1 4.1 is just another amateur version of C1, basically something to toy with but not bring it to work, in my humble opinion. When they are ready to show us a PRO program as good as pre-C1 4 (or better) then we can talk. It seams then that it will be in late summer then. Good.
On the other side, I definitively am planning to test drive it (C1 4.1)... until It annoys me...
thanks
I was told at photokina... which means late summer.
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Capture One 4.2 (Pro) should be released at Photokina. I'll post more soon. There are some cool new features.
Chris Lawery
Capture Integration
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Capture One 4.2 (Pro) should be released at Photokina. I'll post more soon. There are some cool new features.
Chris Lawery
Yikes dude, we have to wait another 4+ months? Ugh.....
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The list of problems with C1-4 is well known, but we can go back to it now that C1-4 PRO is near..
* Sessions - I think that they (Phase One) agree that Sessions as we know it is a desirable thing to have and that it will be back in C1-4 PRO, or I have the impression that it was what they said.
The way things are I don't know how to work in a non-sessions environment (I think I could find the way to do it, but what is the point? I rather wait for the PRO).
* The detail window - I have a fast computer at my studio, but in the field I have a slower portable. Focusing a smaller window --or a larger one if desired -- gives the photographer an option. Also you can have the small focus check window floating while adjusting things like curves, levels etc. I have no idea why they changed this. If this is the same (as C 1 4x) then it is big step backward.
* Icons to "show in finder" I want this back. Not so important since there are other ways to do it, but ...
* Text that is black (or grey) over black (or grey) background cannot be read. Pleas don't play games with photographers that have tired old eyes and are stressed for a million other reasons. It is not an imaginary problem, form should never intervene in the function of the machine.
* there are a lot of good features in C 1 4, like the way you copy and past attributes from one image to the next, that is good. Or how you can easily open several image for comparison.
* I want to see the lens correction program, that is positive too.
They are going to have their 15 minutes of attention when the release the program, if they refuse to listen to the users, there is an increasing line up of new raw converters getting better out there.... so, the ball is in Phase Ones side...
Capture One 4.2 (Pro) should be released at Photokina. I'll post more soon. There are some cool new features.
Chris Lawery
Capture Integration
[email protected]
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What is the lens correction in C1 4.1 doing? I tried the 45mm preset on a 45mm file and it seemed to sharpen it up without applying any usm type sharpening. How does it actually work?
Anyone? Bueller?
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Snook,
A questions: On a Mac, how do you de-install 4?
Thanks.
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Best
ChrisL
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For over a year now I've been using ACR instead of C1, the only exceptions have been when I'm shooting tethered and when developing iso800 files. So naturally the first thing I did with 4.1 was run an iso800 through it, and I must say I'm horrified, it does a terrible job. 3.8 is much, MUCH better. How disappointing.
EDIT: Ok, after playing around with it some more I got decent results, so "terrible" might be too harsh a word, but it does seem to smudge detail more than 3.8 to get the same results.
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For over a year now I've been using ACR instead of C1, the only exceptions have been when I'm shooting tethered and when developing iso800 files. So naturally the first thing I did with 4.1 was run an iso800 through it, and I must say I'm horrified, it does a terrible job. 3.8 is much, MUCH better. How disappointing.
EDIT: Ok, after playing around with it some more I got decent results, so "terrible" might be too harsh a word, but it does seem to smudge detail more than 3.8 to get the same results.
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I personally like the looks of V4 processing, especially in skin tones though I also find the noise reduction sliders to be very, very, very sensitive.
For the p21 at 800 iso it adds way too much luminance softness and makes it painterly, though if you dial it back it is as good if not better than 3.78
Not that I shoot or tether much at 800 iso, but the downside of 3.78 at higher iso is it's window previews as they do not apply much noise reduction so the file really looks awful until processed, which V4 seems to address.
Everything else I love about 3.78 (though it was a labor of love to learn the interface), but it's stability and ease of use in large multiple productions was worth it.
I'm hoping that when version 4.2 (what a silly name why not just name it V5 or just pro?) is released it's stable as that's more important on set than any other feature.
JR
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What are you guys thinking of image quality, for me when processing P21 files at ISO200 it's quite a step above Lightroom, it's just not as controllable.
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What are you guys thinking of image quality, for me when processing P21 files at ISO200 it's quite a step above Lightroom, it's just not as controllable.
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I think the color rendering is better than in lightroom and when opening shadows I see less or no ghosting around the edges, which I see a lot in lightroom.
I would like V4.whatever to have single color controls, like the orange, yellow, red, etc. of lightroom, though in lightroom orange is needed because everything I put in lightroom goes orange.
What I would love to see from any tethering/converting software is more of a modular process, like Leaf's old V8, where capture and viewing is just one process (which equates to fast and low power) and a second modual or software allows finish out work, ala lightroom, photoshop etc.
When you think about it, a lot of the work we do in photoshop could probably be done in the conversion process. I think that was/is the plan of lightroom/aperture and mabe even v4, but they need a lot more controls, like layers, movable dodging, burning, etc.
In other words you shoot the standard shot and to present the way you want it to go, open the second function, pull down your look and and there you have it, though it's somethng you don't have to run full time.
This allows you to make your own special effects film look and though the processing power on doing this at every frame in capture would probably make the software slow, if it was a seperate software suite, that ported over easily from the capture suite, it would have a lot of usefullness.
I think one of the downsides to showing a digital capture is what we initially see on screen is not close to where we are going to take the image in post.
It would be nice to develope some presets, (not just color correction) but real different looks like 8x10 polaroid, effected desaturated color channels, burning/dodging, that with a simple pull down menu could show a client and say, see this is close to where it will be at finish.
Just a thought.
JR
P.S. also Phase should bring the color editor back. It was kind of clunky in the way it named a profile, but when needed it was glorious.
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P.S. also Phase should bring the color editor back. It was kind of clunky in the way it named a profile, but when needed it was glorious.
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I was told that Color Editor will return in C1 4.2 Pro. It is a bit slow, but when you need it ... it rocks! You should also see styles, a vibrance tool, stitching, sessions, multiple monitor support and remote capture control (f-stop/ shutter speed) when Pro hits the streets.
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Anybody having issues with RGB conversion to jpeg? I'm finding mine underexposed and washed out.
Any ideas, or is it just me?
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ok, I downloaded 4.1 and tethered it to my AFD/P25 and works just fine. I like the new interface it gives you Exposure Evaluation with a very elegant histogram... you can shoot even if you are not at the Exposure interface -- you can be at "Histogram", "color", etc-- by pressing apple and k.
What I have yet to find is the lens correction tool....
where is it??
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Can you use the color editor in 3.78 and then apply the profiles in 4.1?
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ok, I downloaded 4.1 and tethered it to my AFD/P25 and works just fine. I like the new interface it gives you Exposure Evaluation with a very elegant histogram... you can shoot even if you are not at the Exposure interface -- you can be at "Histogram", "color", etc-- by pressing apple and k.
What I have yet to find is the lens correction tool....
where is it??
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Lens correction tool is under the color tab at the bottom. I'm still not sure what it does. It has three presets: 28mm, 35mm, and 45mm. It does something, I'm not sure what. I haven't had the time to really look at processed tiffs, but I will this weekend.
I do wish it corrected distortion like Flexcolor.
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Lens correction tool is under the color tab at the bottom. I'm still not sure what it does. It has three presets: 28mm, 35mm, and 45mm. It does something, I'm not sure what. I haven't had the time to really look at processed tiffs, but I will this weekend.
I do wish it corrected distortion like Flexcolor.
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Does it or will it ever have Full Screen capturing with just having the image and or one tool on screen? Or Dual screen capabilities??
Thanks for all the Information.
Do you find tethering faster,smoother, the same?? Thanks
Snook
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Does it or will it ever have Full Screen capturing with just having the image and or one tool on screen? Or Dual screen capabilities??
Thanks for all the Information.
Do you find tethering faster,smoother, the same?? Thanks
Snook
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You will get dual screen capabilities when the Pro version is released. I'm still testing different machines to see what speeds are like.
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I saw the lens correction tool, it is just two check marks in the color tab.
Two things regarding this.
I opened a file of captured images with my Mamiya AFD (I only use Mamiya AF lenses, 35,150,80 and 45mm) it reads: "UNSUPPORTED"
Since the lenses should be supported and are not being so, I can assume that the problem is because I captured with C1 3xx instead of C1 4 and the files are not backward compatible.
This is sad since It would be nice to go back and re-process images...
The other thing is that what I really need to correct in my lenses more than anything is BARREL distortion. Even the 80mm has some... so. Another sad development to see that it is not there and that who knows if it will ever be there.
Thing would be fantastic if we had barrel distortion made specific for Mamiya lenses, and ... while we are at it, PC correction.
Something like this: Edit>Transform>Skew
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I saw the lens correction tool, it is just two check marks in the color tab.
Two things regarding this.
I opened a file of captured images with my Mamiya AFD (I only use Mamiya AF lenses, 35,150,80 and 45mm) it reads: "UNSUPPORTED"
Since the lenses should be supported and are not being so, I can assume that the problem is because I captured with C1 3xx instead of C1 4 and the files are not backward compatible.
This is sad since It would be nice to go back and re-process images...
The other thing is that what I really need to correct in my lenses more than anything is BARREL distortion. Even the 80mm has some... so. Another sad development to see that it is not there and that who knows if it will ever be there.
Thing would be fantastic if we had barrel distortion made specific for Mamiya lenses, and ... while we are at it, PC correction.
Something like this: Edit>Transform>Skew
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I'll look at files shot teathered with version 3.X Thus far no "UNSUPPORTED" messages. I really only have one lens that suffers from bad CA, and that's the 150 3.5, and that is wide open. I'm concerned with barrel distortion myself and hope its in the Pro version. If not I'm going to switch to my RZ, as everything is nice and flat with those lenses.
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I'll look at files shot teathered with version 3.X Thus far no "UNSUPPORTED" messages. I really only have one lens that suffers from bad CA, and that's the 150 3.5, and that is wide open. I'm concerned with barrel distortion myself and hope its in the Pro version. If not I'm going to switch to my RZ, as everything is nice and flat with those lenses.
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You could take the RAW and place it into C1 4.1 and take out the CA. Currently the adjustments that you did in C1 3.7.8 don't transfer to C1 4.1. I tried the new Phase One camera with the Mamiya 28 mm and it really did take care of CA on the edges using C1 4.1. I've heard about the barrel distortion, but have not seen it at work yet.
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You could take the RAW and place it into C1 4.1 and take out the CA. Currently the adjustments that you did in C1 3.7.8 don't transfer to C1 4.1. I tried the new Phase One camera with the Mamiya 28 mm and it really did take care of CA on the edges using C1 4.1. I've heard about the barrel distortion, but have not seen it at work yet.
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Chris,
I take it that distortion correction is in the pipeline? That would be awesome. Really.
And yes, C1 4.1 really, really cleans up CA. Very impressive.
I am still impressed with the speed of processing. I was shooting tethered in C1 3.7. I processed a few P30 files and couldn't believe how slow 3.7 is compared to C1 4.