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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: PdF on March 28, 2008, 10:44:14 am
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Sinar find the way to re-convert the m: a new top 28mm is available for this camera or for the P3. No information about the ranges of shifting (with the P3).
From the "Sinar News":
We are pleased to inform you that a new lens is available for the Sinar m: it is the Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 EF.
Its optical parts are identical with the other well proven and best renowned Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 lenses, which are also available in the Sinar p3 compatible versions CAB, CMV, and CPL. The powerful lens with an angle of view of more than 100° resolves at least 60 pairs of lines at the edge of the image circle and well over 100 in the center. The maximal image distortion is less than 0.5%, and a color aberration does practically not exist.
The lens with an aperture range of f4.5 to f32 needs no own shutter since the Sinar m has one with exposure times of up to 1/2000 second. The lens can manually be focused from 1.0 m to infinity, and is ideally suited for outdoor photography. A rangefinder with a rotating format mask is included with the lens.
Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 EF: Simply the best lens of its class.
PdF
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I wonder if they'll make this lens to fit the Hy6?
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I'm wondering if I could mount it in a Rollei Shutter? Looks really nice!
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Very good news for Sinar-M users. Now the M-System looks almost complete. Even less reasons for me to buy a view camera (P-3) for copying work.
Still no side battery grip with the flash interface promised about a year ago.
Yevgeny
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I've not been fast enough, in this case!
News are going through censorship in this part of the world, before I get the Sinar News.
More seriously, this is the well-known 28 mm HR lens which is already available for the p3 system, in CMV, CPL and CAB mounts.
In this case, for the Sinar m, it is mounted as a CAB (control of aperture and exposure time possible through software).
Best regards,
Thierry
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The first units of this side battery are going in production next week and should be available in April.
Thierry
Still no side battery grip with the flash interface promised about a year ago.
Yevgeny
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Dear Thirry,
Thank you very much for the information. I will contact the Russian dealer next week to order the lens and the side grip.
Kind regards,
Yevgeny
The first units of this side battery are going in production next week and should be available in April.
Thierry
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Looks like Sinar and F&H are very active in the next few weeks delivering eXposure + rotating interface, and 90º finder + 50mm lens.
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good news , i did not expect this .....
as owner of the 28HR i know how good this lens is.
any images of the sidegrip?
its unpractical for the M that the old battery is so huge.
if the camera becomes more "handy" with the sidegrip its great for it.
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- Revolving Adapter for Sinar Hy6: released
- Sinar eXposure SW: release next week, possibly Tuesday
- 50mm AFD lens: possibly released the second week of April
- 90° Finder for Sinar Hy6: release mid or end of April
best regards,
Thierry
Looks like Sinar and F&H are very active in the next few weeks delivering eXposure + rotating interface, and 90º finder + 50mm lens.
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Sinar find the way to re-convert the m: a new top 28mm is available for this camera or for the P3. No information about the ranges of shifting (with the P3).
From the "Sinar News":
We are pleased to inform you that a new lens is available for the Sinar m: it is the Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 EF.
Its optical parts are identical with the other well proven and best renowned Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 lenses, which are also available in the Sinar p3 compatible versions CAB, CMV, and CPL. The powerful lens with an angle of view of more than 100° resolves at least 60 pairs of lines at the edge of the image circle and well over 100 in the center. The maximal image distortion is less than 0.5%, and a color aberration does practically not exist.
The lens with an aperture range of f4.5 to f32 needs no own shutter since the Sinar m has one with exposure times of up to 1/2000 second. The lens can manually be focused from 1.0 m to infinity, and is ideally suited for outdoor photography. A rangefinder with a rotating format mask is included with the lens.
Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 EF: Simply the best lens of its class.
PdF
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SO Does this lens fit the M and the P3 or do you need to buy two one for walkabout and on view camera fitting ?
I assume changing between a HY6 and M with ones digiback still means unscrewing the DBack adapter plate with associated risks and time impediment
I assume using the lens on the M offers no movements up or down
So still better to buy an ALPA than an M I woulod imagine for wide restricted HY6 users
Sinar IMO would have been better off investing thier effort ina makeing a mini alpa style camera with a HY6 mount rahter than producing the lens of thier scone system
And the cost..?
Focus confirmation ?
It does look cool for the multiback millionaire photographer though
S
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I'm still wondering about mounting it in a Rollei shutter so that I can use it on my P2 camera.
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Really nice
Thierry, can you organize a bigger picture of the lens/m, please?
Christopher
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I'm still wondering about mounting it in a Rollei shutter so that I can use it on my P2 camera.
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[a href=\"http://www.linos.com/pages/mediabase/original/A-Sir_dig_HR_28_Neuh_2006_e_5758.pdf]Rodenstock HR 28mm[/url]
Physically it can be mounted on any view camera, realistically I don't think you'll be able to get even focus across the frame on your P2 and you will need a fairly recessed lens board.
Yair
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It is interesting that I "predicte" this in a post the other day, Sinar could easily adapt a "view camera" non retrofocus 28mm to be used alongside the Hy6 and problem solved.
Now if this is a system with different back mount then they have a problem.
There are a lot of new solutions for digital backs coming as if manufacturers realized that film will not be here for long -- if it is not already almost obsolete -- and are coming out with systems that are not hybrid of film and digital, but more committed to digital back. Cambo has at least two new models and Alpa.
The other factor is cost, and there will soon be companies like the Chinese Widepan doing a "chinese Alpa"...
But this is a good development for Sinar, now it would be nice to see some more larger images...
Sinar find the way to re-convert the m: a new top 28mm is available for this camera or for the P3. No information about the ranges of shifting (with the P3).
From the "Sinar News":
We are pleased to inform you that a new lens is available for the Sinar m: it is the Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 EF.
Its optical parts are identical with the other well proven and best renowned Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 lenses, which are also available in the Sinar p3 compatible versions CAB, CMV, and CPL. The powerful lens with an angle of view of more than 100° resolves at least 60 pairs of lines at the edge of the image circle and well over 100 in the center. The maximal image distortion is less than 0.5%, and a color aberration does practically not exist.
The lens with an aperture range of f4.5 to f32 needs no own shutter since the Sinar m has one with exposure times of up to 1/2000 second. The lens can manually be focused from 1.0 m to infinity, and is ideally suited for outdoor photography. A rangefinder with a rotating format mask is included with the lens.
Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 EF: Simply the best lens of its class.
PdF
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Q:>>. A rangefinder with a rotating format mask is included with the lens.>>
Is this a rangefinder or an optical viewfinder without parallax correction (as the one on an ALPA)?
Or it is the language barrier again and I am asking a silly question?
Yevgeny
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Q:>>. A rangefinder with a rotating format mask is included with the lens.>>
Is this a rangefinder or an optical viewfinder without parallax correction (as the one on an ALPA)?
Or it is the language barrier again and I am asking a silly question?
Yevgeny
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the viewfinder is without parallax correction. but its big and bright, similar than the alpa finder.
i just mounted the 28Hr on my M and it is amazing how light the camera is now ( i hope the sidegrip will come soon ).
from the largest mf camera to the smallest .... thats really a big jump.
before i didnt liked to carry around the M for its weigth and size, but now everything becomes different as it seems.
without the mirror module and the big battery the M is very small, together with the
best 28mm wideangle this camera system becomes great ....
fantastic landscape and "walk- around" camera now. did not expected this move ...
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Rainer, would you show us a snapshot of what you're talking about, please?
Billy
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Rainer, would you show us a snapshot of what you're talking about, please?
Billy
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yes i will do. after sleeping ....
anyway i cant show much more than PDF did already at the top of the treat, because thats how the camera looks like.( and i still didnt got the sidegrip ). do you want to see some detail?
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Always nice to see new digital adaptations like this version of the Rodenstock lens for the Sinar M.
Though slightly off topic, it has always been something of a mystery to me how Cambo, and especially Alpa, got the "jump" on Sinar with the shifting "plate" type camera bodies when Sinar had their 4x5 Handy model so many years ago. They just never continued to update and mature the concept to accommodate today's ever shorter digital wide angle lenses.
"tis a puzzlement"
Joe
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hi Joe,
When the Sinar Handy was discontinued, begin of the 90's, Sinar was starting to intensively be involved in digital, with all manpower, capacities and forces or efforts concentrated and put in this sector. It is not so much a puzzle, knowing this, that the Handy was not "updated" further. It was a question of choices to take, to be able to be a "player" in the digital field right from the beginning.
However, this does not mean that Sinar will not longer and never again concentrate on its initial and original strength, building cameras.
Best regards,
Thierry
... Sinar had their 4x5 Handy model so many years ago. They just never continued to update and mature the concept to accommodate today's ever shorter digital wide angle lenses.
"tis a puzzlement"
Joe
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hi Joe,
When the Sinar Handy was discontinued, begin of the 90's, Sinar was starting to intensively be involved in digital, with all manpower, capacities and forces or efforts concentrated and put in this sector. It is not so much a puzzle, knowing this, that the Handy was not "updated" further. It was a question of choices to take, to be able to be a "player" in the digital field right from the beginning.
However, this does not mean that Sinar will not longer and never again concentrate on its initial and original strength, building cameras.
Best regards,
Thierry
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That's very good, indeed. The big problem of Sinar is the combination of the pieces of pieces of puzzles coming from different boxes, and with various sizes.
PdF
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Here some more information concerning this new Sinar m lens:
Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 EF
Its optical parts are identical with the other well proven and best renowned
Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 lenses, which are also available in the Sinar p3 compatible versions CAB, CMV, and CPL.
The powerful lens with an angle of view of more than 100° resolves at least 60 pairs of lines at the edge of the image circle and well over 100 in the center. The maximal image distortion is less than 0.5%, and a color aberration does practically not exist.
The lens with an aperture range of f4.5 to f32 needs no own shutter since the Sinar m has one with exposure times of up to 1/2000 second.
It can be focused manually from 1.0 m to infinity, and is ideally suited for outdoor photography.
A rangefinder with a diopters correction and a format mask are included with the lens.
Although mainly conceived for photography at infinity, of course, the Sinaron Digital HR 4.5/28 EF can also be used for studio photography.
For best live image performance the Sinar LC Shutter can be plugged in the respective socket at the lens. The lens also allows for complete remote control from Sinar CaptureShop™ (except with Sinarback eMotion).
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... but it's also one of its big advantages, that all these puzzle pieces can be used with different configurations: the well-known modular system which is the base of Sinar's success. You simply can adapt each piece and built-up the camera of your needs.
Best regards,
Thierry
That's very good, indeed. The big problem of Sinar is the combination of the pieces of pieces of puzzles coming from different boxes, and with various sizes.
PdF
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