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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: H1/A75 Guy on October 23, 2007, 06:35:47 pm
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Hi Yair,
I thought it would be a good time to shuttle you off io the back room, open some cheap wine, and have a private discussion about Leaf. I have a couple of questions, if you have any thoughts:
1) Will we ever be able to open an AFi lossless MOS file directly in LC11 without the additional step of the Leaf Raw Converter? That is one reason I never upgraded to an A75s notwithstanding the fact I don't always need a back that cycles faster than my flash.
2) Will there ever be a single battery grip solution for the AFi?
3) I understand Leaf uses shooters who provide testimonials on the Leaf website. Would it be possible for Leaf to get a loaner Afi into the hands of a Leaf user on the LL forum (such as Andre Napier) so the rest of us can ask real questions about the Afi?
4) What do you want me to do with this H and all this glass?
Thanks!
David
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Hi Yair,
I thought it would be a good time to shuttle you off io the back room, open some cheap wine, and have a private discussion about Leaf. I have a couple of questions, if you have any thoughts:
1) Will we ever be able to open an AFi lossless MOS file directly in LC11 without the additional step of the Leaf Raw Converter? That is one reason I never upgraded to an A75s notwithstanding the fact I don't always need a back that cycles faster than my flash.
2) Will there ever be a single battery grip solution for the AFi?
3) I understand Leaf uses shooters who provide testimonials on the Leaf website. Would it be possible for Leaf to get a loaner Afi into the hands of a Leaf user on the LL forum (such as Andre Napier) so the rest of us can ask real questions about the Afi?
4) What do you want me to do with this H and all this glass?
Thanks!
David
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As John indicates, the .mos files open in in LC11 without running them through the Converter.
Regarding AFi battery grip, right now the AFi grip will power the camera and the Aptus - you can still put a battery on the Aptus, that will just ensure longer run time.
Steve Hendrix
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Thanks John and Steve. I was under the impression that lossless files in the A75s and all 's' series backs would not open immediately in LC11. I'm happy to be wrong on that point. Thanks for the clarification on the Afi battery grip that will also operate the back. It would still be nice to get the AFi in the hands of a working pro to report to others here who are not as fortunate as I to live a couple miles from a Leaf dealer. Just a side note, I have never seen a Sinar back. Up until 2 years ago my dealer had been carrying Sinar/Bron for the preceeding 30 years. The Sinar/Bron representative at the time started sending the store owner form letters instead of making personal phone calls. That was enough to have the store owner stop handling Sinar/Bron on anything other than a special order basis. He had given up on Phase long before that for reliability issues in the early days. Hopefully Leaf will make an effort to stay in personal contact with their dealers.
David
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Thank you John and Steve for manning the wheel while I was playing sleeping beauty:-)
1. Lossless files can go straight into Lc11, this was always the case since we started using that format
2. As Steve suggested, the battery in the grip provides power to both the camera and back.
3. This is a good idea. Obviously it depends on requests and allocations between the various regions in the world.
As for sending form letter....at least I can say that most of my dealers unfortunately have to see me 1-2 times a week and hear me 1-2 times a day.
BR
Yair
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How about topic nr. 4?
There are a lot of people using the H, I guess you aren't aiming solely for new-comers to MF. How do you guys plan to get them to drop the H and go for the Afi?
What do you expect them to do with the H? You expect people to ditch them on the second hand market or is there some brilliant masterplan?
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This is good news indeed, regarding the battery.
On the other side, my experience in the field using the Aptus 75, is that the battery runs flat before you know it. If it's cold outside the battery sometimes just lasts for a couple of minutes. Because of this I find myself carrying batteries inside my jacket to keep them warm, and I find it a bit impractical to fish batteries out of my jacket each time something interesting grabs my attention. (And yes, I turn off the back as soon as it's not in use.)
So, do you have plans for a bettery in the league of for instance Canon's 1- series batteries, which just seem to last forever?
I must say, coming from a 1Ds MkII, the world of MF shooting seem to draw a whole lot more attention away from shoothing because of handling issues, battery trouble, error messages etc. (Mamiya/Leaf combo.) Hopefully the AFi will prove to be a good match to Canons 1Ds, with regards to handling and intergration. Hopefully the battery capasity/type will improve in the near future.
Yair, perhaps you could also update us somewhat on the 35mm lens? When do you expect it to be released, and will we be able to use filters on it?
Thanks,
Rune Molnes
Thank you John and Steve for manning the wheel while I was playing sleeping beauty:-)
1. Lossless files can go straight into Lc11, this was always the case since we started using that format
2. As Steve suggested, the battery in the grip provides power to both the camera and back.
3. This is a good idea. Obviously it depends on requests and allocations between the various regions in the world.
As for sending form letter....at least I can say that most of my dealers unfortunately have to see me 1-2 times a week and hear me 1-2 times a day.
BR
Yair
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3. This is a good idea. Obviously it depends on requests and allocations between the various regions in the world.
Yair
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Thanks Yair,
Could you get in touch with the East Coast Rep and ask him (allocation available, of course) if he could get a demo AFi to Andre Napier for a week or two? Nobody has put me up to this, least of all Andre, and althogh Napier is a bit of a rebel, all the bloks on LL listen to him and he does use that WLF. A short hands-on review by Andre would be good for Leaf and all the folks who are active or lurking on LL. I'm sure others on the LL forum would agree with me.
David
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David,
I am flatter with your idea. Anyways I personally plan to try AFI on my own. I can put my business Amex to guaranty the assets. I very much look forward to use a system with Rollei lenses on it.
Folks from RG should remember that about two years ago I put P25 on Rollei even thought most think it was impossible. We used old H20 housing and machine it to accept new back. In long run it was a too messy to enjoy, but I tried. I personally do not own any Rollei lenses now but should be able to locate some soon.
Andre
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As John indicates, the .mos files open in in LC11 without running them through the Converter.
Regarding AFi battery grip, right now the AFi grip will power the camera and the Aptus - you can still put a battery on the Aptus, that will just ensure longer run time.
Steve Hendrix
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I have asked few or more times about the battery design/relocation/workaround because the battery sticking out of a good looking DB such as Leaf just doesn't look good and it's not practical period.
So, Steve !!!Thanks for the alternative!!!
Do you sell LEAF DBs? I would be interested in NEW A22 or A65s, but the price difference will decide so I'll wait for your answer.
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Natasa one of the reasons for the external battery is to allow the use of larger capacity cells, which many people find handy in remote locations.
It also helps in dissipating heat since it does not play as a large, thick heat capacitor inside the back.
Yair
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A battery on the Aptus digital back also keeps it powered up when taken off the AFi camera body to switch between landscape and portrait orientations.
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A battery on the Aptus digital back also keeps it powered up when taken off the AFi camera body to switch between landscape and portrait orientations.
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Yair,
Can you give us status on the AFi (Back to Body) Rotating Adaptor Plate?
David
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Hi,
About the batteries.
The Leaf original batteries are indeed somewhat weak and empty rather quick.
I bought some third party batteries for I believe 30.00 Euros.
today I drove arround LA and walked arround downtown, I have had the leaf powered on the complete day.
Shot arround 180 shots and probarbly 5 hours on time.
The battery is still on 75%
I was afraid to run out of power so I bought 3 Leaf and 3 third party batteries, but to be honest with 3 third party ones I cannot imagine to run out
I must admit that it's very warm here at the moment, in the 110 F.
But also to add I'm not used to this temperature in Holland it's always cold so I don't know how it will work in cold weather (will know when I'm back).
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Yair,
Can you give us status on the AFi (Back to Body) Rotating Adaptor Plate?
David
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We are working on a solution that will allow to switch between horizontal and vertical capture. However at this point I cannot give any timeframe for it.
Yair
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We are working on a solution that will allow to switch between horizontal and vertical capture. However at this point I cannot give any timeframe for it.
Yair
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The basic back will allow mounting in both orientation (with removal) ??
You mean a 'rotating ' adapter in uynder construction (no removal)
S
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Currently the back rotates by taking it off and re-mounting it, similar to how it works on a V-Series Blad
The future solution will not require a removal of the back for changing capture orientation.
Yair
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Frank,
Would you post a link to a source for the 3rd party batteries?
Yair,
Any sugestion as to the brand and specs for compatibility?
Thank you.
Hi,
About the batteries.
The Leaf original batteries are indeed somewhat weak and empty rather quick.
I bought some third party batteries for I believe 30.00 Euros.
today I drove arround LA and walked arround downtown, I have had the leaf powered on the complete day.
Shot arround 180 shots and probarbly 5 hours on time.
The battery is still on 75%
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today I drove arround LA and walked arround downtown, I have had the leaf powered on the complete day.
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Are you walking alone? Take care with your expensive camera!
Bernd
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I bought them in the Netherlands but they are sold everywhere, it's a standard battery see your manual and you can see the highpowered numbers.
Somehow the Canon with the 70-200 IS L f2.8 draws more attention than the big, old fashioned () Mamiya.
He man, they make digital now a days (whisper, look at that sucker with that old camera).
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Frank,
Would you post a link to a source for the 3rd party batteries?
Yair,
Any sugestion as to the brand and specs for compatibility?
Thank you.
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Here is a link to the battery that fits into the Leaf Digital Magazine, it costs about 12 Euro. I own them, no problems.
[a href=\"http://www.afterbuy.de/afterbuy/shop/storefront/start.aspx?seite=/afterbuy/shop/storefront/produkt.aspx%3Fshopid%3D12788%26produktid%3D1172401]http://www.afterbuy.de/afterbuy/shop/store...uktid%3D1172401[/url]
Here a link to the batteries that fit right onto the Aptus, no problems neither, I own 4 of them. Each is 11 Euro.
http://www.afterbuy.de/afterbuy/shop/store...uktID%3D1276914 (http://www.afterbuy.de/afterbuy/shop/storefront/start.aspx?seite=/afterbuy/shop/storefront/produkt.aspx%3Fshopid%3D12788%26ProduktID%3D1276914)
Attached is a shot of the latest PDF from the Leaf Website, where the third party battery specs are written.
Best regards from Cologne,
Clem
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Thank you, Clem.
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Any timeline on the release of the new camera. Will there be any pre-order specials and also when will the upgarde policy be announced for current aptus back holders.
Also will the initial release also include the release of the prism finder?
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Any timeline on the release of the new camera. Will there be any pre-order specials and also when will the upgarde policy be announced for current aptus back holders.
Also will the initial release also include the release of the prism finder?
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I went to the northern California opening debut for the Leaf AFi, today. It was well attended. Everyone got an opportunity for a hands-on shoot with an early productuion model AFi7. Evidently the Leaf is in 'full' production, now. The attached pic shows the model shooting the AFi7, with the photog's assistant as model, photog to the left, and others around the 'tethered' computer. The Afi7 felt very light and comfortable with 80mm lens. The focus was quick, accurate, and very rapid fire, with the same wonderful, sharp Leaf files that Leafers like. Some of the dis-information I can recall. There was no available promotional AFi pricing at this time. The Leaf sales team did meet last week and it does have a promotion that will be forthcoming and will last a few months. Offering to trade in other camera systems or 'old' backs is not on the table and will not be a part of any forthcoming AFi promotion. AFi's will be released to the public in December, perhaps January, at the latest. Leaf is currently still working on a 90 degree prism Finder, including a 45 degree Prism Finder. The AFi is the only camera offering with a single battery that will operate the entire camera from the grip alone. And it is the only camera that uses the same battery to power the camera from the grip and the back (for extra battery time), when needed. A histogram presentation in the battery grip LCD will be available in an upcoming firmware revision. The camera back fits solidly into the camera with 4 very effective guide-pins. Taking the back on and off is a very deliberate operation as the button requires fairly heavy pressure to press and slide forward. It is effective and will prevent inadvertant pressing and dropping of the back. It is significantly slower than revolving my current H1/A75 in it's Custom L- Bracket. Nice unit though. I want one! The Leaf representatives were very helpul and seemed very willing to allow serious customers use their demo units for field testing.
So, keeping in mind that 'those that know do not say', and 'those that say, do not know'. I should be off the hook for anything I just said!
David