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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: John Hollenberg on January 27, 2021, 10:34:22 pm
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https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-gfx-100s-initial-review
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I can remember buying a Nikon d3x for that money in 2009. It was the first 24MP DSLR.
It had an excellent 160 asa but over 400asa became too noisy. no video, no liveview, no stabilizer.
Digital has come a long way!
Phase One will not be happy as will some folks that just bought the original GFX100.
The formfactor of this GFX100s is much better and will serve better as a rotating digital back on Cambo etc..
I would say the pixel race is over - now we can focus on other stuff.
That brings me to the question; How good are the GF optics? compared to Hasselblad and Scheider Phase one?
and quality control wise.
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Having gotten the GFX100 a few months ago, I'm not happy about this price drop. Would have been much happier at the $7,500-$8k level, but oh well. I really want to know what pre-sale numbers are like - part of the $6k is about undercutting the Sony camera, but they didn't have to. It leaves no room for discounts for a while.
I've had good experiences with the GF glass so far, and the 17mm Venus is just a fun lens. Planning to play with a supertele Canon lens soon - because I want to push the limit.
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GF glass is excellent but not great I find. Still, they are fine with 102mp and are totally suitable for demanding applications of course.
The best P1 Schneider lenses are significantly better and so are a majority of Z lenses.
I find the S 85mm f1.8 in particular more appealing than the Fuji 110mm f2.0 for example.
The Fuji 23mm, 32-64mm, 45mm, 120 macro (probably the sharpest, this one is clearly P1 level) and 250mm are my favorite.
I don’t have experience with X1D lenses but various elements lead me to think they are overall better than G glass. G glass has many zooms though that increase significantly flexibility though.
Cheers,
Bernard
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I would say the pixel race is over - now we can focus on other stuff.
Yup. Now it's a matter of bringing prices down and shrinking the size as much as possible.
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Jeremy, please forgive the lack of description of the link below, but to do so would kind of ruin the point. GFX 100S related.
https://youtu.be/z35eiJ8eFmE
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Jeremy, please forgive the lack of description of the link below, but to do so would kind of ruin the point. GFX 100S related.
https://youtu.be/z35eiJ8eFmE
;)
Forgiven. It's quite amusing. Kevin had a link to it on his site.
Jeremy
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I read at some places ( Jim Kasson and Diglloyd) about PDAF banding with this 102MP sensor.
Is that a real world problem or more academical?
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Yet to see it within the use of the GFX100 in my photography. Even with a 3 to 3.5 stop push.
I am sure based on the posts it can be reproduced but IMO not in practical photographic use.
Paul C
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Same here, not a real issue in my book.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Really hope that the same CMOS sensor can be used on digital backs ASAP!
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I read at some places ( Jim Kasson and Diglloyd) about PDAF banding with this 102MP sensor.
Is that a real world problem or more academical?
The problem is real, but it has not bothered many. The consequence is that it makes no sense to shoot in 16-bit mode.
I have not seen any of my GFX100 files spoiled by banding ... yet. It does bother me a bit knowing that it is there.
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The problem is real, but it has not bothered many. The consequence is that it makes no sense to shoot in 16-bit mode.
I have not seen any of my GFX100 files spoiled by banding ... yet. It does bother me a bit knowing that it is there.
It’s not an issue showing up with all cameras equiped with on sensor AF so need to check if it’s still there on the 100s.
It used to be visible in extreme situations on the Z7 but has been corrected on the Z7II.
Cheers,
Bernard
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The whole banding issue may have been resolved by Fuji with one of the firmware updates for the GFX100. Fuji rumors reported on this a few days ago. He is very tight with Fuji and most of not of his rumors tend to be fact.
Paul C
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The whole banding issue may have been resolved by Fuji with one of the firmware updates for the GFX100. Fuji rumors reported on this a few days ago. He is very tight with Fuji and most of not of his rumors tend to be fact.
Paul C
Oh no ... that could be terrible news for my wallet! I downloaded the original GFX100 files from DPR and worked them over some time ago and felt there was a chance I'd see banding in post on some of my work. I could have rented to test real world but never got around to it.
So hearing that Fuji may have taken care of this on both versions is something I'll need to look at again once raws are available.
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The whole banding issue may have been resolved by Fuji with one of the firmware updates for the GFX100. Fuji rumors reported on this a few days ago. He is very tight with Fuji and most of not of his rumors tend to be fact.
Paul C
I do not think that the banding fix for GFX100 has been implemented yet. At least, Jim Kasson is not aware of it.
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Either way I never found the issue to be an issue. It only seemed to show up when the files were pushed past 3.5 stops of exposure. I tested this quite a while on my GFX100 and never could see the banding even in areas of sky where it seemed to be the most easily found. As I never plan to push a file that far since bracketing is so easy on the GFX100 I quit looking or testing for the issue.
Ir will be interesting to see what all the testing of the 100s shows on this issue.
Paul C
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Either way I never found the issue to be an issue. It only seemed to show up when the files were pushed past 3.5 stops of exposure. I tested this quite a while on my GFX100 and never could see the banding even in areas of sky where it seemed to be the most easily found. As I never plan to push a file that far since bracketing is so easy on the GFX100 I quit looking or testing for the issue.
Ir will be interesting to see what all the testing of the 100s shows on this issue.
Paul C
I agree that it is seldom an issue, at least I have never encountered it in my GFX100 images.
First reports (artificially underexposed images) indicate that GFX100s does not have banding.
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51020936657_2331938ea7_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51020108863_0ff7b73464_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51020837501_812157a15e_h.jpg)
GFX100s
Cheers,
Bernard
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OOh nice. I can't wait to get ours.
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With all respect; i really cannot see any difference in web images between DX, FF and MF;
For me it is a matter of 1 meter or 2 meter wide prints, to see the difference, that is all.
So many excellent lenses nowadays, regardless the size of the sensor.
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I'm seriously looking at this camera. What are my options to be able to still use my Nikon glass with this camera? ( i.e Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8G )
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I'm seriously looking at this camera. What are my options to be able to still use my Nikon glass with this camera? ( i.e Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8G )
You can buy an adapter for Nikon DSLR lenses. They may or may not cover the entire sensor without vignetting. Different adapters will work better (or not) with electronic contacts and autofocus/aperture. I don't shoot Nikon so I have not tried any of them.
The only lens I adapt any more is an old 50mm Canon f/1.4 FD SSC from around 1971. It vignettes pretty hard, so I shoot in square format. It shoots horribly defective photos, which is why I like it. :) I gave up trying to adapt modern Canon lenses, and just got Fuji GFX lenses. They are excellent.
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Either way I never found the issue to be an issue. It only seemed to show up when the files were pushed past 3.5 stops of exposure. I tested this quite a while on my GFX100 and never could see the banding even in areas of sky where it seemed to be the most easily found. As I never plan to push a file that far since bracketing is so easy on the GFX100 I quit looking or testing for the issue.
Ir will be interesting to see what all the testing of the 100s shows on this issue.
Paul C
DP Review posted some new images from the GFX100S which included Raws in their test photo gallery (was only jpgs before). I downloaded a few of the images with deep shadows and pushed the exposure by +5EV. This took the shadows up to close to mid range. Absolutely no sign of PDF banding. Using the shadows slider (instead of Exposure) at 100% same thing.
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With all respect; i really cannot see any difference in web images between DX, FF and MF;
For me it is a matter of 1 meter or 2 meter wide prints, to see the difference, that is all.
So many excellent lenses nowadays, regardless the size of the sensor.
Agreed. What may be visible at web size is the look or bokeh, the transition from sharp to oof as well as LoCA or other forms of color aberration.
But I find these threads without any image a bit lifeless.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Agreed. Too many folks push so far beyond what "good" photography practices are and will never ask of a camera. Expose like you give a flip about what you are doing and gently use HDR to stretch dynamic range, not a slider, and be happy.
Like driving a Bentley Continental GT into a telephone pole and bitching that the car bent instead of the telephone pole!
jb
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I'm going to ask a question here,
I think Fuji will kill 32/64 it lost its meaning after the 45/100 that was launched 3 years later.
I believe that Fuji will launch something between 20mm and 45mm to cover and end up with 32/64.
I am thinking after 20 years with Nikon, I have already sold 22 more lenses than more than 40 lenses that I had in the Nikon system. (only had Primes lenses, up to 400mm 2.8)
I want with fuji 100s to have only 2 or 3 lenses, I thought about the 30mm 45/100 and maybe a macro 120.
What is your opinion ?
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Just had my first weekend with mine, it's my first Fuji, I got it with the 32/64 to start out.
The hype is real, it's simply sensational, I've shot the H system and the Phase/Mamiya rigs a lot for work, and this suits me so much better. The quality looks really strong.
I love shooting panoramas for large prints, here's one, a detail at 100%, no sharpening, and 300% with a little sharpening.